Evan Landy makes an appearance ...

[Andrew G. Doe]

I'm pretty sure he meant that it doesn't(or shouldn't) matter to us, the mere fans who weren't there.

Same difference. Can't speak for anyone else here, but I happen to care about Brian's well-being, past, present & future. Applying this ludicrous ruling rigorously, doesn't matter that Landy damn near killed Brian, because we mere fans weren't there. Anyone else here believe that's OK ?

Thought not. Christ on a tandem, I may be arrogant, dismissive, condescending and have an ego that demands frequent massaging, but I don't spout complete bollocks like that.  

[Andrew G. Doe]

Maybe you can become his special pen pal friend and get all kinds of great stories from him! You can find out why his dad wanted to steal most of Brian Wilson's estate and how it was for good reasons. I betcha $500 will get you in the door. Make no mistake: $$ was involved and the likes of the Daily Mail are the only creeps that would bite. So far.

How about you tell us who you really are, for a starting point ? Secondly, looks to me like someone's touched a nerve. But real name first, please. Actually, there's a few others here I'd like to pull the mask away from. Some smell rats, I smell moles.

[guitarfool2002]

Some stories just don't have much of a reason if any at all to want to hear "the other side" because the facts and truth are so egregious and disturbing. In this case, this doctor's patient could have been half a step away from losing his life on any given day thanks to the doctor's regimen of over-medication and bizarre exercise routines monitored by hired goons, and in this case the doctor's patient could have unwillingly signed away his entire estate through a will that would have been changed to have the doctor and *his* family as the beneficiaries rather than the patient's own family and heirs.


Now can it be understood why a lot of people who care about Brian Wilson if only on the level of a fan who got a lot of joy from his music and is happy to see him still alive and making music after all of this happened might think hearing the doctor's "side" of this story amounts to a total crock of sh*t?

[ontor pertawst]

Andrew smells rats and moles! Well, this should be interesting. Almost as interesting as both of you pulling this move simultaneously.

"Weird, wild stuff..."

[The Shift]

Some stories just don't have much of a reason if any at all to want to hear "the other side" because the facts and truth are so egregious and disturbing. In this case, this doctor's patient could have been half a step away from losing his life on any given day thanks to the doctor's regimen of over-medication and bizarre exercise routines monitored by hired goons, and in this case the doctor's patient could have unwillingly signed away his entire estate through a will that would have been changed to have the doctor and *his* family as the beneficiaries rather than the patient's own family and heirs.


Now can it be understood why a lot of people who care about Brian Wilson if only on the level of a fan who got a lot of joy from his music and is happy to see him still alive and making music after all of this happened might think hearing the doctor's "side" of this story amounts to a total crock of sh*t?

I'm not disputing that what went on was criminal, appalling and horrific. I've read the Gary Usher tapes transcripts. I've read what Ray has shared here. It all adds up to something unequivocal. I don't see how that should prevent anyone wanting to read more, and wanting to understand more.

Ontor's tone comes across as offensive and I'm not sure why he/she decided he/shehad a beef with me. If he/she is an insider with insight to offer I'd be delighted to learn of his/her credentials, and to learn from what he/she has to offer.

[ontor pertawst]

Who has a beef with you? I just think Evan Landy is sleazy and so is the Daily Mail. What his dad did is indefensible. They had plenty of time to get "their side of the story" out. They failed. Repeatedly. The story is one of sadness, greed, and ego. I know fans love getting all the facts, but it's hardly surprising that some Brian Wilson fans don't care much for the Landy family.

I am sorry tho if it seemed personal or I was attacking you. Just your ideas of "balance" or thinking it was more on the Daily Mail than Evan. I doubt it, that's all.

yours truly,
Ratty J. Mole (Mr./Mrs.)

[drbeachboy]

Maybe you can become his special pen pal friend and get all kinds of great stories from him! You can find out why his dad wanted to steal most of Brian Wilson's estate and how it was for good reasons. I betcha $500 will get you in the door. Make no mistake: $$ was involved and the likes of the Daily Mail are the only creeps that would bite. So far.

Who are you, and what is your gripe with me? Real name, mind…

John, he thinks he is morally superior to everyone else in here. Not the first time he's used his sarcasm to make his point. Seriously, I don't think he knows how to communicate without being sarcastic.

[ontor pertawst]

Morally superior? C'mon, we're all more than a bit goofy here and I'm a LOT more self-deprecating than most. No need to pile on in defense of... Evan Landy? Really? Way to go, guys. Great flag to rally behind. Nice job trying to bait me tho, fellas.

[drbeachboy]

Some stories just don't have much of a reason if any at all to want to hear "the other side" because the facts and truth are so egregious and disturbing. In this case, this doctor's patient could have been half a step away from losing his life on any given day thanks to the doctor's regimen of over-medication and bizarre exercise routines monitored by hired goons, and in this case the doctor's patient could have unwillingly signed away his entire estate through a will that would have been changed to have the doctor and *his* family as the beneficiaries rather than the patient's own family and heirs.


Now can it be understood why a lot of people who care about Brian Wilson if only on the level of a fan who got a lot of joy from his music and is happy to see him still alive and making music after all of this happened might think hearing the doctor's "side" of this story amounts to a total crock of sh*t?

