Who is the 'real' Al Jardine?

[Joshilyn Hoisington]

That's really neat stuff.  It sure would be neat to get all the surviving Beach Boys together just to talk about stuff like that, who cares about playing live or something.  Just get Al, Brian, and Dave sitting around with instruments and I bet all kinds of information would flow out of them. 

[c-man]

I'm definitely not disputing David's contribution, rather I'm hoping to clear up the origins of the song, if it was always a Beach Boys cut, always a Honeys cut, alternating, etc, etc.  Depending on exactly what was going on, it's still an intriguing first for Brian, as the first time the crew and the boys mixed.  Perhaps it was all wrecking crew, plus Dave?

The song that became "Our Car Club" was inspired by the Mongo Santamaria hit "Watermelon Man".  My guess is that Brian wrote the musical arrangement first, before any lyrics or possibly even any melody, and went in and cut it.  He cut it at Gold Star, and at the time, he was mostly using Gold Star for "outside productions" and doing all the BBs tracks at Western (except the few that were done at Capitol), but he used places like Conway, Radio Recorders, and Gold Star for "demos" such as "Baker Man" and "Cindy Oh Cindy".  But he also used Carl, Dave, and Dennis on at least some of these (including  "Surfer Moon" 1962 version and some other unreleased demo I can't remember the name of now).   So, for this track, he used Carl, Dave, Hal, Steve and Jay.  Sometime later, he finished it as "Rabbit's Foot" and put the Honeys on, scrapped that idea, then used it for the "Surfer Girl" album as "Our Car Club", with vocals done by the Boys at Western.  Just my idea, but it makes sense.

C-Man

[Joshilyn Hoisington]

Makes sense to me.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Gonna bump this, as this thread has become relevent again because of the Mike v Al thread.

[jeffh]

I met Al in 1999 when he was touring Family and Friends. It was in Green Bay WI. My wife and I and Goofy Jeff were eating dinner at the casino where BBF & F were performing. This was the first night of  two that they were playing. My wife and I were staying for both nights, even tho we only had tickets for the first nights show.

We're eating dinner and my wife motions behind me, "look there's Al Jardine," she said. I turned and sure enough it was Al. I sort of nodded at him. He came over to our table. Actually sat and spoke with us for a about five minutes. He asked if we had eaten yet. We had. I believe that if we were just starting dinner he may have asked to join us. We had a nice brief chat and that was that. I did get to meet Carnie and Wendy after this show.

As I stated I didn't have a ticket for the second nights show. Goofy Jeff left to go home and my wife didn't plan on attending the second nights concert. Tickets were free, but you needed one to get in. About an hour before the show I made up a little sign in our hotel room which read " Need One Ticket." I told the wife I was leaving early to see if I could score a ticket.

I was waiting outside the hotel, holding my sign. Out of the hotel walks Al and his son Adam. He read my sign and said "Jeff you don't need a ticket, come on get in the limo." I rode to the stage with Al and Adam, was taken back stage, given a pass and then a front row seat!!! All due to the kindness of Al. 

It was a great evening.  Al was very cordial in the dining room and of course very kind with the limo ride and back stage pass. At all times he presented himself as a very nice, humble person.

[Daniel S.]

The real Al Jardine is a crazy foda da mãe! Ya hear me?

[Daniel S.]

I met Al in 1999 when he was touring Family and Friends. It was in Green Bay WI. My wife and I and Goofy Jeff were eating dinner at the casino where BBF & F were performing. This was the first night of  two that they were playing. My wife and I were staying for both nights, even tho we only had tickets for the first nights show.

We're eating dinner and my wife motions behind me, "look there's Al Jardine," she said. I turned and sure enough it was Al. I sort of nodded at him. He came over to our table. Actually sat and spoke with us for a about five minutes. He asked if we had eaten yet. We had. I believe that if we were just starting dinner he may have asked to join us. We had a nice brief chat and that was that. I did get to meet Carnie and Wendy after this show.

As I stated I didn't have a ticket for the second nights show. Goofy Jeff left to go home and my wife didn't plan on attending the second nights concert. Tickets were free, but you needed one to get in. About an hour before the show I made up a little sign in our hotel room which read " Need One Ticket." I told the wife I was leaving early to see if I could score a ticket.

