AGD banned?

[runnersdialzero]

He also made some kind of threat involving a bomb or something toward Phil Cohen. I appreciate the f*** out of everything the guy's done for the fanbase, but that in addition to the great number of outright mean-spirited insults towards several others here kind of crosses a line, to me.

I also remember getting in fights as a kid and saying to the other kid, "I kill you". Or Moe of the Three Stooges saying "I'll Murderlize you". We all say stuff that we have no intention of carrying out. I laugh in here, because when directed at someone else, people say to have a thick skin, but when directed straight at them they take offense.

The difference is, you were a kid and he's a 50 year old man.

Also, no, I never say "Have thick skin" and I wasn't the one being told my house was being bombed, but I still thought it was too much.

May I say something about Andrew? He has been a friend, mentor, and basically all around decent guy to me. Honestly he has real heart and I cannot tell you enough how rare that can be in our business.

I believe it, I just hope from now on he'll cool it with the really mean-spirited insults and threats.

[drbeachboy]

He also made some kind of threat involving a bomb or something toward Phil Cohen. I appreciate the f*** out of everything the guy's done for the fanbase, but that in addition to the great number of outright mean-spirited insults towards several others here kind of crosses a line, to me.

I also remember getting in fights as a kid and saying to the other kid, "I kill you". Or Moe of the Three Stooges saying "I'll Murderlize you". We all say stuff that we have no intention of carrying out. I laugh in here, because when directed at someone else, people say to have a thick skin, but when directed straight at them they take offense.

The difference is, you were a kid and he's a 50 year old man.

Also, no, I never say "Have thick skin" and I wasn't the one being told my house was being bombed, but I still thought it was too much.

May I say something about Andrew? He has been a friend, mentor, and basically all around decent guy to me. Honestly he has real heart and I cannot tell you enough how rare that can be in our business.

I believe it, I just hope from now on he'll cool it with the really mean-spirited insults and threats.

I also hope that we discuss more intelligently in here. You have to admit that some really stupid sh*t goes on in here, and this is why tempers get lost.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

He also made some kind of threat involving a bomb or something toward Phil Cohen. I appreciate the f*** out of everything the guy's done for the fanbase, but that in addition to the great number of outright mean-spirited insults towards several others here kind of crosses a line, to me.

I also remember getting in fights as a kid and saying to the other kid, "I kill you". Or Moe of the Three Stooges saying "I'll Murderlize you". We all say stuff that we have no intention of carrying out. I laugh in here, because when directed at someone else, people say to have a thick skin, but when directed straight at them they take offense.

The difference is, you were a kid and he's a 50 year old man.

Also, no, I never say "Have thick skin" and I wasn't the one being told my house was being bombed, but I still thought it was too much.

May I say something about Andrew? He has been a friend, mentor, and basically all around decent guy to me. Honestly he has real heart and I cannot tell you enough how rare that can be in our business.

I believe it, I just hope from now on he'll cool it with the really mean-spirited insults and threats.

I also hope that we discuss more intelligently in here. You have to admit that some really stupid sh*t goes on in here, and this is why tempers get lost.

I agree completely.

[oldsurferdude]

If you can't deal with a message board, just what can you deal with? Get a grip for Christ's sake. None of this crap is effin rocket science and it sure isn't gonna wipe cancer away. I find the agdster more of a comedian than anything else. It's so damn cool to see his panties bunch up-and you know it's gonna happen sooner than later.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

I dunno...maybe it's me, but I prefer to treat people online how I would treat them in 'real life'.

[drbeachboy]

If you can't deal with a message board, just what can you deal with? Get a grip for Christ's sake. None of this crap is effin rocket science and it sure isn't gonna wipe cancer away. I find the agdster more of a comedian than anything else. It's so damn cool to see his panties bunch up-and you know it's gonna happen sooner than later.

