Why does Brian sing out of the side of his mouth ?

[KittyKat]

Nobody talks about how some of the long-time and even the "expert" posters on here can be rude and intimidating towards new-ish posters or even posters who have been on here for some time who state opinions that others don't happen to agree with, so a few start ganging up on that person.  That, to me, is more of a drag than people asking questions that other people think are stupid.  

[JanBerryFarm]

Nobody talks about how some of the long-time and even the "expert" posters on here can be rude and intimidating towards new-ish posters or even posters who have been on here for some time who state opinions that others don't happen to agree with, so a few start ganging up on that person.  That, to me, is more of a drag than people asking questions that other people think are stupid.  

No doubt. Good call.

Around here, you're only a hard-core FAN, if you have logged more posts  than the person you're trying to exercise brinksmanship on.

 

[Jon Stebbins]

Nobody talks about how some of the long-time and even the "expert" posters on here can be rude and intimidating towards new-ish posters or even posters who have been on here for some time who state opinions that others don't happen to agree with, so a few start ganging up on that person.  That, to me, is more of a drag than people asking questions that other people think are stupid.  

Nobody? People talk about that constantly on here. Just check AGD's history.

[Jon Stebbins]

Every year I get a little grumpier.

No need. Giants are back in first place.

YES!!! 

[TV Forces]

Nobody talks about how some of the long-time and even the "expert" posters on here can be rude and intimidating towards new-ish posters or even posters who have been on here for some time who state opinions that others don't happen to agree with, so a few start ganging up on that person.  That, to me, is more of a drag than people asking questions that other people think are stupid.  

I am one of those people that used to lurk and post on the old Smile Shop Forum quite regularly.  I took off when a couple fake dandy's called Old Rake and Old Bean came around harassing people, myself included.  Complaining to a mod did nothing because they were all buddies and it seemed like there was a decision made to just destroy the board.  It seemed to go away and so did I.  I joined the Hoffman Forums and have been happy there but when "The Smile Sessions' buzz started followed by news of a new album and tour, I started coming back here because the Hoffman Forums couldn't fill my Beach Boys void.  So I'm an old newbie...  recognizing some names but not many. 

I will say one thing to all the people here complaining about the threads being stupid: start your own.  Let's have an example of what you're talking about.  Lead by example and show us your brilliance.  I agree with the exaggerations provided of some of the bad thread titles, but nothing on the main page at the moment is all that bad.  One disappointment I have is that SMiLE discussion in its designated area never seemed to take off much.

[DonnyL]

Nobody talks about how some of the long-time and even the "expert" posters on here can be rude and intimidating towards new-ish posters or even posters who have been on here for some time who state opinions that others don't happen to agree with, so a few start ganging up on that person.  That, to me, is more of a drag than people asking questions that other people think are stupid.  

I addressed that problem in this very thread:

what i'm remembering is that a handful of people directly related to the BB world used to post here (and elsewhere) fairly often ... during that time, the topics tended to be more interesting, and the tone of the board was a lot more respectful.


The basic point I'm making is: Many people here are not treating the board and it's members with respect. This is exemplified by the lack of tact, as well as the frivolous topics.

[Pretty Funky]

Nobody talks about how some of the long-time and even the "expert" posters on here can be rude and intimidating towards new-ish posters or even posters who have been on here for some time who state opinions that others don't happen to agree with, so a few start ganging up on that person.  That, to me, is more of a drag than people asking questions that other people think are stupid.  

Nobody? People talk about that constantly on here. Just check AGD's history.

Good call!

AGD might be less grumpy now he is getting some action!










( 2 gigs in the UK that is)

[DonnyL]

and 'complaining about the threads being stupid' is really an oversimplification of the problems I'm attempting to point out.

Allow me to elaborate:

The archives of this forum are quite possibly the quintessential database of information on the Beach Boys. Often, when I am researching a topic of interest, this board comes up in the results ... often the only place where the information is available.

Treading through the endless murk to find the gold nuggets is one thing; the threat is that these 'stupid posts' are creating an environment where there is no longer relevant information being added to this historically significant database. If the well is dry, so be it ... but I don't think it is. I just think it's being stifled.

And yes, the 'honored guests' that remain are quite unruly at times -- you really do need a thick skin around here, which is why the ones left are the ones who aren't afraid to get into it. Trust me, AGD and I have gotten into heated 'discussions' on more than one occasion. But that doesn't change the fact that his presence demands respect, the information he has presented is unique to this forum, and he is one of the only people archiving this info for posterity.

[DonnyL]

Nobody talks about how some of the long-time and even the "expert" posters on here can be rude and intimidating towards new-ish posters or even posters who have been on here for some time who state opinions that others don't happen to agree with, so a few start ganging up on that person.  That, to me, is more of a drag than people asking questions that other people think are stupid.  

No doubt. Good call.

Around here, you're only a hard-core FAN, if you have logged more posts  than the person you're trying to exercise brinksmanship on.

 

nothing to do with 'newbie' status or the number of posts logged. a 'newbie' could very well come in and tell us exactly when and where the individual tracks from 'Pet Sounds' were mixed. It has to do with the content of the threads. Many of the 'threads that I skip' (we'll just call them that) are from old-time posters with thousands of notches in their belts. It's just a trend that's been going on for awhile. a lot of
very valuable members don't post anymore. the ones that do are preoccupied with reunion stuff (which is fine) and these 'what was Dennis' favorite color?' threads. I actually think 'newbie'/reunion-centric folks are actually influencing the 'culture'.  I'm not calling for people to stop having fun. I'm just looking for an alternative before 'fun' is the only option. Kind of like the blue board.

