VH1 s**ts on The Beach Boys

[hypehat]

The people who are saying Michael Jackson didn't deserve to be near the top of the list (or isn't very talented), come on. I'm not even a huge fan (I have Off the Wall and some Jackson 5 stuff), but that man was talented and a great entertainer. Amazing voice. Go and listen to Who's Loving You by the Jackson 5. He was 12 or so, and he sounds incredible. Watch him dance sometime.

Testify. Michael Jackson, despite being a mess personally, was a hell of a pop star.

[Mike's Beard]

But could he do THE CHICKEN DANCE! 

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

In response to Mike's Beard: ..

"Nirvana. They weren't responsible for the demise of Color Me Crap, more they helped make groups such as Guns n Roses and Motley Crue unhip overnight. I still maintain that if it had been Eddie Vedder who'd put a gun in his mouth, than it would have been he who was elevated to the Gen X figurehead position (he was infact the music press's first choice as posterboy but wouldn't play ball) and it would be Pearl Jam making these lists. When Curt died Nirvana went from 'one of the big alt rock bands' to 'THE' alt rock band."

I have to disagree with the part about Nirvana making Guns N Roses unhip overnight: though when it comes to Poison, you're dead right! .... From where I was at that time, Guns N Roses certainly did  A LOT of pre-Nirvana damage to the reigning hair bands. They brought back a great deal of the seediness of rock n roll that had, frankly been gone a long long time. They also showed that you could be a mainstream hit-making metal band and NOT have big teased hair, and that was a huge blow to all those clowns. If anything Guns N Roses swiftly made themselves unhip. First by the great tight but loose n creative rock n roll drummer Steve Adler being fired and replaced by boring "dum dum duh-duh-dum" Matt Sorum, then Axl's all-consuming Elton John obsession: stupid overblown videos: releasing two albums at the same time (Use Your Illusion 1 n 2) and the systematic firing/quiting spree of all the original GnR members other than Rose.... I think this scenario was a big blow to mainstream metal in and of itself in that the biggest band of the time (metal-wise) couldn't even keep it together and imploded before even reaching their peak.

........ THEN came Nirvana and it was history!

[Mike's Beard]

True nobody did more to balls up G'N'R than Axl himself. By the time they finally put out a new album no one cared, they were a joke.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

In the minority here, but I've always despised GNR, esp. vocally. Then again, I hate pretty much everything Aerosmith did from the 80s on...

Can't stand the whiny vocals.  See, Robert Plant could actually sing . Axl Rose and Steven Tyler are poor imitations IMHO. And, to be honest, Robert Plant was a bad Robert Plant impersonator from the 80s on... 


But...getting off topic now.

[rab2591]

In the minority here, but I've always despised GNR, esp. vocally. Then again, I hate pretty much everything Aerosmith did from the 80s on...

Can't stand the whiny vocals.  See, Robert Plant could actually sing . Axl Rose and Steven Tyler are poor imitations IMHO. And, to be honest, Robert Plant was a bad Robert Plant impersonator from the 80s on... 


But...getting off topic now.

I don't mind Axl's voice, but compared to Plant, there is no question that Plant is by far a much better singer.

Anyone here listen to his collaboration with Alison Krauss Raising Sand? Plant is still hitting those high notes!

[Dancing Bear]

I never thought about G'n'R as a metal band, like Iron Maiden or Testament. Or a pop metal band like Poison or Warrant. More like a late 80's version of 70's Aerosmith.

[Sam_BFC]

True nobody did more to balls up G'N'R than Axl himself. By the time they finally put out a new album no one cared, they were a joke.

Like the BBs with Smiley I guess?

[Alex]

The only GNR song I actually care for is the Manson cover...

[Curtis Leon]

In the minority here, but I've always despised GNR, esp. vocally. Then again, I hate pretty much everything Aerosmith did from the 80s on...

Can't stand the whiny vocals.  See, Robert Plant could actually sing . Axl Rose and Steven Tyler are poor imitations IMHO. And, to be honest, Robert Plant was a bad Robert Plant impersonator from the 80s on... 


But...getting off topic now.

I don't mind Axl's voice, but compared to Plant, there is no question that Plant is by far a much better singer.

Anyone here listen to his collaboration with Alison Krauss Raising Sand? Plant is still hitting those high notes!

Sacrilege, I know, but I can't stand Plant's vocals either. I think he overemotes far too much.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

I like his voice up until about mmm...Presence. His voice changed a lot from the early to late 70s. It became much more whiny...I can't STAND overly whiny vocals. Probably same reason why I though AC/DC with Bon Scott was badass and the version with Brian  Johnson is just ass.

[rab2591]

I like his voice up until about mmm...Presence. His voice changed a lot from the early to late 70s. It became much more whiny...I can't STAND overly whiny vocals. Probably same reason why I though AC/DC with Bon Scott was badass and the version with Brian  Johnson is just ass.

