MOJO Special Spolier

[Andrew G. Doe]

Automatic Double Tracking.

Artificial Double Tracking, to be pedantic.  (That's what its inventor, Ken Townsend, called it, and who are we to move his goalposts?)  Delay, in short.

Pedantic, no. Accurate, yes. I have no idea why I wrote "Automatic".

[seltaeb1012002]

Re: Wonderful

Definitely a longer fade. The new background vocals sounded a little suspect at first. Thought maybe they used the boot version to fly those in. But after listening a bunch of times, I'm pretty sure the bg vox are from the masters.

Re: Cabinessence

This sounds freakin' awesome in a true mono mix. Single tracked lead > ADT lead. I'm hearing reverb on the vocals in spots that I don't believe were present in the original mix.

Overall, these new mixes are great. Can't wait to hear the rest of the "album".

[desmondo]

Some more on Cabin Essence

Well, I just synched the Mojo track and the '93 boxset track together on Cubase.

The first verse and chorus are completely in synch, not even the slightest hint of phase. The second verse and chorus go out of synch, but only because the edit has been adjusted.

The fact they are completely in synch would lead me to believe that AGD is right (again unfortunately). If they had gone back to the multitracks, you would expect there to be slight timing differences. Tapes stretch slightly every time they are played. This is almost certainly the version used on the 93 boxset, with a mix made from one side of the stereo pair.

If they had made a mix from the multitracks, you would have timing differences, however slight.

On the MOJO version - the is a longer gap before the verse come back in - hope I got that the right way round

[Andrew G. Doe]

Re: Cabinessence

This sounds freakin' awesome in a true mono mix. Single tracked lead > ADT lead. I'm hearing reverb on the vocals in spots that I don't believe were present in the original mix.

I have serious doubts it's a true mono mix, in the strictest sense: I'm sure it'll all come out given time. However, just had it confirmed to me that Carl's 1968 lead was indeed a single track processed with ADT.

[seanmurd]

Some more on Cabin Essence

Well, I just synched the Mojo track and the '93 boxset track together on Cubase.

The first verse and chorus are completely in synch, not even the slightest hint of phase. The second verse and chorus go out of synch, but only because the edit has been adjusted.

The fact they are completely in synch would lead me to believe that AGD is right (again unfortunately). If they had gone back to the multitracks, you would expect there to be slight timing differences. Tapes stretch slightly every time they are played. This is almost certainly the version used on the 93 boxset, with a mix made from one side of the stereo pair.

If they had made a mix from the multitracks, you would have timing differences, however slight.

Listen to Mike's "crow cries" vocals again and compare them to the 20/20 stereo version. I've listened to BOTH channels isolated (in mono), and neither of them match the MOJO version. Mike's vocal sounds different and louder on the MOJO mix -- it simply CAN'T be a single-channel fake-mono track. And besides, that is the lowest, hack-iest move an amateur bootlegger would pull -- do you really think Mark Linett would put his name on such a thing? Reminds me of my old vinyl Beatles bootleg days -- Oooh, look! A mono "rough mix" of "Yesterday" without the strings! Amazing!!" Only it was just a single-channel outfake. It's offensive to even consider, but thankfully those Mike vocals make it virtually impossible -- and if anyone can re-create the MOJO mix with a single channel re-EQ'd, I'd love to hear it.

[desmondo]

Re: Cabinessence

This sounds freakin' awesome in a true mono mix. Single tracked lead > ADT lead. I'm hearing reverb on the vocals in spots that I don't believe were present in the original mix.

I have serious doubts it's a true mono mix, in the strictest sense: I'm sure it'll all come out given time. However, just had it confirmed to me that Carl's 1968 lead was indeed a single track processed with ADT.

Thanks for getting that info - anything else we NEED to know

[Iron Horse-Apples]

Some more on Cabin Essence

Well, I just synched the Mojo track and the '93 boxset track together on Cubase.

The first verse and chorus are completely in synch, not even the slightest hint of phase. The second verse and chorus go out of synch, but only because the edit has been adjusted.

The fact they are completely in synch would lead me to believe that AGD is right (again unfortunately). If they had gone back to the multitracks, you would expect there to be slight timing differences. Tapes stretch slightly every time they are played. This is almost certainly the version used on the 93 boxset, with a mix made from one side of the stereo pair.

