AGD banned?

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Nothing really, sadly. Thankfully that doesn't really happen too often.

[Jay]

I want to make it clear that I do not condone or approve of the actions taken by Ethan in the past. My beef was and is the fact that Ethan was permanently banned for making a remark in this thread that I thought was an obviously sarcastic attempt at humor. Yes, it was in very bad taste. But he wouldn't have made that comment had he not felt like he was being backed into a corner. What he said and did in another thread is in the past. It happened, and can't be taken back. The issue is what he said in this particular thread. He wasn't overly abusive

Stephen, you obviously have every right to be angry, upset and hurt, as you were affected by Ethan's actions in a much more personal way. And before anybody says it, I'm not forgetting about pixletwin. I feel terrible that a child was affected in a way such as this. At this point, I have to confess to not having actually seen what was posted, but I imagine it was pretty horrid. After going over my posts to you in this thread, I realize just how harsh I was being. I apologize to you. I wasn't trying to make you seem like the bad guy, and I wasn't trying to defend Ethan for the actions that upset you so deeply. I apologize if you misunderstood me. I apologize for not wording my post in a better way. It just really annoyed me that Ethan was banned after making a sarcastic comment in reply to quite a few posts from you and The Real Beach Boy about his past behavior. I felt(and still feel) that the events of the past were being unfairly used against him as grounds for a permanent ban.

Alright, I apologize to every single person reading this thread. This place gives me a headache.  

[SMiLE Brian]

Jay, you were lucky not to see the pictures of the dead bodies and gore. They were some of the most horrifying images I have ever seen.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

I want to make it clear that I do not condone or approve of the actions taken by Ethan in the past. My beef was and is the fact that Ethan was permanently banned for making a remark in this thread that I thought was an obviously sarcastic attempt at humor. Yes, it was in very bad taste. But he wouldn't have made that comment had he not felt like he was being backed into a corner. What he said and did in another thread is in the past. It happened, and can't be taken back. The issue is what he said in this particular thread. He wasn't overly abusive

Stephen, you obviously have every right to be angry, upset and hurt, as you were affected by Ethan's actions in a much more personal way. And before anybody says it, I'm not forgetting about pixletwin. I feel terrible that a child was affected in a way such as this. At this point, I have to confess to not having actually seen what was posted, but I imagine it was pretty horrid. After going over my posts to you in this thread, I realize just how harsh I was being. I apologize to you. I wasn't trying to make you seem like the bad guy, and I wasn't trying to defend Ethan for the actions that upset you so deeply. I apologize if you misunderstood me. I apologize for not wording my post in a better way. It just really annoyed me that Ethan was banned after making a sarcastic comment in reply to quite a few posts from you and The Real Beach Boy about his past behavior. I felt(and still feel) that the events of the past were being unfairly used against him as grounds for a permanent ban.

Alright, I apologize to every single person reading this thread. This place gives me a headache.  

That's fine Jay.   I really appreciate that. I enjoy your posts and hate falling out with people, especially someone like you who seems genuinely concerned about upsetting people. A valuable quality!

I've calmed down a bit now as well after all that excitement. We'll agree to differ on the ban, and in any other circumstance I'd probably agree with you.

[Jason]

Yeah, as far as I was concerned, as soon as he tried to blame us for the fact that he was going to off himself, enough was enough. Especially when he was going to try and make two parents feel guilty over their kids seeing his bullshit, like THEY were somehow responsible for him have flown wayyyyyyyy over the cuckoo's nest. That behavior is NOT tolerated on here and it will not be tolerated under my watch.

We've kept bans on people who have done stuff not even an iota as bad as what he did. He's a manipulative little sociopath. He'll get his one day.

[filledeplage]

Jay, you were lucky not to see the pictures of the dead bodies and gore. They were some of the most horrifying images I have ever seen.

Yes, they were horrific and shocking.  I think that the two posters at issue, are apples and oranges.  Ethan depicted graphic violent images, without a bona fide music nexus.  Andrew can be harsh, but his position isn't violence engendering, and he merely has a low boiling point for statements which are not fully researched.

It seems more a matter of "bedside manner" as we describe doctors in the US. Someone with "poor bedside manner" can be fact specific, and cryptic, rather than one who "holds your hand" before he or she cuts you open on the operating table. I'd rather someone better with the scalpel than his/her mouth if I am in surgery.  Give me Andrew any day.  My opinion.

Ethan's posts with graphic violence, whose images a child could see seems less defensible than Andrew's sometimes cryptic remarks.  Andrew is probably less cryptic in person.  And his scholarship merits being valued.  And he doesn't universally offend everyone.  He has little patience for knuckleheads.  A lot of lurkers as well as registered posters don't understand how depiction of graphic violence is the same banning standard as impertinence.  

[rab2591]

Should posters have continually reminded him of his previous f**kup? Probably not - especially since it's apparently something most of you want to forget.

But that's the point. His continued presence made it impossible to forget. And I didn't continually remind him of it. I've stayed quiet for a year. It wasn't till I read his posts on here blaming other people for his outburst and not accepting any responsibility for it that I had a "meltdown". Rightfully so!!

Anyway. Why the f*** am I defending my actions? I took a public stand against someone's abhorrent behaviour, albeit a year later.

I genuinely hope he gets the help he deserves, but a public forum is probably not the best place for someone with his tendencies.

