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« on: October 28, 2011, 08:10:43 AM »

Thoughts on IIGS, BY, OMP and YAMS please
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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2011, 08:15:40 AM »

I don't really think IIGS / Barnyard fly-ins work that well, would do either or; either the instrumental versions or Brian's demo. Also the fly-ins are very buried in the mix, which is probably for a reason.
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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2011, 10:10:58 AM »

I already made two new mixes for IIGS and Barnyard. I'm planning to do some more 'basic' new mixes, which can only use small edits and a simple fade out. My IIGS mix is the last take on the sessions disc, faded out where the disc 1 mix ends. Barnyard is the disc 1 version, but with the first 'vocal' bars replaced by the piano from the instrumental (the backing vocals have not started at that point) and with the other vocal bars just cut out. I figured I could just cut them out without replacing it with the accurate animal sound parts or something, since track has a few edits already (the animal sounds are in a different order than the complete version from the bootlegs). At the end a simple fade out. I think I'll be listening to these basic mixes more than the official mixes for these tracks. The offical mixes are very well done, but I prefer a bit more historical accurate mixes, so without the vocal fly-ins.
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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2011, 10:21:43 AM »

I think the fly-ins are fine! I was expecting a disaster, but give or take a bit of clunky piano in Barnyard, it's cool.
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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2011, 10:24:55 AM »

I think the fly-ins are fine! I was expecting a disaster, but give or take a bit of clunky piano in Barnyard, it's cool.

I think they're fine as well, but I just thought it was nice to have some mixes next to the official ones. (Roll your own!...)

Do you think they might release a Barnyard mix including the vocals but without the fly ins? I find it strange that it is missing from theis set. Maybe they can include it with a digital download?
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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2011, 10:51:51 AM »

I think the fly-ins are fine! I was expecting a disaster, but give or take a bit of clunky piano in Barnyard, it's cool.

You don't find they are well buried in the mix even? I mean even if you look away from the pitching/time-stretching artifacts, I think they are quite back in the mix.
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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2011, 04:15:08 AM »

Well, yes. But if you ramped them up in the mix, it would probably expose more artifacts..... It's a tough call.
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2011, 07:07:42 AM »

Well, yes. But if you ramped them up in the mix, it would probably expose more artifacts..... It's a tough call.

Yuo. Which is why I think I would prefer just the instrumental track, or the demo instead.
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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2011, 07:36:33 AM »

I think they only found something like an acetate source for the OMP vocal. They use an alternate take as the first part, and then the vocal starts. It starts a bit later than in the bootleg mix, I think because the alternate take they used had more space between the drums and 'You were my sunshine'.

The alternate take they used on disc 1 is take 4 I believe. The book says the master take was take 11, but that one's missing (also from UM 17, probably because they used it for the vocal overdub).

Just for fun, I wanted to make a mono mix with a clean start and with the vocal starting at the 'right' point. I used the instrumental take 9 from UM 16 (the take most similar to the vocal take (11), with the 'You were my sunshine' line starting in the same tempo and at the same point) and used it as the first part of my mix, before the vocal from TSS. I sounds not bad, but  I think I will listen to the TSS disc 1 mix most of the time, or the complete vocal mix or the instrumental take 9.

BTW - I really like that they used Barnshine as a fade to this track, it really works.
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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2011, 07:10:30 PM »

Quick question about what's been booted for False Barnyard. On Project Smile, there's a FB session where Brian is directing Carl with some bg vocals, but I haven't heard a version with those vocals properly included. The TSS version doesn't include these vocals either. Is a there a version out there that does?
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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2011, 07:17:14 PM »

I'm not crazy about the fly-in's.

I know this may be blasphemous, but wouldn't it be less jarring for the listener to just have Al or Mike discretely cut new leads for those two bits and maybe push them deep into the mix so they don't stick out so much? Even just as an alternative?
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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2011, 08:34:01 PM »

I'm not crazy about the fly-in's.

