Love/Wilson still existing is like Lennon/Mccartney still existing

[monicker]

adds to the youthful blend like the primordial vibration of slowly shifting tectonic plates. Usually a description applied to Sunn O))) but it works for Murry too.

Haaaa. Drawing a comparison between Sun O))) and Murry. You are a good ghost.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

I don't think it's really all that arguable against Mike being 50%/Mccartney to Lennon in regards to The Beach Boys!

(OK, maybe more like 40%)

Sure, people will deny it till the end of time. Lots of people just don't like Myke, and that's their right, but when you stand back and take a look at just WHAT exactly the Beach Boys are: you gotta drop your trousers for the guy (metaphorically, oldsurferdude! Don't get overheated)

It's simple.

The Beach Boys template from day one was Mike's nasal punk-ass leads alternating with Brian's more emotive vocals: the other guys filling out the middle: some Chuck Berry/surf guitar and a rockin beat with a whole lot of Mike lyrics.

THAT IS THE BEACH BOYS.

Carl/Al/Dennis stepped up to more or less fill in for Brian in alternating degrees, but that initial template never really changed.

[ghost]

Mike also had very sweet emotive vocals like the bridge on Wouldn't It Be Nice. Perhaps sweeter than Brian's at times. Mike could reach appropriate emotional depths in his singing at times that are endlessly satisfying to hear.

[monicker]

It's simple.

The Beach Boys template from day one was Mike's nasal punk-ass leads alternating with Brian's more emotive vocals: the other guys filling out the middle: some Chuck Berry/surf guitar and a rockin beat with a whole lot of Mike lyrics.

THAT IS THE BEACH BOYS.

Ungh, no it's not. They were obviously so much more than that. That is one tiny fraction of who they were. That is how they started when they were kids. And it's that reduction of them that continues to be propagated by the media and the clueless masses, thus, embedding that bogus image of them in the pop culture consciousness, which completely contributes to the majority of people not taking them seriously, treating them as lightweight, being confused by one's obsession with them, and ultimately disregarding them (except for Pet Sounds! Pet Sounds, Pet Sounds, Pet Sounds! Pet Sounds is COOL! Because cool people have validated it. Yeah!) 

[Myk Luhv]

Yeah, I would have loved if he sang more songs in that voice -- "All I Wanna Do", "Big Sur" (either version but particularly the 4/4 one), "Airplane", and "All This Is That" are all that come to mind immediately -- since it was really very good. Alas.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

I'm talking about the BASIC template or DNA of what they are! The basic mechanics!

Of course I know they were so much more than their basic building blocks. My favorite album is Holland, so c'mon!

If anyone chooses to dismiss them because they can't take a deeper look into their "fun in the sun" hits than what's on the surface (which is still pretty awesome)  then they are idiots.

Bringing attention to the basic framework of a building is not an instant insult to it's interior decoration!

It's as much a reduction of these basic building blocks to dismiss my opinion offhand as a reduction.

[Autotune]

...not to mention Meant for you. He still has that quality in some of his new solo songs that have unearthed

[monicker]

I know you know! Which is why i thought it was weird you'd say THAT IS THE BEACH BOYS. As much as it may have seemed so, i wasn't telling YOU all that, i was just saying .... i don't know what i was saying. I was just stating the obvious. Are we in a parallel universe right now? What if aliens invade earth on November 1st in gigantic spacecrafts and the planet splits in two?

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

when that happens, Mike Love will rise to the heavens with a giant jug of apple juice and oldsurferdude will be the first to be swept up into his arms for the Love rapture!

[ghost]

when that happens, Mike Love will rise to the heavens with a giant jug of apple juice and oldsurferdude will be the first to be swept up into his arms for the Love rapture!

apple juice was the cover story man. it was urine. it's always been urine.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

but who's urine???

[Myk Luhv]

Denny sneaked his urine into the jug which previously contained apple juice, obviously!

[Awesoman]

they're one of the coolest songwriting partnerships in rock & roll and write some more classics like Here Comes The Night.

Hm.... http://www.billboard.com/news/it-takes-two-10-songwriting-duos-that-rocked-1005325662.story#/features/it-takes-two-10-songwriting-duos-that-rocked-1005325662.story?page=1

I'm assuming Ghost is just joking around here, but it really doesn't surprise me that Brian Wilson and Mike Love aren't considered a significant songwriting duo.  They were decent, but the problem is BW had a number of collaborators he worked with back in the day (Roger Christian, Tony Asher, Van Dyke Parks, etc.).  Had he written *all* the hits only with Mike Love, maybe Billboard might have included them on the list.

[ghost]

I'm not joking around at all - Here Comes The Night is a great song. Best track on Wild Honey for me.

[cutterschoice]

Love/Wilson is nothing like Lennon/McCartney.

Lennon and McCartney were excellent singers, songwriters, lyricists and musicians in their own right.

