Love/Wilson still existing is like Lennon/Mccartney still existing

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

To answer OSD's question: I happen to love (Love) everything the Beach Boys have ever done. I can 't claim to LOVE Summer In Paradise, of course, but I certainly do like it!

I love MIU! I love LA album, I LOVE Love You. I love Keeping The Summer Alive. I love 15 Big Ones! So, for me, the Beach Boys never did anything bad (other than Problem Child). So, from my point of view, I have nothing but artistic admiration and respect for Dr. Love.... I'm not saying my opinion is right or to be defended, I'm just pointing out that such creatures as myself truly do exist, therefore the Dominic Priore version of The Beach Boys story does not ring true for everyone.

OSD, let me ask you: your hatred for Michale E. Love being what it is: what goes through your mind when you listen to something like All I Wanna Do or Meant For You?

[hypehat]

KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL ?

[MBE]

Well I always wished they packed it in after Murry died.

[cutterschoice]

OSD, let me ask you: your hatred for Michale E. Love being what it is: what goes through your mind when you listen to something like All I Wanna Do or Meant For You?

You can like someone's work, or their guided contribution to it, no matter how minor, without actually liking (or loving!) the person.

[oldsurferdude]

To answer OSD's question: I happen to love (Love) everything the Beach Boys have ever done. I can 't claim to LOVE Summer In Paradise, of course, but I certainly do like it!

I love MIU! I love LA album, I LOVE Love You. I love Keeping The Summer Alive. I love 15 Big Ones! So, for me, the Beach Boys never did anything bad (other than Problem Child). So, from my point of view, I have nothing but artistic admiration and respect for Dr. Love.... I'm not saying my opinion is right or to be defended, I'm just pointing out that such creatures as myself truly do exist, therefore the Dominic Priore version of The Beach Boys story does not ring true for everyone.

OSD, let me ask you: your hatred for Michale E. Love being what it is: what goes through your mind when you listen to something like All I Wanna Do or Meant For You?

Its never been nor have I ever said hate when referring to the mykeluhv machine. It is better categorized as a complete disdain for what he stands for in the band and his general slant toward Brian and his music. I wouldn't have minded if he had just gone away in let's say 1965 or so. AIWD is a great BW song mostly because of his production talents. Frankly, MFY , is very short-any one of them could have sung it.

[ghost]

Ten seconds of music is like an hour man. MykLuhv sings for Eternity. Whennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

[Rocker]

never had a chance to make crappy albums

They had and did.

[ghost]

seriously- some beatles albums are unlistenably boring. even the earliest beach boys stuff seems to have something that is worth absorbing your attention in even if it's not "child is father of the man" greatness yet. but the beatles... even pepper is a boring old album to hear now. it sounds like a novelty toy manufactured by george martin - the beatles as dolls for children- press the button and john plays Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. it's all the rage for the hip hipiies .

for example there is some similarity in the feel of "when i'm 64" and some smile music - but the beatles got a corny english thing going and the boys and wrecking crew got a postmodern sort of jacques tati sound.

[pixletwin]

This made me LOL. True story.

Ten seconds of music is like an hour man. MykLuhv sings for Eternity. Whennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

never had a chance to make crappy albums

They had and did.

I don't think they released anything that is just out and out crappy without any chance of any virtue being argued.

And thanks, OSD, that was a very well put/well reasoned response to the Lovemachine dilemma

[ghost]

never had a chance to make crappy albums

They had and did.

I don't think they released anything that is just out and out crappy without any chance of any virtue being argued.

And thanks, OSD, that was a very well put/well reasoned response to the Lovemachine dilemma

Clever marketing. Abbey Road's no better than Surf's Up yet the first is well known to millions and the second just to thousands. We all know where it's at though - Brian's death/rebirth trilogy on Surf's Up is worth the Beatles entire career.

[ghost]

[ghost]

Mike Love loves India so much he wears pita bread on his head as a hat.

[HighOnLife]

The Beatles were consistent. They have basically the best good-to-sh*t ratio in pop music history.

Everybody here loves the Beach Boys, but if we were being rational, we could pick apart every album, including Surf's Up.

Personally, I love side two of Abbey Road, even if it is just a bunch of 1:30 snippets stitched together. They (The Beatles & George) made it work.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

I think he wears pita bread in other places as well

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Beatles albums can be picked apart as well...... easily.

No one has the balls!

