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« on: April 28, 2012, 02:18:01 PM »

The 1993 box set left off "Summer In Paradise" - nothing at all from the album - and I don't recall Mike commenting on SIP at all in interviews I have read (except for the immediate aftermath of the album's release and his comments about Al's "attitude problem").

Has Mike ever commented on SIP? Does he regard it as a good piece of work? Did all the Beach Boys agree unanimously to leave SIP tracks off of the 1993 box set? The SIP album is a singular curiosity in the Beach Boys canon, as it is the first and only time Mike was able to fully impose his image of the group onto an album. MIU doesn't count, as there was still plenty of influence from the other band members.

Did they expect SIP to take off as Kokomo did? Were they disappointed when it didn't sell?
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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2012, 02:22:27 PM »

Just a sidenote, 1992,93,94 had to be a tumultuous time in the music industry as Grunge dominated, and rap and rnb grew in popularity.

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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2012, 02:23:07 PM »

Did they expect SIP to take off as Kokomo did? Were they disappointed when it didn't sell?

Given that no major label would release it, I can't imagine they expected it to do as well.

But -- given the fact that Mike and Terry reworked and re-recorded much of the album for Europe, it's clear they thought it was worth salvaging in some way, though.
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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2012, 02:25:35 PM »

I honestly don't know what Mike was thinking. He was still in full Hawaiian shirt rapping mode, unaware that a new generation of dope smoking, acid dropping teenagers were discovering Pet Sounds and SMiLE.

I was there in '89. Seventeen and stoned amongst a sea of surf shirts. "Mike", I cried, "Embrace your past"

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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2012, 02:28:02 PM »

Did they expect SIP to take off as Kokomo did? Were they disappointed when it didn't sell?

Given that no major label would release it, I can't imagine they expected it to do as well.



Yeah, but I guess Mike - who is more thinking bout fads (which of course leads to nostalgia) - was sure the formlua of Kokomo would get it once more.
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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2012, 02:55:06 PM »

Did they expect SIP to take off as Kokomo did? Were they disappointed when it didn't sell?

Given that no major label would release it, I can't imagine they expected it to do as well.



Yeah, but I guess Mike - who is more thinking bout fads (which of course leads to nostalgia) - was sure the formlua of Kokomo would get it once more.

I concur--Summer In Paradise was basically Kokomo: The Album
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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2012, 02:58:39 PM »

But I'm so glad I own it. Unique packaging, cool artwork, poster, and all. The album gets played in my home. (selected cuts)

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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2012, 03:06:04 PM »

But I'm so glad I own it. Unique packaging, cool artwork, poster, and all. The album gets played in my home. (selected cuts)




I like that album. I don't agree with the philosophy behind it but I can dig some of that stuff. And yes, the artwork is fantastic. The best artwork ever on a Beach Boys record
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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2012, 03:08:44 PM »

But I'm so glad I own it. Unique packaging, cool artwork, poster, and all. The album gets played in my home. (selected cuts)




I like that album. I don't agree with the philosophy behind it but I can dig some of that stuff. And yes, the artwork is fantastic. The best artwork ever on a Beach Boys record

I have both CD versions, but I just wished I had the LP - darn koreans, they get all the exclusives  Grin
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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2012, 03:16:08 PM »

I honestly don't know what Mike was thinking. He was still in full Hawaiian shirt rapping mode, unaware that a new generation of dope smoking, acid dropping teenagers were discovering Pet Sounds and SMiLE.

I was there in '89. Seventeen and stoned amongst a sea of surf shirts. "Mike", I cried, "Embrace your past"


But he really did embrace his past when he refashioned the intro to BTTYS  "...wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn..." Wink
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2012, 04:09:30 PM »

The 1993 box set left off "Summer In Paradise" - nothing at all from the album - and I don't recall Mike commenting on SIP at all in interviews I have read (except for the immediate aftermath of the album's release and his comments about Al's "attitude problem").

Has Mike ever commented on SIP? Does he regard it as a good piece of work? Did all the Beach Boys agree unanimously to leave SIP tracks off of the 1993 box set? The SIP album is a singular curiosity in the Beach Boys canon, as it is the first and only time Mike was able to fully impose his image of the group onto an album. MIU doesn't count, as there was still plenty of influence from the other band members.

Did they expect SIP to take off as Kokomo did? Were they disappointed when it didn't sell?

I don`t know about Mike but Bruce has commented on it a bit.

He has said that the distributors offered them a stack of money to get it out quickly so they had to rush the production and Terry Melcher consequently hated it. 
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2012, 04:16:48 PM »

The 1993 box set left off "Summer In Paradise" - nothing at all from the album - and I don't recall Mike commenting on SIP at all in interviews I have read (except for the immediate aftermath of the album's release and his comments about Al's "attitude problem").

