What "commemorative releases" should we expect for the 50th anniversary?

[SurfRiderHawaii]

I'm pleased to see that the new album is doing well commercially. There's talk of a 3-album deal & 16 further unreleased songs from the recent sessions. But, in light of the commercial success of the "That's Why God Made The Radio" album, it won't surprise me if the proposed archival projects are subject to a long postponement(if they happen at all), and that Capitol might prefer more mainstream product, such as a live CD or DVD, or perhaps another 2012 studio album. From Capitol's viewpoint, as long as "That's Why God Made The Radio" is selling well, there's no need to release any additional Beach Boys product.

Reminds me of the 70's when my record player needle would get stuck in a groove...

[ontor pertawst]

Yeah, it's kind of funny the first two or three times if it's some goofy phrase being repeated over and over... and then you just scream and race across the room to take the record off.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

Hey, I'm pleased that you're pleased - that's a positive take on things... Like the therapy's paying off!

I don't see any reason why Capitol should delay the archival releases beyond 2012 though. A new album would be great but I'd bet on 2013 for that, especially as the tour will wrap up in a couple of months.

Only reason for releasing a second studio album this year would be if the tour was extended further, with full tours of the Uk, Europe, NZ and Oz, Japan etc, to give them something to promote.

But I'm also reckoning on the wives having a say, and Melinda and Jackie have probably had enough of ironing Hawaiian shirts for one summer.

Marketing 101 - keep the momentum going.  Once the 50th hype stops, interest will decline.

 This whole thing has been meticulously planned.  All the videos, tv shows, Rolling Stone.....  Amazing PR /marketing campaign.  #3 album.  You betcha there is a boxset coming!

[Andrew G. Doe]

There's been some references to Alan Boyd's health problems in this thread, though I don't know the specifics.  If he can't continue working on Beach Boys archival projects, an ideal replacement compiler/remixer would be Andrew Sandoval(who assembled the first edition of "Endless Harmony Soundtrack"). Sandoval would give us wider stereo separation than the Boyd/Linett team.

1 - once again, just because he worked on previous BB archival projects, everyone's assuming Alan will be working on the upcoming archival releases. Maybe he won't. Maybe he doesn't want to. It's a moot point anyway as right now the paramount thing is his health and not some transient reissue program. Considering the circumstances, Boyd's doing remarkably well. Let's keep it that way.

2 - Andrew Sandoval, for whatever reason, fell out of favor with BRI, BriMel and Capitol back in the late 1990s: I don't know the specifics* but I'm doubtful he'll be asked again.


[* indicates a statement that may or may not be disingenuous to some degree]

[PhilCohen]

Can you imagine recuperating in the hospital, checking an online message board, and people can't wait to replace you to get "wider stereo separation?" Maybe a little tact and class for a fellow poster who is in fact a human being who has given years and years of his life in underpaid servitude to our eardrums is in order?

But compare Sandoval's stereo remixes of "Kiss Me Baby" & "California Girls" from the first edition of "Endless Harmony Soundtrack" versus the Boyd-supervised Linett mixes from the second edition of "Endless Harmony Soundtrack". Sandoval's mixes DO have much wider stereo separation than the Linett mixes. I prefer the Sandoval mixes, and I think that it is unfortunate that his association with The Beach Boys didn't continue.

Sandoval is an excellent compiler/remixer. Check out his extensive work with The Monkees for Rhino Records. He's presently working for Universal Music/UK on their Kinks reissue series.

By the way, what is the nature of Alan Boyd's health problems? This thread has only vague references to it.

[Andrew G. Doe]

But compare Sandoval's stereo remixes of "Kiss Me Baby" & "California Girls" from the first edition of "Endless Harmony Soundtrack" versus the Boyd-supervised Linett mixes from the second edition of "Endless Harmony Soundtrack".

1 - Alan did not 'supervise' anything in regard to Mark's mixes: that you could even think this indicates your complete lack of grasp concerning any BB reissue program, past, present or future.

2 - as has been said, you're essentially kicking someone when they're down for your own ends. It would be nice to see you express even a little concern for one of the nicest guys in the BB world. It would also be totally out of character.

[PhilCohen]

....and Joe Thomas fell VERY out of favor with BRIMEL after the "Brian Wilson-Imagination" album, but now he's working with Brian again(on "That's Why God Made The Radio"). Apparently, the bad vibrations weren't permanent or unforgivable.

