Opinons on what's false about what's written in WIBN: My Own Story

[cutterschoice]

So the stuff cobbled together form other sources proves the other sources were incorrect. Is that correct?

Is that a Koan? 

[Bill Tobelman]

That's just following through on a certain logic.

It's not a koan & I have to tell you that I know nothing about Zen so please don't bring the subject up again.

But the koan idea & the riddle or mystery idea is interesting in conjunction with the idea of prompting spiritual enlightenment and that's where they meet in SMiLE.

[cutterschoice]

That's just following through on a certain logic.

It's not a koan & I have to tell you that I know nothing about Zen so please don't bring the subject up again.

But the koan idea & the riddle or mystery idea is interesting in conjunction with the idea of prompting spiritual enlightenment and that's where they meet in SMiLE.

I know what you were saying. I was joking.

[Bill Tobelman]

I was lying.

[hypehat]

So was I. 


I think the rule of thumb with the book is 'if it's not from something else, it's the work of Gold or Landy.' Given Landy's methods, I don't think that's an unfair assesssment. The man was v controlling of Brian's life!

[cutterschoice]

I was lying.

Fresh Zen air around my head.... aaaaahh

[Jason]

This book should be filed in the 'fiction' section of libraries and bookstores. Or have a disclaimer sticker on the front warning that 95% of the material is lifted from other books or made up by a man with as much objectivity as Hitler did when he wrote "Mein Kampf".

Not to play devil's advocate but at least Hitler wrote Mein Kampf.

[Bill Tobelman]

Fresh Subud air around my head...

[MrRobinsonsFather]

It goes through how Brian turned onto the four freshmen, how the first ever song he heard of theirs was day by day while in their car and when his mother took him to by the record.
Anyone think this is actually true ?

[Jay]

What about the section detailing the therapy Brian went through when he got to Hawaii? It gives an almost day by day account of the various phobias and issues he had to overcome. Do you think any of that can be trusted? I know that Landy went way over the accepted Doctor and patient relationship, but do you think that of those chapters could be trusted as coming from Landy the "therapist", versus Landy the control freak psycho?

[MBE]

I don't trust a word unless I have heard it said elsewhere. Even then Gold manages to mess up some stright out facts.

[Jay]

I once came up with a great line to describe this book. You know how you can tell that this book wasn't written by Brian? Because a person with the personality and mentality of Brian Wilson is not capable of that much hate.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

You know how you can tell that this book wasn't written by Brian? Because a person with the personality and mentality of Brian Wilson is not capable of that much hate.

Word.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Andrew seems to think the LSD accounts in the bio are likely from the creative mind of Todd Gold.

There's a problem with this as I've found lots of the bio's LSD accounts relate-able to the SMiLE music in numerous ways to the point that Gold likely would have had to base his imaginary Brian trips on SMiLE material. But if his level of insight was this keen then why did Gold borrow (steal) everything for the SMiLE section of the book?

It's as if Gold must be totally SMiLE savy while inventing Brian's trips but totally SMiLE clueless when writing about SMiLE.

Sorry Andrew, I don't buy it.

Never said that (geez, I wish people would actually read what I say properly): I said that Gold invented the dialog. Brian's trips are well-documented.

As for this - "There's a problem with this as I've found lots of the bio's LSD accounts relate-able to the SMiLE music in numerous ways" - as I've stated before and you recently conceded, that's just your opinion. "I've found" - no, you haven't found, you've theorised. If you can directly relate Brian's trips to the Smile music other than your entirely aribtrary numbers method, please let us in on it. Of course the project was informed by Brian's drug use, just as it was by health foods, exercise and American history. Once again, you've constructed a theory and presented it to us as fact, and said theory is grounded on a book that everyone in the music biz, Brian Wilson included, is a deeply flawed piece of crap.

Oh, and you know why Gold stole text from other authors ? He was up against a deadline and wasn't aware just how monosyllabic Brian could be until the interviews.

[Andrew G. Doe]

I once came up with a great line to describe this book. You know how you can tell that this book wasn't written by Brian? Because a person with the personality and mentality of Brian Wilson is not capable of that much hate.

