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1  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Leonard Cohen passes away at 82 on: November 11, 2016, 05:20:45 AM
But some of the students complained that it was too slow (I mean, how could anyone dance to it??!)
Oh well, different strokes for different folks

That's what the Moody Blues were told when they delivered Days of Future Passed to Decca. It later became a huge hit.
2  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Pet Sounds and Race on: October 16, 2016, 07:10:17 PM
I'm curious if the people who get terribly angry at "political correctness" for trying to control how people speak about things ever notice how much they themselves try to control how people speak about things.

I'm not sure whether you were referring to my resurrection of this thread or John Lemon's response, but I wonder if you care to actually address my point.

Let me put it another way. I'm white, but I grew up in a section of  Salt Lake City that was majority minority.  Solid majority Hispanic with a lot of Polynesian mixed in.  My school district was the first majority minority district in the state.  My particular neighborhood was mostly Polynesian, so the soundtrack to my childhood was a mix of Jawaiian and traditional Samoan folk. In fact, my first exposure to Beach Boys music was  neighbors playing the surf stuff on ukuleles.  I came to love the traditional Samoan/Tongan stuff the best and I still listen to it heavily today.

Now, let's take the passage I cited before and replace the white stuff with Polynesian:

"For a lot of listeners, Fau'ula stands for Poly-dad folk, which stands for a worldview we’re in the necessary process of dismantling."

Would anybody ever say that? Hell no. It would truly be immoral, bigoted and racist. I find it fascinating that popular Progressive culture finds it cool-- nay, necessary-- to throw one culture/race under the bus as the single exception to their Prime Directive.  The rationale for this is what I'm interested in understanding.

My comment was not specific to your comment, but rather that there are now 6 pages of denunciations of rather mild commentary saying that, basically, rock and roll started out primarily as a black medium and rapidly became a primarily white medium. The denunciations of 'political correctness' and 'social justice warriors' are now a very aggressive silencing and social censoring force of their own. Anti-political correctness, which is basically that you can't criticize racism or sexism, is its own powerful political correctness. But none of the people shouting down people who discuss racism seem to notice that they are trying to control expression every bit as much, and in the same way, as political correctness does.

Regarding your specific comment, if we lived in a society in which the hegemonic power and culture had been, for centuries, Polynesian - in a culture in which virtually all senators, congress people, presidents, judges, business leaders, governors, millionaires and billionaires, news reporters and anchor people, and talk show hosts and show runners had been Polynesian - though a significant minority of the population had been white people all that time; and if that society had actually, for the vast majority of that time, up until the living memory of many white people,  by law suppressed white people; and if in that society white people still disproportionately experienced violence and incarceration by the state, and if there remained, say, 42% of the population supporting a Polynesian presidential candidate with a life-long history of anti-white statements and actions, I would find it not offensive that someone wrote a mention of 'Poly-dad' music.

Criticism is not the same as silencing. Silencing is shutting down debate by screeching things like "check your privilege at the door" when confronted with an uncomfortable argument.

Rock and roll has roots in the African American community. Sombreros have roots in Mexico. Who cares? It is important for historical reasons but beyond that it belongs to all who love it.

African Americans are disproportionately inprisoned because African American commit crimes at a disproportionately higher rate that other ethnicities.

The violence that African Americans suffer at disproportionately higher rates than other ethnicities is primary committed by African Americans. White on black violence is a footnote except to the SJW fascists who are more concerned with tearing society apart than fixing it.

You are not obliged to appreciate 'Pet Sounds' but if you criticize it because it represents 'white culture' and its roots are in 'black culture' then you are an idiot. I have no respect for people who make their ethnicity, gender or orientation the central focus of how they filter life, art and other human beings, because in doing so they are no different than David Duke.

BTW, I am proudly #neverTrump


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3  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Campaign 2016 on: October 13, 2016, 11:06:53 AM
Five minutes of Hillary and we'll be at war with Russia. But hey, at least you won't have Trump, right? Smiley

Where are you from, anyway, Mr. thorgil?
4  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Pet Sounds and Race on: September 27, 2016, 07:27:56 PM
The evil of things like "cultural appropriation", like "microagreessions", "intersectionality" and "safe spaces" are concepts propagated by fascists.

America at its best is an exercise in cultural appropriation.

Now excuse me - my Kung Pao fajitas are ready.


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5  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Pet Sounds and Race on: September 27, 2016, 03:29:46 PM
What the hell did I just read?
6  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: person on this board would you most like to meet for a day on: September 26, 2016, 06:13:09 PM
Look, I told you. I LIKE Van Dyke Parks. He's a NICE PERSON. Just note YUGE like the Beach Boys. Smiley
7  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: person on this board would you most like to meet for a day on: September 26, 2016, 06:05:49 PM
Definitely S-fucking-B. We can have our Mike back and forths for real, bruh.
8  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: The Legend of Zelda: Breath of The Wild on: June 20, 2016, 10:44:31 AM
I am so excited for this game. Skyward Sword set the bar so high and I think this will exceed it.
9  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Scott Bennett discussion thread on: June 15, 2016, 12:54:09 PM
Justice was served, although five years is a slap on the wrist for such a heinous act.

Six months is a slap on the wrist.

