AGD banned?

[pixletwin]

Well thanks for writing that, now i'm gonna hang myself...

See this is what irritates me about the guy. He writes stuff like this to get sympathy. Anyone who understood what they did would either stay away or apologize. But instead this guy fishes for more sympathy.

Edit: Just saw that RBB banned him.

[Jason]

I am not going to sit here and let a petulant little sh*t project his problems onto us AFTER the mods graciously let him come back (a decision I've long since regretted) after he pulled that ridiculous stunt.

Apologies for my tone, but this needs to be said. It's absolutely reprehensible what this guy did and that an innocent child had to see it.

[alf wiedersehen]

Obviously this person needs some help.

We should probably just give that some time to happen before he should be allowed back here.

[Jason]

He's not coming back on my watch. Absolutely not. You want this to happen again? Some guy who hates his life trying to make others feel shame for it? f*** that garbage. We gave him another shot and he blew it. It's over. End of conversation. Done. Finito.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

People kept bringing up what he did constantly. That doesn't excuse what he did initially (which was very, very wrong) but the constant harassment and bringing it up wasn't cool either. Until today, what issues were there with him since he returned? I do agree it is better if he isn't on the board any longer; it is obvious he has some severe personal issues he needs to work out. I will say though that this brought back some very unpleasant memories for me, as it seemed like some people were provoking him trying to get him to flip out on someone; I'd been bullied enough to know how it feels. It's not just 'oh I'm emo so I'm going to cut myself and listen to Good Charlotte hur hur hur'. Some days I'm amazed that I didn't end it when I had the chance numerous times. Thankfully, I was able to overcome that for the most part (although I do still have my moments, esp. over the past two years), but I have a major issue with this.

Just my two cents.

[drbeachboy]

Just ironic that a thread started to lessen a ban wound up getting another banned permanently.

[?]

People kept bringing up what he did constantly. That doesn't excuse what he did initially (which was very, very wrong) but the constant harassment and bringing it up wasn't cool either. Until today, what issues were there with him since he returned? I do agree it is better if he isn't on the board any longer; it is obvious he has some severe personal issues he needs to work out. I will say though that this brought back some very unpleasant memories for me, as it seemed like some people were provoking him trying to get him to flip out on someone; I'd been bullied enough to know how it feels. It's not just 'oh I'm emo so I'm going to cut myself and listen to Good Charlotte hur hur hur'. Some days I'm amazed that I didn't end it when I had the chance numerous times. Thankfully, I was able to overcome that for the most part (although I do still have my moments, esp. over the past two years), but I have a major issue with this.

Just my two cents.

I agree Billy.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

People kept bringing up what he did constantly. That doesn't excuse what he did initially (which was very, very wrong) but the constant harassment and bringing it up wasn't cool either. Until today, what issues were there with him since he returned? I do agree it is better if he isn't on the board any longer; it is obvious he has some severe personal issues he needs to work out. I will say though that this brought back some very unpleasant memories for me, as it seemed like some people were provoking him trying to get him to flip out on someone; I'd been bullied enough to know how it feels. It's not just 'oh I'm emo so I'm going to cut myself and listen to Good Charlotte hur hur hur'. Some days I'm amazed that I didn't end it when I had the chance numerous times. Thankfully, I was able to overcome that for the most part (although I do still have my moments, esp. over the past two years), but I have a major issue with this.

Just my two cents.

Whoa there. Read my posts again. My daughter nearly saw those pictures. Pixeltwins child did. We have every right to be angry. I have every sympathy for people with depression. I've been there myself. When that depression leads to posting pictures that could harm children though, my sympathy ends. Don't you dare accuse me of bullying him. What about MY feelings, and others who were very affected over what he posted? He gets to waltz around here as if nothing happened. Every time I see his name I see those pictures in my head. Traumatized may be too strong a word, but it definitely deeply affected me.

I was not bullying him or provoking him. I was expressing my anger towards him, in a way that was cathartic and helpful to me.

And my final word. CHILD SAFETY COMES FIRST. That is not up for discussion or debate. If him reading about our experiences makes him aware of the impact of hat he did (which he obviously wasn't) then this is good. A big part of recovering form depression means - as you yanks like to say - owning your sh*t. When you keep transferring everything that's wrong with your life onto other people, you're never going to get better, are you?