So, this is why you are here? If we have intelligent, respectful discussions, then we don't have to argue and piss each other off. You have great stuff to add when you stay on topic, but you get so hung up on your bashing of Mike that every thread winds up degenerating. I would just ignore it if it was just a couple of topics, but it goes on in every thread. Hell, you have been banned a few times, yet you persist in the same activity. Quite a few of us have lost our tempers more than once, and most of the name calling comes through frustration from going around in circles.

[Shady]

The brilliant musicians of smiley smile should record a cover of "Brian's back" for AGD's much anticipated return

"They say that Andrew is back
Well i’ve known him for oh so long
They say Andrew is back
Well i never knew that he was gone

Still they say Andrew is back
I know he’s had his ups and downs
They say Andrew is back
But in my heart he’s always been around"

[oldsurferdude]

If you can't deal with a message board, just what can you deal with? Get a grip for Christ's sake. None of this crap is effin rocket science and it sure isn't gonna wipe cancer away. I find the agdster more of a comedian than anything else. It's so damn cool to see his panties bunch up-and you know it's gonna happen sooner than later.

So, this is why you are here? If we have intelligent, respectful discussions, then we don't have to argue and piss each other off. You have great stuff to add when you stay on topic, but you get so hung up on your bashing of Mike that every thread winds up degenerating. I would just ignore it if it was just a couple of topics, but it goes on in every thread. Hell, you have been banned a few times, yet you persist in the same activity. Quite a few of us have lost our tempers more than once, and most of the name calling comes through frustration from going around in circles

[Jay]

I think this place needs to be taken offline for a week or two. All of us are spending way to much time with each other and need a break. Having this place "taken away" from us might also serve as an effective "warning" of what can happen if we don't respect each other and the rules of this board.

[smile-holland]

For a doctor you don't read so well-never got banned for bashing mYke luHve. But I do see that you read my posts. I'll bash that jackass whenever and wherever I can and if you or anyone else doesn't like it, oh well. Don't like it here then move on to another hospital and don't read or reply to my posts from this point on.

Wrong, OSD. You DID get banned once already for crossing a line when you named ML’s wife and daughter a bunch of whores (and that alone was probably worth way more than just a 1-week ban, so consider yourself very lucky). Whether intentionally or not, with your unorthodox way of posting, you should have been aware that you are taking risks with your continuous negative ML posts.

For all of you here:
It’s very simple: if you decide to post here, we expect that you have read the rules of this board, and that you have the decency to apply to these rules. And even then - despite these rules - we do allow a lot on this board. In fact, if the moderators would strictly follow these rules then we’d probably have (temporary) banned at least 10 more members these last couple of months.

In case you forgot them, I’ve quoted the board’s rules at the end of my post. You’ll see that rules # 2 and 4 (and 5) aren’t always supported by measurable tools. Therefore it’s up to the moderators to make a judgment if a certain member has broken one or more rules, And that judgment doesn’t have to be made on one particular post, but can also be based on a series of posts. So, when it comes to acting on the negative vibe or intentionally derailing on some of the topics (which happens a lot lately), the moderators will see what caused it, who caused it, if it’s crossing a line, and if there’s a pattern.

For instance: AGD got banned for making a rude comment. It might have looked like as this ban happened totally out of the blue, but the sometimes rude personal approach had happened quite a few times before, and this particular post was the last straw, so to speak.
If you call Mike Love a "jackass", because you think he is, fine; it's your opinion, be happy with it. If you decide to post that same message 20 times in a row in different topics, even if the topic doesn't give any reason to spread that message, then it's not fine

On one thing the rules are VERY clear: if you cross a line and a ban is in order, a 1st ban lasts a week, a 2nd ban a month, and a 3rd ban is permanent. If one continues to misbehave, don’t say you didn’t know the potential consequences.

@ OSD:
No, apart from the abovementioned case, you weren’t banned for making your not-so-occasional ML bashing; and that goes for other members here as well. One can be critical here on one of the members of our favorite band. There’s no rule on our board prohibiting that. The recent rumours that the moderators are acting like brianista’s and therefore are threatening anti-Mike viewers with a ban is simply not true.

