VH1 s**ts on The Beach Boys

[Mike's Beard]

I can't speak for those in other countries, but as an Englishman I can tell you that in their home country back in the mid 90's Oasis fever was EVERYWHERE and it was excruciating!! You could not go anywhere without hearing their music. If Liam took a dump the tabloids saw fit to run a frontpage article on it and people up and down the country where copying the Gallagher haircut and spouting the phase "mad for it". Thankfully it subsided when Be Here Now was released to criticism (oddly enough the only Oasis record I quite like some stuff from). Without a doubt the most overrated band of all time.

[matt-zeus]

Oasis and Nirvana are great bands. Sad that so many here are too cool for them or wouldn't give them a chance outside of hearing two of their singles.

I don't think 'too cool' has anything to do with it. I like Nirvana and learnt to play guitar listening to them, cant say I listen to them much now but have nothing against them.
However, as far as Oasis goes I heard all their albums as my friends were into them, I just thought they were bloody awful at a time when pop music was getting exciting and interesting again what with Blur, Suede, Pulp etc getting into the mainstream and the charts. It seems that as soon as Oasis turned up it was like dumbing it all down again, and the bands that came in their wake were monstrous.
Part of their unappeal also came from the utter tosh that dribbled out of the Gallagher brothers - for a band so obviously influenced by the Beatles, they didn't show anything near the level of melodicity, interesting chord changes, wit, or variety of styles that they did.

I can't speak for those in other countries, but as an Englishman I can tell you that in their home country back in the mid 90's Oasis fever was EVERYWHERE and it was excruciating!! You could not go anywhere without hearing their music. If Liam took a dump the tabloids saw fit to run a frontpage article on it and people up and down the country where copying the Gallagher haircut and spouting the phase "mad for it". Thankfully it subsided when Be Here Now was released to criticism (oddly enough the only Oasis record I quite like some stuff from). Without a doubt the most overrated band of all time.

This hits it on the head, if you're a kid now getting into Oasis without all the baggage etc 15 years on then fair enough, but for us British music fans who didn't like Oasis and were bludgeoned by them and their bullmerda at the time I think it leaves rather a bad taste in the mouth...

[The Heartical Don]

At that time I thought there was another musical direction in the UK that was very much more interesting than Oasis and Blur combined: Massive Attack, and Portishead. Both built an interesting catalogue that stood the test of time well.

'Unfinished Sympathy' is awesome and timeless.

'Mezzanine': ditto.

'Portishead 1, 2, 3, 4' : all wonderful to these ears.

[absinthe_boy]

I can't speak for those in other countries, but as an Englishman I can tell you that in their home country back in the mid 90's Oasis fever was EVERYWHERE and it was excruciating!! You could not go anywhere without hearing their music. If Liam took a dump the tabloids saw fit to run a frontpage article on it and people up and down the country where copying the Gallagher haircut and spouting the phase "mad for it". Thankfully it subsided when Be Here Now was released to criticism (oddly enough the only Oasis record I quite like some stuff from). Without a doubt the most overrated band of all time.

Would we consider them so overrated if they hadn't been so omnipresent in the 1990's?

I will happily confirm what 'mikes beard' says, Oasis were bloody everywhere...you couldn't escape them even in elevator muzak.

[Mike's Beard]

Shockingly many (not least of all Gobshite Liam himself) were declaring that Oasis were 'the best band since The Beatles'. Putting aside my stance on the Beatles for just a second, I'm amazed anyone could say that and keep a straight face.

[The Heartical Don]

Shockingly many (not least of all Gobshite Liam himself) were declaring that Oasis were 'the best band since The Beatles'. Putting aside my stance on the Beatles for just a second, I'm amazed anyone could say that and keep a straight face.

Their eyebrows are funny, mind. Did I hear anyone mention the name 'Lombroso'?

[A Million Units In Jan!]

