Opinons on what's false about what's written in WIBN: My Own Story

[MBE]

Well he does get into the shower with Brian in one chapter!

[18thofMay]

I aint to sure where your going with this Bill? The book is a steaming pile.. Move forward.. read on..

[cutterschoice]

I aint to sure where your going with this Bill? The book is a steaming pile.. Move forward.. read on..

My flippant posts are meant to show that not everything in the bio is incorrect.

[18thofMay]

I aint to sure where your going with this Bill? The book is a steaming pile.. Move forward.. read on..

My flippant posts are meant to show that not everything in the bio is incorrect.

And his flippant posts are once again pushing the same agenda!!

[cutterschoice]

Pushing the same agenda?

Read the thread title. "Opinions on what's false about what's written in WIBN: My Own Story".

The book isn't a steaming pile, but it is totally unreliable

[hypehat]

You could try posting something constructive yourself, instead of just attacking Bill & Fishmonk. I may not agree with their points of view, but they are well informed posters who contribute more than lazy one liners. God forbid someone be flippant on a messageboard...  

[18thofMay]

You could try posting something constructive yourself, instead of just attacking Bill & Fishmonk. I may not agree with their points of view, but they are well informed posters who contribute more than lazy one liners. God forbid someone be flippant on a messageboard...  

I have not said anything to the Monk in a month!!And have enjoyed his input lately!! And Bill was being slightly provocative to John Stebbins and others that have far more expertise in Beach Boys history. Bill has a theory. Bill believes in that theory 100% Bill tries at every opportunity to turn the majority of posts towards the Act of Creation, the pun, the zen riddle, the conspiracy, the Brian was smarter than you think he is, the "you don't understand because you have not read the communist least famous  book", the "you do not understand because you have not had a religious experience with LSD" line... Bill was asking John freaking Stebbins to consider columnated ruins domino was about the stripped shirts PLEASE!!

[Micha]

I read the German version of that book in about 1996, and it got me totally hooked onto Brian and the Beach Boys. It was one of the most fascinating reading experiences in my life. I bought all the LPs after that.

Later I got LLVS, and even though this was in English, I could easily see that there were passages ripped from magazine clippings in there. They were in fact stolen, but stolen well, and the book was really well... let's say compiled. 

This year, the German defense minister had to resign because some people found out he had written his dissertation in a similar way...

[cutterschoice]

You could try posting something constructive yourself, instead of just attacking Bill & Fishmonk. I may not agree with their points of view, but they are well informed posters who contribute more than lazy one liners. God forbid someone be flippant on a messageboard...  

I have not said anything to the Monk in a month!!And have enjoyed his input lately!! And Bill was being slightly provocative to John Stebbins and others that have far more expertise in Beach Boys history. Bill has a theory. Bill believes in that theory 100% Bill tries at every opportunity to turn the majority of posts towards the Act of Creation, the pun, the zen riddle, the conspiracy, the Brian was smarter than you think he is, the "you don't understand because you have not read the communist least famous  book", the "you do not understand because you have not had a religious experience with LSD" line... Bill was asking John freaking Stebbins to consider columnated ruins domino was about the stripped shirts PLEASE!!

That's odd how you read Bill asking for Stebbin's input as being provocative. Maybe I'm missing some vital history there, but it didn't seem like that to me at all.

You make it sound like you're happy for people to have interpretations of Van Dyke Park's lyrics, as long as they don't share them?

And it's not like the zen thing is pulled out of the air, either. There's audio of Brian talking about it, so it's a valid opinion. Doesn't make it true, but doesn't warrant a hostile response either.

[SMiLE Brian]

Well he does get into the shower with Brian in one chapter!

Landy was so creepy with him always in pictures with Brian and having his arm around Brian's shoulder during interviews like he just wanted to show the world, "i control Brian Wilson and theres nothing you can do about it."

[Andrew G. Doe]

Main problem I have with Bill's zen theory - if you ignore Brian's belief-du-jour at the time being Subud anyway - is that he uses evidence from Brian's pseudobiography to support his point, thus rendering it, if not instantly invalid, then at the very least seriously questionable. Brian's name may be on the front of that book, but it was written by Todd Gold and the guy looking over his shoulder as he did it had the initials EEL, not BDW.

[cutterschoice]

Main problem I have with Bill's zen theory - if you ignore Brian's belief-du-jour at the time being Subud anyway - is that he uses evidence from Brian's pseudobiography to support his point, thus rendering it, if not instantly invalid, then at the very least seriously questionable. Brian's name may be on the front of that book, but it was written by Todd Gold and the guy looking over his shoulder as he did it had the initials EEL, not BDW.

If there was a way of finding out if Brian's LSD trip descriptions were true it would be great, as the Zen theory adds a very interesting layer.

[The Heartical Don]

Well he does get into the shower with Brian in one chapter!

Landy was so creepy with him always in pictures with Brian and having his arm around Brian's shoulder during interviews like he just wanted to show the world, "i control Brian Wilson and theres nothing you can do about it."

Yeah. On the grounds of those piccies and videos alone, he should have been sued. He fed so many psychotropic drugs into his patient, that the evidence is right there: never spoke and moved Brian so difficultly as in the material from around 1990 or thereabouts. Brian seemed to have a mouth of rubber, which thankfully is not the case any more. When he's at ease, he's much more understandable.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Main problem I have with Bill's zen theory - if you ignore Brian's belief-du-jour at the time being Subud anyway - is that he uses evidence from Brian's pseudobiography to support his point, thus rendering it, if not instantly invalid, then at the very least seriously questionable. Brian's name may be on the front of that book, but it was written by Todd Gold and the guy looking over his shoulder as he did it had the initials EEL, not BDW.

