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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Surf's Up Question on: September 18, 2019, 07:16:07 PM
Sorry, I'm a bit confused now. If the Smile Sessions version is Brian's Dec 15 vocal mixed with part 1 from 1971, does that mean the 1971 version is entirely a new recording? The Wiki article suggests that it was done over the 66 backing track, but then isn't matching Brian's solo vocal with the 66 backing track exactly what they did? Or are you talking about matching the Inside Pop version with the 66 track? Any clarification is much appreciated--this is my favourite song of all time, and I'm fascinated by the process through which it came together.

The "Smile Sessions" version is a combination of 1966 and 1971 elements. The first part is Brian's lead vocal from the '66 "solo" studio version on top of the '66 backing track, but with some 1971 overdubs mixed in. And then the second part is Brian's solo demo, again with some, but not all, of the 1971 overdubs added.

Another way to look at the "Smile Sessions" version is that it's as the final released version was in 1971, but with Carl's vocal in the first half replaced with Brian's, and with *some* but not all of the '71 overdubs mixed down or out.

The only way to really label elements of the recording is by referring to when each element in question was *recorded*, as the final 1971 release of the song includes of course both '66 and '71 elements. The "Smile Sessions" version is, in reality, the same. It includes elements of both '66 and '71 sessions, but in different combinations.

Or I'm totally missing what's being as asked, or stating the obvious, in which case I apologize!  LOL

This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for clarifying!
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Surf's Up Question on: September 17, 2019, 02:18:14 PM
Sorry, I'm a bit confused now. If the Smile Sessions version is Brian's Dec 15 vocal mixed with part 1 from 1971, does that mean the 1971 version is entirely a new recording? The Wiki article suggests that it was done over the 66 backing track, but then isn't matching Brian's solo vocal with the 66 backing track exactly what they did? Or are you talking about matching the Inside Pop version with the 66 track? Any clarification is much appreciated--this is my favourite song of all time, and I'm fascinated by the process through which it came together.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Lead Vocals on 1970's The Flame on: August 23, 2019, 07:02:25 PM
That The Flame Complete CD sounds incredible! I'd kill to have it. I can only imagine how good the remaining songs are, considering how much I love the first 11.

It's also a big shame about that previous incident. I really enjoyed your study videos, Stephen.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Lead Vocals on 1970's The Flame on: August 22, 2019, 06:50:06 PM
I've been listening to The Flame's self-titled 1970 album a lot lately (what an incredible album!). It occurred to me though that not all of the vocals sound like Blondie. In particular, Don't Worry Bill, Get Your Mind Made Up (verses), Highs and Lows, and Another Day Like Heaven sound like someone other than Blondie is singing.

Does anyone have any idea who sings lead vocals on which tracks? I've tried to A/B some of the tracks with Ricky's leads on The Rutles album to figure out which songs could be him, but I can't figure it out.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: CD Availability Question (Analogue Productions) on: June 12, 2019, 02:02:44 PM
Thanks, both of you! That answers my question. I guess I will go ahead and pick both of those up!
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / CD Availability Question (Analogue Productions) on: June 12, 2019, 09:48:54 AM
I'm wondering about the current availability to two specific albums on CD.

The first is Smiley Smile with the stereo mix. I'm aware there are multiple CDs with the stereo Smiley Smile--there's the Japanese pressing with mono and stereo, and Analogue Productions also has a hybrid mono/stereo one listed through Acoustic Sounds. The Japanese one seems more or less unavailable for purchase other than used for a small fortune. Is the Analogue Productions version the same mix? Can it be ripped to a computer (I've never bought an SACD before--I hear those can't be ripped normally but it might also have a regular CD layer?). Does anybody own this?

The other one is the Analogue Productions CD for Holland that came out a couple years back. I distinctly remember them adding We Got Love to the tracklist, but when I check on Acoustic Sounds now, We Got Love is no longer listed. Was the version with that as a bonus track discontinued?
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Challenge: Combine MIU and LA into a single cohesive classic LP on: March 29, 2019, 08:20:27 AM
I know I'm pretty much alone with this, but MIU is one of my faves by The Boys. It's fun, nothing too deep, but it doesn't feel forced, you know? Must be all those Brian Wilson compositions, I guess.