Has Mike ever commented on SIP? Does he regard it as a good piece of work? Did all the Beach Boys agree unanimously to leave SIP tracks off of the 1993 box set? The SIP album is a singular curiosity in the Beach Boys canon, as it is the first and only time Mike was able to fully impose his image of the group onto an album. MIU doesn't count, as there was still plenty of influence from the other band members.

Did they expect SIP to take off as Kokomo did? Were they disappointed when it didn't sell?

I don`t know about Mike but Bruce has commented on it a bit.

He has said that the distributors offered them a stack of money to get it out quickly so they had to rush the production and Terry Melcher consequently hated it. 
Interesting. The album actually was far ahead of its time - it has a very 2010's sound to it: plasticky, high-end heavy, and slick beyond belief. Perhaps it could actually be a hit in the pop culture cesspool of 2012, with its quintessentially digital production (first album ever recorded in Sound Tools ((Pro Tools progenitor)) if I recall correctly).

How is the European mix? They spent more time on it? Imagine they played tracks from SIP on the current tour...
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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2012, 04:19:59 PM »

I recall an interview where Mike said SIP was going to be the BB's equivalent of Rattle and Hum...

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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2012, 04:44:09 PM »

Just a sidenote, 1992,93,94 had to be a tumultuous time in the music industry as Grunge dominated, and rap and rnb grew in popularity.



But grunge, rap and R&B are AMAZING
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2012, 04:52:52 PM »

I personally think the artwork is horrendous.  In fact, I think it's their worst album artwork. By far.
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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2012, 05:00:39 PM »

The 1993 box set left off "Summer In Paradise" - nothing at all from the album - and I don't recall Mike commenting on SIP at all in interviews I have read (except for the immediate aftermath of the album's release and his comments about Al's "attitude problem").

Has Mike ever commented on SIP? Does he regard it as a good piece of work? Did all the Beach Boys agree unanimously to leave SIP tracks off of the 1993 box set? The SIP album is a singular curiosity in the Beach Boys canon, as it is the first and only time Mike was able to fully impose his image of the group onto an album. MIU doesn't count, as there was still plenty of influence from the other band members.

Did they expect SIP to take off as Kokomo did? Were they disappointed when it didn't sell?

I don`t know about Mike but Bruce has commented on it a bit.

He has said that the distributors offered them a stack of money to get it out quickly so they had to rush the production and Terry Melcher consequently hated it. 

Bruce also said that Hot Fun was recorded in a wrong key. I.e. too low.
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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2012, 05:06:43 PM »

I personally think the artwork is horrendous.  In fact, I think it's their worst album artwork. By far.


Back in '99 I asked Mike to sign my SIP copy.  He looked at it, probably hadn't seen it in years, and he said "Yeah this was a very good cover". To which I accidentally replied "But only the cover".
He looked at me, continued signing, gave the cd back and left without saying a word.


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« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2012, 05:29:01 PM »

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« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2012, 06:19:32 PM »

Haha, an unfortunate slip of the tongue.....
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« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2012, 06:22:08 PM »

I personally think the artwork is horrendous.  In fact, I think it's their worst album artwork. By far.


Back in '99 I asked Mike to sign my SIP copy.  He looked at it, probably hadn't see it in years, and he said "Yeah this was a very good cover". To which I accidentally replied "But only the cover".
He looked at me, continued signing, gave the cd back and left without saying a word.




LMAO. Classic.
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« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2012, 06:23:23 PM »



How is the European mix? They spent more time on it? Imagine they played tracks from SIP on the current tour...

The European mix only changed 5 songs I think I`m right in saying. One of the biggest differences I guess is that Al was more involved vocally but Carl didn`t participate as far as I know. The remake of Island Fever features Terry Melcher on co-lead instead of Carl much to its detriment.

Unfortunately the European mix didn`t fix the drum heavy production.
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« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2012, 07:14:39 PM »

I personally think the artwork is horrendous.  In fact, I think it's their worst album artwork. By far.


Back in '99 I asked Mike to sign my SIP copy.  He looked at it, probably hadn't see it in years, and he said "Yeah this was a very good cover". To which I accidentally replied "But only the cover".
He looked at me, continued signing, gave the cd back and left without saying a word.




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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2012, 08:09:35 PM »

That's hilarious Hypehat! LOL
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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2012, 09:43:42 PM »

Accident or not, that took some balls STE!  The mental image is cracking me up.
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« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2012, 10:17:51 PM »

Interestingly enough, this album appears to have been erased from the Beach Boys' canon.  In the tour program, this album is completely omitted. 
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