What "commemorative releases" should we expect for the 50th anniversary?

[PhilCohen]

Well it's been several hours since Capitol announced the possibility of archival Beach Boys CD product and we have heard nothing! NOTHING!!!!! 

The announcement was in mid-December 2011, so it has been more than several hours!

I was just messing with you Phil, I hope we do get a great new box set with previously unreleased stuff on it - it would be great and it might finally make you happy. Promise not to get all ansty if Capitol don't give us daily updates on the box set?

It would be reasonable to say that it would be necessary for Capitol to reveal info about the archival projects by early November 2012 to be able to have the product in stores this year.

[The Shift]

Just had the new BigO newsletter by email. Guess what this week's free download is?

THE PHILIP COHEN COLLECTION: BOB DYLAN - COMPLETE BASEMENT TAPES

I'm really upset at being put through this kind of thing - Phil, you could have given us some advance notice, maybe a release date, track list... A few bones at least. Instead we have to endure this wall of secrecy, this deliberate policy not to keep the fans informed.

[SMiLE Brian]

Well it's been several hours since Capitol announced the possibility of archival Beach Boys CD product and we have heard nothing! NOTHING!!!!! 

The announcement was in mid-December 2011, so it has been more than several hours!

I was just messing with you Phil, I hope we do get a great new box set with previously unreleased stuff on it - it would be great and it might finally make you happy. Promise not to get all ansty if Capitol don't give us daily updates on the box set?

It would be reasonable to say that it would be necessary for Capitol to reveal info about the archival projects by early November 2012 to be able to have the product in stores this year.

Thats the spirit!

[PhilCohen]

Just had the new BigO newsletter by email. Guess what this week's free download is?

THE PHILIP COHEN COLLECTION: BOB DYLAN - COMPLETE BASEMENT TAPES

I'm really upset at being put through this kind of thing - Phil, you could have given us some advance notice, maybe a release date, track list... A few bones at least. Instead we have to endure this wall of secrecy, this deliberate policy not to keep the fans informed.

Be advised, that for all recent downloads on that website that are credited(by the website operator's courtesy) to "The Philip Cohen Collection" that I have NOT supplied the material. My only input was to pre-screen Discs one through four, to ensure that the website operator does not offer anything that is on Sony/Columbia's official "The Basement Tapes" 2-CD set. I advised that several tracks on Disc Four should be omitted, since they were released officially by Sony/Columbia. Be advised that some of the tracks on that "Basement Tapes" bootleg(particularly on Disc One) are badly distorted.....unlistenable. Fortunately the Dylan fans won't have to pay to get this low-fidelity crap.

[Heysaboda]

THE PHILIP COHEN COLLECTION: BOB DYLAN - COMPLETE BASEMENT TAPES

I'm really upset at being put through this kind of thing - Phil, you could have given us some advance notice, maybe a release date, track list... A few bones at least. Instead we have to endure this wall of secrecy, this deliberate policy not to keep the fans informed.

or in this case, the Cohen of Silence!

"Sorry about that, Chief!"

 

[Jim V.]

Just had the new BigO newsletter by email. Guess what this week's free download is?

THE PHILIP COHEN COLLECTION: BOB DYLAN - COMPLETE BASEMENT TAPES

I'm really upset at being put through this kind of thing - Phil, you could have given us some advance notice, maybe a release date, track list... A few bones at least. Instead we have to endure this wall of secrecy, this deliberate policy not to keep the fans informed.

Be advised, that for all recent downloads on that website that are credited(by the website operator's courtesy) to "The Philip Cohen Collection" that I have NOT supplied the material. My only input was to pre-screen Discs one through four, to ensure that the website operator does not offer anything that is on Sony/Columbia's official "The Basement Tapes" 2-CD set. I advised that several tracks on Disc Four should be omitted, since they were released officially by Sony/Columbia. Be advised that some of the tracks on that "Basement Tapes" bootleg(particularly on Disc One) are badly distorted.....unlistenable. Fortunately the Dylan fans won't have to pay to get this low-fidelity crap.

I still don't understand how this stuff isn't considered "in your collection" if the f*ckign page is called "The Philip Cohen Collection".

[PhilCohen]

Just had the new BigO newsletter by email. Guess what this week's free download is?

