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« Reply #550 on: January 29, 2015, 03:45:26 AM »

Well that's a bummer
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« Reply #551 on: January 29, 2015, 03:58:33 AM »

Way to go fellas. Back to bickering about same  old same old.
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« Reply #552 on: January 29, 2015, 04:06:48 AM »

 Undecided    Just because he was hot headed (ok, rude initially too) doesn't mean what he said didn't have some merit.   
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« Reply #553 on: January 29, 2015, 04:39:36 AM »

Well, that's why we can't have nice things around here.
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« Reply #554 on: January 29, 2015, 04:45:32 AM »

It is always interesting to get the input of people who had personal experience.  Memories are flawed and it's OK to try and correct errors but not really easy to just dismiss everything on account of  some mistaken recollections.

I stayed out of this one but I read it and I'm sorry that Lorren has now decided not to post here any more.

As for his introduction of drugs to Brian, I recently read this: http://www.alternet.org/drugs/likely-cause-addiction-has-been-discovered-and-it-not-what-you-think   In a nutshell, it's drugs PLUS a bad environment that cause the problem.
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« Reply #555 on: January 29, 2015, 05:08:26 AM »

That'll enhance the Smiley Smile reputation. Roll Eyes

Not.
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« Reply #556 on: January 29, 2015, 05:29:06 AM »

Now, you can all think about the three mfers Ive tried to reveal here: Murry, well-known. Marilyn, not so well-known. And Mike, who is a mystery to most of you, and whom I wish I could have said more about. Im willing to accept the mistakes Ive made. I just wanted them to have to face their own perhaps for the first time.

Classy to the end.
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« Reply #557 on: January 29, 2015, 06:18:57 AM »

Oh come on...

Isn't there anyone who can tell me what Psychedelic Sounds was all about??
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« Reply #558 on: January 29, 2015, 07:09:41 AM »

Oh come on...

Isn't there anyone who can tell me what Psychedelic Sounds was all about??
This is a start, I suppose. Hopefully an erudite poster will jump in after that:

http://warnakeysbeachboysblog.blogspot.nl/2007/06/psychadelic-sounds.html
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« Reply #559 on: January 29, 2015, 07:21:56 AM »

I stayed out of posting in this thread. I was really torn about how I felt personally, but I knew that what Lorren talked about had to be said, and I tried to stay objective about it. Overall, it was kind of like David Leaf's thought. The thread could just as well have been called "Brian Wilson and the Four Assholes". It really is amazing to me that most of Brian's friends from that time frame think that way. With Daro at least, Al was the only one to come away clean through all of the posts. Must have been tough for Brian being stuck in between these two worlds. The forces from which each side was pulling must created a lot of confusion and tension in his piece of the world. His friends and family couldn't have been any more different.
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« Reply #560 on: January 29, 2015, 07:36:51 AM »

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Isn't there anyone who can tell me what Psychedelic Sounds was all about??
Uh, isn't Brian just goofing around? I don't get what's so mysterious about it. He loves music and records weird stuff when he's stoned. Maybe some of the ideas filtered in later during Smile sessions.
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« Reply #561 on: January 29, 2015, 07:41:36 AM »

Honestly (and this is a bit of an aside), I think Smile mysteries are played out. If you read all of the interviews and listen the music, pretty much everything there is to know is already out there. At this point, the only mysteries left are perhaps figuring out EXACTLY what Brian thought on a specific day about how the songs should be sequenced. Which, of course, we'll never know, and I don't think it's that important. I don't think Brian ever had an exact sequence down and it appears the Smile back covers were printed more out of exasperation by the record label than anything else.
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« Reply #562 on: January 29, 2015, 07:56:00 AM »

Mr. Cohen (or anyone who may have a sense of what happened),

There are a few SMiLE mysteries that I hope to better understand.

