Evan Landy makes an appearance ...

[drbeachboy]

It does make you wonder why they sought out Landy, not once, but twice. In hindsight, it really makes you wonder what the reasoning was in choosing him over real medical doctors.

I think if Brian was examined by, as you describe, real medical doctors, there is a good chance he would've been admitted to a rehab facility or a psychiatric hospital, or both. I am in no way judging Brian's family because I didn't walk in their shoes, but I think that they just couldn't face Brian being institutionalized (for a lot of reasons), so they brought the hospital TO Brian.

The only thing that throws a monkey wrench into my theory is that Brian WAS institutionalized for brief periods of time (in 1968 and 1978), so why not in 1975 and 1982? Maybe he was much more seriously ill and would've required a much longer, intense stay, and they (his family) couldn't face that. Again, not judging them.

Is that what happened when Melinda took him there? Yes, I am not judging either. It just struck me odd when she said that. It sounded like a very reasonable thing that could have been done. In hindsight, it definitely would have been better for Brian.

[jeffh]

Maybe everyone realized that Brian wouldn't stay in a rehab facility. Remember Dennis boltsed from his. I think at the time all involved thought that they were doing the right thing for Brian.

[Sheriff John Stone]

It does make you wonder why they sought out Landy, not once, but twice. In hindsight, it really makes you wonder what the reasoning was in choosing him over real medical doctors.

I think if Brian was examined by, as you describe, real medical doctors, there is a good chance he would've been admitted to a rehab facility or a psychiatric hospital, or both. I am in no way judging Brian's family because I didn't walk in their shoes, but I think that they just couldn't face Brian being institutionalized (for a lot of reasons), so they brought the hospital TO Brian.

The only thing that throws a monkey wrench into my theory is that Brian WAS institutionalized for brief periods of time (in 1968 and 1978), so why not in 1975 and 1982? Maybe he was much more seriously ill and would've required a much longer, intense stay, and they (his family) couldn't face that. Again, not judging them.

Is that what happened when Melinda took him there? Yes, I am not judging either. It just struck me odd when she said that. It sounded like a very reasonable thing that could have been done. In hindsight, it definitely would have been better for Brian.

That's a tough one to answer, because I really don't want to go there. If I did, it would appear that I WAS judging Marilyn and Carl and others who were making the decisions, and I won't judge them.

In the case of Melinda, I think - repeat think - that there were two distinct differences. First, she was twenty years removed (mid-1970's to mid-1990's) from the "times" that Marilyn was living in, meaning that we knew more about drug rehab and mental illness. So Melinda had that advantage. But, it also appeared that Melinda was maybe more sophisticated or more "bottom line", and wasn't necessarily concerned about the negative stigma attached to drug rehab/mental illness. And, again, that's not a shot at Brian's 1970's/80's family.

[drbeachboy]

Maybe everyone realized that Brian wouldn't stay in a rehab facility. Remember Dennis boltsed from his. I think at the time all involved thought that they were doing the right thing for Brian.

I am sure they were thinking that way. It did kind of work the first time around.

[drbeachboy]

It does make you wonder why they sought out Landy, not once, but twice. In hindsight, it really makes you wonder what the reasoning was in choosing him over real medical doctors.

I think if Brian was examined by, as you describe, real medical doctors, there is a good chance he would've been admitted to a rehab facility or a psychiatric hospital, or both. I am in no way judging Brian's family because I didn't walk in their shoes, but I think that they just couldn't face Brian being institutionalized (for a lot of reasons), so they brought the hospital TO Brian.

The only thing that throws a monkey wrench into my theory is that Brian WAS institutionalized for brief periods of time (in 1968 and 1978), so why not in 1975 and 1982? Maybe he was much more seriously ill and would've required a much longer, intense stay, and they (his family) couldn't face that. Again, not judging them.

Is that what happened when Melinda took him there? Yes, I am not judging either. It just struck me odd when she said that. It sounded like a very reasonable thing that could have been done. In hindsight, it definitely would have been better for Brian.