THE PHILIP COHEN COLLECTION: BOB DYLAN - COMPLETE BASEMENT TAPES

I'm really upset at being put through this kind of thing - Phil, you could have given us some advance notice, maybe a release date, track list... A few bones at least. Instead we have to endure this wall of secrecy, this deliberate policy not to keep the fans informed.

I still don't understand how this stuff isn't considered "in your collection" if the f*ckign page is called "The Philip Cohen Collection".
Be advised, that for all recent downloads on that website that are credited(by the website operator's courtesy) to "The Philip Cohen Collection" that I have NOT supplied the material. My only input was to pre-screen Discs one through four, to ensure that the website operator does not offer anything that is on Sony/Columbia's official "The Basement Tapes" 2-CD set. I advised that several tracks on Disc Four should be omitted, since they were released officially by Sony/Columbia. Be advised that some of the tracks on that "Basement Tapes" bootleg(particularly on Disc One) are badly distorted.....unlistenable. Fortunately the Dylan fans won't have to pay to get this low-fidelity crap.

[PhilCohen]

Answer:The website operator is thanking me for my "consulting" by making these titles an (honorary) part of "The Philip Cohen Collection". The website operator has used no actual material from my collection in the year 2012.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Honorary or not (and in the vast majority of the pages, it's not), your name is still in the strapline, and directly associated with a site that offers downloads of material that infringes every copyright law there is, or in other words, bootlegs (and this has not gone unnoticed in the relevant quarters - I'd be very, very careful what I say and post here, were I you).

And, uh, I thought you were taking yourself off somewhere else ? Seems the respite lasted about 34 seconds.

[PhilCohen]

Honorary or not (and in the vast majority of the pages, it's not), your name is still in the strapline, and directly associated with a site that offers downloads of material that infringes every copyright law there is, or in other words, bootlegs (and this has not gone unnoticed in the relevant quarters - I'd be very, very careful what I say and post here, were I you).

And, uh, I thought you were taking yourself off somewhere else ? Seems the respite lasted about 34 seconds.

The bottom line is this: I myself have never uploaded as much as one note of music onto the internet.

[The Shift]

"I did not have sex with that woman."

"... but I didn't inhale..."

"the cheque's in the post"

"of course I love you, erm, honey?"

"I'll never work with those guys again"

"the Smile tapes are gone, I burned 'em"

"of course I won't come to Vermouth"

[Andrew G. Doe]

Honorary or not (and in the vast majority of the pages, it's not), your name is still in the strapline, and directly associated with a site that offers downloads of material that infringes every copyright law there is, or in other words, bootlegs (and this has not gone unnoticed in the relevant quarters - I'd be very, very careful what I say and post here, were I you).

And, uh, I thought you were taking yourself off somewhere else ? Seems the respite lasted about 34 seconds.

The bottom line is this: I myself have never uploaded as much as one note of music onto the internet.

That's like saying "I never killed anyone - I just supplied the guy who did with the gun and the shells".

Taking only the Smile download into account, you supplied the tracks, the artwork, the liner notes and the instructions on how to burn it to achieve a smooth flow. I guess when you passed all that on to the guy who runs the site, you never for a single moment thought he'd upload it to the 'net, did you ? Bottom line: you've knowingly supplied a long-established 'legging site with archive, copyrighted material from your own collection. That, my seriously dumb friend, makes you at best an accomplice to a criminal act: by any reasonable definition, it makes you a 'legger yourself, and in court you wouldn't have a leg to stand on. so stop fooling yourself. You're a bootlegger, end of.

[PhilCohen]

Honorary or not (and in the vast majority of the pages, it's not), your name is still in the strapline, and directly associated with a site that offers downloads of material that infringes every copyright law there is, or in other words, bootlegs (and this has not gone unnoticed in the relevant quarters - I'd be very, very careful what I say and post here, were I you).

And, uh, I thought you were taking yourself off somewhere else ? Seems the respite lasted about 34 seconds.

The bottom line is this: I myself have never uploaded as much as one note of music onto the internet.

That's like saying "I never killed anyone - I just supplied the guy who did with the gun and the shells".