Did VDP quit in early March of 67?
Was it the plan for so much of March to be devoted to Carl's Tune X, or did Brian temporarily bail until April?
Did VDP return in early April, only to quit again?
Did Brian purposely remove VDP lyrics (three score and five, stripped the stalk, or changing He Gives Speeched to She's Goin Bald) because VDP quit? Or were they merely "evolutions" of Brian's whims?

If I am interpreting the SMiLE Sessions recording info correctly (per the accompanying box set book), it would seem that VDP was present through the early March HV sessions and returned briefly for the April Vega sessions. Was this intended, or did he quit, change his mind briefly, and quit again? If he quit, did it derail Brian, thus Tune X was fiddled with while waiting for Brian to return?

Any insight is greatly appreciated in advance.
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« Reply #563 on: January 29, 2015, 08:34:29 AM »

I think things began to change when Van Dyke made his opinion of my crusade clear. The Thread began to thin out at that point.

Seems I missed what VDP said. What exactly was his opinion?
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« Reply #564 on: January 29, 2015, 08:54:11 AM »

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Isn't there anyone who can tell me what Psychedelic Sounds was all about??
Uh, isn't Brian just goofing around? I don't get what's so mysterious about it. He loves music and records weird stuff when he's stoned. Maybe some of the ideas filtered in later during Smile sessions.

Nah man!! Each sketch was based on hieroglyphics hidden on each of the US bills of the time (1, 5, 10, 50, 100), and rumors have circulated for years about the code hidden within the Psycodelic Sound skits that can be used to translate the hieroglyphics into coordinates that lead to the Wilson's treasure chest.

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« Reply #565 on: January 29, 2015, 08:59:51 AM »

Mr. Cohen (or anyone who may have a sense of what happened),

There are a few SMiLE mysteries that I hope to better understand.

Did VDP quit in early March of 67?
Was it the plan for so much of March to be devoted to Carl's Tune X, or did Brian temporarily bail until April?
Did VDP return in early April, only to quit again?
Did Brian purposely remove VDP lyrics (three score and five, stripped the stalk, or changing He Gives Speeched to She's Goin Bald) because VDP quit? Or were they merely "evolutions" of Brian's whims?

If I am interpreting the SMiLE Sessions recording info correctly (per the accompanying box set book), it would seem that VDP was present through the early March HV sessions and returned briefly for the April Vega sessions. Was this intended, or did he quit, change his mind briefly, and quit again? If he quit, did it derail Brian, thus Tune X was fiddled with while waiting for Brian to return?

Any insight is greatly appreciated in advance.

It's my understanding that VDP quit in January, then returned briefly in March then quit for good.

If Brian were to scrap his lyrics as a passive aggressive gesture then he'd have to scrap the whole album (which, I guess he did) I think he just didn't like those particular lyrics after awhile. The reconnected telephone lyrics for Cabin Essence too.

Not sure about Tune X. My intuition is Carl was trying to make something for the album to help speed things along since it was already a solid 4 months later with no end in sight. Who knows.

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Isn't there anyone who can tell me what Psychedelic Sounds was all about??
Uh, isn't Brian just goofing around? I don't get what's so mysterious about it. He loves music and records weird stuff when he's stoned. Maybe some of the ideas filtered in later during Smile sessions.

Well, that's been the primary interpretation thus far, but I don't buy it. I think the chants and crazy sound collages (Basketball Sounds, Bob Gordon's Trip) were experiments he'd planned to tinker with more in the future, either for SMiLE or something else. I think certain skits like the Vegetable Fight, George Fell, Taxi Cabber and maybe Smog, were intended to be trimmed down and used as links between certain tracks on SMiLE. Some of the other conversations were probably working ideas that were dropped. And then some things, like the Lifeboat Tape, are definitely just goofing off.

I'd hoped to get clarification or contradiction about this from Brian or Daro. Without their input though, this is my best guess.