[Jay]

People kept bringing up what he did constantly. That doesn't excuse what he did initially (which was very, very wrong) but the constant harassment and bringing it up wasn't cool either. Until today, what issues were there with him since he returned? I do agree it is better if he isn't on the board any longer; it is obvious he has some severe personal issues he needs to work out. I will say though that this brought back some very unpleasant memories for me, as it seemed like some people were provoking him trying to get him to flip out on someone; I'd been bullied enough to know how it feels. It's not just 'oh I'm emo so I'm going to cut myself and listen to Good Charlotte hur hur hur'. Some days I'm amazed that I didn't end it when I had the chance numerous times. Thankfully, I was able to overcome that for the most part (although I do still have my moments, esp. over the past two years), but I have a major issue with this.

Just my two cents.

I agree totally. I agree what he did was unacceptable and probably shouldn't have been forgiven. His final two posts on this thread were probably a sarcastic and ill thought out attempt at humor. But as distasteful as those posts were, they don't warrant a ban. He didn't do ANYTHING to provoke anybody in this particular thread. He shouldn't be given and immediate and permanent ban just because TRBB got pissed off. Isn't that quite similar to the AGD discussion? Somebody who perhaps may not always deserve it gets abuse thrown at him in an overly extreme reaction by somebody who is just pissed off.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if this post gets ME banned. 

[Iron Horse-Apples]

He threatened suicide, not only to garner sympathy, but to make those who are rightfully angry about what he did look bad. Threatening suicide is emotional abuse. Abuse is a ban-able offense.

[Jay]

So, your continued bitching about the guy and provoking him is acceptable? I get that the guy did a disgusting thing that nearly affected your daughter, and I'm very glad it didn't. But wouldn't it be more productive for you to have sent the guy a private message, explaining in detail just how upset it made you, and how it almost affected an innocent child?

[halblaineisgood]

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[Gertie J.]

butt kisser.

[halblaineisgood]

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[?]

And my final word. CHILD SAFETY COMES FIRST.

Doesn't that come down more to parental responsibility than anything else?  This is the internet.  Anything can happen at any time.  Anybody could post anything on this board and it would be there until a mod catches it.

[Mike's Beard]

Ian Wagner was a big a wacko as Ethan, I wouldn't bet money on him ever coming back.

Ethan was very lucky he was allowed back. It's not like he was given grief over his past actions everytime he posted. The reason his post in this thread caused a shitstorm is simple, he should have realised that he was in no position to criticize other posters behaviour ever, even if it was relatively mild criticisim - he'd lost that privilege.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

And my final word. CHILD SAFETY COMES FIRST.

Doesn't that come down more to parental responsibility than anything else?  This is the internet.  Anything can happen at any time.  Anybody could post anything on this board and it would be there until a mod catches it.

Since then, I don't go on here when she's around. Prior to that,(and obviously naively) I considered a Beach Boys site a safe place to browse while she's around.

As I'm sure you'll agree though, parental responsibility involves teaching safety online, (as the internet is a fact of life), rather than prohibition. It was a big wake up call to me to see that people can and do post stuff like that on a public and seemingly innocuous forum. As I can't filter out access to public sites such as this, then complaining about this poster and finally seeing him removed is me being a responsible parent.
 

So, your continued bitching about the guy and provoking him is acceptable? I get that the guy did a disgusting thing that nearly affected your daughter, and I'm very glad it didn't. But wouldn't it be more productive for you to have sent the guy a private message, explaining in detail just how upset it made you, and how it almost affected an innocent child?

Sorry you see it as bitching. As I've explained, it deeply affected me. If you're cutting him slack for being disturbed enough to post them publicly, perhaps cut me some slack for feeling the need to reprimand him publicly.

And to be honest, I think anyone who looks at / seeks out /  posts pictures like that has psychopathic tenancies. I would have felt very uncomfortable contacting him privately. I felt safer doing so out in the open, so to speak. How was I to know he wouldn't respond to my PM with more horrific, vile pictures?

Anyway, polite replies over. I'm drawing a line here. Anyone who wants to defend him and paint me as the bad guy is someone I consider hostile towards me.

Anyway, I'm taking my daughter to the park now, and pretend we don't live in an insane world where people who commit horrible acts aren't fawned over and pitied, and those who speak out against them aren't criticised. Think I'll listen to some Pet Sounds. I have a feeling Brian Wilson would know what I'm talking about!

[rab2591]

People kept bringing up what he did constantly. That doesn't excuse what he did initially (which was very, very wrong) but the constant harassment and bringing it up wasn't cool either. Until today, what issues were there with him since he returned? I do agree it is better if he isn't on the board any longer; it is obvious he has some severe personal issues he needs to work out. I will say though that this brought back some very unpleasant memories for me, as it seemed like some people were provoking him trying to get him to flip out on someone; I'd been bullied enough to know how it feels. It's not just 'oh I'm emo so I'm going to cut myself and listen to Good Charlotte hur hur hur'. Some days I'm amazed that I didn't end it when I had the chance numerous times. Thankfully, I was able to overcome that for the most part (although I do still have my moments, esp. over the past two years), but I have a major issue with this.