If they had made a mix from the multitracks, you would have timing differences, however slight.

Unless they were working from the same material in 66, 68, 83 and 2011

It would also have been put on Pro Tools (ML did it for DS) so they would have been able to do a comparison and correct any major differences

Do you mean PS? If so then I think all he did in terms of correcting differences was synching the vocals to the original instrumental multi tracks. This is exactly what I am talking about. When Brian dubbed the PS tracks down to mono onto an 8 track, and then rewound that tape 547 times whilst waiting for Al to sing the damn line correctly..... then the tape would be stretched, hence Mark had to make adjustemnts whilst synching it.

I don't know how the master for Cabinessence was made in '68, but I would suspect they mixed down what existed from '66 onto another tape, then added the leads and some sweetening. Carl was a great vocalist, but I'd be suprised it was done in two takes (one for each dub) More than likely there was constant stops and rewinds. Already you would have something that would not synch exactly with the '66 multi's

And I'm saying it synchs exactly - no phase at all.

This is one channel the 20/20 track, hence the single tracked vocal. There was probably good reason for doing this. Maybe they tried a fold down from both channels, and it didn't sound too great. Maybe they tried mixing it from one channel and found it sounded better, and they had more control over the sound. I don't think they were cutting corners, or being lazy, I think it would have been a creative decision.

And I think it sounds great, however they did it

[desmondo]

Some more on Cabin Essence

Well, I just synched the Mojo track and the '93 boxset track together on Cubase.

The first verse and chorus are completely in synch, not even the slightest hint of phase. The second verse and chorus go out of synch, but only because the edit has been adjusted.

The fact they are completely in synch would lead me to believe that AGD is right (again unfortunately). If they had gone back to the multitracks, you would expect there to be slight timing differences. Tapes stretch slightly every time they are played. This is almost certainly the version used on the 93 boxset, with a mix made from one side of the stereo pair.

If they had made a mix from the multitracks, you would have timing differences, however slight.

Unless they were working from the same material in 66, 68, 83 and 2011

It would also have been put on Pro Tools (ML did it for DS) so they would have been able to do a comparison and correct any major differences

Do you mean PS? If so then I think all he did in terms of correcting differences was synching the vocals to the original instrumental multi tracks. This is exactly what I am talking about. When Brian dubbed the PS tracks down to mono onto an 8 track, and then rewound that tape 547 times whilst waiting for Al to sing the damn line correctly..... then the tape would be stretched, hence Mark had to make adjustemnts whilst synching it.

I don't know how the master for Cabinessence was made in '68, but I would suspect they mixed down what existed from '66 onto another tape, then added the leads and some sweetening. Carl was a great vocalist, but I'd be suprised it was done in two takes (one for each dub) More than likely there was constant stops and rewinds. Already you would have something that would not synch exactly with the '66 multi's

And I'm saying it synchs exactly - no phase at all.

This is one channel the 20/20 track, hence the single tracked vocal. There was probably good reason for doing this. Maybe they tried a fold down from both channels, and it didn't sound too great. Maybe they tried mixing it from one channel and found it sounded better, and they had more control over the sound. I don't think they were cutting corners, or being lazy, I think it would have been a creative decision.

And I think it sounds great, however they did it

No DS (Darian) for 2004 SMILE

And CE doesn't match, it does phase - there IS  a longer gap at the end of the first chorus before second verse comes in - suggesting either different edit, 66 mix or they simply have made a new mono mix from the multitracks/ProTools stems they had or found since 2003/04

[GuyOnTheBeach]

I would love to contribute to this discussion, Perhaps soMeone would be so kind as to provide the necessary means  

[Iron Horse-Apples]

Some more on Cabin Essence

Well, I just synched the Mojo track and the '93 boxset track together on Cubase.

The first verse and chorus are completely in synch, not even the slightest hint of phase. The second verse and chorus go out of synch, but only because the edit has been adjusted.

The fact they are completely in synch would lead me to believe that AGD is right (again unfortunately). If they had gone back to the multitracks, you would expect there to be slight timing differences. Tapes stretch slightly every time they are played. This is almost certainly the version used on the 93 boxset, with a mix made from one side of the stereo pair.

If they had made a mix from the multitracks, you would have timing differences, however slight.

