Aborted 1966 and 1967 live albums?

[Rocky Raccoon]

In the iTunes LP for The Smile Sessions, it says that several live shows were recorded during the period.  The first was in Michigan in 1966 which would document the first ever performance of Good Vibrations.  The second was in Hawaii in 1967 featuring Brian!!!  Does anybody know why these albums were never released and if there are any public recordings of them available?  It would be awesome to see an archival release of both shows together, I would especially love to hear the one from '67.

[Mikie]

The Michigan and Hawaii shows have been bootlegged. Also investigate the Wally Heider studio stuff from that period which has also been bootlegged.

[Jon Stebbins]

In the iTunes LP for The Smile Sessions, it says that several live shows were recorded during the period.  The first was in Michigan in 1966 which would document the first ever performance of Good Vibrations.  The second was in Hawaii in 1967 featuring Brian!!!  Does anybody know why these albums were never released and if there are any public recordings of them available?  It would be awesome to see an archival release of both shows together, I would especially love to hear the one from '67.

I would suggest that you use the search option this board makes available and enter Lei'd In Hawaii or Hawaii Concert 1967  or Michigan 1966...use your imagination for variations. There have been countless discussions on this board and others about this well researched subject. You might also try "google". Pretty much everybody here knows why these albums were never released, and you can too with just a tiny bit of effort.

[Rocky Raccoon]

I would suggest that you use the search option this board makes available and enter Lei'd In Hawaii or Hawaii Concert 1967  or Michigan 1966...use your imagination for variations. There have been countless discussions on this board and others about this well researched subject. You might also try "google". Pretty much everybody here knows why these albums were never released, and you can too with just a tiny bit of effort.

Well I didn't know that everybody here knew that.  I'm fairly new to these message boards, no need to get cheeky.  I didn't intend to annoy anyone.  But thank you.

[Justin]

Not to be "cheeky" myself but this issue of repeated threads has been touched on a little in other threads also and considering I am a "newbie" myself, and there might be more new members coming on to the board especially with the Reunion tour coming up---there will probably be an influx of repeat threads coming.  To be completely fair, there is no rule in the Rules and Guidelines section about what kind of threads we can/can't start. 

Don't get me wrong...I completely understsand how people can be annoyed by this.  It's a legitimate pet peeve.  On other messageboards that I visit (of other bands) where I've been around much longer, I also get irked when simple and repeated threads come up from new members.  But I will say that out of all the boards I visit, this board seems to have a very low (close to zero) tolerance on the matter. 

All I'm saying is that if this issue bothers people so much, perhaps we should escalate it to the powers that be and have the moderators create an official rule and/or a sticky at the top of the board to remind all members of the new rule:  "RESEARCH YOUR QUESTION:  Use the Search function as a required first step before posting."  Again, I don't know how seriously the moderators feel about this but from the reaction on the board...it seems to be something most people want.  At least then, new members know what's up around these parts.

[adam78]

Pretty much everybody here knows why these albums were never released

Yes, but seemingly sharing it with so obviously a new member, should be added to that list on a stone that Moses was handed to by God.

Jeez. No wonder this place has a rep.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Don't get me wrong...I completely understsand how people can be annoyed by this.  It's a legitimate pet peeve.  On other messageboards that I visit (of other bands) where I've been around much longer, I also get irked when simple and repeated threads come up from new members.  But I will say that out of all the boards I visit, this board seems to have a very low (close to zero) tolerance on the matter.  

True. And it's absurd. I bet if you tally up the time it would take to give the answer and then tally up the time it takes for people who know the answer to not give the answer but instead explain why they aren't giving the answer, it would equal out to roughly the same time. So what's the point? There is an answer to this question but my guess is it's too uncomfortable an answer for many people to confront it.

[DonnyL]

The happy medium might be to give a brief answer and then refer to the search function for deeper details.

Some of these tracks are scattered on various archive releases.

The '93 box set includes 'Good Vibrations' from Michigan '66 as well as 'Surfer Girl' from Hawaii '67 (rehearsal).

The 'Concert'/'Live in London' reissue CD has 'Heroes & Villains' from the Hawaii show.

The 'Smiley Smile'/'Wild Honey' CD includes 'Their Hearts Were Full of Spring' (rehearsal).

'Leid in Hawaii' was originally planned as a live album to follow 'Smiley Smile'.  Brian went with the group (Bruce stayed home because he felt things got 'weird') and brought his Baldwin organ (a trademark sound of the period).

The performances (2 shows) were deemed to be unfit for release (there were some technical problems and the group simply felt they didn't perform very well), so they actually went back into the studio to fake the live show.  Some of these recordings have been released ('God Only Knows' on 'Endless Harmony' and 'Good Vibrations' on 'Hawthorne, CA').

Ultimately, the album concept turned into 'Wild Honey' instead, so they put that out ... 'The Letter' from the 1983 'Rarities' LP is from the same sessions I believe.