They do make new lists every year, which I never understood. Just like 'The top 100 albums of all time' or whatever magazines put out. I mean, why should it change every year? Because maybe an album comes along and bumps 100 down to 101? Stupid. And the top 5 usually consist of 'Sgt. Pepper', 'Revolver', 'Pet Sounds', something by Dylan (either Blonde On Blonde or Highway 61 Revisited) and  'What's Goin' On' by Marvin Gaye.

[Runaways]

i'd never say oasis was high on creativity, pretty low.  But, i'd definitely call them one of the best and last rock n roll bands we've had.

sometimes attitude and the way you carry yourself matters.  Oasis live, even if liam's voice is crap, is something to behold.  I really feel they're the last band who really has "presence".  They don't even move but they're in complete control of everyone

[Mike's Beard]

They do make new lists every year, which I never understood. Just like 'The top 100 albums of all time' or whatever magazines put out. I mean, why should it change every year? Because maybe an album comes along and bumps 100 down to 101? Stupid. And the top 5 usually consist of 'Sgt. Pepper', 'Revolver', 'Pet Sounds', something by Dylan (either Blonde On Blonde or Highway 61 Revisited) and  'What's Goin' On' by Marvin Gaye.

What does me is that everytime one of these lists are concocted there is always this need to stick one or two VERY recent albums into the mix as if in a desperate attempt to convince people that modern music is just as vibrant and inspired as it was 30-40 years ago at it's apex. Oasis being a classic example and more recently groups such as Coldplay and Kings of Leon.

Oh well, at least everytime a Best Single of all time list comes around Good Vibrations hits the top spot!

[Dave in KC]

They do make new lists every year, which I never understood. Just like 'The top 100 albums of all time' or whatever magazines put out. I mean, why should it change every year? Because maybe an album comes along and bumps 100 down to 101? Stupid. And the top 5 usually consist of 'Sgt. Pepper', 'Revolver', 'Pet Sounds', something by Dylan (either Blonde On Blonde or Highway 61 Revisited) and  'What's Goin' On' by Marvin Gaye.

What does me is that everytime one of these lists are concocted there is always this need to stick one or two VERY recent albums into the mix as if in a desperate attempt to convince people that modern music is just as vibrant and inspired as it was 30-40 years ago at it's apex. Oasis being a classic example and more recently groups such as Coldplay and Kings of Leon.

Oh well, at least everytime a Best Single of all time list comes around Good Vibrations hits the top spot!

[Dave in KC]

What I meant to add to the above is that there are dreamers who think the apex is now, not when it really was. Face it, you just missed it. Not your fault. But don't try to cram the crap of today and claim it'll been around for nearly as long as the "apex" period. Just get over it. I have one poster in  mind on this board.

[The Heartical Don]

They do make new lists every year, which I never understood. Just like 'The top 100 albums of all time' or whatever magazines put out. I mean, why should it change every year? Because maybe an album comes along and bumps 100 down to 101? Stupid. And the top 5 usually consist of 'Sgt. Pepper', 'Revolver', 'Pet Sounds', something by Dylan (either Blonde On Blonde or Highway 61 Revisited) and  'What's Goin' On' by Marvin Gaye.

What does me is that everytime one of these lists are concocted there is always this need to stick one or two VERY recent albums into the mix as if in a desperate attempt to convince people that modern music is just as vibrant and inspired as it was 30-40 years ago at it's apex. Oasis being a classic example and more recently groups such as Coldplay and Kings of Leon.

Oh well, at least everytime a Best Single of all time list comes around Good Vibrations hits the top spot!

Right. Coldplay stinks to high heaven. And I harbour serious intents of murdering Chris Martin, as he married Gwyneth Paltrow, the actress with the mostest and bestest beauty and intelligence.

As for the lists... I think they just are a selling point. Every edition with a 'list' will attract extra buyers who never were that keen on shelling out money for a rock mag. But a list provides some 'security', a guide on how to become literate in all things pop. In my younger days lists could make me go to my shop and buy a 'classic' unheard. In most cases, my choice turned out to be at least OK. But with today's lists, I don't do that any more. There's just so much junk in there, such desperate attempts at presenting the greatest common denominator.