To my ears Bon Scott is the definition of whiny/high-pitched vocals. Granted, I love his vocals on 'It's A Long Way To The Top' but that's about it.

[Menace Wilson]

I like his voice up until about mmm...Presence. His voice changed a lot from the early to late 70s. It became much more whiny...I can't STAND overly whiny vocals. Probably same reason why I though AC/DC with Bon Scott was badass and the version with Brian  Johnson is just ass.

Something did happen to Plant's voice, and it was pretty drastic.  You can hear it as early as the "new" recordings on Physical Graffiti...his voice breaks and he struggles to hit the higher notes.     

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

I like his voice up until about mmm...Presence. His voice changed a lot from the early to late 70s. It became much more whiny...I can't STAND overly whiny vocals. Probably same reason why I though AC/DC with Bon Scott was badass and the version with Brian  Johnson is just ass.

Bon Scott AND Brian Johnson are two of the best hard rock singers of all time.

They are also two of the greatest frontmen ever!

Loving Bon does not have to come at the expense of Brian. You don't have to hate him in order to praise Scott. Brian did not murder and eat Bon in order to take his place. Bon's death was a tragedy but the band carried on and continued to put out ass-kicking music, including what is probably the greatest hard rock album of all time WITH Brian!

But I can understand preferring Bon. He wrote better lyrics, for one, but Brian had POWER. Still has it today!

I honestly, like that there are basically 2 AC/DCs. Neither Bon nor Brian were exactly Carl when it comes to being "great" singers. I can get tired of either of them after a while, which is cool because if I burn out on Bon, I can throw on some Brian and it sounds badass and fresh, then I get tired of him, so I go back to Bon  

[The Heartical Don]

i think Vampire Weekend has a shot. wait, barenaked ladies?

Yes, Barenaked Ladies! They've consistently released strong album after strong album...usually the singles being the weakest tracks...their more recent stuff hasn't been quite as great as their 90s heyday...but 1996's Born On A Pirate Ship and 2000's Maroon are modern day classics. I see BNL as similar to the BBs pre-1990s in that they are grossly underrated and misunderstood. Maybe they're not on the same level as the BBs, Beatles, Dylan, etc., but they are (or were, before Steven Page quit) better than Nirvana, Michael Jackson, and Coldplay.

Are they better than Wishbone Ash? That's the relevant issue.

I keep thinking to myself I will check out some Wishbone Ash stuff on youtube, having never heard ANYTHING by them. However, I have so far refrained from doing so in case I actually like them, in which case this running gag would become less funny.  

Actually, it's the same here. For me they're just a group mentioned by some Amazon-reviewer who found Brian horribly bad and WA the best of the planet. The only thing I did so far was to seek out some of their 'Argus' lyrics, which were terribly, terribly infantile. But well - the same can be said for 80% of 'Love You'.

Muddy waters indeed. Perhaps, dear Beard, we'll meet again someday on the 'Son Of Argus' message board.

Okay, I cannot recall a single song by Wishbone Ash and can only say I'd seen their albums for sale used in thrift shops. But I did google a Wishbone Ash message board:

http://wishboneashforums.com/index.php

And I joined. I have the same user name as here (rogerlancelot although obviously that is not really my name). Anybody else want to join and see if we can confuse these people? Or would that be trolling? I don't want to be rude with them, I just want to pretend that I know more about them than I do (which is actually nothing). Damn, reminds me of when I used to make prank phone calls when I was a kid. Oops, I still make them and I'm 37 now.....

Thanks for the inspiration, Mr. Don, and hope to see you there!

  count me in, RL... same name too...

Erm... due to a typo (honest!) I'm registered there as The Heartical Con...

[A Million Units In Jan!]

For those of you who hate Nirvana, think of this; The first record label they were signed to was Sub Pop. Sub Pop was close to going under when Nirvana left them to sign with DGC. In the negotiations, part of the agreement was that Sub Pop would get a percentage of future royalties from Nirvana records, as well as having their Sub Pop logo on Nirvana albums. So Nirvana helped keep Sub Pop from going under, therefore enabling Sub Pop to stay in business and release a rare 7-inch single of IJWMFTT promoting the Pet Sounds box set.

[Mike's Beard]

"LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! PRESENTING THE HEARTICAL CON!!!"  

[Mike's Beard]

For those of you who hate Nirvana, think of this; The first record label they were signed to was Sub Pop. Sub Pop was close to going under when Nirvana left them to sign with DGC. In the negotiations, part of the agreement was that Sub Pop would get a percentage of future royalties from Nirvana records, as well as having their Sub Pop logo on Nirvana albums. So Nirvana helped keep Sub Pop from going under, therefore enabling Sub Pop to stay in business and release a rare 7-inch single of IJWMFTT promoting the Pet Sounds box set.

They still blow.

