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« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2011, 02:17:10 PM »

FWIW, the piano bleed makes these songs just a bit angrier...and cool. Nothing like Brian pounding away!!

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« Reply #51 on: November 15, 2011, 11:44:23 PM »

I never noticed until today but the sax line at the end of Sunshine (before Barnshine) is the really similar to the sax line as Great Shape! Definitely makes me wonder if Great Shape was supposed to go in there.
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« Reply #52 on: November 16, 2011, 10:00:37 AM »

I really love the 'Great Shape' demo, one of my favorite moments in recorded history. The fly-ins don't really fit over the track, and I wonder if vocals were even meant to go on there originally.

Here's a version that combines the demo and the track, while keeping them separate: http://www.sendspace.com/file/i5o3sw
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« Reply #53 on: November 16, 2011, 12:02:29 PM »

I really love the 'Great Shape' demo, one of my favorite moments in recorded history. The fly-ins don't really fit over the track, and I wonder if vocals were even meant to go on there originally.

Here's a version that combines the demo and the track, while keeping them separate: http://www.sendspace.com/file/i5o3sw

I like that idea, but I would probably loop the two last chords on the piano and fade it out.
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« Reply #54 on: November 16, 2011, 03:52:48 PM »

I never noticed until today but the sax line at the end of Sunshine (before Barnshine) is the really similar to the sax line as Great Shape! Definitely makes me wonder if Great Shape was supposed to go in there.
I can't really hear the similarity. Although I do think that the Old Master Painter/Sunshine was meant to be the nighttime (sun going down) to I'm In Great Shape's up-at-dawn daytime. Taken together they are the barnyard suite.  I imagine the suite is sung by the protagonist from Heroes & Villains. I use it to end the album as the Capitol tracklist indicates. I have it sequenced thusly:
Eggs & Grits
Barnyard
Do A Lot (H&V version)
Eggs & Grits (no vocal)
With Me Tonight
Eggs & Grits (no vocal)
H&V Fade (strings only)
The Old Master Painter/You Were My Sunshine
H&V Fade
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« Reply #55 on: November 16, 2011, 06:51:43 PM »

I really love the 'Great Shape' demo, one of my favorite moments in recorded history. The fly-ins don't really fit over the track, and I wonder if vocals were even meant to go on there originally.

Here's a version that combines the demo and the track, while keeping them separate: http://www.sendspace.com/file/i5o3sw

It's indicated in the sessionography vocals were documented as recorded but no tapes are found...similar notes are on "Look", "Surf's Up"....oh the humanity! Sad
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« Reply #56 on: November 16, 2011, 10:36:40 PM »

I just wonder if the vocals were meant to go on top of the sax line or somewhere else. It's a damn shame we don't have any official vocals for IIGS, Look, etc.

Either way, the demo fits perfectly with the old-timey piano/western/americana feel of SMiLE


I really love the 'Great Shape' demo, one of my favorite moments in recorded history. The fly-ins don't really fit over the track, and I wonder if vocals were even meant to go on there originally.

Here's a version that combines the demo and the track, while keeping them separate: http://www.sendspace.com/file/i5o3sw


I like that idea, but I would probably loop the two last chords on the piano and fade it out.

the problem with looping the piano chords is all the *coughing* that was going on   Smokin
but i kind of like the coughing to be honest. it fits with all the other sound effects on SMiLE and it's pretty funny in the context of a song about being fit and breathing fresh air. or perhaps a reference to L.A. smog?

if you loop the piano more than once you get Brian repeating the word "country" which likely bothers some, but i happen to dig.

here it is with one loop: http://www.sendspace.com/file/6h068n

here's a continuous loop over one of the celeste takes: http://www.sendspace.com/file/tuy6cz
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« Reply #57 on: November 16, 2011, 10:57:58 PM »

I just wonder if the vocals were meant to go on top of the sax line or somewhere else. It's a damn shame we don't have any official vocals for IIGS, Look, etc.

Either way, the demo fits perfectly with the old-timey piano/western/americana feel of SMiLE


I really love the 'Great Shape' demo, one of my favorite moments in recorded history. The fly-ins don't really fit over the track, and I wonder if vocals were even meant to go on there originally.

Here's a version that combines the demo and the track, while keeping them separate: http://www.sendspace.com/file/i5o3sw


I like that idea, but I would probably loop the two last chords on the piano and fade it out.

the problem with looping the piano chords is all the *coughing* that was going on   Smokin
but i kind of like the coughing to be honest. it fits with all the other sound effects on SMiLE and it's pretty funny in the context of a song about being fit and breathing fresh air. or perhaps a reference to L.A. smog?

if you loop the piano more than once you get Brian repeating the word "country" which likely bothers some, but i happen to dig.

here it is with one loop: http://www.sendspace.com/file/6h068n

here's a continuous loop over one of the celeste takes: http://www.sendspace.com/file/tuy6cz

Works best with the piano looped once - if you wanna be fancy about it you could automate some EQ that filters out some of the high frequencies when the cough comes, and/or even automate another EQ that gradually removes the frequencies down to say a hundred hertz - so essentially a glorified volume control. This of course in time with a fade-out.
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« Reply #58 on: November 17, 2011, 03:51:53 AM »

I just wonder if the vocals were meant to go on top of the sax line or somewhere else. It's a damn shame we don't have any official vocals for IIGS, Look, etc.

FWIW the lost I'm In Great Shape vocal session was recorded 10 days *before* the short 'eggs & grits' backing track takes. Whatever was recorded at that vocal session most likely wasn't intended to go on top of the 'eggs & grits' instrumental.
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« Reply #59 on: November 17, 2011, 01:26:13 PM »

I always wondered whether it was supposed to be acapella in the first place - block chords in harmonies....
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« Reply #60 on: November 17, 2011, 10:37:18 PM »

I wonder if the "I'm In Great Shape" on the Dec. tracklist really is the same composition as the one from the H&V demo.