Taking only the Smile download into account, you supplied the tracks, the artwork, the liner notes and the instructions on how to burn it to achieve a smooth flow. I guess when you passed all that on to the guy who runs the site, you never for a single moment thought he'd upload it to the 'net, did you ? Bottom line: you've knowingly supplied a long-established 'legging site with archive, copyrighted material from your own collection. That, my seriously dumb friend, makes you at best an accomplice to a criminal act: by any reasonable definition, it makes you a 'legger yourself, and in court you wouldn't have a leg to stand on. so stop fooling yourself. You're a bootlegger, end of.

But, if you look back at earlier posts, you will see that I DIDN'T provide the "Smile" compilation to that website, but once I became aware that they had it(and the typewritten "liner notes" that I had created for, and photocopied for 3 friends), I provided a brief bit of updated introductory liner notes, and I told them which[officially released] tracks to omit from their download, that's it. And the website in question ceased offering the material shortly before Capitol released "The Smile Sessions". You are being a hypocrite, Mr.Doe, because there are people on this forum who continue(to this day)to post links to file storage sites which contain those forum members' "Smile" fan mixes, and these fan mixes are being offered AFTER Capitol already released the recordings officially. And yet you're not accusing those forum members of being bootleggers.

And I will reiterate, the new offerings on the main page of that website(to which you refer), and even the list of "re-started" older recordings on that main page no longer(effective January 2012) features any recordings that actually come from my collection regardless of how they are being designated. And I didn't "supply" the "Smile" artwork. It comes from a 1990's Japanese CD release, known to fans as "T-2580"

[Andrew G. Doe]

Honorary or not (and in the vast majority of the pages, it's not), your name is still in the strapline, and directly associated with a site that offers downloads of material that infringes every copyright law there is, or in other words, bootlegs (and this has not gone unnoticed in the relevant quarters - I'd be very, very careful what I say and post here, were I you).

And, uh, I thought you were taking yourself off somewhere else ? Seems the respite lasted about 34 seconds.

The bottom line is this: I myself have never uploaded as much as one note of music onto the internet.

That's like saying "I never killed anyone - I just supplied the guy who did with the gun and the shells".

Taking only the Smile download into account, you supplied the tracks, the artwork, the liner notes and the instructions on how to burn it to achieve a smooth flow. I guess when you passed all that on to the guy who runs the site, you never for a single moment thought he'd upload it to the 'net, did you ? Bottom line: you've knowingly supplied a long-established 'legging site with archive, copyrighted material from your own collection. That, my seriously dumb friend, makes you at best an accomplice to a criminal act: by any reasonable definition, it makes you a 'legger yourself, and in court you wouldn't have a leg to stand on. so stop fooling yourself. You're a bootlegger, end of.

But, if you look back at earlier posts, you will see that I DIDN'T provide the "Smile" compilation to that website

Really ? From said site, direct cut & past, unaltered:

"State of the art computer editing and noise reduction techniques have been used to properly assemble “Smile” for the first time (remember, this was compiled between 2000-2003), using the best possible sources. And we’re proud to present a full fidelity source for “Holidays” (previously mis-titled as “Tones”).

This two-CD “Smile” set is one of my greatest CD creations. Thanks to my friend Mike (who has apparently gone to the great CD mastering studio in the sky) for his considerable computer editing and noise reduction system expertise. The artwork has been “Borrowed” from a Japanese “Smile” bootleg. -
Philip Cohen

"...one of my greatest CD creations."

Know something ? Lying to yourself is worse than lying to everyone else here. It's called delusion, or denial. And you can't provide any shred of a defence because all I'm doing here is using your own words against you. Unless, of course,  you're prepared to admit to lying about compiling the CDs as well. You're a sad, sad, deluded man with a very unhealthy persecution complex. fact is, aside from your infringing their copyrights, Capitol don't give a flying one about your paranoia over the (non-existant) wall of Silence... but they do know about your bootlegging activities, so you'd be well advised to be very, very careful in the future.

[Aegir]

can't you guys just do this in PMs? this has nothing to do with "commemorative releases".

[Andrew G. Doe]

I'm done. 

[PhilCohen]

Honorary or not (and in the vast majority of the pages, it's not), your name is still in the strapline, and directly associated with a site that offers downloads of material that infringes every copyright law there is, or in other words, bootlegs (and this has not gone unnoticed in the relevant quarters - I'd be very, very careful what I say and post here, were I you).