I was waiting outside the hotel, holding my sign. Out of the hotel walks Al and his son Adam. He read my sign and said "Jeff you don't need a ticket, come on get in the limo." I rode to the stage with Al and Adam, was taken back stage, given a pass and then a front row seat!!! All due to the kindness of Al. 

It was a great evening.  Al was very cordial in the dining room and of course very kind with the limo ride and back stage pass. At all times he presented himself as a very nice, humble person.

That's a great story.

[Daniel S.]

The Survivors claim has been disproved in the sense that only Beach Boys are on the released version  of Surfer Girl...except Hal Blaine plays drums on Our Car Club and timbales on Surfers Rule...

Didn't Hal Blaine play drums on Little Deuce Coup? The song that is.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

I met Al in 1999 when he was touring Family and Friends. It was in Green Bay WI. My wife and I and Goofy Jeff were eating dinner at the casino where BBF & F were performing. This was the first night of  two that they were playing. My wife and I were staying for both nights, even tho we only had tickets for the first nights show.

We're eating dinner and my wife motions behind me, "look there's Al Jardine," she said. I turned and sure enough it was Al. I sort of nodded at him. He came over to our table. Actually sat and spoke with us for a about five minutes. He asked if we had eaten yet. We had. I believe that if we were just starting dinner he may have asked to join us. We had a nice brief chat and that was that. I did get to meet Carnie and Wendy after this show.

As I stated I didn't have a ticket for the second nights show. Goofy Jeff left to go home and my wife didn't plan on attending the second nights concert. Tickets were free, but you needed one to get in. About an hour before the show I made up a little sign in our hotel room which read " Need One Ticket." I told the wife I was leaving early to see if I could score a ticket.

I was waiting outside the hotel, holding my sign. Out of the hotel walks Al and his son Adam. He read my sign and said "Jeff you don't need a ticket, come on get in the limo." I rode to the stage with Al and Adam, was taken back stage, given a pass and then a front row seat!!! All due to the kindness of Al. 

It was a great evening.  Al was very cordial in the dining room and of course very kind with the limo ride and back stage pass. At all times he presented himself as a very nice, humble person.

Al seems like he's really cool.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

I met Al in 1999 when he was touring Family and Friends. It was in Green Bay WI. My wife and I and Goofy Jeff were eating dinner at the casino where BBF & F were performing. This was the first night of  two that they were playing. My wife and I were staying for both nights, even tho we only had tickets for the first nights show.

We're eating dinner and my wife motions behind me, "look there's Al Jardine," she said. I turned and sure enough it was Al. I sort of nodded at him. He came over to our table. Actually sat and spoke with us for a about five minutes. He asked if we had eaten yet. We had. I believe that if we were just starting dinner he may have asked to join us. We had a nice brief chat and that was that. I did get to meet Carnie and Wendy after this show.

As I stated I didn't have a ticket for the second nights show. Goofy Jeff left to go home and my wife didn't plan on attending the second nights concert. Tickets were free, but you needed one to get in. About an hour before the show I made up a little sign in our hotel room which read " Need One Ticket." I told the wife I was leaving early to see if I could score a ticket.

I was waiting outside the hotel, holding my sign. Out of the hotel walks Al and his son Adam. He read my sign and said "Jeff you don't need a ticket, come on get in the limo." I rode to the stage with Al and Adam, was taken back stage, given a pass and then a front row seat!!! All due to the kindness of Al. 

It was a great evening.  Al was very cordial in the dining room and of course very kind with the limo ride and back stage pass. At all times he presented himself as a very nice, humble person.

Did you have to give him a hummer backstage afterwards? 

Please tell me I didn't just read about a f*cking hummer on this message board.

Please.

[MBE]

Well you know the saying be clean with Al Jardine. It's funny but to me not touring around with the Beach Boys may have been a godsend personally. Again he was super nice to me when we spoke.

[MBE]

At the time just prior to Carl's illness in 96/97...Al and Carl had become somewhat "enstranged" due to issues regarding Mike and BB's concert productions. It seems Al was none too happy with Carl's tendency to allow Mike free reign at that point in time...this led to Al's eventual freezing out...or departure from the BB's...call it what you want. These events are examined in the upcoming Dave Marks book.