Like Billy, I wasn't talking about you; I was speaking of the posters who continually reminded him of that incident. I'm sure living with aspergers is no cake walk, and he's obviously had some bad days....having to hear constantly about his f**kup was probably grating on his nerves a bit. I respect your feelings on this situation, and can't begin to fathom what it's like for your child to nearly see those pictures (or in Pixletwin's case, actually see them)...and I don't argue that you should be upset. But people who incessantly badgered him about the problem should've gone to the mods if they were truly pissed off....instead of bullying someone who has shown clear signs of disorder.

Anywho, it's all behind us, and I hope Ethan finds a balance in his life.

[Jason]

And as far as the comment by Jay about me banning Ethan because I was pissed off...don't even try to presume what my thinking process was when I made that decision. I did not ban him due to my being pissed off, although I certainly was pissed off at how he was trying to act like the innocent victim and blame others for his lack of mental coherence. I banned him because he was trying to manipulate other members into feeling bad for him - that is absolutely NOT going to be tolerated here under any circumstances.

I believe in second chances, sure...and reluctantly I agreed (with reservations) about letting him back on. The exchanges yesterday with him, pixletwin, and Stephen were the last straw. It was time to correct a mistake and I did it.

[Jason]

hey, unless you have a real life reputation[which I don't. I enjoy anonymity] you gotta kiss some ass around here if you wanna get something done AND avoid the banhammer. I have no issue with [supplication]. I'll swallow what I'm given to swallow.

Yeah, that's baloney, but you can believe what you want to believe.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

hey, unless you have a real life reputation[which I don't. I enjoy anonymity] you gotta kiss some ass around here if you wanna get something done AND avoid the banhammer. I have no issue with [supplication]. I'll swallow what I'm given to swallow.

Yeah, that's baloney, but you can believe what you want to believe.

wtf hal? That certainly doesn't apply to me....not sure whom you are referring to.

[drbeachboy]

To the Mods:

Anyone who is giving you sh*t, please disregard. There are always going to be people who disapprove of every action you take, good or bad. You guys volunteered to do this and I appreciate it. Believe me, you guys are way more tolerant than I would be in the circumstances you sometimes find yourselves in, in here. Overall, you all do a terrific job and have my deepest respect. Sail On...

[Jason]

Hey, it's not like we're self-fish or anything. #smh #fml #lulz #threeletteredinterwebsacronym

[Gertie J.]

speaking of acronyms, can you move runners' thread to the sandbox?

[Jason]

Thank you for reminding me; I had meant to move that earlier today. It has been done.

[runnersdialzero]

It's okay...no worries.


For those asking about Ian Wagner... as he threatened myself and my family he will never be back.

Do you suspect a lot of these people come back with a new name and (worryingly), a new persona? If they don't have a fixed IP address what can you really do to stop them? I'm always on the look out for Ghost's new incarnation

What did Ghost do wrong?

Also, Gertie, again, what's the deal?

[pixletwin]

It's okay...no worries.


For those asking about Ian Wagner... as he threatened myself and my family he will never be back.

Do you suspect a lot of these people come back with a new name and (worryingly), a new persona? If they don't have a fixed IP address what can you really do to stop them? I'm always on the look out for Ghost's new incarnation

What did Ghost do wrong?

Also, Gertie, again, what's the deal?

You have a stalker. 

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

It's okay...no worries.


For those asking about Ian Wagner... as he threatened myself and my family he will never be back.

Do you suspect a lot of these people come back with a new name and (worryingly), a new persona? If they don't have a fixed IP address what can you really do to stop them? I'm always on the look out for Ghost's new incarnation

What did Ghost do wrong?

Also, Gertie, again, what's the deal?

I just remember him being a post whore and a troll, but I can't remember what it was that got him banned. I remember he came back later under a different name.


According to the ban log, it was due to 'homophobic post'.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

It's okay...no worries.


For those asking about Ian Wagner... as he threatened myself and my family he will never be back.

Do you suspect a lot of these people come back with a new name and (worryingly), a new persona? If they don't have a fixed IP address what can you really do to stop them? I'm always on the look out for Ghost's new incarnation

What did Ghost do wrong?

Also, Gertie, again, what's the deal?

I liked Ghost. (For a while I thought you were Ghost, Runners, as there are similarities) He was banned because people thought he'd made a homophobic remark. He hadn't, but instead of clarifying this, he dug himself a deep hole.

I think Gertie *likes* you, that's why she's being mean.

[Jay]

Ghost was cool with me when we talked in PM. A little weird though. We talked about the schizophrenic artist Louis Wain. He said to me "that's the way I always see my cat. She scares the hell out of me".   

[Bicyclerider]

I start a thread about AGD being banned and in the thread another poster gets banned, permanently.  I never realized the sandbox is where all the action is!

[Heysaboda]

I start a thread about AGD being banned and in the thread another poster gets banned, permanently.  I never realized the sandbox is where all the action is!

Well, at least it didn't become a Mike-bashing thread!!!   

[Jay]

We can look at TRBB's avatar and pretend it did. 

[Jason]

That's a great avatar. 50th Anniversary Tour Mike.

[Jay]

Really? He looks pretty good. I would have guessed a date of around 1994 for that pic.

[Heysaboda]

When's AGD coming back?  I have a need to be insulted!