It may be a croc of sh*t, and personally I do believe it to be so, but if the guy wants to talk and someone is willing to print it, then he should be able to tell his story. And people who believe that way shouldn't be ostracized for it in here. It is generally the way things are done when one wants to get the total story.

[drbeachboy]

Morally superior? C'mon, we're all more than a bit goofy here and I'm a LOT more self-deprecating than most. No need to pile on in defense of... Evan Landy? Really? Way to go, guys. Great flag to rally behind.

I am not defending Evan Landy. You do this sort of thing in every thread that you participate in. Your sarcasm is not always funny. Maybe you should use it a bit more judiciously.

[The Shift]

Morally superior? C'mon, we're all more than a bit goofy here and I'm a LOT more self-deprecating than most. No need to pile on in defense of... Evan Landy? Really? Way to go, guys. Great flag to rally behind.

I am not defending Evan Landy. You do this sort of thing in every thread that you participate in. Your sarcasm is not always funny. Maybe you should use it a bit more judiciously.

Well said.

No one's defending E. Landy…

[Howie Edelson]

I just wanna say this: Landy was a criminal.

That’s a word that never seems to be used when discussing him, there’s “unorthodox,” “star-seeking,” and ”flawed” -- all true, but he was a criminal. And all the people who profited from Brian during that time with the free meals, the SIXTEEN (therapeutic?) trips to Hawaii, the housing, the cars, the tickets, the private planes, the salaries --- which I’m guessing probably included some type of insurance benefits, as well. . . .  are ALL CRIMINALS.

They all should've ended up in prison.

I’m not saying that the Landy folk aren’t as delusional as he was, I’m just saying they’re all criminals like he was. Look at Brian on The Tonight Show in ’84 -- which is when Landy should’ve begun stepping down and compare that to the Diane Sawyer interview. Evan Landy was aware of EVERYTHING. Make no mistake. These people around Landy perpetrated a decade-long crime.

And I'm pretty sure that if this doctor that loved Brian so much (are doctors supposed to "love" their clients?) hadn't made it near impossible to extricate Brian from his "practice," that far more serious charges would've been lobbied at Landy and his co-horts (who got off scot-free). I think freedom was primary motive at the time, but in 2015 the ending of Landy would've only been the beginning of countless fraud and malpractice suits that would've dragged on for a decade.

By the way, to end the ongoing argument about "revisionism," one could also say there are “two sides” to every rape, too.

[ontor pertawst]

John, you're certainly defending his talking to the fuckin' DAILY MAIL and want to hear more from this parasite. Howie is right.

You guys can go merrily on attacking me and trying to play moderator or CIA chief, it comes off as faintly ridiculous considering the subject matter... but Landy was scum and his son profited from his crimes... and abetted them. I am sorry if anyone feels ostracized by my saying that.

[guitarfool2002]

Some stories just don't have much of a reason if any at all to want to hear "the other side" because the facts and truth are so egregious and disturbing. In this case, this doctor's patient could have been half a step away from losing his life on any given day thanks to the doctor's regimen of over-medication and bizarre exercise routines monitored by hired goons, and in this case the doctor's patient could have unwillingly signed away his entire estate through a will that would have been changed to have the doctor and *his* family as the beneficiaries rather than the patient's own family and heirs.


Now can it be understood why a lot of people who care about Brian Wilson if only on the level of a fan who got a lot of joy from his music and is happy to see him still alive and making music after all of this happened might think hearing the doctor's "side" of this story amounts to a total crock of sh*t?

It may be a croc of sh*t, and personally I do believe it to be so, but if the guy wants to talk and someone is willing to print it, then he should be able to tell his story. And people who believe that way shouldn't be ostracized for it in here. It is generally the way things are done when one wants to get the total story.

And he/they waited until the very weekend the film is being released to "set the record straight"? People reading this stuff aren't that naive. It's not about getting the total story in this case. The total absence of anything regarding the Landy team's efforts to change the will in this interview says it all. If getting the total story was the goal, surely that key point would have at least come up...but again, that wasn't the point and usually never is in these kinds of publications. If that fact had been written or asked in that article, anyone reading it would have immediately seen the bullshit apart from the physical health issues which were even more egregious.

In other words, ask the question about the doctor changing the will and every point or attempt to tell another side of the story that would follow would collapse. No matter how much of a positive spin you'd want to put on the story, some points are the nuclear bombs that wipe everything else off the map.

[The Shift]

John, you're certainly defending his talking to the fuckin' DAILY MAIL and want to hear more from this parasite. Howie is right.

You guys can go merrily on attacking me and trying to play moderator or CIA chief, it comes off as faintly ridiculous considering the subject matter... but Landy was scum and his son profited from his crimes... and abetted them. I am sorry if anyone feels ostracized by my saying that.

Read my posts again in relation to the Daily Mail.

[SMiLE Brian]

The Landy family are really bad people from what they did to BW.

[ontor pertawst]

Read my posts again in relation to the Daily Mail.

