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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How did the BB’s make money in the 60’s? on: Today at 02:44:35 PM
COMMENT:  They didn't make money. The BB organization was running a huge deficit during the 60's. They owed everyone -- even me. They had a terrible reputation among studios and hotels before it was turned around. They borrowed against future royalties, ran up bills and didn't pay, booked rooms and hotel bills that stayed in accounts payable for a long time. Brian loaned the band from his income. It was Grillo's fiduciary juggling act that kept everything functioning. But still some studios refused to book them and promoters found it hard to house them on tour due to the poor reputation for paying bills that preceded any visit. Studio Instruments put a limit on their account as did some credit card companies. A lot of this was due to their extravagant life-styles and living beyond their means that never reflected the down-turn in total record sales.

But eventually things got better . . . it's just that some people had to wait quite a while for their money.
  ~swd

Wow, interesting. As a working class/poor person, I couldn't even imagine what it would be like to live rather lavishly but be in substantial debt. I'm in a small amount of debt (a couple of grand), but I live on bread and peanut butter to pay it, given my wages are so low.

Sounds like they must have at least treated their accountant well!
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Do you have any regrets? on: Today at 12:51:24 PM
In summer 2013 I saw Brian play at the Ravinia Festival in Illinois. I cheaped out on the seats. I regret that because I don't think I will ever see Brian Wilson in concert ever again. I feel like I could have taken far more from the concert if I was closer to the stage. It was a good show, though. They played Old Folks At Home/Old Man River as well as Cotton Fields, two favorites of mine.

Later in the summer I bought $20 tickets to see Mike and Bruce at a county fair in Wisconsin. I didn't go, was feeling lazy. I don't regret that as much, but I wish I at least went.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Vocal edits, punch-ins + copy/paste vocals in BB songs on: Today at 12:46:43 PM
The Made in the USA version of WIBN, which is an earlier rough mix, has a different lead by Brian during the two verses, but I think his vocal at the end during "you know it seems the more we talk about it" is perhaps the same as in the final Pet Sounds version.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Vocal edits, punch-ins + copy/paste vocals in BB songs on: Today at 11:16:46 AM
In the single version of Isn't It Time, with the changed lyrics, Al's chorus vocal is spliced rather lazily. I think the specific phrase in the chorus "all of those things" is common to both versions, the same recording.

Wontcha Come Out Tonight: Brian's vocal in each refrain is the same recording.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: Today at 11:04:40 AM
Hey Jude, do you think David could technically argue for his right for a share in BRI because (correct me if I'm wrong) Murry Wilson eliminated his share (I think)?

In short, naw, I don't think so.

I think just logistically/realistically, it just isn't something that would work. I doubt Dave can or wants to pay lawyers to pursue such a thing, and BRI has many, many lawyers always at the ready.


Do you think Mike would help David out to that end?
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Discuss Every Beach Boys Song Day By Day on: Yesterday at 01:06:04 PM
About the song being a "hit." Outside of the states it sunk like a stone. I feel like the fact it didn't do well in the UK says a lot.
7  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles Survivor #15: Past Masters Vol. 2 on: Yesterday at 12:54:58 PM
Lady Madonna
Hey Jude
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Discuss Every Beach Boys Song Day By Day on: Yesterday at 01:31:32 AM
To the tune of Be True To Your School:

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooone


9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: February 21, 2018, 02:57:06 PM
Why is David Marks no longer considered a member, while Brian and Al are?
The only other definition we can use is the legal/corporate definition. By this definition, Mike, Brian, and Al are and have always been "Beach Boys" by virtue of being shareholders in their BRI corporation. In contrast, Bruce (and David when he has been with the band) has always been more or less "salaried."