Listen to Mike's "crow cries" vocals again and compare them to the 20/20 stereo version. I've listened to BOTH channels isolated (in mono), and neither of them match the MOJO version. Mike's vocal sounds different and louder on the MOJO mix -- it simply CAN'T be a single-channel fake-mono track. And besides, that is the lowest, hack-iest move an amateur bootlegger would pull -- do you really think Mark Linett would put his name on such a thing? Reminds me of my old vinyl Beatles bootleg days -- Oooh, look! A mono "rough mix" of "Yesterday" without the strings! Amazing!!" Only it was just a single-channel outfake. It's offensive to even consider, but thankfully those Mike vocals make it virtually impossible -- and if anyone can re-create the MOJO mix with a single channel re-EQ'd, I'd love to hear it.

I know, and Truck Driving Man is louder too. I think they may have extracted some vocals with software, easy nowadays, just to give them some more control.

And yes, if the '68 multitracks are missing, which they apparently are, then they didn't have much choice.

It is the same track, seriously, and I'm not criticising it, I think it sounds great

[desmondo]

Some more on Cabin Essence

Well, I just synched the Mojo track and the '93 boxset track together on Cubase.

The first verse and chorus are completely in synch, not even the slightest hint of phase. The second verse and chorus go out of synch, but only because the edit has been adjusted.

The fact they are completely in synch would lead me to believe that AGD is right (again unfortunately). If they had gone back to the multitracks, you would expect there to be slight timing differences. Tapes stretch slightly every time they are played. This is almost certainly the version used on the 93 boxset, with a mix made from one side of the stereo pair.

If they had made a mix from the multitracks, you would have timing differences, however slight.

Listen to Mike's "crow cries" vocals again and compare them to the 20/20 stereo version. I've listened to BOTH channels isolated (in mono), and neither of them match the MOJO version. Mike's vocal sounds different and louder on the MOJO mix -- it simply CAN'T be a single-channel fake-mono track. And besides, that is the lowest, hack-iest move an amateur bootlegger would pull -- do you really think Mark Linett would put his name on such a thing? Reminds me of my old vinyl Beatles bootleg days -- Oooh, look! A mono "rough mix" of "Yesterday" without the strings! Amazing!!" Only it was just a single-channel outfake. It's offensive to even consider, but thankfully those Mike vocals make it virtually impossible -- and if anyone can re-create the MOJO mix with a single channel re-EQ'd, I'd love to hear it.

I know, and Truck Driving Man is louder too. I think they may have extracted some vocals with software, easy nowadays, just to give them some more control.

And yes, if the '68 multitracks are missing, which they apparently are, then they didn't have much choice.

It is the same track, seriously, and I'm not criticising it, I think it sounds great

I hear what you are saying but its not the same - second verse starts in a different place to the GV Box set version - balance of vocals is also different

Respectfully of course 

[Iron Horse-Apples]

Some more on Cabin Essence

Well, I just synched the Mojo track and the '93 boxset track together on Cubase.

The first verse and chorus are completely in synch, not even the slightest hint of phase. The second verse and chorus go out of synch, but only because the edit has been adjusted.

The fact they are completely in synch would lead me to believe that AGD is right (again unfortunately). If they had gone back to the multitracks, you would expect there to be slight timing differences. Tapes stretch slightly every time they are played. This is almost certainly the version used on the 93 boxset, with a mix made from one side of the stereo pair.

If they had made a mix from the multitracks, you would have timing differences, however slight.

Unless they were working from the same material in 66, 68, 83 and 2011

It would also have been put on Pro Tools (ML did it for DS) so they would have been able to do a comparison and correct any major differences

Do you mean PS? If so then I think all he did in terms of correcting differences was synching the vocals to the original instrumental multi tracks. This is exactly what I am talking about. When Brian dubbed the PS tracks down to mono onto an 8 track, and then rewound that tape 547 times whilst waiting for Al to sing the damn line correctly..... then the tape would be stretched, hence Mark had to make adjustemnts whilst synching it.

I don't know how the master for Cabinessence was made in '68, but I would suspect they mixed down what existed from '66 onto another tape, then added the leads and some sweetening. Carl was a great vocalist, but I'd be suprised it was done in two takes (one for each dub) More than likely there was constant stops and rewinds. Already you would have something that would not synch exactly with the '66 multi's

And I'm saying it synchs exactly - no phase at all.

