What parts in The Smile Sessions weren't recorded during the Smile sessions?

[Puggal]

There seem to be many parts, especially vocal tracks, included in The Smile Sessions that were recorded well after Smile was shelved. In Surf's Up, for example, Carl's vocal, the bass Moog, and entire outro was recorded during the Surf's Up sessions in 1971. What else was recorded after Smile was shelved?

Some things I've found:
Much of Heroes and Villains, especially the vocal tracks, were probably recorded during the Smiley Smile sessions in the summer of 1967. 

Brian's a capella vocal in Vega-Tables was most likely recorded during the Smiley Smile sessions.

The "whispering winds" vocal in Holidays was probably recorded during the Smiley Smile sessions.

[hypehat]

The Water Chant was recorded in late 1967.

Surf's Up 1967, obviously.

Carl's scat fly-ins on Dada.

Must be more, but insomnia's a bitch.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Granted it takes a little digging, and a magnifying glass, but all the info you seek is in the box set booklet sessionography.

[soniclovenoize]

I've noticed that the parts recorded "at home" after SMiLE was scrapped are very dry sounding...  possibly due to a lack of a great vocal room? 

[Zach95]

I've noticed that the parts recorded "at home" after SMiLE was scrapped are very dry sounding...  possibly due to a lack of a great vocal room? 

I've thought of this before, and perhaps I'm sounding a little naive when I say this, but weren't great sounding albums like Sunflower and Surf's Up also recorded in Brian's home studio?  Granted, I've heard the things about the vocals on Smiley Smile (or at least some of them) being recorded in the empty pool and such...but other than technological advancements, why does Sunflower and Surf's Up sound just so much superior than say Smiley, Wild Honey, and Friends?  Was it simply a lack of focus and effort on the band's part...or Brian's lack of enthusiasm, or did technology really play that big a role? I mean...it seems as if the sound quality went DOWN after Pet Sounds/Smile, so that doesn't make sense other than the home studio being unfit for commercial recording.  But then we have Sunflower and Surf's UP...and...I'm just all confused by the whole thing.

I hope that made sense.

[hypehat]

By the time Sunflower, Surf's Up and so on had been recorded, Brian's studio had been upgraded significantly and even had an echo chamber made out of the old chauffeurs quarters above the garage. I believe initially the equipment had been rented from Wally Heider Studios (Right, guitarfool?) and in another incarnation doubled as the bands touring set-up (also, Stephen Desper did tour with the group, leaving Brian without his principal engineer). It is also worth noting that Brian never really stopped using the studios downtown, which accounts for good sound.

[Zach95]

By the time Sunflower, Surf's Up and so on had been recorded, Brian's studio had been upgraded significantly and even had an echo chamber made out of the old chauffeurs quarters above the garage. I believe initially the equipment had been rented from Wally Heider Studios (Right, guitarfool?) and in another incarnation doubled as the bands touring set-up (also, Stephen Desper did tour with the group, leaving Brian without his principal engineer). It is also worth noting that Brian never really stopped using the studios downtown, which accounts for good sound.

Oh okay, that clears things up significantly for me! So, Brian did use the studios downtown, and the band didn't necessarily record everything at the house?

[hypehat]

Not necessarily everything, although more often than not it's at the house in the period. I'd suggest studying Bellagio 10452 

[Zach95]

Not necessarily everything, although more often than not it's at the house in the period. I'd suggest studying Bellagio 10452 

Of course, the greatest Beach Boys informative source on the web! 

[Puggal]

Granted it takes a little digging, and a magnifying glass, but all the info you seek is in the box set booklet sessionography.

I don't have the box set, just the standard two disc release. Has the sessionography been posted somewhere online?

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Granted it takes a little digging, and a magnifying glass, but all the info you seek is in the box set booklet sessionography.

I don't have the box set, just the standard two disc release. Has the sessionography been posted somewhere online?

I'm in the same boat as you...can't afford the box!

[Sam_BFC]

I mean...it seems as if the sound quality went DOWN after Pet Sounds/Smile, so that doesn't make sense other than the home studio being unfit for commercial recording.  

Sure the production quality was less, err elaborate, but is the sound quality really worse?

It is a very interesting topic actually, because there is a marked change in the sound of everything post Pet Sounds/Smile - for obvious reasons.  Aside from the obvious though, I think a lot of the Smiley stuff sounds kinda cleaner than the stuff that came before.  For instance, If you listen to the vocal mixes from the PS set it sounds like there is a lot of saturation that probably comes from driving the preamps/console quite hard (and of course there is that glorious reverb) that isn't there on the Smiley vocals.  And perhaps the fact that Brian was so into bouncing down to free up more tracks during the 'hits' era also resulted in some degregation.

That said, I think most agree that the Wild Honey mix is a little dull/muddy etc.

[Puggal]

Granted it takes a little digging, and a magnifying glass, but all the info you seek is in the box set booklet sessionography.

I don't have the box set, just the standard two disc release. Has the sessionography been posted somewhere online?

I'm in the same boat as you...can't afford the box!

I can afford the box, but I'm not interested in hearing all of the outtakes. I just wanted to hear the "finished" Smile with Beach Boys vocals.

[Zach95]

I mean...it seems as if the sound quality went DOWN after Pet Sounds/Smile, so that doesn't make sense other than the home studio being unfit for commercial recording.  

Sure the production quality was less, err elaborate, but is the sound quality really worse?

It is a very interesting topic actually, because there is a marked change in the sound of everything post Pet Sounds/Smile - for obvious reasons.  Aside from the obvious though, I think a lot of the Smiley stuff sounds kinda cleaner than the stuff that came before.  For instance, If you listen to the vocal mixes from the PS set it sounds like there is a lot of saturation that probably comes from driving the preamps/console quite hard (and of course there is that glorious reverb) that isn't there on the Smiley vocals.  And perhaps the fact that Brian was so into bouncing down to free up more tracks during the 'hits' era also resulted in some degregation.

That said, I think most agree that the Wild Honey mix is a little dull/muddy etc.

You make an interesting point, I suppose I'm not distinguishing production so much from sound quality.  However, Wild Honey, like you mentioned, definitely sounds different in terms of clarity than the other records.  Listening to the Unsurpassed Masters stuff, the Wild Honey outtakes, the backing tracks really sound great in stereo, as do the vocals, so as many people here have mentioned a stereo Wild Honey would be superb. 

[hypehat]

It's definitely dry, until after Friends - echo is used very sparingly, the arrangements aren't bombastic like before, but possibly the installation of the echo chamber in Bellagio might have changed the game, although I don't know when that was.

Certainly the shift between the Friends/20/20 and Sunflower styles of production indicate that it had happened then....