But in light of – I quote –

Lift each other up, don't tear each other down.
…
Please behave and not be an embarrassment to the good name of Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys.
…
Anyone who becomes a cause for concern due to rude or abusive behavior may have their accounts temporarily frozen and their private and public messages examined to see what final actions should be taken.  

you should be aware that your behavior is closely screened. IMO you are on your way to become the next Phil Cohen here. And mean as in “type of behavior”. As you know Phil wasn’t banned for making just one single tiny little negative remark. It was after a process of continuously questioning Beach Boys, management and record company decisions on delaying or not releasing new/unreleased BB-product, which caused a very negative vibe on this board. A similar negative vibe occurs now on several topics regarding the position of behavior of ML (from nowadays or in the past), even if the original poster’s intentions with that topic were totally different (the “BB's at TAGS NY” is good example of that). I’m not saying you’re the only one doing so, but you’re one of them. If you (or someone else) continue to derail topics into a new anti Mike Love statement, you can expect there to be a moment that the moderators decide enough-is-enough.

O and, by the way, telling another member to have a big skin and accept the fact that you would have the right to either ruin or derail his/her potentially good topic, is not an excuse for such behavior. If I (or one of the other mods) notice that your (or someone else’s) behavior is also resulting in several other members – who do have the intention to have a constructive discussion on this board – to leave this board then I will take action.

To close this lecture: we all became members of this board because we are fans of the Beach Boys. We do have different views, sometimes extremely different views, but that makes this board an interesting place for a discussion. We don’t have to agree with each other, as long we can accept each other different points of view, and as long as the bottom line is that we still all have that shared passion for their music. And if we all try to show our respect towards the other fans here, things should go just fine here.

We (moderators) are fans as well. And we don’t like to having to act on unwelcome behaviour. Some of those who were banned I actually respect a lot. I do not ban a member because I want to, or think it’s fun, of because I don’t like that particular member. I do that because it’s necessary to show what the limits are on this board to both the “banned one” and the other members. If I don’t do that, I might as well stop moderating this board at all.

Thanks for visiting the Smiley Smile message board. Here are a few guidelines to help everything run smoothly:

1) Joe, SMiLE-Holland, Jason, and  Billy C moderate the board.  They share that responsibility across the entire board.  In the few and rare times a member crosses the line, they will be able to remove or edit posts, and ban members if necessary.  Any complaints about a member or a post should be directed to them.  If after contacting them you are not satisfied, you then should contact me.  They, however, should always be your first line of contact concerning this board, and you will find I intend to support them in their roles.

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[Jason]

I think this place needs to be taken offline for a week or two. All of us are spending way to much time with each other and need a break. Having this place "taken away" from us might also serve as an effective "warning" of what can happen if we don't respect each other and the rules of this board.

The last time the site was down the membership was rolling around in the fucking fetal position sucking their thumbs wondering where the board went...

[filledeplage]

The brilliant musicians of smiley smile should record a cover of "Brian's back" for AGD's much anticipated return

"They say that Andrew is back
Well i’ve known him for oh so long
They say Andrew is back
Well i never knew that he was gone

Still they say Andrew is back
I know he’s had his ups and downs
They say Andrew is back
But in my heart he’s always been around"

That is funny, in an ocean of angst...

You know the drill, Shady...

It's Friday - Smiley Brew day...

Frosty!   

[Heysaboda]

The brilliant musicians of smiley smile should record a cover of "Brian's back" for AGD's much anticipated return

"They say that Andrew is back
Well i’ve known him for oh so long
They say Andrew is back
Well i never knew that he was gone

Still they say Andrew is back
I know he’s had his ups and downs
They say Andrew is back
But in my heart he’s always been around"

Yes they say Andrew is back
We don't know where he was goin'
So they say Andrew is back
Maybe he went to see Phil Cohen?

 

[pixletwin]

I think this place needs to be taken offline for a week or two. All of us are spending way to much time with each other and need a break. Having this place "taken away" from us might also serve as an effective "warning" of what can happen if we don't respect each other and the rules of this board.