Wilson, an excellent singer, songwriter, musician and producer.

Love, a good eye for all things commercial, a mediocre lyricist, good singer, no creative vision and damn lucky he's related to Brian.

[ghost]

Love/Wilson is nothing like Lennon/McCartney.

Lennon and McCartney were excellent singers, songwriters, lyricists and musicians in their own right.

Wilson, an excellent singer, songwriter, musician and producer.

Love, a good eye for all things commercial, a mediocre lyricist, good singer, no creative vision and damn lucky he's related to Brian.

Brian is lucky he's related to Mike. If it were up to Brian the Beach Boys would've expired before 1970 most likely. Without Mike it's doubtful Brian would be a wealthy man still.

[oldsurferdude]

Love/Wilson is nothing like Lennon/McCartney.

Lennon and McCartney were excellent singers, songwriters, lyricists and musicians in their own right.

Wilson, an excellent singer, songwriter, musician and producer.

Love, a good eye for all things commercial, a mediocre lyricist, good singer, no creative vision and damn lucky he's related to Brian.

Thank you for telling the truth. You will be unanimously and instantly hated from this point on, but forge on, sir!

[oldsurferdude]

Love/Wilson is nothing like Lennon/McCartney.

Lennon and McCartney were excellent singers, songwriters, lyricists and musicians in their own right.

Wilson, an excellent singer, songwriter, musician and producer.

Love, a good eye for all things commercial, a mediocre lyricist, good singer, no creative vision and damn lucky he's related to Brian.

Brian is lucky he's related to Mike. If it were up to Brian the Beach Boys would've expired before 1970 most likely. Without Mike it's doubtful Brian would be a wealthy man still.

Wanna expand on that bit of absurd logic?

[HighOnLife]

If it were up to Brian the Beach Boys would've expired before 1970 most likely.

That's not necessarily a bad thing. The Beach Boys would be hailed far better by critics had they shut off the valve after Sunflower. Sure they wouldn't have had the popular revival of the early to mid 70s, but they also wouldn't be regarded as an oldies band either.

[ghost]

Love/Wilson is nothing like Lennon/McCartney.

Lennon and McCartney were excellent singers, songwriters, lyricists and musicians in their own right.

Wilson, an excellent singer, songwriter, musician and producer.

Love, a good eye for all things commercial, a mediocre lyricist, good singer, no creative vision and damn lucky he's related to Brian.

Brian is lucky he's related to Mike. If it were up to Brian the Beach Boys would've expired before 1970 most likely. Without Mike it's doubtful Brian would be a wealthy man still.

Wanna expand on that bit of absurd logic?

in 1979 there was an eclipse of the sun. my brain was flooded with melatonin, and i said i. want to know where the forest forms faunas fawn fumbling from forever .

[Chris Brown]

If it were up to Brian the Beach Boys would've expired before 1970 most likely.

That's not necessarily a bad thing. The Beach Boys would be hailed far better by critics had they shut off the valve after Sunflower. Sure they wouldn't have had the popular revival of the early to mid 70s, but they also wouldn't be regarded as an oldies band either.

True, that's one of the (many) reasons why The Beatles are so much more revered as a group relative to The Beach Boys - they knew when to stop!  They never had a chance to make crappy albums and become a lame nostalgia act.

[Alex]

They still made crappy albums, just not together.

[Chris Brown]

They still made crappy albums, just not together.

Perhaps, but once they closed the book on The Beatles, that body of work could never be tarnished, no matter what they did on their own later.  Even their relatively weaker work was still pretty damn good by anyone's standards.  If The Beach Boys had stopped after Sunflower or Surf's Up, their overall body of work would be held in much higher regard.

[Myk Luhv]

I would have been wholly pleased if they had released nothing after Love You, even if it means they'd have had to have released 15 Big Ones already. Then again, I already do feel that way as I've still never listened to a full post-1977 album...

[ghost]

i get the beatles trust me in the teens i was rolling to that sound but around 17-18 got into the beach boys more prefered the real deal eccentricity not the public sh*t john & yoko do etc. brian huffing nitrous from reddi whip cans before recording the tag to wind chimes for smiley. just little things i imagine loosely based on reality. the beatles feel like a gimmick. the beach boys were a real set of people perhaps playingh a gimmick for a while but became a disencarnate free roaming abstract entity. in one sense you can hear Till I Die in Surfer Girl but from the day of Surfer Girl you would not anticipate something as shatteringly good as Till I Die in every aspect of existence even down to its story of origin. there's nothing comparable to that story for me in all music history. the thought of BRIAN WILSON suicidal - this man we now know as a gentle aging great, thinking of driving off cliffs, etc. how iconic that might have been - reclusive genius of the beach boys drives rolls off cliff in apparent suicide after releasing a song entitled "till i die". brian wilson was the first kurt cobain.