No doubt, Mr. McCabe.
10  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Scott Bennett discussion thread on: June 15, 2016, 10:07:26 AM
Justice was served, although five years is a slap on the wrist for such a heinous act.
11  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Campaign 2016 on: June 15, 2016, 10:06:13 AM
I would prefer a white Wiccan male president myself.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I Love Kokomo on: June 14, 2016, 12:34:28 PM
It's a good song, good vocals all around. The sax solo is regrettable.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pet Sounds 50 track listing on: June 10, 2016, 08:40:47 PM
It's interesting (or not, I suppose) that the "Beach Boys" Facebook page is heavily promoting the PS 50th set, including posting links to the Brian/Al in-studio videos, and Brian and Al are cross-posting/re-posting stuff from the "Beach Boys" Facebook page, but Mike hasn't posted any promotion of the PS 50th set on his Facebook page (as far as I can tell; I haven't scavenged the whole thing; he certainly hasn't promoted it in recent weeks).

He made one post on the PS anniversary a few weeks ago, and posted a link to a YouTube video that promoted his "50 Years of Good Vibrations" tour, and he has mentioned the anniversary in the context of playing songs from the album in his shows.

Another example of bad individual and group management; to not even be able to cross-promote an archival group project.

Somewhat related, but I thought it was interesting that the live songs with Brian, Al and company are being labeled as a performance by the Beach Boys.

I smell a lawsuit.
14  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Pet Sounds Forum on: June 05, 2016, 12:05:24 PM
And may I ask what said precise qualities are?
As I said above, even if a quarrel is not actually about Mike Love, there seems to be a fault line where one side of the quarrel will be people who frequently take a stance of defending ML and the other is people who frequently take a stance of criticizing him.
I think the bulk of the 'defending' people have moved there and the bulk of the 'critcizing' people have stayed here. Other people, of which there are many, have sorted themselves according to their comfort level with the individuals of those groups.
There are some people who could legitimately go back and forth without making waves in either place.

I will admit to being a defender of Mike in SOME cases but not to where it leads to putting down Brian or the rest of the band. Like that silly article going around about "destroying the Brian is a genius myth" or whatever it was, for example. Yeah, the band could do well enough when Brian had limited participation and probably should have relied more on what they could do as opposed to forcing Brian to participate during the Brian's Back thing, which might very well have led to Brian having more trouble during the late 70s until he was rehabilitated. I do not think that equals bashing Brian or unfairly propping up Mike or the rest of the band. Brian's reputation is such that he would always be a shadow cast over the band when he wasn't around as much on the records. In the past I did say some bad things in the heat of the moment that left a bad taste in many folks' mouths. I cannot take them back. I wish it was different. I also don't think blaming Craig for the negative feelings left over from that helps. He had nothing to do with that.

I was not invited there due to my views on the band. I was invited by a personal friend, no more or less. It is another place to post.
15  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Pet Sounds Forum on: June 05, 2016, 10:30:27 AM
And may I ask what said precise qualities are?
16  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Campaign 2016 on: June 05, 2016, 10:30:01 AM
The irony of Sanders fans bitching about delegates still tickles me to this day. "You earned that? Actually, we're gonna redistribute that because fairness!" It's just too freakin' hilarious. See, they only want redistribution they agree with. Smiley
17  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Pet Sounds Forum on: June 05, 2016, 10:19:10 AM
I actually haven't joined. I meant that a few people over there give me the vibe that they wouldn't be to happy with SS members joining, simply because they would be  considered  "one of them"( I.e. one of a group of people driving people away, forcing them to create their own place.). I didn't mean to single myself out personally as one who would be unwelcome. I just meant that a certain few over at PSF can make a guy nervous over whether it's ok to "join their club". Did any of that make sense?  LOL
Thanks for the concern, though.  Smiley

I'm a member of both forums and have not once felt unwelcome on the Pet Sounds Forum. I think you might be a smidge paranoid about the whole thing, but hey...horses for courses.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Interview With Brian In Israel on: June 04, 2016, 07:06:30 AM
That was a good one; he was in a great mood. Loved his comments about Israel near the end.
19  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: RIP Muhammed Ali on: June 03, 2016, 09:33:01 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/muhammad-ali-greatest-all-time-dead-74-n584776

One of the greats. RIP.
20  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Campaign 2016 on: June 03, 2016, 07:50:01 PM
This election has provided us with some (if not the) of the most worthless candidates on record. Trump? Hillary? Sanders? Bunch of losers, the lot of 'em. Depending upon who you ask, I'm either a bleeding heart liberal, a wacky libertarian, a far-right racist, or a closeted gay progressive (no bullshit; an alt-righter accused me of that when I said the alt-right were social justice warriors). These candidates this election cycle are FUCKING HORRIBLE. They just suck. Third parties barely matter; the Libertarian Party will probably take 2% at most despite Gary Johnson's recent polling at 11%.

The electorate doesn't get the candidates they need; they get the candidates they deserve.
21  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Scott Bennett discussion thread on: June 02, 2016, 01:52:50 PM
Whomever is doing the record keeping in OK must have gone to public school. LOL
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: June 01, 2016, 09:03:56 PM
Honestly, you don't really NEED all of the alternate mixes, backing tracks, a cappellas and so on; you could just use the actual songs themselves maybe peppered with a few choicer alternates and such.
23  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Campaign 2016 on: June 01, 2016, 09:02:57 PM
Of the three major candidates still in the race, Hillary would have the easiest time achieving ends. If he was actually one of the two major parties' candidates, Gary Johnson would as well. Trump and Bernie would end up blocked by Congress every step of the way. I'd rather see a president who can't get anything done. Calvin Coolidge was good at that.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: June 01, 2016, 08:02:39 PM
Most of it is actually UNreleased, predominantly the session recordings.
25  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Campaign 2016 on: June 01, 2016, 06:44:41 PM
Trump talks a big game. He won't be able to do a tenth of what he says he will.
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