Fan opinions are mixed regarding the material ... a fairly accurate description is that it sounds like the Beach Boys playing live tracks in the style of 'Smiley Smile' ... very stripped down, kind of foggy & druggy.  I personally love it and would like to see a full 'Lei'd in Hawaii' release with the concerts, rehearsals, and studio re-recordings.

One thing notable about this show (aside from Brian's appearance) is that this is essentially what the group did instead of playing Monterey Pop, where they were a legendary no-show.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Go here - Unreleased albums.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

we can only wonder how such a stripped down Smiley Smile-esque set would have gone down at Monterrey!!!!!!

[DonnyL]

we can only wonder how such a stripped down Smiley Smile-esque set would have gone down at Monterrey!!!!!!

The bigger question is: Would they have worn the striped shirts?!

[Jon Stebbins]

Maybe its a generational thing. Some people seem to routinely ignore the obvious...like doing searches. This board is an awesome resource and the search function will get you up to speed on just about any fundamental BB's related thing you want to know. You came to the right place Rocky if you want to learn some cool stuff. Just don't piss off AGD.

[Mikie]

For the Newb's.  Make sure that you acknowledge the signature (footer) on AGD's posts:

"Got a question ? Try Bellagio 10452 first - if the answer's not there, then ask me."

You can also ask some of us wanna-be know-it-alls on the board.

[DonnyL]

I think some of it is just that things look a lot different from the inside than the outside.

I knew a girl who was a waitress at a hipster restaurant.  We were having a conversation on her break.  Eventually the conversation turned to "stupid customers".  "I hate the 'ranch' people," she said.  "People are always asking for a side of ranch. We don't even have ranch and there's nothing on our menu with ranch!  It's so annoying."

[Heysaboda]

Go here - Unreleased albums.

Word!

I highly and heartily recommend a daily perusal of AGD's site with your morning coffee.  Outstanding!  With or without a side of Ranch!

[Andrew G. Doe]

Maybe its a generational thing. Some people seem to routinely ignore the obvious...like doing searches. This board is an awesome resource and the search function will get you up to speed on just about any fundamental BB's related thing you want to know. You came to the right place Rocky if you want to learn some cool stuff. Just don't piss off AGD.

When someone shows they're willing to try first (and as Jon says, these days it's very, very easy), no problem... but when someone come straight in with the "tell me this, explain that, why is this so ?" approach, well... 

[Steve Mayo]

yes, the search feature is a very nice function to use.

and remember..google is your best buddy. a lot of the stuff you may love to hear but never have can be found using google. very easy to find and obtain. (a lot easier than back in the day when one had to use snail mail to collect this stuff)

oh...welcome to the board.

[guitarfool2002]

There was also a question which popped up again and again for years about the "weird" version of "Do You Like Worms" from a few Smile sets, which turned out to be a cover from Ant-Bee (in one of the most sublime examples of either direct or indirect guerrilla marketing I've seen... ). Whenever someone heard or acquired this recording for the first time, the question would pop up again and again, and someone would answer "it's a cover by Ant-Bee, not a Brian mix" and I'm sure more people searched and accessed Ant-Bee's website and info based on that than on any traditional marketing methods. It became a running joke, but in a good way and in a harmless way. I could see someone who had no idea of the backstory maybe feeling like they were getting mocked or blown off, but it wasn't that way. But in that case too, a search on the topic would have answered that.

That Worms cover...ahhh, not too big of a fan. But in general, when I saw that Ant-Bee covered The Monkees "Love Is Only Sleeping", I thought before even hearing it that anyone who covers *that* Monkees tune is alright in my book, and I'll have a listen to his other music.

I'd say there is more in-depth info on the Hawaii shows collected in various threads here than you'll find anywhere else. It's worth a search!

[guitarfool2002]

I knew a girl who was a waitress at a hipster restaurant.

Was Pabst Blue Ribbon the featured beer on tap?

[DonnyL]

I knew a girl who was a waitress at a hipster restaurant.

Was Pabst Blue Ribbon the featured beer on tap?

I think it's more 'upscale' hipster ... so probably Stella !

[adamghost]

Is it true that Brian Wilson slept in a sandbox for three years?

[Cam Mott]

I knew a girl who was a waitress at a hipster restaurant.

Was Pabst Blue Ribbon the featured beer on tap?

PBR and their returnable glass bottles got us through college.

[Aegir]

The only thing I hate more than hipster jokes is people bumping old threads from like 12 years ago! It even gives you a warning "this thread is f.u.cki.n.g old! don't post here unless it's really important!"

[Justin]

Posting on Smiley Smile 101:

Posting to an old thread:
"We hate that!  Go away!"

Posting a completely new thread:
"Come on, we already talked about that before...go away!"


Okay, got it 

[DonnyL]

I've found that if you use the word 'hipster', it means you're a hipster ... oops