[Wirestone]

DonnyL, I can't help but feeling a lot of this is particularly personal with you, especially since you are making distinctions here that no one else is. And that's okay. But that nakes it less of a problem with the board, and more of just a problem with you. And I know, given our previous exchanges, that you're not particularly generous with respect toward others who don't share your very specific vision of the band.

[Justin]

Perhaps as a way to start weeding out the "strong vs weak" threads we should perhaps start opening up the "Honored Guests" section a bit more?  If members feel that a thread would benefit a more serious discussion then that topic could be brought to that section so as to invite the Honored Guests to join in also.  We already have that section separated out...why not use it more? There would have to be some sort of "gate keeper" to look after the area to make sure topics are suitable--otherwise that area would be flooded with more silly threads. 

[Mikie]

Well, I saw the title of this thread and I started to wade through all the B.S. and got bored quickly and skipped most of the posts here. So if a conclusion has been reached already, please forgive me.

Anyway, Brian talking and singing out the side of his mouth is due to the following. Pick one:

1. Habit. He's talking/singing towards his good ear so he can hear better.
2. Heredity. Brian's mother Audree did the same thing.

I'll go with numero dos.

[DonnyL]

DonnyL, I can't help but feeling a lot of this is particularly personal with you, especially since you are making distinctions here that no one else is. And that's okay. But that nakes it less of a problem with the board, and more of just a problem with you. And I know, given our previous exchanges, that you're not particularly generous with respect toward others who don't share your very specific vision of the band.

carry on then.

[SIP.FLAC]

I don't give a sh*t about any of this.

[Sheriff John Stone]

Nobody talks about how some of the long-time and even the "expert" posters on here can be rude and intimidating towards new-ish posters or even posters who have been on here for some time who state opinions that others don't happen to agree with, so a few start ganging up on that person.  That, to me, is more of a drag than people asking questions that other people think are stupid.  

I totally agree with this ^ post.

[SIP.FLAC]

Lol you bores probably didn't like my old Does Mike Love Believe in Ghosts threads

[Mikie]

I am a "newbie" to this forum.  Chasing young kids around the house consumes most of my freetime...

Ha Ha Ha!  I went back and found this post and after reading the first line, I thought Banana was going to talk about the young posters on this board!  

[Sheriff John Stone]

"But there is a problem when 8 out of 10 topics are mostly drivel and noise."

Total BS

You're expecting too much from the board, not every topic is going to be gold..

If a thread doesn't interest you just avoid it because there's a good chance it's benefiting somebody else

This is the most significant post on this thread. On any thread actually.

What is the worst thing for a message board? Inactivity. You sign on the board and you wanna read something new. New threads, new opinions, new anything. Like Slim Shady said, if the topic bores you or bothers you - don't read it.

Some boards would love to have the problem of too many newbies or too many questions or too many threads being started. Do you ever check the number of people on this board? It usually hovers around 100 Guests and 25-30 Users. Or more. Some other competing boards average like 5-6 Guests and 2-3 Users. How would you like to come on the board and see a couple of posts by the same 3-4 people every day....

[Mikie]

I don't give a sh*t about any of this.

Nah, the most significant post on this thread was this one.

[KittyKat]

There are different areas of the band that interest different people.  Some folks love the technical minutiae about mixing boards and tracking sessions, other people like talking about appreciating the music, and others are into the "people" type of aspect, such as band gossip.  This does seem to be a general interest type of fan board that encompasses all types of interests.  If a person isn't interested in a particular thread, then don't read it.  There aren't many Beach Boys' boards left compared to many years ago, when I first got into the band and would read a few from time to time.  When I first got into the band, there was even activity on the old Usenet forums.  In other words, you have to take what you can get. 

If people want better topics, then they need to take it upon themselves to start threads.  I could also advise resurrecting old threads, but the mania by some people to avoid so-called top-posting alienates other people who prefer not to read a thread that started five years ago and contains outdated information.  That is part of the reason why boards of this type wind up with so many threads, because people want fresh threads/topics.

[Joshilyn Hoisington]

Well, I was about to reiterate that I think you have to take it as it comes but as I was going to click on this to do so, I noticed two new threads had been started that are pretty ridiculous.

[Joshilyn Hoisington]

We did something at the old Weezer boards, similar to what Donny has suggested; we created a separate forum for very serious discussion that was heavily moderated.  I think I remember it working pretty well.  This was like, 12 years ago or something so memory fades.

The tone was more academic, and I remember some great discussions.

But for that to work, there would have to be a critical mass of people wanting such a thing.

[SIP.FLAC]

I don't give a sh*t about any of this.

Nah, the most significant post on this thread was this one.

Thanks Mikie.

[DonnyL]

We did something at the old Weezer boards, similar to what Donny has suggested; we created a separate forum for very serious discussion that was heavily moderated.  I think I remember it working pretty well.  This was like, 12 years ago or something so memory fades.

The tone was more academic, and I remember some great discussions.

But for that to work, there would have to be a critical mass of people wanting such a thing.

I think that's the best hope for getting more 'honored guest' involvement, as well as the ease of archiving info for the ages.

[DonnyL]

I don't give a sh*t about any of this.

I think Bort is on my side.