What ISNT on TSS

[Dunderhead]

So what boots are obsolete now?

[runnersdialzero]

So what boots are obsolete now?

This is gonna be a bitch to sort out. Some stuff is here in great quality but in less complete form than on a bootleg. Again, I wouldn't go deleting anything quite yet, and it's basically impossible for anyone here to know quite yet what has become redundant and what hasn't.

[?]

The Inside Pop solo version of Surf's Up isn't on the box.

[Fun Is In]

Is there any sign of the legendary/mythical acetates from Durrie Parks' attic having been obtained for the TSS project?

[hypehat]

They had been, and there was apparently not much of interest.

They've excised some of the swearing from the tapes! It's a bit strange, seeing as some is left in.

[donald]

So what boots are obsolete now?

This is gonna be a bitch to sort out. Some stuff is here in great quality but in less complete form than on a bootleg. Again, I wouldn't go deleting anything quite yet, and it's basically impossible for anyone here to know quite yet what has become redundant and what hasn't.

How true.    And the overdubs and "fly ins" make it all even more difficult to sort out.  It will take some time.  Maybe one day, I'll get some decent editing software and try some different versions of SMiLE based on personal preference.  I've always enjoyed tinkering with the sequence of this music.  Now there is so much more to work with and sort out.  Fun Fun Fun!

Oh, and if I were tossing redundant BeachBoys music I could probably find a lot more than SMiLE to toss.  I just keep it all.

[Chris Brown]

They've excised some of the swearing from the tapes! It's a bit strange, seeing as some is left in.

I thought that was odd too - I wish they'd left it all in just so they could throw a "Parental Advisory" sticker on the front.  How cool would that have been, seeing people's reactions to that sticker on a Beach Boys record?

[TerryWogan]

^ Oh, you've got to elaborate on that one .

I can't recall any particularly colourful language on the boots I've heard- what do I need to listen out for?

[37!ws]

Terry -- I distinctly remember hearing Mike say "Oh, f**k" on the booted version of the "Our Prayer" rehearsal. I'm sure there was more, but I can't think of any right now. Even pre-Smile...the Recorded "live" at a...Beach Boys' Party! outtakes are LOADED with profanities (and one even made it to the album if you listen to "Devoted To You" closely!).

Fun Is In -- I think it's been reported that Durrie's acetates were auditioned for the project, but didn't have anything worthwhile.

AvanTodd -- yeah, but that really needs to be SEEN. The audio quality isn't really appropriate, considering the sound quality of the rest of the set...but yeah, you need to SEE that. Only known video footage in existence of Brian soloing at that.

Fishmonk -- I think we can safely assume that any boot whose sole contents are the Linnet '88 tape are obsolete.

[JohnMill]

Terry -- I distinctly remember hearing Mike say "Oh, f**k" on the booted version of the "Our Prayer" rehearsal. I'm sure there was more, but I can't think of any right now. Even pre-Smile...the Recorded "live" at a...Beach Boys' Party! outtakes are LOADED with profanities (and one even made it to the album if you listen to "Devoted To You" closely!).

Fun Is In -- I think it's been reported that Durrie's acetates were auditioned for the project, but didn't have anything worthwhile.

AvanTodd -- yeah, but that really needs to be SEEN. The audio quality isn't really appropriate, considering the sound quality of the rest of the set...but yeah, you need to SEE that. Only known video footage in existence of Brian soloing at that.

Fishmonk -- I think we can safely assume that any boot whose sole contents are the Linnet '88 tape are obsolete.

I don't think Linett's 1988 mixes can be discarded at all.  I still think that if you want pure interpretations of the material without any of the fly-ins, you really need to consult those mixes.  "Wonderful" in particular if you want to hear the track without the yodeling vocals which on TSS somewhat obscure Brian's lead at times, then you need to consult the earlier mix.  Offhand I believe the same goes for a lot of Linett's 88' mixes which I think were pretty solid considering what he was working with at the time.

As an aside I was amazed as to how candid they were in allowing certain strands of dialogue to remain.  The "Denny Hash Joints" comment is one that immediately springs to mind which is something that if you asked me months earlier I probably would have said had no chance of making the cut.

Honestly I think anything that could have been interpreted the wrong way such as some of Brian's comments to Hal Blaine during the "Veggie Arguments" or Van Dyke's comments during the "Good Humor Man" segment weren't going to make the cut anyhow.  Add to that a lot of the profanity that litters the "SMiLE Era Party" and it's no surprise that that session wasn't mined for the box set either.  But I think overall they were pretty candid about what they did include as far as dialogue goes.