Honestly (and this is a bit of an aside), I think Smile mysteries are played out. If you read all of the interviews and listen the music, pretty much everything there is to know is already out there. At this point, the only mysteries left are perhaps figuring out EXACTLY what Brian thought on a specific day about how the songs should be sequenced. Which, of course, we'll never know, and I don't think it's that important. I don't think Brian ever had an exact sequence down and it appears the Smile back covers were printed more out of exasperation by the record label than anything else.

Yes and no. And this goes beyond the sequence.

Based on what is out there, I think we can make pretty good assumptions for the ultimate plan of each track. But then we could be completely wrong and there'd be no way to know. The biggest mystery for me at this point, is the psychedelic sounds and how, if at all, they'd tie into it. If they were included, it'd *completely* change the character of the album.
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« Reply #566 on: January 29, 2015, 09:00:44 AM »

I think things began to change when Van Dyke made his opinion of my crusade clear. The Thread began to thin out at that point.

Seems I missed what VDP said. What exactly was his opinion?

Something about root beer, right?
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« Reply #567 on: January 29, 2015, 09:02:47 AM »

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I think certain skits like the Vegetable Fight, George Fell, Taxi Cabber and maybe Smog, were intended to be trimmed down and used as links between certain tracks on SMiLE.

Why? Has Brian ever mentioned the psycodelic sounds since??
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« Reply #568 on: January 29, 2015, 09:08:24 AM »

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I think certain skits like the Vegetable Fight, George Fell, Taxi Cabber and maybe Smog, were intended to be trimmed down and used as links between certain tracks on SMiLE.

Why? Has Brian ever mentioned the psycodelic sounds since??

No. I was hoping to get confirmation or denial, but he didn't answer me.

Veggies, George, Brian fell into a Piano and Moaning laughter were all included on the boxset tho, and the veggie fight and chants were on Hawthorne. Brian said there'd be spoken word humour on the album and I believe floated the idea of recording a bar fight for h&v. It's not *that* crazy to think that maybe some of these ideas were serious, and not just goofing around. I don't think he'd waste Hal's time or the other session musicians who did George Fell.
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« Reply #569 on: January 29, 2015, 09:11:57 AM »

Things I learned from this thread

Lorren Daro takes Cialis.
Lorren has festered a nasty, irrational hatred for Marilyn for 50 years.
Through the lyrics of Mike Love, Brian wrote Good Vibrations for Lorren's wife.
For an under educated, working class square from Hawthorne, Al Jardine was okay.
Lorren is chickenshit to say anything about Mike Love.
People can be the reason other people get divorced from their wives, even if they haven't seen each other for over 12 years.
Like 99.999999% of the population, Lorren doesn't know who David Marks is.
A 2 year old child getting clubbed round the head with a 2x4 will only make the child half deaf and not, as you'd expect, send them on a one way trip to the morgue.
Lorren will do anything for a dear friend except wish to see them again if they start showing signs of a stress induced breakdown.
Lorren sweats a lot when in LA.
Lorren will make zero attempt to engage Brian Wilson in conversation when both men are on the board at the same time.
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« Reply #570 on: January 29, 2015, 09:17:58 AM »

Things I learned from this thread

Lorren Daro takes Cialis.
Lorren has festered a nasty, irrantional hatred for Marilyn for 50 years.
Through the lyrics of Mike Love, Brian wrote Good Vibrations for Lorren's wife.
For an under educated, working class square from Hawthorne, Al Jardine was okay.
Lorren is chickenshit to say anything about Mike Love.
People can be the reason other people get divorced from their wives, even if they haven't seen each other for over 12 years.
Like 99.999999% of the population, Lorren doesn't know who David Marks is.
A 2 year old child getting clubbed round the head with a 2x4 with only make the child half deaf and not, as you'd expect, send them on a one way trip to the morgue.
Lorren will do anything for a dear friend except wish to see them again if they start showing signs of a stress induced breakdown.
Lorren sweats a lot when in LA.
Lorren will make zero attempt to engage Brian Wilson in conversation when both men are on the board at the same time.