I refuse to accept that it is my getting older that stands in the way. I observe a serious lack of invention in today's pop/rock. There surely is a lot of irony in current opinions; a result is the mass adoration of the completely talent-free Lady Gaga. Meh.

[Menace Wilson]

I refuse to accept that it is my getting older that stands in the way. I observe a serious lack of invention in today's pop/rock.

I've noticed more and more young people digging back to the past to find music of genuine quality, whether it's Pet Sounds or London Calling.  I had a 17-year-old girl compliment me on my Syd Barrett t-shirt the other day....coulda knocked me over.   

     

[The Heartical Don]

I refuse to accept that it is my getting older that stands in the way. I observe a serious lack of invention in today's pop/rock.

I've noticed more and more young people digging back to the past to find music of genuine quality, whether it's Pet Sounds or London Calling.  I had a 17-year-old girl compliment me on my Syd Barrett t-shirt the other day....coulda knocked me over.   

     

Same here. It is delightful to see someone in their teens expressing a deep love for Nick Drake, Tim Buckley, early Van Morrison, or Wishbone Ash.

[Menace Wilson]

 

[Myk Luhv]

I'm 21 and am just waiting for the Great Wishbone Ash Renaissance to sweep my generation. Soon, fellas, soon!

[summerinparadise.flac]

Lady Gaga is quite good.

[Ron]

i'd never say oasis was high on creativity, pretty low.  But, i'd definitely call them one of the best and last rock n roll bands we've had.

sometimes attitude and the way you carry yourself matters.  Oasis live, even if liam's voice is crap, is something to behold.  I really feel they're the last band who really has "presence".  They don't even move but they're in complete control of everyone

Preach it brother, i'm with you 100%.  There was a show about 5 years ago, where that f****t from Coldplay got up on stage with Gwenyth Paltrow at a charity show, and said something political about somebody or another.  When Liam took the stage (knowing he hates Coldplay) he basically said Chris 'and that silly bird he's married to' should keep their fucking mouths shut about politics when they're there to raise money for charity.... and then proceeded to give one hell of a show. 

That, to me, is one of the things that makes a great Rock band.  Cockiness is what made rock and roll so great.  Anybody ever see Danny & The Juniors do "Rock and Roll is here to Stay" ?  All wearing Glasses, the lead singer impossibly beligerant about how great his music is, etc.  Oasis carry that tradition. 

[Sam_BFC]

Lady Gaga is quite good.

Indeed

[The Heartical Don]

i'd never say oasis was high on creativity, pretty low.  But, i'd definitely call them one of the best and last rock n roll bands we've had.

sometimes attitude and the way you carry yourself matters.  Oasis live, even if liam's voice is crap, is something to behold.  I really feel they're the last band who really has "presence".  They don't even move but they're in complete control of everyone

Preach it brother, i'm with you 100%.  There was a show about 5 years ago, where that estranho from Coldplay got up on stage with Gwenyth Paltrow at a charity show, and said something political about somebody or another.  When Liam took the stage (knowing he hates Coldplay) he basically said Chris 'and that silly bird he's married to' should keep their friggin' mouths shut about politics when they're there to raise money for charity.... and then proceeded to give one hell of a show. 

That, to me, is one of the things that makes a great Rock band.  Cockiness is what made rock and roll so great.  Anybody ever see Danny & The Juniors do "Rock and Roll is here to Stay" ?  All wearing Glasses, the lead singer impossibly beligerant about how great his music is, etc.  Oasis carry that tradition. 

Can you give me the home address of Liam Gallagher? I have a serious issue with that eyebrow.

[GoogaMooga]

In a top 20 it's only fair to have two artists from the '80s at least and two from the '90s. I nominate Michael Jackson and Prince from the '80s and Oasis and Nirvana from the '90s. The '00s I need to assess later.