The last time the site was down the membership was rolling around in the fucking fetal position sucking their thumbs wondering where the board went...

The board was gone for an hour and I broke out into the cold sweat. 

[filledeplage]

The brilliant musicians of smiley smile should record a cover of "Brian's back" for AGD's much anticipated return

"They say that Andrew is back
Well i’ve known him for oh so long
They say Andrew is back
Well i never knew that he was gone

Still they say Andrew is back
I know he’s had his ups and downs
They say Andrew is back
But in my heart he’s always been around"

Yes they say Andrew is back
We don't know where he was goin'
So they say Andrew is back
Maybe he went to see Phil Cohen?
 
 

And two   

For you !   

[EthanJames]

Wow, wasn't he banned twice already? I remember back in May he had an outburst (again) but apologized for his actions. He seems to get angry a lot with people he doesn't agree with for some reason

[RangeRoverA1]

I don't remember & don't want to remember when & how many bans Mr. Doe had in total. I'm not interested in it, it's moderators' business. I think they did the right decision to stop his arrogant attitude/insults towards the other posters. Just because he's a BBs historian (for that I respect him), doesn't mean he must talk with average people the way he did, yet completely get away with the rules of the board, as if they don't concern him. I'm all for equality & fairness , i.e. either all must be punished for doing the same exact thing or no one. But the reality is, if it were someone else - not Mr. Doe - you'd be all against their behavior, complaining, being angry/strict to them and so on. Sad fact indeed - both in the Internet & in real life.

As for the thick skin, well yes, I agree that everyone needs to have one, but let's not forget that Mr. Doe isn't thick-skinned enough, too. Or else how would you explain that he gets angry for really small & insignificant things?

[drbeachboy]

I don't remember & don't want to remember when & how many bans Mr. Doe had in total. I'm not interested in it, it's moderators' business. I think they did the right decision to stop his arrogant attitude/insults towards the other posters. Just because he's a BBs historian (for that I respect him), doesn't mean he must talk with average people the way he did, yet completely get away with the rules of the board, as if they don't concern him. I'm all for equality & fairness , i.e. either all must be punished for doing the same exact thing or no one. But the reality is, if it were someone else - not Mr. Doe - you'd be all against their behavior, complaining, being angry/strict to them and so on. Sad fact indeed - both in the Internet & in real life.

As for the thick skin, well yes, I agree that everyone needs to have one, but let's not forget that Mr. Doe isn't thick-skinned enough, too. Or else how would you explain that he gets angry for really small & insignificant things?

I'll say this much, in the beginning I used to come here to get away from the stresses that go on in my life. Anymore, many times this place can be just as or more stressful, which just shouldn't be. We supposedly come here to talk about the love that we here have in common with each other. I rarely feel the love. It's more of a bitch-fest about what we don't like. Hell, I'd rather deal with that with people who really don't like the Beach Boys much, or is that exactly what I am doing, hmmm?

[pixletwin]

Wow, wasn't he banned twice already? I remember back in May he had an outburst (again) but apologized for his actions. He seems to get angry a lot with people he doesn't agree with for some reason

You don't really have the right to judge AGD or really anyone on this board, IMO. AGD was never as antagonistic or flame-tastic as you where when you were banned.

[RangeRoverA1]

I'll say this much, in the beginning I used to come here to get away from the stresses that go on in my life. Anymore, many times this place can be just as or more stressful, which just shouldn't be. We supposedly come here to talk about the love that we here have in common with each other. I rarely feel the love. It's more of a bitch-fest about what we don't like. Hell, I'd rather deal with that with people who really don't like the Beach Boys much, or is that exactly what I am doing, hmmm?

