What ISNT on TSS

[Bedroom Tapes]

I'm curious as to why "My Little Red Book" wasn't included on the SMiLE Sessions since that was recorded during that time period.

Because it wasn't recorded during that time period.  It's a "Friends" era recording.

Well according to AGD's site, it was.

[hypehat]

Well, seeing as AGD was the one who told me it was a Friends-Era recording...

[JohnMill]

Well, seeing as AGD was the one who told me it was a Friends-Era recording...

Yeah I remember AGD and a few others mentioning that both that and the "Indian/Italian instrumental" piece are "Friends" outtakes.

[Sam_BFC]

So why is Three Blind Mice - from 1965 - considered Smile era?

[onkster]

Not a musical bit, but a graphic one: I don't see the drawing of "Mrs. O'Leary's Cow" anywhere. Which means we're stuck with the less-than-perfect snapshot of it from the web.

[JohnMill]

Not a musical bit, but a graphic one: I don't see the drawing of "Mrs. O'Leary's Cow" anywhere. Which means we're stuck with the less-than-perfect snapshot of it from the web.

Yeah the drawing of "Mrs. O'Leary's Cow" was conspicuous by it's absence.

Now the drawing that is placed right beside the drawing for "Barnyard" in the book, is that supposed to be for "I'm In Great Shape"?

[Winston Wrong]

What about "Ball and Mitt"? Never heard of this one before and its not on psychedelic sounds - if you look at the picture of tape boxes in the hardback book, "Ball and Mitt" is written on the side of one of the boxes.

[Jeff]

So, what stuff isn't on the box?

Heroes and Villains "Cantina Version", in fact is the "at three score..." even on the set at all?
H&V vocal overdubs on UM17, I think they're instructive and I like the "hitsville" at the end.
Vegetables Celesta overdubs on UM17

I'm trying to figure out what to delete from my boot collection.

I like the "Hitsville" overdub sessions too.  Anyone know the date for those?

[JohnMill]

So, what stuff isn't on the box?

Heroes and Villains "Cantina Version", in fact is the "at three score..." even on the set at all?
H&V vocal overdubs on UM17, I think they're instructive and I like the "hitsville" at the end.
Vegetables Celesta overdubs on UM17

I'm trying to figure out what to delete from my boot collection.

I like the "Hitsville" overdub sessions too.  Anyone know the date for those?

If you are talking about the vocal overdubs onto the verse remake here it is:

HEROES AND VILLAINS

6-13-67 - tracking/vocal session, Brian's home studio

Verse, 1st vocal overdub (stereo) (0:54)
Verse, 2nd vocal overdub (stereo) (0:48)
Verse, 3rd vocal overdub (stereo) (0:50)
Verse, 4th vocal overdub (stereo) (0:49)
Verse, backing vocal overdub (stereo) (0:52)
Verse, organ overdub (stereo) (0:47)
Verse, 5th vocal overdub (stereo) (0:53)
Test edit (stereo) (2:01)
Verse, mono mix (mono) (0:57)
Verse, stereo mix (stereo) (0:59)

Available on Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 17 "Smile Sessions" (Part 1, five vocal overdubs [in longer versions on Heroes and Villains Sessions Part 2], Good Vibrations: Thirty Years of the Beach Boys 5-CD (Part 1, organ overdub), unbooted (mono mix, stereo mix), Heroes and Villains Sessions Part 2 (everything else)

Vocal/instrumental overdubs and rough mixes based on the original October 1966 track sessions.

[Mr. Cohen]

Yeah the drawing of "Mrs. O'Leary's Cow" was conspicuous by it's absence.

I think that has some relation to the fact that they didn't use that title for the song on The Smile Sessions. They're just calling it "Fire", or part 1 of "The Elements".

[runnersdialzero]

WHERE IS MARILYN'S VOCAL ON "VEGETBALES" AND HER SINGING "I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW"

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

What about "Ball and Mitt"? Never heard of this one before and its not on psychedelic sounds - if you look at the picture of tape boxes in the hardback book, "Ball and Mitt" is written on the side of one of the boxes.

I was SO hoping Ball and Mit would be a hidden track! Maybe it isn't that interesting listening to Dennis play catch.

[Jeff]

So, what stuff isn't on the box?

Heroes and Villains "Cantina Version", in fact is the "at three score..." even on the set at all?
H&V vocal overdubs on UM17, I think they're instructive and I like the "hitsville" at the end.
Vegetables Celesta overdubs on UM17

I'm trying to figure out what to delete from my boot collection.

I like the "Hitsville" overdub sessions too.  Anyone know the date for those?