[PhilCohen]

But compare Sandoval's stereo remixes of "Kiss Me Baby" & "California Girls" from the first edition of "Endless Harmony Soundtrack" versus the Boyd-supervised Linett mixes from the second edition of "Endless Harmony Soundtrack".

1 - Alan did not 'supervise' anything in regard to Mark's mixes: that you could even think this indicates your complete lack of grasp concerning any BB reissue program, past, present or future.

2 - as has been said, you're essentially kicking someone when they're down for your own ends. It would be nice to see you express even a little concern for one of the nicest guys in the BB world. It would also be totally out of character.

But Mr.Sandoval's remixing "Philosophy" does  favor wider stereo separation than Mark Linett, or perhaps I should say "Than Mark Linett presently does". Mr.Linett mixed the "Pet Sounds Session" box with wide stereo separation, but, in later projects Linett moved away from wide separation towards a more vague stereo "picture", possibly at the insistence of Brother Records or specific Beach Boys members.

In any event, whenever I assemble a homemade "Today"/"Summer Days" stereo "Two-fer", I use the Sandoval mixes of "Kiss Me Baby" & "California Girls".

[Jim V.]

There's been some references to Alan Boyd's health problems in this thread, though I don't know the specifics.  If he can't continue working on Beach Boys archival projects, an ideal replacement compiler/remixer would be Andrew Sandoval(who assembled the first edition of "Endless Harmony Soundtrack"). Sandoval would give us wider stereo separation than the Boyd/Linett team.

[as has been said, you're essentially kicking someone when they're down for your own ends. It would be nice to see you express even a little concern for one of the nicest guys in the BB world. It would also be totally out of character.

I gotta agree with Andrew here. This is a new low for you Phil. This is a man who has a large hand in making The Beach Boys SMiLE a real, official release. And besides that, just an all around great guy. And you use his having fallen ill as an excuse to try to bump him out of projects he may or may not have any involvement in. Stay classy, Phil.

I won't lie. I cannot wait to get the archival releases that The Beach Boys have planned. I really hope I get to own copies of "California Feelin'" from 1974, "Where Is She", "(Wouldn't It Be Nice To) Live Again" very soon, and I can't wait for the day I log online to read about how all these things are coming out. But I will wait, and I definitely won't kick dirt in the face of one of the guys who plays a huge part in trying to get the "good stuff" out there to us.

[SBonilla]

By the way, what is the nature of Alan Boyd's health problems? This thread has only vague references to it.

You are nosey. Tell us, do you have a social cognitive disorder?

[PhilCohen]

There's been some references to Alan Boyd's health problems in this thread, though I don't know the specifics.  If he can't continue working on Beach Boys archival projects, an ideal replacement compiler/remixer would be Andrew Sandoval(who assembled the first edition of "Endless Harmony Soundtrack"). Sandoval would give us wider stereo separation than the Boyd/Linett team.

[as has been said, you're essentially kicking someone when they're down for your own ends. It would be nice to see you express even a little concern for one of the nicest guys in the BB world. It would also be totally out of character.

I gotta agree with Andrew here. This is a new low for you Phil. This is a man who has a large hand in making The Beach Boys SMiLE a real, official release. And besides that, just an all around great guy. And you use his having fallen ill as an excuse to try to bump him out of projects he may or may not have any involvement in. Stay classy, Phil.



I won't lie. I cannot wait to get the archival releases that The Beach Boys have planned. I really hope I get to own copies of "California Feelin'" from 1974, "Where Is She", "(Wouldn't It Be Nice To) Live Again" very soon, and I can't wait for the day I log online to read about how all these things are coming out. But I will wait, and I definitely won't kick dirt in the face of one of the guys who plays a huge part in trying to get the "good stuff" out there to us.

I'm not trying to kick anyone out of The Beach Boys' archival projects, but if Mr.Boyd is unable to continue due to health problems, Mr.Sandoval and/or Mr.Linett are the obviously qualified replacements. Is it a crime to say that I prefer Mr.Sandoval's remixing style? Gosh, you guys(under your leader Mr.Doe) are a gang of rabies-infected attack dogs.