I see your point, drbeachboy, but I was talking about Mr. Doe's situation & how fair it was of mods to ban him - it emphasized that rules are for everyone, regardless of status. Of course, I understand that some posters found friends here, have their favorites, gained much respect for somebody etc. but is it that difficult to treat each other equally? For example, I like hypehat, I think he's a very good poster, as well as a good musician. However, that won't stop me from objecting to him if I think he said sth. wrong or harsh. Or another example, oldsurferdude - as most of the Smiley Smilers, I don't favor his endless rants about Mike (& Bruce), but again, that won't stop me from quoting him if I liked some of his informative posts. I'll even say kind words to him when necessary. So, there's sth. good in everyone. Each of us can offer sth. useful to the board. I don't remember here that someone was being only good or only bad.

[Mike's Beard]

Wow, wasn't he banned twice already? I remember back in May he had an outburst (again) but apologized for his actions. He seems to get angry a lot with people he doesn't agree with for some reason

You don't really have the right to judge AGD or really anyone on this board, IMO. AGD was never as antagonistic or flame-tastic as you where when you were banned.

Would you be referring to the photos of dead mangled corpses Ethan posted and threats to track certain board members down, kill them and then chop their bodies up? If so you're right, he has no place to critise anybody, ever.

[Jason]

Wow, wasn't he banned twice already? I remember back in May he had an outburst (again) but apologized for his actions. He seems to get angry a lot with people he doesn't agree with for some reason

You don't really have the right to judge AGD or really anyone on this board, IMO. AGD was never as antagonistic or flame-tastic as you where when you were banned.

Would you be referring to the photos of dead mangled corpses Ethan posted and threats to track certain board members down, kill them and then chop their bodies up? If so you're right, he has no place to critise anybody, ever.

You aren't kidding. I've refused ban appeals for lesser offenses than his. Why this one was ever allowed back is beyond my comprehension, but hey. That's why the board has several moderators.

[drbeachboy]

I'll say this much, in the beginning I used to come here to get away from the stresses that go on in my life. Anymore, many times this place can be just as or more stressful, which just shouldn't be. We supposedly come here to talk about the love that we here have in common with each other. I rarely feel the love. It's more of a bitch-fest about what we don't like. Hell, I'd rather deal with that with people who really don't like the Beach Boys much, or is that exactly what I am doing, hmmm?

I see your point, drbeachboy, but I was talking about Mr. Doe's situation & how fair it was of mods to ban him - it emphasized that rules are for everyone, regardless of status. Of course, I understand that some posters found friends here, have their favorites, gained much respect for somebody etc. but is it that difficult to treat each other equally? For example, I like hypehat, I think he's a very good poster, as well as a good musician. However, that won't stop me from objecting to him if I think he said sth. wrong or harsh. Or another example, oldsurferdude - as most of the Smiley Smilers, I don't favor his endless rants about Mike (& Bruce), but again, that won't stop me from quoting him if I liked some of his informative posts. I'll even say kind words to him when necessary. So, there's sth. good in everyone. Each of us can offer sth. useful to the board. I don't remember here that someone was being only good or only bad.

I see all that, I really do. My issue is, is that I do not see the difference between calling somebody stupid and calling their posts stupid. Both infer the same thing about the poster. What AGD did was call the person stupid because he thought the post was stupid. See, we all call each other out, especially regarding dumb posts. You see it in here all the time. Hell, 3/4 of the members would be banned if this was enforced. It's in the way that we do it that we get away with it. Plus, he apologized to the individual, so I found the ban a bit extreme. I won't go against the Mods on this, as they did what they felt necessary to do. You have to have rules, but I'm just wondering for future infractions that the rules and punishments be reevaluated. Also, this thread was started for fun, some of us miss what Andrew has to offer and we're just showing our feelings about it.

[EthanJames]

Well i apologize for judging him, and i have apologized for my actions many times and i was antoginzed to what happened and lost it, and also most of you didnt even take it seriously, even after i was banned, it hurts me that even after i apologized this still goes on, like hell like everyone has problems, i was going threw alot and unfortanly had a meltdown.

[EthanJames]

And its been a year since that, and I've apologized many times for my actions and you don't see me acting like how i acted before and also, how many times have people apologized for saying something offensive or starting a fight and still continue?