If you are talking about the vocal overdubs onto the verse remake here it is:

HEROES AND VILLAINS

6-13-67 - tracking/vocal session, Brian's home studio

Verse, 1st vocal overdub (stereo) (0:54)
Verse, 2nd vocal overdub (stereo) (0:48)
Verse, 3rd vocal overdub (stereo) (0:50)
Verse, 4th vocal overdub (stereo) (0:49)
Verse, backing vocal overdub (stereo) (0:52)
Verse, organ overdub (stereo) (0:47)
Verse, 5th vocal overdub (stereo) (0:53)
Test edit (stereo) (2:01)
Verse, mono mix (mono) (0:57)
Verse, stereo mix (stereo) (0:59)

Available on Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 17 "Smile Sessions" (Part 1, five vocal overdubs [in longer versions on Heroes and Villains Sessions Part 2], Good Vibrations: Thirty Years of the Beach Boys 5-CD (Part 1, organ overdub), unbooted (mono mix, stereo mix), Heroes and Villains Sessions Part 2 (everything else)

Vocal/instrumental overdubs and rough mixes based on the original October 1966 track sessions.

Thanks, yes those are the ones (1st-5th vocal overdubs).

[Jeff]

So there's obviously some material from SOT 17 and even SOT 16 (Child) that is not on TSS.  And SOT 18, if you want to follow Wind Chimes, Wonderful, Veggies and Speeches/Bald after the end of the SMile sessions.  Then there's the odd track on the GV box set and Hawthorne.  There's also the additional spoken word material on Psychedelic Sounds.

Other than that, is there anything missing from TSS that is available elsewhere in good sound?  I'm excluding things like the muddy mono mix of Child.

[Dunderhead]

There is additional dialogue on some boots, I know some bits were missing when I listened to TSS, but there were just really minor things. There are additional takes of things on Heroes and Villains Sessions Volume 1, but I didn't hear anything substantial, just false starts and failed takes. As far as I can tell, Secret Smile is obsolete.

[Andrew G. Doe]

I'm curious as to why "My Little Red Book" wasn't included on the SMiLE Sessions since that was recorded during that time period.

Because it wasn't recorded during that time period.  It's a "Friends" era recording.

Well according to AGD's site, it was.

Was... then I got better info, and changed it. Maybe two years ago. 

[JohnMill]

There is additional dialogue on some boots, I know some bits were missing when I listened to TSS, but there were just really minor things. There are additional takes of things on Heroes and Villains Sessions Volume 1, but I didn't hear anything substantial, just false starts and failed takes. As far as I can tell, Secret Smile is obsolete.

Secret SMiLE I believe has a ton of session work for Cabinessence that you can't find anywhere else.  

[runnersdialzero]

There is additional dialogue on some boots, I know some bits were missing when I listened to TSS, but there were just really minor things. There are additional takes of things on Heroes and Villains Sessions Volume 1, but I didn't hear anything substantial, just false starts and failed takes. As far as I can tell, Secret Smile is obsolete.

Secret SMiLE I believe has a ton of session work for Cabinessence that you can't find anywhere else.  

Lots of sneezing, too.

[onkster]

I also just realized that the "Truck-Drivin' Man" drawing is missing too. Which makes me wanna check my collection and see if any other art is missing...dang...

[Jeff]

There is additional dialogue on some boots, I know some bits were missing when I listened to TSS, but there were just really minor things. There are additional takes of things on Heroes and Villains Sessions Volume 1, but I didn't hear anything substantial, just false starts and failed takes. As far as I can tell, Secret Smile is obsolete.

Secret SMiLE I believe has a ton of session work for Cabinessence that you can't find anywhere else.  

True, but it mostly repeats itself and what's on TSS.  I think that the only Secret Smile tracks that are really distinct are 17/verse chorus vocal overdub (leads off with the "doing doing" minus the other vocals) and 19/tag vocal overdub (isolated "have you seen the grand coulee" vocals).  Unfortunately, both tracks are very muddy.

[harrisonjon]

I probably wouldn't throw the boots even if all the material were duplicated on TSS. The boots are an artifact of a particular moment when they were the only available sources.

Moreover given that TSS utilizes the boots, they remain key sources, of historical interest in themselves.

[Jeff]

In listening again to SOT 17 and comparing it to TSS, I think the following tracks are especially worth keeping:

1-3, 1-6 (Smiley H&V)
2-13, 2-20, 2-21, 2-33, 2-35 (Vegetables)
3-8 (Wind Chimes)
3-10, 3-17 (Fire)
3-24 (Water chant)

[onkster]

Maybe I missed it, but I think the pizzicato string warmup for "My Only Sunshine" isn't on there. Which means I still have just the fairly lousy quality cassette tape version I got years ago from an editor that worked on, I think, the Cinemax "Keepin' the Summer Alive" TV special.

It was a cool little bit--reminds me very much of the beginning of XTC's "River of Orchids", a trickling beginning to something bigger. I used it to start off my own odd "Barnyard Suite" mix once.

[37!ws]

AGD -- I just checked out both versions of your site -- ESQ and btinternet -- and they both DO still have 2/14/67 as the recording date for "My Little Red Book." Is there a new location I don't know about???

[bsten]

Not complaining, just wondering...    (please let me wonder...  )
 
...about the "non-Smile" songs, Cool cool water, TTL etc,
why are they on the SMILE sessions album? It's not called
the "'66/'67 sessions album" or such...

...say, had Brian changed his mind in '67/'68 - perhaps CCW
could have been a Smile track? Was it ever considered
a Smile track?