[Andrew G. Doe]

But compare Sandoval's stereo remixes of "Kiss Me Baby" & "California Girls" from the first edition of "Endless Harmony Soundtrack" versus the Boyd-supervised Linett mixes from the second edition of "Endless Harmony Soundtrack".

1 - Alan did not 'supervise' anything in regard to Mark's mixes: that you could even think this indicates your complete lack of grasp concerning any BB reissue program, past, present or future.

2 - as has been said, you're essentially kicking someone when they're down for your own ends. It would be nice to see you express even a little concern for one of the nicest guys in the BB world. It would also be totally out of character.

But Mr.Sandoval's remixing "Philosophy" does  favor wider stereo separation than Mark Linett, or perhaps I should say "Than Mark Linett presently does". Mr.Linett mixed the "Pet Sounds Session" box with wide stereo separation, but, in later projects Linett moved away from wide separation towards a more vague stereo "picture", possibly at the insistence of Brother Records or specific Beach Boys members.

In any event, whenever I assemble a homemade "Today"/"Summer Days" stereo "Two-fer", I use the Sandoval mixes of "Kiss Me Baby" & "California Girls".

Your touching concern for Alan's health and well-being is truly an inspiration to us all.

You're despicable.

[PhilCohen]

But compare Sandoval's stereo remixes of "Kiss Me Baby" & "California Girls" from the first edition of "Endless Harmony Soundtrack" versus the Boyd-supervised Linett mixes from the second edition of "Endless Harmony Soundtrack".

1 - Alan did not 'supervise' anything in regard to Mark's mixes: that you could even think this indicates your complete lack of grasp concerning any BB reissue program, past, present or future.

2 - as has been said, you're essentially kicking someone when they're down for your own ends. It would be nice to see you express even a little concern for one of the nicest guys in the BB world. It would also be totally out of character.

But Mr.Sandoval's remixing "Philosophy" does  favor wider stereo separation than Mark Linett, or perhaps I should say "Than Mark Linett presently does". Mr.Linett mixed the "Pet Sounds Session" box with wide stereo separation, but, in later projects Linett moved away from wide separation towards a more vague stereo "picture", possibly at the insistence of Brother Records or specific Beach Boys members.

In any event, whenever I assemble a homemade "Today"/"Summer Days" stereo "Two-fer", I use the Sandoval mixes of "Kiss Me Baby" & "California Girls".

Your touching concern for Alan's health and well-being is truly an inspiration to us all.

You're despicable.

And you are a self-righteous bully, who sees himself as the ringleader of the forum and as leader of the discussion. We're discussing who should (if necessary) replace Mr.Boyd as Beach Boys archival supervisor, and we are discussing Mr.Sandoval's remixing "philosophy"(versus that of Mr.Linett or what Mr.Linett would do under Mr.Boyd's supervision), yet you turn this discussion into a launching pad for more personal attacks against me. And no one has answered the question of what Mr.Boyd's health crisis is, since this thread has only vague references to it. I'm not kicking anyone when they're down. That's in your imagination Mr.Doe.

[stack-o-tracks]

How dare you not express concern for one of the 7 billion people on Earth you don't know! What's wrong with you?

[ontor pertawst]

EDIT: aw, never mind. Somebody is obviously "missing social cues" here.

[Andrew G. Doe]

But compare Sandoval's stereo remixes of "Kiss Me Baby" & "California Girls" from the first edition of "Endless Harmony Soundtrack" versus the Boyd-supervised Linett mixes from the second edition of "Endless Harmony Soundtrack".

1 - Alan did not 'supervise' anything in regard to Mark's mixes: that you could even think this indicates your complete lack of grasp concerning any BB reissue program, past, present or future.

2 - as has been said, you're essentially kicking someone when they're down for your own ends. It would be nice to see you express even a little concern for one of the nicest guys in the BB world. It would also be totally out of character.

But Mr.Sandoval's remixing "Philosophy" does  favor wider stereo separation than Mark Linett, or perhaps I should say "Than Mark Linett presently does". Mr.Linett mixed the "Pet Sounds Session" box with wide stereo separation, but, in later projects Linett moved away from wide separation towards a more vague stereo "picture", possibly at the insistence of Brother Records or specific Beach Boys members.

In any event, whenever I assemble a homemade "Today"/"Summer Days" stereo "Two-fer", I use the Sandoval mixes of "Kiss Me Baby" & "California Girls".

