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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (2019 Brent Wilson Documentary) on: April 03, 2019, 06:38:32 AM
the speeding up of CN was most probably done at the time for the 45 single release, in other words that's what Murry & Capitol felt was necessary if a Brian Wilson solo record was going to have the best radio play chance

the speed change was merely carried over when it was placed on the PS album now as a group effort
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BBs members sharing outfits on: March 26, 2019, 09:59:29 AM
the early striped shirt period has already been mentioned, but don't forget the earlier (and obvious) woolen Pendleton shirt time, circa surfin safari
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: why are songs repeated on the early albums, ie. \ on: March 22, 2019, 07:21:53 AM
their fans, if not the record buying public in general, are entitled to value-for-money when buying a new 45 not the same old flip-side that it seems a joke.  we got love was mastered but not released at that time which could've been the flip to child of winter instead of SC

"It is when music publishers and record companies make the effort to seize upon or create opportunities for their copyrights."

still sounds like we don't want to bother spending the money (for a new flip-side) as articulated by accountants (creative type perhaps) instead of a music artist


4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: why are songs repeated on the early albums, ie. \ on: March 21, 2019, 01:36:22 PM
"That's not what was Reprise was doing with Susie Cincinnati."

sure it was

same difference - saving money.  capitol did it ("exploiting catalog" = saving money, or trying to make more on what you already have out there). reprise did it so as not to master anything new on a 45 they probably had little confidence in it the time, and save the flipside new mastering expense
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: why are songs repeated on the early albums, ie. \ on: March 21, 2019, 11:02:08 AM
there's a slightly more contemporary equivalent to this old LP practice

I'm referring of course to SUSIE CINCINNATI that appeared as the perpetual 45 B-side

and it's not like the guys didn't have plenty of finished but unreleased tracks to substitute in its place at that time
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: March 19, 2019, 10:14:11 AM
that is almost true
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: No Endless Summer on: March 14, 2019, 08:20:48 AM
a point probably not lost on the suits @ Capitol records, but Endless Summer was a double LP of the old mixes, no new remastering and certainly no songs in stereo for the first time.  Yet a huge success although technically retarded.  It took the new CD era to motivate somebody finally dig out the old multi's and stage tapes
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New movie Charlie Says, with Dennis, Gregg Jakobson and Terry Melcher on: March 14, 2019, 08:13:47 AM
3 different movies about Charles manson, waiting to see each:




the first title has the most Beach Boy characterization I'm told (of course they all do)

the last film may have the best title IMO, if one's well acquainted with the manson details
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Hal Blaine on: March 11, 2019, 07:27:19 AM
everyone loves Hal Blaine
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smile Songs Used In Other Albums on: February 19, 2019, 07:09:49 AM
beach boys song chords are a well-known tonic for what ails 'ya.  that's a given (for fans)
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: February 13, 2019, 01:44:01 PM
copyright of a composition vs. copyright of the recording, an interesting distinction

brings to mind Brians I'M WAITING FOR THE DAY which had a copyright in 1964 but not recorded (for Pet Sounds) until 1966 (with the usual Mike Love tampering with the lyrics).  what was submitted for copyright back in 1964, a title and a written lyric?  probably.  a chord sheet or note chart?  probably not
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: February 12, 2019, 02:24:20 PM
actually I think it's neither, since recording sessions for a song can span years (cabinessence certainly wasn't entirely 1968)

copyright, or more accurately publishing date are the official base
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: February 12, 2019, 01:18:34 PM
technically the 20/20 sessions digital release last year jumped the 50 year copyright extension gun, since while Friends LP was 1968 (for Wake The World sessions), 20/20 originally was 1969

so now that we're over a month into 2019 what (other) 1969 material still needs such extended copyright protection?  BreakAway

that would seem to be it.  with a stretch one could include the UK 45 single version of Cottonfields which's of course a 1970 release there (recorded in 1969).  the US 45 also is a 1970 release but it's the 20/20 version which's already been covered on the sessions.  over a year went by for them to release it as a single from the album (probably a capitol move, although that doesn't exactly explain why Al went ahead with his revised recording)

so mssrs boyd & linnet could take a breather and give us nothing more until 2020, for the copyright extension release of Sunflower material.  And there's certainly a ton there

With that overload my conjecture is some of it (sunflower)--that which's known to have earlier recording dates--could jump the gun and come out at the end of this year.  while the other half of material would be a 2020 copyright extension release.  that fragments sunflower so maybe they'll scotch my idea.  a quandary with no singularly good answer

p.s.:  it seems confusion could be had between the calendar year 2020, vs. the title of the beach boys album

14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Remembering Carl on: February 07, 2019, 09:57:37 AM
yes in May '84 I saw their show where Carl sang Heaven (it was in Monterey I think)
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: My Reimagined Beach Boys Albums Website on: February 05, 2019, 12:19:27 PM

16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Connect the Beach Boys dots... songs on: January 23, 2019, 12:33:17 PM
land ahoy.......cherry cherry coupe

can't put my finger on it precisely but I've long thought there's some of be true to your school in I get around

and I know I hear strains of don't worry baby in please let me wonder
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: January 04, 2019, 06:22:08 AM
"The password for the video is “smile”"

who'd've thunk?
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Keepin' the \ on: December 27, 2018, 11:27:02 AM
"....the band's massive post-Holland artistic decay...."