This is one channel the 20/20 track, hence the single tracked vocal. There was probably good reason for doing this. Maybe they tried a fold down from both channels, and it didn't sound too great. Maybe they tried mixing it from one channel and found it sounded better, and they had more control over the sound. I don't think they were cutting corners, or being lazy, I think it would have been a creative decision.

And I think it sounds great, however they did it

No DS (Darian) for 2004 SMILE

And CE doesn't match, it does phase - there IS  a longer gap at the end of the first chorus before second verse comes in - suggesting either different edit, 66 mix or they simply have made a new mono mix from the multitracks/ProTools stems they had or found since 2003/04

Yes I mentioned that. The edit has been adjusted, it doesn't go out of phase, it goes completley out of synch here. If '68 vocals had been put onto the '66 multi's, then the whole track would be out. I only say this as someone who has spent many years working with tape.

And I could be wrong, I'd be happy if it was a new mix, I'm happy whatever it is.

And thanks again for the chance to hear it Desmondo.

[desmondo]

Some more on Cabin Essence

Well, I just synched the Mojo track and the '93 boxset track together on Cubase.

The first verse and chorus are completely in synch, not even the slightest hint of phase. The second verse and chorus go out of synch, but only because the edit has been adjusted.

The fact they are completely in synch would lead me to believe that AGD is right (again unfortunately). If they had gone back to the multitracks, you would expect there to be slight timing differences. Tapes stretch slightly every time they are played. This is almost certainly the version used on the 93 boxset, with a mix made from one side of the stereo pair.

If they had made a mix from the multitracks, you would have timing differences, however slight.

Unless they were working from the same material in 66, 68, 83 and 2011

It would also have been put on Pro Tools (ML did it for DS) so they would have been able to do a comparison and correct any major differences

Do you mean PS? If so then I think all he did in terms of correcting differences was synching the vocals to the original instrumental multi tracks. This is exactly what I am talking about. When Brian dubbed the PS tracks down to mono onto an 8 track, and then rewound that tape 547 times whilst waiting for Al to sing the damn line correctly..... then the tape would be stretched, hence Mark had to make adjustemnts whilst synching it.

I don't know how the master for Cabinessence was made in '68, but I would suspect they mixed down what existed from '66 onto another tape, then added the leads and some sweetening. Carl was a great vocalist, but I'd be suprised it was done in two takes (one for each dub) More than likely there was constant stops and rewinds. Already you would have something that would not synch exactly with the '66 multi's

And I'm saying it synchs exactly - no phase at all.

This is one channel the 20/20 track, hence the single tracked vocal. There was probably good reason for doing this. Maybe they tried a fold down from both channels, and it didn't sound too great. Maybe they tried mixing it from one channel and found it sounded better, and they had more control over the sound. I don't think they were cutting corners, or being lazy, I think it would have been a creative decision.

And I think it sounds great, however they did it

No DS (Darian) for 2004 SMILE

And CE doesn't match, it does phase - there IS  a longer gap at the end of the first chorus before second verse comes in - suggesting either different edit, 66 mix or they simply have made a new mono mix from the multitracks/ProTools stems they had or found since 2003/04

Yes I mentioned that. The edit has been adjusted, it doesn't go out of phase, it goes completley out of synch here. If '68 vocals had been put onto the '66 multi's, then the whole track would be out. I only say this as someone who has spent many years working with tape.

And I could be wrong, I'd be happy if it was a new mix, I'm happy whatever it is.

And thanks again for the chance to hear it Desmondo.

Never worked with tape -  but done stuff on ProTools and Logic

Cos Smile is 97% edits - they could have just matched the vocal track up via a cut in its track to match the extra space in the gap - easy with DAWs - tape would be a much more tricky operation I would imagine

[Iron Horse-Apples]

The balance of the vocals is different because it is only channel of the 20/20 version, and because they have put extracted vocals on there,...... maybe.