Your touching concern for Alan's health and well-being is truly an inspiration to us all.

You're despicable.

And you are a self-righteous bully, who sees himself as the ringleader of the forum and as leader of the discussion. We're discussing who should (if necessary) replace Mr.Boyd as Beach Boys archival supervisor, and we are discussing Mr.Sandoval's remixing "philosophy"(versus that of Mr.Linett or what Mr.Linett would do under Mr.Boyd's supervision), yet you turn this discussion into a launching pad for more personal attacks against me. And no one has answered the question of what Mr.Boyd's health crisis is, since this thread has only vague references to it. I'm not kicking anyone when they're down. That's in your imagination Mr.Doe.

No, WE are not discussing if Alan should be replaced in a position he may not even occupy - YOU are, and without exhibiting the merest shred of concern for someone who has done more for the BB archival releases (and cataloging of said archive) than anyone else ever has, or will. More importantly, Alan is one of the very nicest guys you could ever hope to meet, and if trying to make you perceive this makes me a self-righteous bully, then yes, dammit I am. As for the nature of Alan's illness, has it not occurred to you that maybe the man would like a little privacy at such a time ?

[PhilCohen]

It is not possible for me to be callous or insensitive towards Mr.Boyd's illness, when I don't even know what the illness is. I hope that he recovers and is able to continue his Beach Boys archival projects.

Mr.Doe, obviously, you see yourself as ringleader of the forum, and as leader of the discussion; a leader who does not tolerate any dissent.

Well, starting right here and now, THIS IS YOUR FORUM.

[SBonilla]

It is not possible for me to be callous or insensitive towards Mr.Boyd's illness, when I don't even know what the illness is. I hope that he recovers and is able to continue his Beach Boys archival projects.

Mr.Doe, obviously, you see yourself as ringleader of the forum, and as leader of the discussion; a leader who does not tolerate any dissent.

Well, starting right here and now, THIS IS YOUR FORUM.

Go away.

[The Shift]

Phil, cut us some slack. Put things in context - tell us what lies in your past that has rendered you such a dispassionate, uncaring insensitive soul? Without that information to inform our understanding of your seemingly heartless posts, we have no option but to assume you're some kind of dispassionate, uncaring, insensitive, heartless soul. Apologies if I come across as sounding like a disgruntled spouse or spurned parent...

[Andrew G. Doe]

It is not possible for me to be callous or insensitive towards Mr.Boyd's illness, when I don't even know what the illness is.

Is it so essential for you to know the exact nature of someone's illness to display some/a little/any compassion or concern ? Patently.

I hope that he recovers and is able to continue his Beach Boys archival projects.

You're all heart, ain'tcha ?

[The Shift]

But compare Sandoval's stereo remixes of "Kiss Me Baby" & "California Girls" from the first edition of "Endless Harmony Soundtrack" versus the Boyd-supervised Linett mixes from the second edition of "Endless Harmony Soundtrack".

1 - Alan did not 'supervise' anything in regard to Mark's mixes: that you could even think this indicates your complete lack of grasp concerning any BB reissue program, past, present or future.

2 - as has been said, you're essentially kicking someone when they're down for your own ends. It would be nice to see you express even a little concern for one of the nicest guys in the BB world. It would also be totally out of character.

But Mr.Sandoval's remixing "Philosophy" does  favor wider stereo separation than Mark Linett, or perhaps I should say "Than Mark Linett presently does". Mr.Linett mixed the "Pet Sounds Session" box with wide stereo separation, but, in later projects Linett moved away from wide separation towards a more vague stereo "picture", possibly at the insistence of Brother Records or specific Beach Boys members.

In any event, whenever I assemble a homemade "Today"/"Summer Days" stereo "Two-fer", I use the Sandoval mixes of "Kiss Me Baby" & "California Girls".

Your touching concern for Alan's health and well-being is truly an inspiration to us all.

You're despicable.

And you are a self-righteous bully, who sees himself as the ringleader of the forum and as leader of the discussion. We're discussing who should (if necessary) replace Mr.Boyd as Beach Boys archival supervisor, and we are discussing Mr.Sandoval's remixing "philosophy"(versus that of Mr.Linett or what Mr.Linett would do under Mr.Boyd's supervision), yet you turn this discussion into a launching pad for more personal attacks against me. And no one has answered the question of what Mr.Boyd's health crisis is, since this thread has only vague references to it. I'm not kicking anyone when they're down. That's in your imagination Mr.Doe.

