Evan Landy makes an appearance ...

[kwebb]

And I really don't mean to badmouth Carl -- or John-Roger for that matter, who by all accounts was better than, say, L. Ron Hubbard. It's just to point out that this is the level-headed "sane" Wilson brother we're talking about.

I think it's safe to say that there was a tendency for members of the group to look to a strong outside force to solve all their problems. Mike and the maharishi, the Wilsons with Jack Reilly, Landy, etc., etc. That's how they saw their lives and careers. Find a guy who knows what he's doing, and leave it to him. There's an expectation that someone else will know better, that someone else has it all figured out. Given that most of them became famous and wealthy in their teens (or shortly out of them), the BBs have never known a regular adult life, one in which you have to make tough decisions on your own, all the time.

The treatment approach Brian would have arguably benefited the most from -- a team-based approach with minimal medication, centered on Brian's needs and no one else's -- was anathema to them. Heck, it was probably anathema to him.

Murry's management of the group and his role as an overbearing father could have been a reason for this as well.

[CenturyDeprived]

And I really don't mean to badmouth Carl -- or John-Roger for that matter, who by all accounts was better than, say, L. Ron Hubbard. It's just to point out that this is the level-headed "sane" Wilson brother we're talking about.

I think it's safe to say that there was a tendency for members of the group to look to a strong outside force to solve all their problems. Mike and the maharishi, the Wilsons with Jack Reilly, Landy, etc., etc. That's how they saw their lives and careers. Find a guy who knows what he's doing, and leave it to him. There's an expectation that someone else will know better, that someone else has it all figured out. Given that most of them became famous and wealthy in their teens (or shortly out of them), the BBs have never known a regular adult life, one in which you have to make tough decisions on your own, all the time.

The treatment approach Brian would have arguably benefited the most from -- a team-based approach with minimal medication, centered on Brian's needs and no one else's -- was anathema to them. Heck, it was probably anathema to him.

Murry's management of the group and his role as an overbearing father could have been a reason for this as well.

No doubt about it.

[Peter Reum]

Landy's mismanagement of powerful psychotropics nearly killed Brian more than once. He was using them to control Brian...and  they were very toxic when combined with others he was taking. Those are not the actions of an ethical professional.

[Ray Lawlor]

Landy's mismanagement of powerful psychotropics nearly killed Brian more than once. He was using them to control Brian...and  they were very toxic when combined with others he was taking. Those are not the actions of an ethical professional.

I second that Peter.
As I have said before, he is still not dead enough for me

[John Malone]

Peter and Ray....thank you both for keeping this drumbeat going about EEL. I was just on a Facebook forum setting the record straight for some relatively new fans that still buy the WIBN book version of him.

About John-Roger, I did some research on him a few years ago, and boy...what a nut job he was. The difference, however, between J-R and Landy was that Landy had a diploma and alphabet soup at the end of his name to make it appear he was not a nut job. Too bad that some people are still buying it.

[John Malone]

And, I don't want my phone tapped and pets stolen and killed, so I will have no comment about L. Ron Hubbard or Scientology.

[Bittersweet-Sanity]

http://nypost.com/2015/06/04/how-one-quack-doctor-almost-destroyed-brian-wilsons-career/
Article about Landy, w/ comments from Brian & Melinda.

Melinda mentions that she'd let her mom know when she would go to talk to Landy. I think her mother was supposed to be portrayed in L&M. There's an article from 2013 at Deadline.com saying that Kathy Baker was cast as Rosemary Ledbetter. There's also a credit on IMDb for Dee Wallace in that role. I wonder if anything w/ either actress was filmed.

[ontor pertawst]

I'm guessing so, there's an interesting scene with her character in the shooting script.

[CenturyDeprived]

http://nypost.com/2015/06/04/how-one-quack-doctor-almost-destroyed-brian-wilsons-career/
Article about Landy, w/ comments from Brian & Melinda.