[GuyOnTheBeach]

Never worked with tape -   but done stuff on ProTools and Logic

Cos Smile is 97% edits - they could have just matched the vocal track up via a cut in its track to match the extra space in the gap - easy with DAWs - tape would be a much more tricky operation I would imagine

I'm thinking that is what they done, I'm sure I'm not the only one here who has spent hours cutting little bits out of some of the SoT tracks to make them match up (and using phase cancellation to create home made multitracks, that probably wasn't done here.. not an ideal process.. anyway going off on a tangent.), I'd love to know how much easier it was to do for this than it was when ML done the same process for the Pet Sounds remix  . I was thinking though for CE, would it be possible that (assuming only the 1968 stuff is AWOL) that an earlier mix or something was used, pre ADT, and that Mikes part (which I assume was recorded in 1966) still existed in multitrack, thus possible to remix that section ?

Oh, and again, thank you sir 

[Iron Horse-Apples]

Some more on Cabin Essence

Well, I just synched the Mojo track and the '93 boxset track together on Cubase.

The first verse and chorus are completely in synch, not even the slightest hint of phase. The second verse and chorus go out of synch, but only because the edit has been adjusted.

The fact they are completely in synch would lead me to believe that AGD is right (again unfortunately). If they had gone back to the multitracks, you would expect there to be slight timing differences. Tapes stretch slightly every time they are played. This is almost certainly the version used on the 93 boxset, with a mix made from one side of the stereo pair.

If they had made a mix from the multitracks, you would have timing differences, however slight.

Unless they were working from the same material in 66, 68, 83 and 2011

It would also have been put on Pro Tools (ML did it for DS) so they would have been able to do a comparison and correct any major differences

Do you mean PS? If so then I think all he did in terms of correcting differences was synching the vocals to the original instrumental multi tracks. This is exactly what I am talking about. When Brian dubbed the PS tracks down to mono onto an 8 track, and then rewound that tape 547 times whilst waiting for Al to sing the damn line correctly..... then the tape would be stretched, hence Mark had to make adjustemnts whilst synching it.

I don't know how the master for Cabinessence was made in '68, but I would suspect they mixed down what existed from '66 onto another tape, then added the leads and some sweetening. Carl was a great vocalist, but I'd be suprised it was done in two takes (one for each dub) More than likely there was constant stops and rewinds. Already you would have something that would not synch exactly with the '66 multi's

And I'm saying it synchs exactly - no phase at all.

This is one channel the 20/20 track, hence the single tracked vocal. There was probably good reason for doing this. Maybe they tried a fold down from both channels, and it didn't sound too great. Maybe they tried mixing it from one channel and found it sounded better, and they had more control over the sound. I don't think they were cutting corners, or being lazy, I think it would have been a creative decision.

And I think it sounds great, however they did it

No DS (Darian) for 2004 SMILE

And CE doesn't match, it does phase - there IS  a longer gap at the end of the first chorus before second verse comes in - suggesting either different edit, 66 mix or they simply have made a new mono mix from the multitracks/ProTools stems they had or found since 2003/04

Yes I mentioned that. The edit has been adjusted, it doesn't go out of phase, it goes completley out of synch here. If '68 vocals had been put onto the '66 multi's, then the whole track would be out. I only say this as someone who has spent many years working with tape.

And I could be wrong, I'd be happy if it was a new mix, I'm happy whatever it is.

And thanks again for the chance to hear it Desmondo.

Never worked with tape -  but done stuff on ProTools and Logic

Cos Smile is 97% edits - they could have just matched the vocal track up via a cut in its track to match the extra space in the gap - easy with DAWs - tape would be a much more tricky operation I would imagine

Not sure I follow.........bit late in the day. But yes, I don't use tape anymore, spent years missing it with my first forays into digital, but I've got a pretty sweet system now, and plug-ins to give it that tape saturation we know and love, but anyway, I won't turn this thread into something off the Hoffman board.

I do still double track all my vocals though, and have it down to a fine art

[pixletwin]

May is ask someone for a Piece of Marshmellow? 

[Dunderhead]

Went out today to try and pick one of these up. Can anyone pm me this stuff?

[desmondo]

Some more on Cabin Essence

Well, I just synched the Mojo track and the '93 boxset track together on Cubase.

The first verse and chorus are completely in synch, not even the slightest hint of phase. The second verse and chorus go out of synch, but only because the edit has been adjusted.

The fact they are completely in synch would lead me to believe that AGD is right (again unfortunately). If they had gone back to the multitracks, you would expect there to be slight timing differences. Tapes stretch slightly every time they are played. This is almost certainly the version used on the 93 boxset, with a mix made from one side of the stereo pair.

If they had made a mix from the multitracks, you would have timing differences, however slight.