That's a tough one to answer, because I really don't want to go there. If I did, it would appear that I WAS judging Marilyn and Carl and others who were making the decisions, and I won't judge them.

In the case of Melinda, I think - repeat think - that there were two distinct differences. First, she was twenty years removed (mid-1970's to mid-1990's) from the "times" that Marilyn was living in, meaning that we knew more about drug rehab and mental illness. So Melinda had that advantage. But, it also appeared that Melinda was maybe more sophisticated or more "bottom line", and wasn't necessarily concerned about the negative stigma attached to drug rehab/mental illness. And, again, that's not a shot at Brian's 1970's/80's family.

You are right, there was a stigma attached to it back then. Could be too that he wasn't diagnosed with same illness as he was in mid-1990's too.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

I always sigh whenever I read a 'only Landy could cure Brian' type comment. WTF? As horrific as Brian's issues were, they were still relatively moderate on the totum pole of mental illness. There are people out there with mental health problems waaaaaaaay beyond the scale of what Brian suffered/suffers.
That even a charlatan such as Landy could get Brian back to a relatively funtioning state in a matter of months just shows how treatable Brian's condition was.
That's the biggest tragedy of all this - how easily it could have been avoided.

Agreed.

The only thing that throws a monkey wrench into my theory is that Brian WAS institutionalized for brief periods of time (in 1968 and 1978), so why not in 1975 and 1982? Maybe he was much more seriously ill and would've required a much longer, intense stay, and they (his family) couldn't face that. Again, not judging them.

Both times, he was brought out early because of label commitments. That said, the 1968 stay has always mystified me. Several people said BW came out 'changed', but no idea what happened to actually require him to be institutionalized in the first place, when (like you pointed out) he was worse off later and WASN'T put in hospital. There's obviously a lot that none of us know.

[puni puni]

It's easy to assume that he waited until '68 to figure out where the voices in his head were coming from.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

It's easy to assume that he waited until '68 to figure out where the voices in his head were coming from.

The hell?!

[puni puni]

If he started to receive auditory hallucinations in mid-'65 and they only occurred once in a while (did he say once every few weeks?) you also have to take in account all the confusion of that era, the obvious stresses he had, and also the stigma of mental illness. So, about three years seems like just enough time to procrastinate.

It may have been more important to BW that he fulfill his obligations to Capitol and not get hung up in psychiatric care. Of the Smiley Smile era, he said that he believed he had no more paranoia feelings left. He may have been proved wrong by the early months of '68.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

If he started to receive auditory hallucinations in mid-'65 and they only occurred once in a while (did he say once every few weeks?) you also have to take in account all the confusion of that era, the obvious stresses he had, and also the stigma of mental illness. So, about three years seems like just enough time to procrastinate.

It may have been more important to BW that he fulfill his obligations to Capitol and not get hung up in psychiatric care. Of the Smiley Smile era, he said that he believed he had no more paranoia feelings left. He may have been proved wrong by the early months of '68.

Ahhh...ok....that makes sense to me now.

[J.G. Dev]

He weirdly looks kind of like Brian. 

Love & Mercy: The Sequel
"Evan Landy mesmerizes as older Brian Wilson"

[Andrew G. Doe]

With that hairstyle, also looks a tad like Kim Jong Un.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

[John Malone]

Boy, oh boy. Couple of thoughts on this....

Incredibly sloppy journalism. Nothing new to see here. Just about everything Evan presents as the other side has already been told on multiple occasions. And, most of it is probably true. But, just about all of his examples of rebuttal occurred between 1982 and 1986, it seems.

The point of "Love and Mercy" is not to merely accuse Landy of such acts as throwing water on BW to get him out of bed. Anybody who believes that's the message of this film is very, very ignorant. It's the overall emotional, mental, and fiduciary abuse of someone in a position of authority and bound by ethical standards. We don't need to hear from Evan Landy to defend Landy against padlocking a refrigerator. How stupid. In addition, the photos are kind neat, but they are by no means any kind of smoking gun.