Genius.

[Andrew G. Doe]

What about the section detailing the therapy Brian went through when he got to Hawaii? It gives an almost day by day account of the various phobias and issues he had to overcome. Do you think any of that can be trusted? I know that Landy went way over the accepted Doctor and patient relationship, but do you think that of those chapters could be trusted as coming from Landy the "therapist", versus Landy the control freak psycho?

I'd say the parts Landy wanted you to believe were true. Note that nowhere in the second half is the drug regime that Landy used to keep Brian 'under control' even hinted at.

And I cannot believe anyone who claims to be a BB/BW fan is still being in any way defensive about that book, even to shore up their tottering theories.

[Jay]

I once came up with a great line to describe this book. You know how you can tell that this book wasn't written by Brian? Because a person with the personality and mentality of Brian Wilson is not capable of that much hate.

Genius.

Sometimes, I even surprise myself. 

[MBE]

Jay that's what I always thought. Brian for all his faults is basically not such a hatefull person. He's said a few cold things over the years but never have I heard him be so nasty.

[Jay]

Jay that's what I always thought. Brian for all his faults is basically not such a hatefull person. He's said a few cold things over the years but never have I heard him be so nasty.

The part where "Brian" starts to criticize the goup's remake of Surf's Up is a good example. If the real Brian didn't like it, he would probably say something like "They kind of missed the ball on that one. But They're great musicians and singers. They tried." If he had even said anything at all about it. Brian has this thing where even when he's negative about something, he still seems to make it sound positive.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

^ Just like on that DVD (I think it's the 2000 On Tour set, but could be wrong)where Ronnie Spector is sitting next to Brian and started singing "Don't Worry Baby". Brian initially laughed (like he was flattered), but when he got up in a hurry he looked like he was ashamed. Had this look on his face like "yikes...bitch done lost her voice"   Loved his comment "Her voice is...umm....special and unique". Notice the word "good" never came into it.

[The Heartical Don]

What about the section detailing the therapy Brian went through when he got to Hawaii? It gives an almost day by day account of the various phobias and issues he had to overcome. Do you think any of that can be trusted? I know that Landy went way over the accepted Doctor and patient relationship, but do you think that of those chapters could be trusted as coming from Landy the "therapist", versus Landy the control freak psycho?

I have my own doubts about Brian himself stating that he had OCD symptoms. Hypothetically that might be true, but the wording is certainly not Brian's. And I never thought that Brian was a total control person, nor a washer (God, he didn't wash or shave for weeks on end), nor a checker, or someone obsessed with symmetry. He is a superb talent, but even on Pet Sounds he let little faults and very small off-key things as they were. Which, I think, contribute to the charm of the album, and don't detract.

So: I don't trust the medical details in WIBN. Nor do I trust Brian's 'own' observation that by having to be in court so often, he himself had become a legal expert. With all of those Landy meds in his system, I tend to believe that he dozed his way all through the court sessions, and dreamt of nice big hamburgers.

And did Mike Love really say to Brian: 'those shoes are hideous? Nah.

PS: want to see people with OCD in full swing? Look no further than this very board, including yours truly.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

And did Mike Love really say to Brian: 'those shoes are hideous? Nah.

The BB were not exactly known for their fashion sense, esp. in the 70s, so that would be a pot/kettle/black type of situation.

[The Heartical Don]

And did Mike Love really say to Brian: 'those shoes are hideous? Nah.

The BB were not exactly known for their fashion sense, esp. in the 70s, so that would be a pot/kettle/black type of situation.

  perhaps Mike retaliated in the '80s for a Brian comment from the '60s about his bandanas?

[hypehat]

And did Mike Love really say to Brian: 'those shoes are hideous? Nah.

The BB were not exactly known for their fashion sense, esp. in the 70s, so that would be a pot/kettle/black type of situation.

You mean bathrobes and turbans aren't in fashion? Now you tell me...

[Steve Mayo]

zen??? .......  what zen......

from the man himself.....

 http://www.earcandymag.com/brianwilson-2004.htm