[A Million Units In Jan!]

For those of you who hate Nirvana, think of this; The first record label they were signed to was Sub Pop. Sub Pop was close to going under when Nirvana left them to sign with DGC. In the negotiations, part of the agreement was that Sub Pop would get a percentage of future royalties from Nirvana records, as well as having their Sub Pop logo on Nirvana albums. So Nirvana helped keep Sub Pop from going under, therefore enabling Sub Pop to stay in business and release a rare 7-inch single of IJWMFTT promoting the Pet Sounds box set.

They still blow.

Nope.

[the captain]

I don't like Nirvana at all, either. I was right in that target market during their ascent, but it just never connected at all with me. And of course there's nothing to make a guy hate a band worse than other people loving a band he already hates, so as they became deified, it just drove me nuts. My first thought when he shot himself--horribly rude as it may be--was along the lines of "f***, now he's going to be remembered as a legend forever."

[Jonas]

and as the rest of us will not be remembered at all!

[Alex]

i think Vampire Weekend has a shot. wait, barenaked ladies?

Yes, Barenaked Ladies! They've consistently released strong album after strong album...usually the singles being the weakest tracks...their more recent stuff hasn't been quite as great as their 90s heyday...but 1996's Born On A Pirate Ship and 2000's Maroon are modern day classics. I see BNL as similar to the BBs pre-1990s in that they are grossly underrated and misunderstood. Maybe they're not on the same level as the BBs, Beatles, Dylan, etc., but they are (or were, before Steven Page quit) better than Nirvana, Michael Jackson, and Coldplay.

Are they better than Wishbone Ash? That's the relevant issue.

I keep thinking to myself I will check out some Wishbone Ash stuff on youtube, having never heard ANYTHING by them. However, I have so far refrained from doing so in case I actually like them, in which case this running gag would become less funny.  

Actually, it's the same here. For me they're just a group mentioned by some Amazon-reviewer who found Brian horribly bad and WA the best of the planet. The only thing I did so far was to seek out some of their 'Argus' lyrics, which were terribly, terribly infantile. But well - the same can be said for 80% of 'Love You'.

Muddy waters indeed. Perhaps, dear Beard, we'll meet again someday on the 'Son Of Argus' message board.

Okay, I cannot recall a single song by Wishbone Ash and can only say I'd seen their albums for sale used in thrift shops. But I did google a Wishbone Ash message board:

http://wishboneashforums.com/index.php

And I joined. I have the same user name as here (rogerlancelot although obviously that is not really my name). Anybody else want to join and see if we can confuse these people? Or would that be trolling? I don't want to be rude with them, I just want to pretend that I know more about them than I do (which is actually nothing). Damn, reminds me of when I used to make prank phone calls when I was a kid. Oops, I still make them and I'm 37 now.....

Thanks for the inspiration, Mr. Don, and hope to see you there!

  count me in, RL... same name too...

Erm... due to a typo (honest!) I'm registered there as The Heartical Con...

I just responded to your post over on the WA board!

[the captain]

and as the rest of us will not be remembered at all!

That part of it is fine with me.

[Mike's Beard]

Nirvana were the only "grunge" group I never really liked. I have a very unique reason for disliking them. Back in 1994, I was a 15 year old high school kid. Like many people that age I was attempting to learn the guitar. I switched to bass when a guy from my class told me of a bass and amp going cheap. He also mentioned that the bass player from his group had walked out recently. Long story short, I bought the bass and joined his group. Initially it was great fun bangin out a few covers and just having a blast. However, this guy was a complete Curt Cobain freak and did his best to impersonate his demented whiny vocal style and distorted guitar riffs in everything we did. No matter what song we tried or wrote it invariably got put through the Cobain mangler. Imagine a T-Rex or Doors cover done in a bad Nirvana style; I can tell you from first hand experience the results are not pretty. In the end I had enough and quit, but by this point Nirvana had gone from a band I didn't particularly like to one I outright despised.

[runnersdialzero]

Nirvana were the only "grunge" group I never really liked. I have a very unique reason for disliking them. Back in 1994, I was a 15 year old high school kid. Like many people that age I was attempting to learn the guitar. I switched to bass when a guy from my class told me of a bass and amp going cheap. He also mentioned that the bass player from his group had walked out recently. Long story short, I bought the bass and joined his group. Initially it was great fun bangin out a few covers and just having a blast. However, this guy was a complete Curt Cobain freak and did his best to impersonate his demented whiny vocal style and distorted guitar riffs in everything we did. No matter what song we tried or wrote it invariably got put through the Cobain mangler. Imagine a T-Rex or Doors cover done in a bad Nirvana style; I can tell you from first hand experience the results are not pretty. In the end I had enough and quit, but by this point Nirvana had gone from a band I didn't particularly like to one I outright despised.

Your reasons for hating Nirvana and Oasis aren't very good.