[37!ws]

I don't think Linett's 1988 mixes can be discarded at all.  I still think that if you want pure interpretations of the material without any of the fly-ins, you really need to consult those mixes.  "Wonderful" in particular if you want to hear the track without the yodeling vocals which on TSS somewhat obscure Brian's lead at times, then you need to consult the earlier mix.  Offhand I believe the same goes for a lot of Linett's 88' mixes which I think were pretty solid considering what he was working with at the time.

yeah, but most of 'em are on the GV box, though, aren't they??

As an aside I was amazed as to how candid they were in allowing certain strands of dialogue to remain.  The "Denny Hash Joints" comment is one that immediately springs to mind which is something that if you asked me months earlier I probably would have said had no chance of making the cut.

I think it' just there to basically confirm what everybody says -- that drugs were a big part of Smile. The "acid trip" comment is in there, too, but like on the boots, it's subtle; you almost have to specifically pay attention to catch it. (Then again, a friend of mine, who knows NOTHING about the Beach Boys, stopped by one day when I was listening to the P**k*py tapes, and I just let it play while he was over. My friend said, "HOLD IT -- were they TRIPPING?! I thought I heard someone say something about acid!")

[JohnMill]

I don't think Linett's 1988 mixes can be discarded at all.  I still think that if you want pure interpretations of the material without any of the fly-ins, you really need to consult those mixes.  "Wonderful" in particular if you want to hear the track without the yodeling vocals which on TSS somewhat obscure Brian's lead at times, then you need to consult the earlier mix.  Offhand I believe the same goes for a lot of Linett's 88' mixes which I think were pretty solid considering what he was working with at the time.

yeah, but most of 'em are on the GV box, though, aren't they??

Some are, others aren't.  Anyhow isn't the GV box set considered to be an inferior source comparitively speaking for the SMiLE material sound quality wise?

[runnersdialzero]

How would the GV box set be an inferior source? Several tracks on TSS (the actual session tracks) are limited to all hell for no apparent reason.

[JohnMill]

How would the GV box set be an inferior source? Several tracks on TSS (the actual session tracks) are limited to all hell for no apparent reason.

Well I guess it depends on your perspective and how your ears hear things.  For me TSS sound heads and tails better than the GV box.

[Jason]

All of the mixes on the GV box (except for the Cantina H&V) are different from what's on the TSS box, however.

[hypehat]

^ Oh, you've got to elaborate on that one .

I can't recall any particularly colourful language on the boots I've heard- what do I need to listen out for?

Off the top of my head, there's Carl dropping an F-bomb during the Dum Dum Dum session - the box cuts off the sentence which essentially runs 'we go to the, er, diminished, whatever the f*ck that is"

Mike's infamous 'Someone bring me a dildo' is (understandably) dropped.

Dennis says 'Bullsh*t' during the Children Were Raised session, cut off on the box.

It's not like I have a list of this stuff, it just jars hearing boots you've pored over subtly altered.

[runnersdialzero]

So they'll cut out swearing but not the "hash joints" and "feeling the acid" comments?

wat

[hypehat]

So what I'm actually sad about them leaving out on the GV disc is the take of the speedy bridge where, whilst experimenting with the harmonica player the whole band kicks in and Brian ends up singing along on the talkback mic. The session's there, just not that part. I love that!

[Mahalo]

Wasn't Vege-tables on Vigotone an original Brian mix? I always liked how the verses were o/d on that one.

[Jason]

It's a Mark edit of a Brian mix; Mark basically removed the dead air between the segments. The original mix with dead air is on Secret Smile.

[Mahalo]

Gotcha. This weekend I am going to try to assemble what I can for total completeness without any redundancy in my SMiLE collection of stuff.

[Mikie]

I don't remember ever hearing Mike say F*ck on Our Prayer or Carl saying it on Cabinessence. What boot(s) are those from? Can somebody steer me in that direction?

Yeah, the Beach Boys Party has some swearing on there..........but the all time worst is the "Dance, Dance, Dance" vocal session.

Hey, while I'm here, where's the Dennis' isolated Truck Drivin' Man vocals on the new box set?

[Bedroom Tapes]

I'm curious as to why "My Little Red Book" wasn't included on the SMiLE Sessions since that was recorded during that time period.

[JohnMill]

I'm curious as to why "My Little Red Book" wasn't included on the SMiLE Sessions since that was recorded during that time period.

Because it wasn't recorded during that time period.  It's a "Friends" era recording.

[Wirestone]

Hey, while I'm here, where's the Dennis' isolated Truck Drivin' Man vocals on the new box set?

This is a very good question.