Not to beat a dead horse too much, but yeah that about sums it up.

I tried giving him another chance when he came back, but the man said absolutely nothing of value whatsoever and had a nasty, bitter attitude to boot. Some will lament the loss, after all he was "there" and apparently that's all that matters no matter how awful of a person or unreliable a witness you are, but all in all...no great loss.

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« Reply #571 on: January 29, 2015, 09:20:42 AM »

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Why? Has Brian ever mentioned the psycodelic sounds since??
Right. We make up all these crazy hypotheticals with nary a shred of real evidence and assume Brian would know exactly what we're talking about. It's very possible that in a flight of fancy he may have considered throwing a skit on the album. Someone (others, I'm sure, will remember exactly who that was) said Brian wanted to record a bar fight, and from the way it was explained it seems he was considering throwing that fight or recreation of it onto H&V.  Others report that Brian would be doing weird sound experiments with friends and say stuff like "this should be on the album", but no one knew if he was serious or not.

So what's the mystery? I don't think Brian ever had a definitive track list, and he's never going to say "yes, 'Gorge Fell' would've gone onto the second part of 'Surf's Up'". You really think he would? He didn't know. Maybe he thought it for a second and forgot about it.

The vibe I get was that Brian was recording all kinds of stuff and assumed it'd come together as an album, just like "GV" did as a song. When that didn't happen as quickly as he thought it would, he seemingly panicked under the pressure of a release date. He tried to cobble together a single to give himself time, but couldn't do that to his satisfaction. And so the project collapsed.

Again, what's the mystery? Exactly how much some objections from the BBs added to his panic?
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« Reply #572 on: January 29, 2015, 09:23:28 AM »

I don't think he'd waste Hal's time or the other session musicians 

One time Brian assembled a full session of musicians, said hello, and then dismissed them  Cool
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« Reply #573 on: January 29, 2015, 09:27:14 AM »

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Why? Has Brian ever mentioned the psycodelic sounds since??
Right. We make up all these crazy hypotheticals with nary a shred of real evidence and assume Brian would know exactly what we're talking about. It's very possible that in a flight of fancy he may have considered throwing a skit on the album. Someone (others, I'm sure, will remember exactly who that was) said Brian wanted to record a bar fight, and from the way it was explained it seems he was considering throwing that fight or recreation of it onto H&V.  Others report that Brian would be doing weird sound experiments with friends and say stuff like "this should be on the album", but no one knew if he was serious or not.

So what's the mystery? I don't think Brian ever had a definitive track list, and he's never going to say "yes, 'Gorge Fell' would've gone onto the second part of 'Surf's Up'". You really think he would? He didn't know. Maybe he thought it for a second and forgot about it.

The vibe I get was that Brian was recording all kinds of stuff and assumed it'd come together as an album, just like "GV" did as a song. When that didn't happen as quickly as he thought it would, he seemingly panicked under the pressure of a release date. He tried to cobble together a single to give himself time, but couldn't do that to his satisfaction. And so the project collapsed.

Again, what's the mystery? Exactly how much some objections from the BBs added to his panic?

Lighten up, fella. Just trying to get a feel for what may have been based on what we have. I'm not claiming to know for certain, and I'm certainly up for being proven wrong. Personally, I give Brian a bit more credit than just recording everything Willy nilly with no plan at all. I think there was some sense of a structure laid out, even if it wasn't set in stone and changed week by week.
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« Reply #574 on: January 29, 2015, 09:30:10 AM »

I don't think he'd waste Hal's time or the other session musicians 

One time Brian assembled a full session of musicians, said hello, and then dismissed them  Cool

Because of bad vibes. Yes, I've heard that story. But in this case, the vibes were good. Good enough to record a funny skit. And listening to the whole 22 minutes, Brian actually *does* sound focused like he knows exactly how he wants the conversation to go. Not word for word, of course, but there are definitely "phases" of the argument he wants to get on tape and is fairly specific about.
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