I know this may be blasphemous, but wouldn't it be less jarring for the listener to just have Al or Mike discretely cut new leads for those two bits and maybe push them deep into the mix so they don't stick out so much? Even just as an alternative?

I really, really wouldn't have minded some bonus tracks that did this. Totally blasphemous, but it would've been cool.
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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2011, 02:41:24 AM »

I discovered something I hadn't heard before in the My Only Sunshine sessions. I often get stuck on little subtle details like this  Grin
Listen to Parts 1 & 2 at 3:56-4:00 something is playing in the background, some wonderful melody/chord change. I don't know if I recognize it really. Is this something Smile that wasn't recorded, or is it something completely else that someone's playing? Sounds like a piece from a Disney film or something.
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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2011, 03:12:15 AM »

Sounds like an edit artefact to me...
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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2011, 03:21:36 AM »

But I sort of recognize it. It's two chords and some notes.. A guitar strumming two chords and another instrument playing the notes.
Haha. I guess I'll let it go, but it's really beautiful.
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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2011, 09:33:55 PM »

I'm kind of confused on why they did IIGS the way that they did. Why would they play the melody once through, before you hear Brian's voice and piano come in? It just sounds odd to me. Also, I kind of wish they had used the Purple Chick backing track of IIGS, with the saxophone(?) playing the verse melody.
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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2011, 05:31:29 AM »

Whats that vocal buried at the fade of My Only Sunshine? I flippin love it.
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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2011, 07:18:17 AM »

I'm kind of confused on why they did IIGS the way that they did. Why would they play the melody once through, before you hear Brian's voice and piano come in? It just sounds odd to me. Also, I kind of wish they had used the Purple Chick backing track of IIGS, with the saxophone(?) playing the verse melody.

Maybe because that's what Brian intended and I think you'll find the sax does play the melody right from bar one
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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2011, 03:00:51 PM »

I'm not crazy about the fly-in's.

I know this may be blasphemous, but wouldn't it be less jarring for the listener to just have Al or Mike discretely cut new leads for those two bits and maybe push them deep into the mix so they don't stick out so much? Even just as an alternative?

I really, really wouldn't have minded some bonus tracks that did this. Totally blasphemous, but it would've been cool.

Yep.  I agree, that would be awesome.  Paul Macca of course resang John's lead on "Real Love" to 'strengthen it'... so they could have Al or somebody sing along with Brian, and push it back into the bed but it would fill in all the rough spots.  Somebody ought to try it out with just their own voice.  Quick, who here sounds like Al Jardine?Huh??
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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2011, 03:09:26 PM »

well it's official...according to the lyrics in the booklet it's "of the agriculture"...
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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2011, 03:34:36 PM »

Other then "Great Shape" which I thought was kind off in it's construction, I really dug this. The end of "My Only Sunshine" is my favorite part.
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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2011, 07:51:15 PM »

well it's official...according to the lyrics in the booklet it's "of the agriculture"...

Of course the booklet is going to say that, in keeping with the proper lyrics from BWPS.  Those are definitely the official lyrics, but that ain't what Brian is singing on the demo.
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« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2011, 11:45:14 AM »

The only bit that feels odd to me is Great Shape...Barnyard sounds fantastic, I think, and YAMS is good as always. There's something about Great Shape that just feels weird, maybe it's how it's structured, because to be honest I've never had a problem with the demo vocals. I'll have to give it a few more tries, but this might be one bit I redo for my next mix.
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« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2011, 11:46:35 AM »

Yes, it is. Listen closer.
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« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2011, 12:10:25 PM »

The only bit that feels odd to me is Great Shape...Barnyard sounds fantastic, I think, and YAMS is good as always. There's something about Great Shape that just feels weird, maybe it's how it's structured, because to be honest I've never had a problem with the demo vocals. I'll have to give it a few more tries, but this might be one bit I redo for my next mix.
I've had the same feeling. It's the time-stretching they've done to make the flyins fit to the backing track.
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