Unless they were working from the same material in 66, 68, 83 and 2011

It would also have been put on Pro Tools (ML did it for DS) so they would have been able to do a comparison and correct any major differences

Do you mean PS? If so then I think all he did in terms of correcting differences was synching the vocals to the original instrumental multi tracks. This is exactly what I am talking about. When Brian dubbed the PS tracks down to mono onto an 8 track, and then rewound that tape 547 times whilst waiting for Al to sing the damn line correctly..... then the tape would be stretched, hence Mark had to make adjustemnts whilst synching it.

I don't know how the master for Cabinessence was made in '68, but I would suspect they mixed down what existed from '66 onto another tape, then added the leads and some sweetening. Carl was a great vocalist, but I'd be suprised it was done in two takes (one for each dub) More than likely there was constant stops and rewinds. Already you would have something that would not synch exactly with the '66 multi's

And I'm saying it synchs exactly - no phase at all.

This is one channel the 20/20 track, hence the single tracked vocal. There was probably good reason for doing this. Maybe they tried a fold down from both channels, and it didn't sound too great. Maybe they tried mixing it from one channel and found it sounded better, and they had more control over the sound. I don't think they were cutting corners, or being lazy, I think it would have been a creative decision.

And I think it sounds great, however they did it

No DS (Darian) for 2004 SMILE

And CE doesn't match, it does phase - there IS  a longer gap at the end of the first chorus before second verse comes in - suggesting either different edit, 66 mix or they simply have made a new mono mix from the multitracks/ProTools stems they had or found since 2003/04

Yes I mentioned that. The edit has been adjusted, it doesn't go out of phase, it goes completley out of synch here. If '68 vocals had been put onto the '66 multi's, then the whole track would be out. I only say this as someone who has spent many years working with tape.

And I could be wrong, I'd be happy if it was a new mix, I'm happy whatever it is.

And thanks again for the chance to hear it Desmondo.

Never worked with tape -   but done stuff on ProTools and Logic

Cos Smile is 97% edits - they could have just matched the vocal track up via a cut in its track to match the extra space in the gap - easy with DAWs - tape would be a much more tricky operation I would imagine

Not sure I follow.........bit late in the day. But yes, I don't use tape anymore, spent years missing it with my first forays into digital, but I've got a pretty sweet system now, and plug-ins to give it that tape saturation we know and love, but anyway, I won't turn this thread into something off the Hoffman board.

I do still double track all my vocals though, and have it down to a fine art

Let me try and explain with the proviso that I am no expert with Pro Tools but have used it and I may be teaching egg sucking

I have the complete backing track or the sections on one track which I can edit/fade together all the parts

If I also have the Carl lead vocal I can synch, EQ, edit, etc that to match the backing track - that is why the new "gap" doesn't make any difference

If then Mike's Over and Over was recorded separately and is on a separate track or even part of the Carl lead track I can put that on and EQ it change levels etc - I don't know this is true though from tracking dates etc

If I also have the backing vocals whether separately or as one mixed track I can also put those on top and repeat editing, EQ ing etc - even if they are mixed with the backing track the new gap wont make any difference

Perhaps a good example is the H&V building of the vocal tracks from SOT

Please correct if this is all impossible - it does of course depend on a certain number of multi tracks being available

I can then mix and master the whole thing to mono

[pixletwin]

Thank you for the marshmallow. They were yummy.

[desmondo]

Thank you for the marshmallow. They were yummy.

Glad they ere sweet - We are going to all become bloaters when this thing comes out - we've spent a few pages on just one song - any bets on how many pages for the complete set

[Roger Ryan]

Okay, I haven't even heard the new "Cabin Essence" (Perhaps I Might soon, along with the new "Wonderful"), but my understanding was that only Carl's lead recorded in '68 was missing; the chorus vocals and Mike's coda vocal exist on multi-tracks. I have no idea whether Dennis' "Truck Drivin' Man" exists apart from the finished 20/20 mix.

Am I totally misinformed here?

[Bradley333]

Also cannot find the magazine. By any chance, would some kind soul do me a favor via pm? Thank you kindly in advance....

[rogerlancelot]

Thank you for the marshmallow. They were yummy.

Please, May I have one too???

[bossaroo]

will somebody play with me?

or post the dang thing to youtube already???