And, uh, I thought you were taking yourself off somewhere else ? Seems the respite lasted about 34 seconds.

The bottom line is this: I myself have never uploaded as much as one note of music onto the internet.

That's like saying "I never killed anyone - I just supplied the guy who did with the gun and the shells".

Taking only the Smile download into account, you supplied the tracks, the artwork, the liner notes and the instructions on how to burn it to achieve a smooth flow. I guess when you passed all that on to the guy who runs the site, you never for a single moment thought he'd upload it to the 'net, did you ? Bottom line: you've knowingly supplied a long-established 'legging site with archive, copyrighted material from your own collection. That, my seriously dumb friend, makes you at best an accomplice to a criminal act: by any reasonable definition, it makes you a 'legger yourself, and in court you wouldn't have a leg to stand on. so stop fooling yourself. You're a bootlegger, end of.

But, if you look back at earlier posts, you will see that I DIDN'T provide the "Smile" compilation to that website

Really ? From said site, direct cut & past, unaltered:

"State of the art computer editing and noise reduction techniques have been used to properly assemble “Smile” for the first time (remember, this was compiled between 2000-2003), using the best possible sources. And we’re proud to present a full fidelity source for “Holidays” (previously mis-titled as “Tones”).

This two-CD “Smile” set is one of my greatest CD creations. Thanks to my friend Mike (who has apparently gone to the great CD mastering studio in the sky) for his considerable computer editing and noise reduction system expertise. The artwork has been “Borrowed” from a Japanese “Smile” bootleg. -
Philip Cohen

"...one of my greatest CD creations."

Know something ? Lying to yourself is worse than lying to everyone else here. It's called delusion, or denial.

Saying it was "My creation" and creating mock liner notes was my idea. I am a music fan who frequently creates a historical essay to include when creating compilations of rare material for my close friends. Putting the collection onto the internet wasn't my idea. The original compiling was done about six to seven years before that download site existed. As for creating "liner notes" when I'm making a CD-R only for one collector, I like giving things the deluxe treatment. It's a holdover from my 1970's days as a hippie. I've got some some "good stuff"(in this case, rare or unreleased material that you couldn't buy officially, even if you wanted to), and I want to "Turn People On".

[Andrew G. Doe]

can't you guys just do this in PMs? this has nothing to do with "commemorative releases".

Cohen has a very bad record with PMs - he can't grasp that the P stands for "private".

[PhilCohen]

can't you guys just do this in PMs? this has nothing to do with "commemorative releases".

I agree.Let's go back to talking about "50th Anniversary" releases. "The Smile Sessions" now provides the definitive collection of "Smile" recordings. Let's enjoy it.

[18thofMay]

I brought all this up when you first started bagging SMiLE and saying it would never come out blah blah..Remember that Phil? You wasted some good money on SMiLE material..

[PhilCohen]

I brought all this up when you first started bagging SMiLE and saying it would never come out blah blah..Remember that Phil? You wasted some good money on SMiLE material..

You fail to understand(given The Beach Boys' past history with vault projects) why a 5 month Wall of Silence caused me and some others to wonder if the official "Smile" project had gone into permanent limbo.....or been cancelled.
The past is now prologue. "The Smile Sessions" is here. It's time for forum bullies to stop ganging up on me, and cool it.

[Aegir]

I didn't truly believe The Smile Sessions was going to come out until I held it in my hands. It's Smile, the fact that it was never released is one of its defining features.

But for some random new album which probably hasn't been recorded in sections that are hard to piece together, probably didn't make Brian believe he set the building across the street on fire, probably doesn't have to compete with Paul McCartney's latest release "iTunes Live from Capitol Studios", et cetera, there's no reason to believe it won't be released. Yeah, details aren't coming in as quickly as we want them to, but just be patient.

[Andrew G. Doe]

I didn't truly believe The Smile Sessions was going to come out until I held it in my hands.

I did. In fact, I more than believed: I knew.

[Runaways]

y'know what i want on the next release?  an official release of the original "big sur".  i'd love that.

[seltaeb1012002]

y'know what i want on the next release?  an official release of the original "big sur".  i'd love that.

Definitely. Would love a clean version of "Marilyn Rovell" as well.

There's a lot of stuff we've heard in sh*t quality that would be pretty revealing to hear in full quality.