Melinda mentions that she'd let her mom know when she would go to talk to Landy. I think her mother was supposed to be portrayed in L&M. There's an article from 2013 at Deadline.com saying that Kathy Baker was cast as Rosemary Ledbetter. There's also a credit on IMDb for Dee Wallace in that role. I wonder if anything w/ either actress was filmed.

That would have been a trip if Dee Wallace had been cast, since her late hubby Christopher Stone was at one point Scott Wilson's stepdad.

[SurferDownUnder]

And I really don't mean to badmouth Carl -- or John-Roger for that matter, who by all accounts was better than, say, L. Ron Hubbard. It's just to point out that this is the level-headed "sane" Wilson brother we're talking about.

I think it's safe to say that there was a tendency for members of the group to look to a strong outside force to solve all their problems. Mike and the maharishi, the Wilsons with Jack Reilly, Landy, etc., etc. That's how they saw their lives and careers. Find a guy who knows what he's doing, and leave it to him. There's an expectation that someone else will know better, that someone else has it all figured out. Given that most of them became famous and wealthy in their teens (or shortly out of them), the BBs have never known a regular adult life, one in which you have to make tough decisions on your own, all the time.

The treatment approach Brian would have arguably benefited the most from -- a team-based approach with minimal medication, centered on Brian's needs and no one else's -- was anathema to them. Heck, it was probably anathema to him.

Murry's management of the group and his role as an overbearing father could have been a reason for this as well.

I think sadly too as lovely a woman as she was, Audree was a rather passive mother and this lead to a weakness in the Wilson boys when it came to women. One of the key people in my opinion that helped Brian to be even functional was Marilyn in the 60's and early 70's

[drbeachboy]

And I really don't mean to badmouth Carl -- or John-Roger for that matter, who by all accounts was better than, say, L. Ron Hubbard. It's just to point out that this is the level-headed "sane" Wilson brother we're talking about.

I think it's safe to say that there was a tendency for members of the group to look to a strong outside force to solve all their problems. Mike and the maharishi, the Wilsons with Jack Reilly, Landy, etc., etc. That's how they saw their lives and careers. Find a guy who knows what he's doing, and leave it to him. There's an expectation that someone else will know better, that someone else has it all figured out. Given that most of them became famous and wealthy in their teens (or shortly out of them), the BBs have never known a regular adult life, one in which you have to make tough decisions on your own, all the time.

The treatment approach Brian would have arguably benefited the most from -- a team-based approach with minimal medication, centered on Brian's needs and no one else's -- was anathema to them. Heck, it was probably anathema to him.

Murry's management of the group and his role as an overbearing father could have been a reason for this as well.

I think sadly too as lovely a woman as she was, Audree was a rather passive mother and this lead to a weakness in the Wilson boys when it came to women. One of the key people in my opinion that helped Brian to be even functional was Marilyn in the 60's and early 70's

To be honest, I doubt that Marilyn, nor the guys really knew to what extent the problems Brian was dealing with.

[Bittersweet-Sanity]

"Evan" also makes an "appearance" in Love & Mercy. The brief portrayal of him captures how he seemed to be real buddy-buddy w/ Brian. He has a funny line, saying that his dad's gonna go nuts on him.

Something i found while on twitter: May Pang's public facebook thoughts on L&M: The ‪#‎LoveAndMercy‬ film was moving in so many ways. It dealt with Brian's interaction with Dr. Eugene Landy who was so controversial and the love story of Melinda (the heroine) and Brian. It brought back a weird memory for me as I actually witnessed one of those episodes Brian with Landy.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Landy's mismanagement of powerful psychotropics nearly killed Brian more than once. He was using them to control Brian...and  they were very toxic when combined with others he was taking. Those are not the actions of an ethical professional.

... and props to Melinda for saying pretty much that in the recent interview.

And of course to Peter for reasons we all know and appreciate here.

[Andrew G. Doe]

I think sadly too as lovely a woman as she was, Audree was a rather passive mother and this lead to a weakness in the Wilson boys when it came to women.

Audree had her own problems (aside from Murry being... well, Murry).

[SurferDownUnder]

I think sadly too as lovely a woman as she was, Audree was a rather passive mother and this lead to a weakness in the Wilson boys when it came to women.