So Bruce is still a member of "The Beach Boys" because he is a salaried member of the touring band, and David is not because he does not tour with the group (aside from the seldom special occasion)?
On Wiki Brian, Mike, Al, and Bruce are listed as the current members of the band, David having apparently left in 2012. This all seems very arbitrary to me. As you said, The Beach Boys (really) are no longer together.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: February 21, 2018, 10:41:13 AM
Why is David Marks no longer considered a member, while Brian and Al are?
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love Oh! Those Girls & American Girls on: February 20, 2018, 10:13:53 AM
Interestingly all of Mike's Catch a Wave/Nascar album are on Spotify as the album "California Girls" by Adrian Baker. Perhaps Adrian's the one doing the monkeying?
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love Oh! Those Girls & American Girls on: February 19, 2018, 10:34:04 PM
Does anyone actually have any info on these?  When were they recorded?

1982, I've heard.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / Other Solo Albums / Re: Mike Love of The Beach Boys: Catch A Wave (Mike Love) on: February 19, 2018, 05:58:47 PM
Catch a Wave is on Spotify as "California Girls" by Adrian Baker. Mike Love is not credited at all. 


I wonder if this is Adrian Baker's idea of revenge for him being fired from The Beach Boys?
Evil
14  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Smiley Smile Net Official Member Picture Thread on: February 19, 2018, 05:01:40 PM


SORRY MY PICTURE IS SO BIG
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys session at Abbey Road 2018 on: February 19, 2018, 03:10:15 PM
The Roy Orbison one sold ridiculously well in the UK - been in the Top 100 since release, spent 8 weeks in the Top 10, and is available in all the supermarkets.

Still I can't see a Beach Boys one having half as much promotion or sales.

Yeah, and the Elvis ones (all three volumes) were smash hits.

Who's buying these things when the original recordings are sitting right there next to it on the shelf?
People who are so burnt out on the originals they they're trying to recapture the freshness they experienced the first time?
People who say "Y'know, Don't Be Cruel really could've used an oboe. I've said this all along and now I'm vindicated!"?
The people who bought those Hooked On Classics albums?   

(Lady in checkout line at Walgreens)

"Hey my husband loves The Beach Boys! Might as well surprise him with this!"

16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Specific Beach Boys Musical Moment That Is Kicking Your Ass Right Now on: February 19, 2018, 12:45:39 PM
The boot where BW sings it live in 1971 is even better! Cool Guy

Man I’m gonna have to dig that out, wish I had my collection more easily accessible.
It's on YouTube here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptrbZwsQqdg

Thanks much! I do prefer the original but its great to hear him sing that himself.

it's Jack Rieley
17  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles Survivor #15: Past Masters Vol. 2 on: February 19, 2018, 11:16:34 AM
Only a Northern Song
Hey Jude
18  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Songs you are obsessing over. on: February 19, 2018, 10:49:14 AM
Beer For My Horses -- Toby Keith
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Friends on: February 19, 2018, 10:48:15 AM
I used to paint to this album. It's so relaxing. Friends really has its time and place.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love Oh! Those Girls & American Girls on: February 19, 2018, 10:45:01 AM
Adrian Baker is an artistic genius. His solo work is jaw droppingly magnificent and his 1980s work with Mike are all diamonds in the rough -- discarded, but not forgotten, much like Smile.
21  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Pet Peeves on: February 19, 2018, 10:42:29 AM
Public restrooms.... Tongue

When I use the men's restroom I don't care. When I use the women's restroom I care a lot!
22  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Pet Peeves on: February 19, 2018, 10:18:52 AM
guys who don't leave the seat down
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys session at Abbey Road 2018 on: February 17, 2018, 04:13:06 PM
I don't understand. What's going on?
24  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles Survivor #15: Past Masters Vol. 2 on: February 16, 2018, 11:46:50 AM
The Inner Light
Old Brown Shoe
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Discuss Every Beach Boys Song Day By Day on: February 15, 2018, 11:35:36 AM
Only With You is far too maudlin for my tastes, plus I dislike the "All I want to do-OOO is spend my life with you-OOO" tag. Most likely a "2" because it's at least not as bad as Make It Good
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