Just my two cents.

Exactly. Obviously what he did was severely wrong, and he probably should've been banned for life when this first occurred. But he explained that he has asperger syndrome/autism (how severe it is I do not know), said he got into a rage and posted things he said he truly regrets. He was banned, let back on, and since (nearly a year) his posts have been positive to this message board.

Should he have posted on this thread? Probably not. Should posters have continually reminded him of his previous f**kup? Probably not - especially since it's apparently something most of you want to forget.

[SMiLE Brian]

Ian Wagner was a big a wacko as Ethan, I wouldn't bet money on him ever coming back.

Ethan was very lucky he was allowed back. It's not like he was given grief over his past actions everytime he posted. The reason his post in this thread caused a shitstorm is simple, he should have realised that he was in no position to criticize other posters behaviour ever, even if it was relatively mild criticisim - he'd lost that privilege.

Agreed, this thread was a no go for him to discuss AGD's mild behavior compared to his blowup.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

And my final word. CHILD SAFETY COMES FIRST.

Doesn't that come down more to parental responsibility than anything else?  This is the internet.  Anything can happen at any time.  Anybody could post anything on this board and it would be there until a mod catches it.

Since then, I don't go on here when she's around. Prior to that,(and obviously naively) I considered a Beach Boys site a safe place to browse while she's around.

As I'm sure you'll agree though, parental responsibility involves teaching safety online, (as the internet is a fact of life), rather than prohibition. It was a big wake up call to me to see that people can and do post stuff like that on a public and seemingly innocuous forum. As I can't filter out access to public sites such as this, then complaining about this poster and finally seeing him removed is me being a responsible parent.
 

So, your continued bitching about the guy and provoking him is acceptable? I get that the guy did a disgusting thing that nearly affected your daughter, and I'm very glad it didn't. But wouldn't it be more productive for you to have sent the guy a private message, explaining in detail just how upset it made you, and how it almost affected an innocent child?

Sorry you see it as bitching. As I've explained, it deeply affected me. If you're cutting him slack for being disturbed enough to post them publicly, perhaps cut me some slack for feeling the need to reprimand him publicly.

And to be honest, I think anyone who looks at / seeks out /  posts pictures like that has psychopathic tenancies. I would have felt very uncomfortable contacting him privately. I felt safer doing so out in the open, so to speak. How was I to know he wouldn't respond to my PM with more horrific, vile pictures?

Anyway, polite replies over. I'm drawing a line here. Anyone who wants to defend him and paint me as the bad guy is someone I consider hostile towards me.

Anyway, I'm taking my daughter to the park now, and pretend we don't live in an insane world where people who commit horrible acts aren't fawned over and pitied, and those who speak out against them aren't criticised. Think I'll listen to some Pet Sounds. I have a feeling Brian Wilson would know what I'm talking about!

you have every right to feel the way you do. Wasn't referring to this thread; I'd been noticing it from others previously. You had a legit reason to be angry. That is completely different

[Iron Horse-Apples]

Should posters have continually reminded him of his previous f**kup? Probably not - especially since it's apparently something most of you want to forget.

But that's the point. His continued presence made it impossible to forget. And I didn't continually remind him of it. I've stayed quiet for a year. It wasn't till I read his posts on here blaming other people for his outburst and not accepting any responsibility for it that I had a "meltdown". Rightfully so!!

Anyway. Why the f*** am I defending my actions? I took a public stand against someone's abhorrent behaviour, albeit a year later.

I genuinely hope he gets the help he deserves, but a public forum is probably not the best place for someone with his tendencies.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

you have every right to feel the way you do. Wasn't referring to this thread; I'd been noticing it from others previously. You had a legit reason to be angry. That is completely different

Thanks Billy. Sorry I shouted at you.  I'm feeling a tad defensive. Think I need to take a break for a few days.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

It's okay...no worries.


For those asking about Ian Wagner... as he threatened myself and my family he will never be back.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

It's okay...no worries.


For those asking about Ian Wagner... as he threatened myself and my family he will never be back.

Do you suspect a lot of these people come back with a new name and (worryingly), a new persona? If they don't have a fixed IP address what can you really do to stop them? I'm always on the look out for Ghost's new incarnation