From what I am learning it seems that Carl kind of gave up after the 93 tour.

[AMDG]

At the time just prior to Carl's illness in 96/97...Al and Carl had become somewhat "enstranged" due to issues regarding Mike and BB's concert productions. It seems Al was none too happy with Carl's tendency to allow Mike free reign at that point in time...this led to Al's eventual freezing out...or departure from the BB's...call it what you want. These events are examined in the upcoming Dave Marks book.

From what I am learning it seems that Carl kind of gave up after the 93 tour.

My guess us that even if he didn;t know he was terminally ill, it still would have impacted his outlook.  He probably stopped caring about stuff many months before he was diagnosed.

Both my parents died of cancer and there was a difniate change of attitude.

[MBE]

Carl is interesting to me because so little has been said about him. I think that from 65-83 he fought to keep the concerts fresh. I don't think Love and him were really on a different page until 1973-4 but he was the one who called rehearsals etc. From 74 on he fought the oldies, and fought for the new stuff along with Dennis. When they did do oldies, Carl and Dennis often gave them a new twist. At least until there addictions began to run out of control. As 1980 ended the show slowly got stale and Carl left. Peter's book mentions that Brian's stage performances were somewhat stifled by Carl around 78-9 but the author defended Carl's point of view while making it clear how this hurt Brian. When Carl came back in 1982 it was he who injected the setlist with a lot of new material and even some new versions of older material. This continued into 1983 but except for brief periods when there were new songs out Dennis' death put an end to that. If Brian, Carl, and Dennis began to put less into the group after Murry died, then it was Dennis' death that rendered the Wilson brothers completely passive about the shows and recordings. Not that they didn't participate, the 85 album had a lot of their work, but they didn't take control as far as production or general band direction. The 1993 tour seems to be the sole exception to this and from someone who saw it let me say that Carl AND Mike both seemed overjoyed by the reception the new setlist got. Was it cold feet in 1994? Was it complacency? Who knows but reading in Peter's book that it was Carl and not Mike who
1. Wouldn't do the Paley sessions, and
2. Blocked a Pet Sounds tour

This truly shocked me. Only the deaths in the Wilson family could explain it to me. Perhaps health played a role too by the mid 90s.

[Sheriff John Stone]

Carl is interesting to me because so little has been said about him. I think that from 65-83 he fought to keep the concerts fresh. I don't think Love and him were really on a different page until 1973-4 but he was the one who called rehearsals etc. From 74 on he fought the oldies, and fought for the new stuff along with Dennis.

I always felt that, while Carl wanted to stretch out and perform more of the obscure artistic material, he knew that Mike Love was correct with his "give the people what they want" attitude, which was, play the songs that most of the people came to hear.

I'm not ignoring that the "unplugged" set was well received, and that a few more non-hit songs would've been welcomed, but how long would've that lasted? Al, and to some extent Brian, is experiencing that now. I know that we diehards will always have a problem with the traveling jukebox setlist, but we are in a very small minority at Beach Boys' concerts.

[MBE]

Well it's a balance that is and was needed. It was really the way they did the oldies that got me mad. Through 1973 they were played with a fresh attitude and they were only ones that were age appropriate. From 1974-6 they were still played well but as more car songs and BTTYS came in they began to look slightly silly. This was balanced until 1981 and the shows (admittedly rare) from 1977-80  where everyone was sober were still quite good. It's the cheerleaders, the car medley, the beach bum stageware since 81 that bug me, this is why they went downhill.

[GoodVibrations33]

Speaking of Al Jardine, does anyone have the picture of Al Jardine, wearing the "Keep it Clean with Al Jardine" shirt??

thanks in advance

[Jardine Power!]

Speaking of Al Jardine, does anyone have the picture of Al Jardine, wearing the "Keep it Clean with Al Jardine" shirt??

thanks in advance

OMG I've been looking for this too

[GoodVibrations33]

Yea.. I saw it a long time ago but can't find it at all now...

[Rocker]

You can see a "preview" on Ed Roach's site:  http://www.roach-clips.com/