Did Brian keep that title because he thought if "Fire" could cause fires then a track called "I'm In Great Shape" would cause him getting in great shape? Roll Eyes
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« Reply #61 on: November 18, 2011, 05:48:30 AM »

I always wondered whether it was supposed to be acapella in the first place - block chords in harmonies....

Just going by the lyric, I had thought the whole "Sleep a lot, eat a lot..." bit was "I'm In Great Shape" before I knew better. I now wonder if Brian ever considered using the "sleep a lot" bit to flesh out a complete "I'm In Great Shape" track.
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« Reply #62 on: November 18, 2011, 02:52:08 PM »

After hearing this, I'm really starting to think that "barnshine" is really one of my favorite sections on SMiLE. Love the "you are my sunshine" lyrics being sung underneath it.
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« Reply #63 on: November 18, 2011, 09:17:00 PM »

I love these three songs, period. Great Shape is just such a f*ckin ridiculous melody.
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« Reply #64 on: November 20, 2011, 02:45:30 PM »

Can anyone tell me where in the Pet Sounds sessions (the bootleged Sea of Tunes version) that the "The Old Master Painter" is heard being sung ??

I know it exists, but I have never actually heard this myself.

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« Reply #65 on: November 20, 2011, 03:33:37 PM »

Can anyone tell me where in the Pet Sounds sessions (the bootleged Sea of Tunes version) that the "The Old Master Painter" is heard being sung ??

I know it exists, but I have never actually heard this myself.



No longer have this but I remember it being during the IKTAA backing sessions, right at the start. Try SOT Vol. 13, disc 4, track 9, right at the start?
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« Reply #66 on: November 20, 2011, 09:31:05 PM »

Despite the questionable use of the fly-ins, I love that we now have a "Barnyard Suite" that runs just over three minutes. "I'm In Great Shape" worked fine on BWPS, but placed in front of "Barnyard" feels right. The first movement now has a nice little "day at the farm" section before the sun sets and "Cabin Essence" takes over.

I agree.  The only thing I would like even more is if "Barnyard Suite" followed "Heroes and Villains" and preceded "Do You Like Worms" (thus matching Brian's first thoughts when he was demoing "Heroes and Villains" with Van Dyke early on).  And of course, on my latest fan-mix, that's precisely what happens.
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« Reply #67 on: November 22, 2011, 02:53:15 AM »


No longer have this but I remember it being during the IKTAA backing sessions, right at the start. Try SOT Vol. 13, disc 4, track 9, right at the start?

Good memory !
Thanks, you are correct.
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« Reply #68 on: November 22, 2011, 08:54:50 AM »


I agree.  The only thing I would like even more is if "Barnyard Suite" followed "Heroes and Villains" and preceded "Do You Like Worms" (thus matching Brian's first thoughts when he was demoing "Heroes and Villains" with Van Dyke early on).  And of course, on my latest fan-mix, that's precisely what happens.

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« Reply #69 on: November 23, 2011, 07:30:51 PM »


I agree.  The only thing I would like even more is if "Barnyard Suite" followed "Heroes and Villains" and preceded "Do You Like Worms" (thus matching Brian's first thoughts when he was demoing "Heroes and Villains" with Van Dyke early on).  And of course, on my latest fan-mix, that's precisely what happens.

What?

Oh, I shouldn't have worded it like that.  But the piano demo of "Heroes and Villains/I'm In Great Shape/Barnyard" seems to indicate that at one point, Brian considered them pieces of the same song.  And I like to hear them that way.
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« Reply #70 on: November 25, 2011, 02:09:56 AM »

Am I the only one who really dislikes the edits at the end of You Are My Sunshine where the sax part is?
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« Reply #71 on: November 25, 2011, 08:35:55 AM »

Am I the only one who really dislikes the edits at the end of You Are My Sunshine where the sax part is?

Hi Camus, I don't think there were any additional edits around the sax solo, that sounds exactly like the bootleg mono mix. The only edit is that a different take was used for The Old Master Painter, before the vocal starts. (Probably because the vocal mix was cleaned up from an acetate and that they wanted to use the best sound quality availble for each part.)
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« Reply #72 on: November 25, 2011, 08:49:21 AM »


No longer have this but I remember it being during the IKTAA backing sessions, right at the start. Try SOT Vol. 13, disc 4, track 9, right at the start?

Good memory !
Thanks, you are correct.

lol, good memory, yeah right. :D
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« Reply #73 on: November 26, 2011, 01:44:57 PM »

Ok, so I am trying to get the session just right for "YAMS/OMP/Barnshine"

11/14/66 - My Only Sunshine: Part 1 (take 11) [found on Disc 3 Track 6, 0:46]
11/14/66 - My Only Sunshine: Part 2 (take 16) [found on Disc 3 Track 6, 5:58]

11/30/66 - My Only Sunshine: Part 1 (Dennis vocals "You Were My Sunshine")

Late 66/Early 67 - My Only Sunshine: Part 2 (Brian, Marylin, & Diane vocals "Dum-bedoo-bedoo")

2/10/67 - My Only Sunshine: Part 2 (Brian vocals "When The Skies Are Blue")

And then I guess the 2/10 vocals were wiped when the section was added to the H&V mix made that day??

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« Reply #74 on: November 27, 2011, 10:09:03 AM »


2/10/67 - My Only Sunshine: Part 2 (Brian vocals "When The Skies Are Blue")


This is the buried vocal now on the fade correct? It's not Mike? I thought for sure it is.
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