Yes, I don't agree with them. I think Evan Landy sold "his side" to the Daily Mail to cash in on the movie. But what do you expect from bottomfeeders? An apology for his dad trying to steal most of BW's estate?

[The Shift]

Read my posts again in relation to the Daily Mail.

Yes, I don't agree with them. I think Evan Landy sold "his side" to the Daily Mail to cash in on the movie. But what do you expect from bottomfeeders? An apology for his dad trying to steal most of BW's estate?

Okay, I'm done.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Maybe you can become his special pen pal friend and get all kinds of great stories from him! You can find out why his dad wanted to steal most of Brian Wilson's estate and how it was for good reasons. I betcha $500 will get you in the door. Make no mistake: $$ was involved and the likes of the Daily Mail are the only creeps that would bite. So far.

Who are you, and what is your gripe with me? Real name, mind…

John, he thinks he is morally superior to everyone else in here. Not the first time he's used his sarcasm to make his point. Seriously, I don't think he knows how to communicate without being sarcastic.

Thinks he's morally superior... uses sarcasm ? Goddamit, that my job !!

[ontor pertawst]

Speaking of your job, what's the deal with both of you guys demanding my name, Andrew? We've PMed. I sign off with my name. Why, the first name is even easy to remember since it's yours without the w!

 It's a click away from this post. It's been used on the forum a few times.  It's on every video I've done.

Moles? Rats? Help me try to understand what you're trying to do here or who you think I secretly am. It's kinda weird.

(Over EVAN LANDY? REALLY?!?!)

[Ray Lawlor]

I just wanna say this: Landy was a criminal.

That’s a word that never seems to be used when discussing him, there’s “unorthodox,” “star-seeking,” and ”flawed” -- all true, but he was a criminal. And all the people who profited from Brian during that time with the free meals, the SIXTEEN (therapeutic?) trips to Hawaii, the housing, the cars, the tickets, the private planes, the salaries --- which I’m guessing probably included some type of insurance benefits, as well. . . .  are ALL CRIMINALS.

They all should've ended up in prison.

I’m not saying that the Landy folk aren’t as delusional as he was, I’m just saying they’re all criminals like he was. Look at Brian on The Tonight Show in ’84 -- which is when Landy should’ve begun stepping down and compare that to the Diane Sawyer interview. Evan Landy was aware of EVERYTHING. Make no mistake. These people around Landy perpetrated a decade-long crime.

And I'm pretty sure that if this doctor that loved Brian so much (are doctors supposed to "love" their clients?) hadn't made it near impossible to extricate Brian from his "practice," that far more serious charges would've been lobbied at Landy and his co-horts (who got off scot-free). I think freedom was primary motive at the time, but in 2015 the ending of Landy would've only been the beginning of countless fraud and malpractice suits that would've dragged on for a decade.

By the way, to end the ongoing argument about "revisionism," one could also say there are “two sides” to every rape, too.

Howie; perfectly stated.

[SMiLE Brian]

I think the BBs money machine as the real criminals in putting BW back with Landy. They had to get BW to make them money at all costs instead of taking him to a real doctor for help.

[CenturyDeprived]

I think the BBs money machine as the real criminals in putting BW back with Landy. They had to get BW to make them money at all costs instead of taking him to a real doctor for help.

I am curious to know what lengths that Brian's family did (and didn't) do to get Brian to a real, actual doctor pre-Landy I or pre-Landy II. I know there was the other doctor who died in the rock-climbing accident, but not sure what other means they tried. Melinda mentioned on Larry King years ago how the family should have taken him to UCLA when they were literally only miles away; she's right, and I do wonder why that didn't actually happen. I would absolutely tend to think ignorance or naivete was the cause for that, as opposed to any greedy motives.

[CenturyDeprived]

And he/they waited until the very weekend the film is being released to "set the record straight"? People reading this stuff aren't that naive. It's not about getting the total story in this case. The total absence of anything regarding the Landy team's efforts to change the will in this interview says it all. If getting the total story was the goal, surely that key point would have at least come up...but again, that wasn't the point and usually never is in these kinds of publications. If that fact had been written or asked in that article, anyone reading it would have immediately seen the bullshit apart from the physical health issues which were even more egregious.

In other words, ask the question about the doctor changing the will and every point or attempt to tell another side of the story that would follow would collapse. No matter how much of a positive spin you'd want to put on the story, some points are the nuclear bombs that wipe everything else off the map.

Here's a question... has Landy or anyone in the Landy camp ever been asked on record about the attempt to change the will? And that is a matter of public record, right? How and when did that information about the attempted will-changing come to light?

There's that awkwardly excruciating moment on the 20/20 Landy/Brian interview where Landy sorta clams up when he is vaguely accused of inappropriate activity, but I wonder if the will issue was ever specifically asked about. How could someone involved with Landy possibly reply to a query about that action?  

The will-changing really is the smoking gun. Lots of the other things can be explained and defended in some fashion, blamed on others, stated to be a side effect of the time in which the events occurred, etc... but not sure how the will thing could be explained in any way, shape or form.

[SMiLE Brian]

I agree that there were degrees of both family care and financial motives in that decision. But it was a mistake to give Landy full power over BW's life.