'50s: Elvis Presley and Fats Domino
'60s: Beach Boys and Phil Spector
'70s: Beach Boys and Curtis Mayfield
'80s: Michael Jackson and Prince
'90s: Oasis and Nirvana

[Alex]

In a top 20 it's only fair to have two artists from the '80s at least and two from the '90s. I nominate Michael Jackson and Prince from the '80s and Oasis and Nirvana from the '90s. The '00s I need to assess later.

'50s: Elvis Presley and Fats Domino
'60s: Beach Boys and Phil Spector
'70s: Beach Boys and Curtis Mayfield
'80s: Michael Jackson and Prince
'90s: Oasis and Nirvana

How 'bout...
50s-Bo Diddley and Buddy Holly
60s-Beach Boys and The Lovin' Spoonful
70s-Big Star and Jonathan Richman & the Modern Lovers
80s-Jesus and Mary Chain and REM
90s-Barenaked Ladies, The Flaming Lips, Neutral Milk Hotel
00s-The Arcade Fire, Wilco, Feist, Rilo Kiley, New Pornographers, The Shins, Animal Collective, Neko Case, MGMT...can't narrow it down...
10s-so far...The Drums, Surfer Blood, Beach House, The Pains of Being Pure At Heart...more to come...

[CarCrazyCutie]

I just watched the show of this (I hadn't seen this thread beforehand otherwise I would have NEVER watched it). It was complete garbage!! I mean really, the BBs between Madonna & Nirvana? & freaking Nirvana beat them!!! I watched the entire thing and honestly there were more people NOT on the list at all that should've been than were actually deservedly on it. I don't know why I even watch these dumb shows cause they just get me fuming. It was the first time ever that I was actually semi happy the Beatles were #1 because if Michael Jackson had got it I would've become physically ill. Any "Greatest Artists of All Time" list that has absolutely no Hank Williams, Patsy Cline, or any Country period (besides Johnny Cash), has Nirvana, The Who, Led Zeppelin,  The Stones, etc. ahead of the BBs, and has the King of Rock N Roll at #8 (!!!!!!!!!!) behind Prince & MJ is absolutely asinine. Things like this majorly piss me off It's scary to think that 200 "artists" are so incredibly ignorant of music

[LetHimRun]

I just watched the show of this (I hadn't seen this thread beforehand otherwise I would have NEVER watched it). It was complete garbage!! I mean really, the BBs between Madonna & Nirvana? & freaking Nirvana beat them!!! I watched the entire thing and honestly there were more people NOT on the list at all that should've been than were actually deservedly on it. I don't know why I even watch these dumb shows cause they just get me fuming. It was the first time ever that I was actually semi happy the Beatles were #1 because if Michael Jackson had got it I would've become physically ill. Any "Greatest Artists of All Time" list that has absolutely no Hank Williams, Patsy Cline, or any Country period (besides Johnny Cash), has Nirvana, The Who, Led Zeppelin,  The Stones, etc. ahead of the BBs, and has the King of Rock N Roll at #8 (!!!!!!!!!!) behind Prince & MJ is absolutely asinine. Things like this majorly piss me off It's scary to think that 200 "artists" are so incredibly ignorant of music

I watched it, too. VH1 did this ("100 greatest artists of all time") in 1998 and the Beach Boys were #13 then. Michael Jackson went from 40th in 1998 to 3rd in 2010. That is absurd. He did nothing from 1998 to 2010 except for having his untimely death. How Elvis is behind Prince and Michael is unthinkable. Just look at the "artists" they polled though--a pretty pathetic and talentless group overall.

For the part about the Beach Boys, though, it was really cool seeing the classic footage of them singing live on the tube. 15th sucked, IMHO, they should be in the top 8 at least, but when I read blogs on the internet showing the listing and practically all of the few comments on the Boys say they should be either 90th, not on the list at all, or they are way to close to the top, I'll take 15th just to piss them off. Poor, clueless souls.

[Mike's Beard]

Can anybody give me some examples of the artists that were polled for this thing? No doubt Chris Martin is lurking in there.......