No, WE are not discussing if Alan should be replaced in a position he may not even occupy - YOU are, and without exhibiting the merest shred of concern for someone who has done more for the BB archival releases (and cataloging of said archive) than anyone else ever has, or will. More importantly, Alan is one of the very nicest guys you could ever hope to meet, and if trying to make you perceive this makes me a self-righteous bully, then yes, dammit I am. As for the nature of Alan's illness, has it not occurred to you that maybe the man would like a little privacy at such a time ?

Andrew beat me to it... Phil, my biggest gripe with your posts has long-been your presumption to speak for the masses, whereas in fact you speak only for yourself... and seemingly from a very dark corner.

I really do wish you'd lighten up and join the debates here instead of mutating them into a licking frenzy. You seem a knowledgeable articulate bloke and am sure you'd be able to contribute to the core knowledge but instead you seem determined , as I've suggested before, to commit suicide-by-admin.

[Paulos]

But compare Sandoval's stereo remixes of "Kiss Me Baby" & "California Girls" from the first edition of "Endless Harmony Soundtrack" versus the Boyd-supervised Linett mixes from the second edition of "Endless Harmony Soundtrack".

1 - Alan did not 'supervise' anything in regard to Mark's mixes: that you could even think this indicates your complete lack of grasp concerning any BB reissue program, past, present or future.

2 - as has been said, you're essentially kicking someone when they're down for your own ends. It would be nice to see you express even a little concern for one of the nicest guys in the BB world. It would also be totally out of character.

But Mr.Sandoval's remixing "Philosophy" does  favor wider stereo separation than Mark Linett, or perhaps I should say "Than Mark Linett presently does". Mr.Linett mixed the "Pet Sounds Session" box with wide stereo separation, but, in later projects Linett moved away from wide separation towards a more vague stereo "picture", possibly at the insistence of Brother Records or specific Beach Boys members.

In any event, whenever I assemble a homemade "Today"/"Summer Days" stereo "Two-fer", I use the Sandoval mixes of "Kiss Me Baby" & "California Girls".

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Brian really unhappy with Sandoval's remix of California Girls and asked Mark Linnett to remix it again when Endless Harmony was re-issued with the different cover?

[Andrew G. Doe]

But compare Sandoval's stereo remixes of "Kiss Me Baby" & "California Girls" from the first edition of "Endless Harmony Soundtrack" versus the Boyd-supervised Linett mixes from the second edition of "Endless Harmony Soundtrack".

1 - Alan did not 'supervise' anything in regard to Mark's mixes: that you could even think this indicates your complete lack of grasp concerning any BB reissue program, past, present or future.

2 - as has been said, you're essentially kicking someone when they're down for your own ends. It would be nice to see you express even a little concern for one of the nicest guys in the BB world. It would also be totally out of character.

But Mr.Sandoval's remixing "Philosophy" does  favor wider stereo separation than Mark Linett, or perhaps I should say "Than Mark Linett presently does". Mr.Linett mixed the "Pet Sounds Session" box with wide stereo separation, but, in later projects Linett moved away from wide separation towards a more vague stereo "picture", possibly at the insistence of Brother Records or specific Beach Boys members.

In any event, whenever I assemble a homemade "Today"/"Summer Days" stereo "Two-fer", I use the Sandoval mixes of "Kiss Me Baby" & "California Girls".

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Brian really unhappy with Sandoval's remix of California Girls and asked Mark Linnett to remix it again when Endless Harmony was re-issued with the different cover?

That's how the story goes.

[drbeachboy]

Well, the Sandoval stereo version sounds like the 45 mix, and probably why Brian wasn't happy with it. Brian remixed the mono version for the Summer Days... Album. Mark's stereo remix sounds more like the album mono mix. Funny, Sandoval is the only person to release the original 45 mono version on CD too. Even the U.S. Singles Box uses the mono album mix, instead of the original mix.

[Jason]

It is not possible for me to be callous or insensitive towards Mr.Boyd's illness, when I don't even know what the illness is.

It's also none of your g*ddamned business.