Audree had her own problems (aside from Murry being... well, Murry).

In a question of curiosity, what bothered Audree so to speak? Was it the demon drink?

[Mike's Beard]

And I really don't mean to badmouth Carl -- or John-Roger for that matter, who by all accounts was better than, say, L. Ron Hubbard. It's just to point out that this is the level-headed "sane" Wilson brother we're talking about.

Speaking of Hubbard, is there any evidence that The Movement of Inner Spiritual Awareness required members to pay cash for 'enlightenment'?

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

The article lists her as Audree Neva...did she remarry after Murry died?

[Mike's Beard]

I think sadly too as lovely a woman as she was, Audree was a rather passive mother and this lead to a weakness in the Wilson boys when it came to women.

Audree had her own problems (aside from Murry being... well, Murry).

There was the booze. Which could be linked to dealing with how she saw her children being treated by their father. No blame can be put Audree's way, she was simply a product of her time/generation. Back in the 50s, a married woman had to obey her husband no matter what.

[Andrew G. Doe]

The article lists her as Audree Neva...did she remarry after Murry died?

That's her middle name: for whatever reason (i.e piss-poor researching) they left off "Wilson".

[Andrew G. Doe]

I think sadly too as lovely a woman as she was, Audree was a rather passive mother and this lead to a weakness in the Wilson boys when it came to women.

Audree had her own problems (aside from Murry being... well, Murry).

In a question of curiosity, what bothered Audree so to speak? Was it the demon drink?

That... and being the mother of Dennis couldn't have helped any. You never knew when the knock on the door might be a weeping teen girl and papa with a 12-gauge. 

[Komera]

Point of perspective: Carl died the member of a cult.

Wait....what?

He was a follower of John-Roger, the leader of a group called the Movement of Inner Spiritual Awareness. (Since we're all Daily Mail based in this thread, here's a story from the paper dredging up the worst of it: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2803264/MSIA-founder-Roger-Delano-Hinkins-dies-age-80.html.)

Carl wrote "Where I Belong" about him.

"Known as the 'Mystical Traveler' by his followers, who include Arianna Huffington and Carol Wilson of the Beach Boys before his death, the news of Hinkins' passing was published on his organizations website."

Who's Carol Wilson?   

[ontor pertawst]

Landy's mismanagement of powerful psychotropics nearly killed Brian more than once. He was using them to control Brian...and  they were very toxic when combined with others he was taking. Those are not the actions of an ethical professional.

... and props to Melinda for saying pretty much that in the recent interview.

If Landy got his way and Melinda and others didn't intervene... BW would've been dead by now. Landy would be dead...

..and Evan Landy would've owned exactly how much of BW's estate? No wonder he's pissy about the movie... If things had gone daddy's way, he could've afforded better shirts and wouldn't have to go hocking photos to the worst paper on the planet.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Slightly OT, but in the 70s, wasn't Carl involved with Werner Erhard and EST ?

Ah, just googled and yes, he took EST in 1974... along with Dennis ? 

[Andrew G. Doe]

Point of perspective: Carl died the member of a cult.

Wait....what?

He was a follower of John-Roger, the leader of a group called the Movement of Inner Spiritual Awareness. (Since we're all Daily Mail based in this thread, here's a story from the paper dredging up the worst of it: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2803264/MSIA-founder-Roger-Delano-Hinkins-dies-age-80.html.)

Carl wrote "Where I Belong" about him.

"Known as the 'Mystical Traveler' by his followers, who include Arianna Huffington and Carol Wilson of the Beach Boys before his death, the news of Hinkins' passing was published on his organizations website."

Who's Carol Wilson?   

Dennis' first wife. 

[phirnis]

Slightly OT, but in the 70s, wasn't Carl involved with Werner Erhard and EST ?

Ah, just googled and yes, he took EST in 1974... along with Dennis ? 

IIRC there's footage of Dennis talking to Alan about EST in Billy Hinsche's On Tour documentary film.

That said, at least the group did not advertise EST in public the way John Denver did.