If there was a way of finding out if Brian's LSD trip descriptions were true it would be great, as the Zen theory adds a very interesting layer.

They're almost certainly the work of Gold, as the words, grammar and phraseology used are nothing like Brian was in either 1965 or 1991... and it's not just the trips - the whole book is like that. If Brian was always this verbally adept, he'd have had no need for a lyricist. Ever.

[cutterschoice]

This seems a more realistic version.

Brian says:

"I went to the library and started feeling dizzy, you know? And the books looked like they were melting"

And it got turned into:

"The room began to spin. I was in the center of a giant spinning top. Turning, turning, turning. The moment was completely surreal. Then I saw the books melting down the shelves, dripping like wax down the side of a candle. I extended my arms, wanting to run my hands through the information, wanting to stain my skin with words written by mankind's greatest minds. But all I felt was air. The knowledge was eluding me."

[SMiLE Brian]

Well he does get into the shower with Brian in one chapter!

Landy was so creepy with him always in pictures with Brian and having his arm around Brian's shoulder during interviews like he just wanted to show the world, "i control Brian Wilson and theres nothing you can do about it."

Yeah. On the grounds of those piccies and videos alone, he should have been sued. He fed so many psychotropic drugs into his patient, that the evidence is right there: never spoke and moved Brian so difficultly as in the material from around 1990 or thereabouts. Brian seemed to have a mouth of rubber, which thankfully is not the case any more. When he's at ease, he's much more understandable.

Brian has come a long way compared the 1990s where he was trying to find his way after being freed from Landy, the sad thing about this whole mess is that Brian under Landy was looking good mentally and physically in 1984 and 1985, then Brian lost too much weight and the signs of psychotropic drug abuse from Landy became apparent as time went on.

[The Heartical Don]

This seems a more realistic version.

Brian says:

"I went to the library and started feeling dizzy, you know? And the books looked like they were melting"

And it got turned into:

"The room began to spin. I was in the center of a giant spinning top. Turning, turning, turning. The moment was completely surreal. Then I saw the books melting down the shelves, dripping like wax down the side of a candle. I extended my arms, wanting to run my hands through the information, wanting to stain my skin with words written by mankind's greatest minds. But all I felt was air. The knowledge was eluding me."

 

[The Heartical Don]

Well he does get into the shower with Brian in one chapter!

Landy was so creepy with him always in pictures with Brian and having his arm around Brian's shoulder during interviews like he just wanted to show the world, "i control Brian Wilson and theres nothing you can do about it."

Yeah. On the grounds of those piccies and videos alone, he should have been sued. He fed so many psychotropic drugs into his patient, that the evidence is right there: never spoke and moved Brian so difficultly as in the material from around 1990 or thereabouts. Brian seemed to have a mouth of rubber, which thankfully is not the case any more. When he's at ease, he's much more understandable.

Brian has come a long way compared the 1990s where he was trying to find his way after being freed from Landy, the sad thing about this whole mess is that Brian under Landy was looking good mentally and physically in 1984 and 1985, then Brian lost too much weight and the signs of psychotropic drug abuse from Landy became apparent as time went on.

Yep. I like how he looks on the back cover side of 'The Beach Boys'.

[Mike's Beard]

This book should be filed in the 'fiction' section of libraries and bookstores. Or have a disclaimer sticker on the front warning that 95% of the material is lifted from other books or made up by a man with as much objectivity as Hitler did when he wrote "Mein Kampf".

[FUN³]

Main problem I have with Bill's zen theory - if you ignore Brian's belief-du-jour at the time being Subud anyway - is that he uses evidence from Brian's pseudobiography to support his point, thus rendering it, if not instantly invalid, then at the very least seriously questionable. Brian's name may be on the front of that book, but it was written by Todd Gold and the guy looking over his shoulder as he did it had the initials EEL, not BDW.

landy knew everything about brian. he's a better source than brian because he knew more about brian than brian does (consciously). he was his psychiatrist/psychologist/friend/handler for what 20 years? lets not forget he did save his life, right?

what todd didn't steal he gathered from interviews. all his sources were forthcoming and the data they provided has been mostly corroborated.

of course brian didn't write the book, his psyche did through copious sessions of therapy and direct interviewing.

[Andrew G. Doe]

what todd didn't steal he gathered from interviews. all his sources were forthcoming and the data they provided has been mostly corroborated.

True... but he then used those quotes out of context, and again, without once indicating that the source wasn't BDW in 1990, not to mention inventing entire pages of dialog.

landy knew everything about brian. he's a better source than brian because he knew more about brian than brian does (consciously). he was his psychiatrist/psychologist/friend/handler for what 20 years?

Not even close - from mid 1975 to mid 1977, and again from late 1982 to late 1991. Ten years, eleven tops.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

The annoying part is the CLICK CLICK parts.  The only info on Brian's "wilderness" era was stolen from other books, and IIRC the author went for the *ahem* "snapshot motif" in order to describe that period. It's been about a 13-14 years since I read it, but that still sticks out.

[Bill Tobelman]

Andrew seems to think the LSD accounts in the bio are likely from the creative mind of Todd Gold.

There's a problem with this as I've found lots of the bio's LSD accounts relate-able to the SMiLE music in numerous ways to the point that Gold likely would have had to base his imaginary Brian trips on SMiLE material. But if his level of insight was this keen then why did Gold borrow (steal) everything for the SMiLE section of the book?

It's as if Gold must be totally SMiLE savy while inventing Brian's trips but totally SMiLE clueless when writing about SMiLE.

Sorry Andrew, I don't buy it.

[MBE]

In court under oath Brian said it's Bullshit. Nuff said.

[Bill Tobelman]

So the stuff cobbled together form other sources proves the other sources were incorrect. Is that correct?