I am wondering about the genesis of this article. Did Evan reach out for some rebuttal publicity, or did the Mail track him down?  If the Mail initiated this, then they should have forked over a few bucks for the Wilson Project for a little primer, or at least found copies of the 1988 sanctions against Landy.....or at the very least, checked out the Diane Sawyer 1991 interviews on You Tube? In that event, maybe little Evan is just trying to remember the good stuff and not trouble himself with the unpleasant details of revising BW's will, among other things.

If Evan initiated this press, then by all means, he should be swiftly attacked and reminded from all quarters how much of a douche bag his dad and Alexandra are. And, from where I sit, VDP should be calling his attorney, because what Evan said is as actionable as it gets.

But overall, I was amazed that any news outlet would consider this a plausible response to the movie.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Well said, John!

[Wirestone]

Point of perspective: Carl died the member of a cult.

The Wilsons don't have a great track record in terms of recognizing charlatans.

[clack]

Point of perspective: Carl died the member of a cult.

The Wilsons don't have a great track record in terms of recognizing charlatans.

John-Roger was every bit as despicable as Landy.

[Autotune]

Point of perspective: Carl died the member of a cult.

The Wilsons don't have a great track record in terms of recognizing charlatans.

Dennis' association with Manson comes to mind also, although that got way out of hand early on.

I wonder the effect Roger had on Carl.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Point of perspective: Carl died the member of a cult.

Wait....what?

[Wirestone]

Point of perspective: Carl died the member of a cult.

Wait....what?

He was a follower of John-Roger, the leader of a group called the Movement of Inner Spiritual Awareness. (Since we're all Daily Mail based in this thread, here's a story from the paper dredging up the worst of it: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2803264/MSIA-founder-Roger-Delano-Hinkins-dies-age-80.html.)

Carl wrote "Where I Belong" about him.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Holy sh*t

Pardon the pun

[HeyJude]

I'm going to pretend "Where I Belong" is about something else.... Maybe one of Al's horses or something.....

[CenturyDeprived]

I'm going to pretend "Where I Belong" is about something else.... Maybe one of Al's horses or something.....

Yeah, seriously. I kinda wish I didn't know that. Ignorance is bliss sometimes. That John-Roger seems like a creepazoid to the max.

[Wirestone]

And I really don't mean to badmouth Carl -- or John-Roger for that matter, who by all accounts was better than, say, L. Ron Hubbard. It's just to point out that this is the level-headed "sane" Wilson brother we're talking about.

I think it's safe to say that there was a tendency for members of the group to look to a strong outside force to solve all their problems. Mike and the maharishi, the Wilsons with Jack Reilly, Landy, etc., etc. That's how they saw their lives and careers. Find a guy who knows what he's doing, and leave it to him. There's an expectation that someone else will know better, that someone else has it all figured out. Given that most of them became famous and wealthy in their teens (or shortly out of them), the BBs have never known a regular adult life, one in which you have to make tough decisions on your own, all the time.

The treatment approach Brian would have arguably benefited the most from -- a team-based approach with minimal medication, centered on Brian's needs and no one else's -- was anathema to them. Heck, it was probably anathema to him.

[CenturyDeprived]

And I really don't mean to badmouth Carl -- or John-Roger for that matter, who by all accounts was better than, say, L. Ron Hubbard. It's just to point out that this is the level-headed "sane" Wilson brother we're talking about.

I think it's safe to say that there was a tendency for members of the group to look to a strong outside force to solve all their problems. Mike and the maharishi, the Wilsons with Jack Reilly, Landy, etc., etc. That's how they saw their lives and careers. Find a guy who knows what he's doing, and leave it to him. There's an expectation that someone else will know better, that someone else has it all figured out. Given that most of them became famous and wealthy in their teens (or shortly out of them), the BBs have never known a regular adult life, one in which you have to make tough decisions on your own, all the time.

The treatment approach Brian would have arguably benefited the most from -- a team-based approach with minimal medication, centered on Brian's needs and no one else's -- was anathema to them. Heck, it was probably anathema to him.

Truth. That last paragraph really sums it up.