[HighOnLife]

Beatles albums can be picked apart as well...... easily.

No one has the balls!

I can pick them apart.

The Beatles are overrated by many.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Maybe we should do it!

Let's put some balance back into the universe and quit picking apart/reassembling our own versions of Sunflower!!!!

[ghost]

I'm just trying to put out The Beatles fire that's been burning forever. Brian Wilson has said far more intelligent, insightful things than John Lennon ever did - he's far more iconic as a personality and existence to me.

[HighOnLife]

I'm just trying to put out The Beatles fire that's been burning forever. Brian Wilson has said far more intelligent, insightful things than John Lennon ever did - he's far more iconic as a personality and existence to me.

Hey, I've even said that I think Brian's the most talented guy in pop music history. Paul McCartney is up there too, but I give Brian the edge because of his ear. Brian and Paul are so alike in many ways it's pretty wild.

The problem with the Beach Boys is that Brian had no John Lennon to pick up the slack. As prolific as Brian was at creating great material, he couldn't satiate Capitol's appetite when it came to releasing albums. If the Beach Boys had been able to release one album every two or three years, they would have had nothing but five star records through the late 60s based on Brian's writing alone. But Pet Sounds was their tenth in five years. That's a lot of work for anybody, even someone like Brian.

[ghost]

I'm just trying to put out The Beatles fire that's been burning forever. Brian Wilson has said far more intelligent, insightful things than John Lennon ever did - he's far more iconic as a personality and existence to me.

Hey, I've even said that I think Brian's the most talented guy in pop music history. Paul McCartney is up there too, but I give Brian the edge because of his ear. Brian and Paul are so alike in many ways it's pretty wild.

The problem with the Beach Boys is that Brian had no John Lennon to pick up the slack. As prolific as Brian was at creating great material, he couldn't satiate Capitol's appetite when it came to releasing albums. If the Beach Boys had been able to release one album every two or three years, they would have had nothing but five star records through the late 60s based on Brian's writing alone. But Pet Sounds was their tenth in five years. That's a lot of work for anybody, even someone like Brian.

That's true. I try not to think "what if" though and just appreciate "what was". Otherwise I'm left imagining those damn Wilson Brothers records again with guest vocalists Charles Manson & Family.

[HighOnLife]

What we got was enough. 

I was coming at it from a critical angle in my last post.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

they're one of the coolest songwriting partnerships in rock & roll and write some more classics like Here Comes The Night.

Hm.... http://www.billboard.com/news/it-takes-two-10-songwriting-duos-that-rocked-1005325662.story#/features/it-takes-two-10-songwriting-duos-that-rocked-1005325662.story?page=1

I'm assuming Ghost is just joking around here, but it really doesn't surprise me that Brian Wilson and Mike Love aren't considered a significant songwriting duo.  They were decent, but the problem is BW had a number of collaborators he worked with back in the day (Roger Christian, Tony Asher, Van Dyke Parks, etc.).  Had he written *all* the hits only with Mike Love, maybe Billboard might have included them on the list.

This is absolutely true, but Mike is THE guy (when it comes to Brian's collaborators) by virtue of not only co-writing the most stuff with Brian but of also ...... being in the band..... and going out and singing so many of these great songs. Do the math and Brian/Mike really were THE team but there was a scattering of other collaborators (some of them co-writing amazing stuff, of course

[Rocker]

Beatles albums can be picked apart as well...... easily.

No one has the balls!

I can pick them apart.

The Beatles are overrated by many.

They are. That is not to say they weren't great. As songwriters they were really fantastic. But in many cases they couldn't do their own songs justice as good as other performaers.
And their terrible musicianship on their instruments made some of the early stuff unlistenable (their version of Roll Over Beethoven for example). The early albums have many nice songs but not the timelessnes and sophistication that can be found in the early Beach Boys albums (starting with Surfer Girl)

[oldsurferdude]

seriously- some beatles albums are unlistenably boring. even the earliest beach boys stuff seems to have something that is worth absorbing your attention in even if it's not "child is father of the man" greatness yet. but the beatles... even pepper is a boring old album to hear now. it sounds like a novelty toy manufactured by george martin - the beatles as dolls for children- press the button and john plays Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. it's all the rage for the hip hipiies .

for example there is some similarity in the feel of "when i'm 64" and some smile music - but the beatles got a corny english thing going and the boys and wrecking crew got a postmodern sort of jacques tati sound.

I think you're on to something here.