LA? Make the disco track shorter, Shortnin' Bread longer (in style of long Can't Wait Too Long, with different variations coming up) and throw in a few Dennis tracks he was working on at the time. And voila, you'll have a classic odd AOR album there.

Completely in agreement with this. The only thing I don't care for on MIU is the Peggy Sue cover. Drop that and add "Why" from MIC and it's good to go. LA on the other hand... I'm not sure how to fix that one, but at least it's listenable outside of HCTN.
8  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: The Sylvans - Pack It Up on: December 05, 2018, 06:10:37 PM
I know it's been months since this was posted, but I was just browsing this thread and came across it. The drums at the beginning kind of reminded me of Ticket to Ride by the Beatles. Anyway, I was letting it play as I was browsing the internet and then it autojumped to another of your songs--So Much Better. Just wanted to say I love that one! Very great pop rock melodies there! Out of Sight just came on as I'm typing this and I'm also enjoying that. It's a shame your music doesn't have more of a playcount. Have you shared anywhere else?
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: November 21, 2018, 10:01:38 PM
Just saw Brian in Toronto. I've gone to see him every time he's come here since C50, so I know what to expect. Still, it seemed today even more than usual that he's really sick of singing these songs, maybe even of touring in general. The oddly phrased almost talk singing thing worked for some songs better than others (it was okay, for example on Good Vibrations, but Don't Talk was absolutely terrible). He can still sing when he wants to--there were several moments throughout the night where he actually put in the effort and delivered some good vocals, which made his performance everywhere else just seem bizarre. He did a really great job singing Love and Mercy, and God Only Knows was also all right. All that said, the man is 76 and has been doing this exact tour for like over a year now. If I were in his shoes, I'd be sick of it too. He definitely gave a better performance the last time he was here, but really, we don't go to his shows for the performance anyway, right? And especially with the Facebook post calling this the last time he'd come to Toronto, I didn't want to risk missing it.

On to the other stuff. Al Jardine is finally sounding a bit older, but he still put on a great show. I'm always happy to see him. Blondie was amazing is always, really lively and really taking over the stage whenever he came on. Definitely the highlight of the show. And I was blown away to hear Feel Flows! Darian also killed it singing Darlin'. The only thing I wasn't a fan of was the new singer--I think Brian said it's his son in law? He just didn't do it for me. I miss Matt Jardine, and I REALLY miss Foskett. Oh well.

At the end of the day, I enjoyed the show and I'm glad I went. I find Brian's lack of interest funny (not in a mocking way, but more in the same way we laugh at all the Brianisms throughout the years) rather than offensive (you got to love how he sings two lines of Fun, Fun, Fun and then just gives up and leaves Al to do the rest), and as I said, I do sympathize with how tired he must be from all these performances, especially at his age and with his back problems. And if he does wind up coming back to do another show, I'll definitely go see him again--every chance I get. He's probably my favourite human being on the planet.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 18, 2017, 03:29:31 PM
Controversial opinion, but Brian's modern voice minus the heavy autotuning is going to take some getting used to. Hm. I like this--a modern take on the classic pre-Pet Sounds period. If this is what the legendary "rock and roll album" will sound like, I'm on board. Though, I might wind up being sad that it's not a Beach Boys album. This sounds exactly like the kind of song Mike would get on board for. With Brian's solo stuff, I'm looking more for the weird, melancholy, quirkiness of an album like NPP. If he's going to make music like this that's more fun, why not get Mike and Bruce and make it the real deal? (I mean, if Mike cares so much about getting in a room and writing something from scratch, why is his new single a terrible remake of a song he and Brian wrote almost 50 years ago?) But hey, I'll take whatever we get at this point. Great song.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What outtake should've been included on BW Anthology instead of Some Sweet Day? on: September 16, 2017, 09:01:37 PM
I think you nailed it with It's Not Easy Being Me. If that had been on there, this would've been a day 1 instant purchase. As it is, I'll probably pick up the anthology eventually, but I'm in no rush to do so.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Al interview on: September 01, 2017, 08:45:21 PM
Wow! I would kill to see a performance of Friends!
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Heroes and Villains Live Iteration on: August 26, 2017, 09:47:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPbSbFLYvIo

Go to 4:45
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Glen Campbell 1936-2017 on: August 08, 2017, 08:06:10 PM
As many others have said, I'm sad to hear this but glad that he's finally at rest. I remember my grandfather playing Rhinestone Cowboy for me when I was a kid. I was surprised to find out many years later that that same guy played such a huge role in The Beach Boys. And Wichita Lineman is one of the most beautiful songs ever written. I usually can't bring myself to play songs from an artist who has recently passed, but I think I'm going to go give that one a listen in his honour. R.I.P.
15  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: All I Wanna Do cover on: May 05, 2017, 08:39:07 PM
I love this! Nice arrangement--the piano has a really dream sound. I don't think you have to bury your vocals so low in the mix; they sound great. Are you familiar with Animal Collective at all? You could totally pull off their vocal style.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BB songs you love but other fans not so much on: May 03, 2017, 03:18:57 PM
I came to say Matchpoint of our Love, but it seems thats already one of the most popular in this thread. Most of MIU and The Beach Boys 85.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Songs That Would Have Been Better With Different Lyrics on: March 15, 2017, 09:47:50 PM
I've always found Let's Put Our Hearts Together cheesy despite loving the actual music.

And someone will probably come along and mention Match Point Of Our Love, but that's one of my favourite songs lyrics and all.

18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: And so it starts.... on: August 27, 2016, 09:42:03 AM
I read this thread title thinking Brian had announced that he'd begun work on a new album or something. But of course, it's just more bitterness.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike’s New PBS Special (and the debut of “Happy Endings” on CD) on: August 21, 2016, 03:54:25 PM
Damn. I'd love to have Happy Endings on CD, but I'm not paying $156 for it.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2016 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds 50th Anniversary Tour) on: July 04, 2016, 11:01:36 PM
marcella27 -- Oh, you're right, it was. And that's one of my favourite Beatles songs. How embarrassing. >.>
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2016 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds 50th Anniversary Tour) on: July 04, 2016, 09:16:05 PM
I was at the Toronto show. Pretty great, as usual. I was excited for Funky Pretty, but I actually didn't really care for their live rendition that much. Highlights were One Kind Of Love (I absolutely love this song, and as a bonus Brian remembered all the lyrics this time!--last year he forgot how the verse went), Let's Go Away For A While, Here Today, Pet Sounds, and Good Vibrations. Brian's singing was hit and miss as usual. I also love that they played the sound effects at the end of Caroline No. And Matt Jardine totally stole the show. He does Brian's parts way better than Foskett ever did.

Also, I'm not sure if this has been asked already in this massive thread, but does someone have a list of all of the little song snippets they used when introducing the band members? I recall Smoke On The Water, Carry On My Wayward Son, and Day Tripper. What were the other ones?
22  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: New album - 'New Religion' on: March 23, 2016, 12:18:03 AM
If you need a more beach boysy intro to the album check out this one...has some harmonies in a tag at the end:

http://jonahlustig.bandcamp.com/track/no-instructions

anyway would love feedback. i know it's not a 'genre' album (dont think it has much of a precedent in terms of sound) but personally i think that makes it more interesting...but whatever if people think it's "too weird" i just tell them folks said the same about smile...im allowed to be delusional  LOL Smokin Evil






This was really cool. I'll have to check out more tomorrow.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? on: March 12, 2016, 10:55:06 PM
The rarest Beach Boys song is a good SiP song.  Cheesy

So Lahaina Aloha then?
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sir George Martin RIP on: March 08, 2016, 11:35:34 PM
The only producer I hold in higher regard than Brian himself. Along with a certain four individuals, this man shaped modern music. Can't express how big a fan I am of his work, not just with the Beatles, but elsewhere as well. Rest in peace.
25  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Kanye West - The Life of Pablo on: February 26, 2016, 01:45:32 PM
I'm not suuuuper familiar with Kanye, although I actually enjoy Yeezus and Graduation quite a bit. I just wanted to appreciate the similarity you pointed out to Smile.

Where are you finding these rearrangements/unreleased tracks? Perhaps one of these nights when I'm not studying for physics I'll take a gander at those.

The unreleased/alternate tracks leaked gradually over the last week or so. They're not available by any legitimate means, of course. You could probably still find them if you looked hard enough.
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