I like it when a phrase turns up every now and then that really hits the nail on the head

I've told people, even those only half-interested, that there's no greater consecutive (studio) album release difference in approach, style, and performance to be found anywhere than Beach Boys HOLLAND vs.  15 BIG ONES

WTF's echoing for an eternity
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: (suspended) on: November 05, 2018, 08:22:37 AM
"When the claims of a participant contradict things that are established, proven, on the record, it is our responsibility as music historians to ask why. That is all."

I've never heard a phrase of such pompous, self righteous wind-bag blather like that ever before.  That is all?  That is enough!
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: November 02, 2018, 07:30:59 AM
perhaps this needs a new thread topic instead but i'll start here

Brian Wilson plays the entire Christmas album (plus favorites)

with special guests Al Jardine and Blondie Chaplin

my local concert date is Nov. 30 at Chicago Theatre.  radio advertisements for it began yesterday

Brain Wilson is termed in the announcement 'co-founder of the Beach Boys', but since Al Jardine's also present then they have all the real group founders IMO, no need to quantify it further

now they don't say WHICH Christmas album, and by my count there are 3.  perhaps they want to keep it vague (and in the general public eye, as opposed to hardcore fans, it doesn't matter which), side-stepping the point for the time being that Mike won't be there to sing Little Saint Nick, if it's played at all.

I just hope he performs CHILD OF WINTER, which of course isn't from any album per se.  He does that one and the hardcore fans will be satisfied in one fell swoop (besides it's been my favorite since it first was heard on Chicago radio just 2 days before the holiday itself back then).  On that one it may not matter at all that Mike originally had (most of) the lead.

you can hear in the radio spot Brian singing we wish you a merry Christmas, but strangely his voice is kept low in the mix throughout and that's about all one can be sure of
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys studio disasters and screwups? on: September 27, 2018, 12:51:36 PM
brian & tandyn @ whiskey-a-go-go supposedly 1970:
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What would have been a fair price for Sea of Tunes? on: September 06, 2018, 01:51:58 PM
we've of course read that when news of Murry's impending SOT publishing sale got out at the time, the band tried to put the funds together to make a counter-offer to keep it in the family.  but it did not happen because either they fell $hort or technically too late to scuttle the Almo deal

Murry viewed the beach boys song catalog as a passing fad that'd lost its value.  the dismal performance of recent Breakaway no doubt convinced him of that.  but I wonder if he was enticed, because everyone in the business knew who he was and what he owned

I think he had become enormously disappointed and yes, something of an axe to grind with Brian.  I wonder if he had held on to the catalog instead, would he have been able to get along with the likes of Nick Grillo and especially Jack Reilly, who in a few years turned their fortunes around

had administering the publishing (admittedly large songlist) become too much of a daily chore that a person getting into his '60s was just not able.  I can only say for sure he acted like he had no confidence or appreciation in the lasting beauty of Brian'd composed
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: My Very First Beach Boys Release on: August 20, 2018, 01:09:04 PM
in '67 I bought Pet Sounds on vinyl, but soon traded it to a friends' friend (don't ask)

I bought stack-o-tracks in '68 and found it fascinating

major part of the reason I got rid of my first PS was I's getting heavily into reel-to-reel tapes, getting a concord deck from allied radio for Xmas '67, so I was on the lookout for pre-recorded reel albums of which many stores sold here

I wanted a beach boys and a beatles tape but all my selections were limited to the 7-1/2 IPS speed (early on I learned 3-3/4 tapes were too inferior).  For the beatles capitol made Revolver @ 7-1/2, and Pet Sounds for the beach boys that speed too (and only those albums, a frustrating situation which did change some years on).  I played the dickens out of both those tapes on my concord, which graduated to a Tandberg 64X before too long.  And listened almost always through headphones (I must be the only person who enjoyed duophonic stereo via headphones, shame on me)

the capitol double disc BB compilation Close-Up would be next and I so regret not getting Friends during the brief time it was a new release.  However when Sunflower came out I was the only one in my gang who bought it new, so it got borrowed out a lot
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How much acutal tape splicing did Brian do himself? on: August 14, 2018, 10:36:10 AM
for the more tricky tape edits - was a visual aid ever resorted to in identifying the precise point at which to make the (blade or scissors) cut?

for a tape traveling @ 15 IPS, there is some latitude

the visual aid might be a magnetic fluid that's lightly wiped or sprayed onto the tape oxide - one brand I recall the name of was 'Magna-See' (but there were a couple others, maybe FerroSheen).  With judicious application it momentarily lets you see the recorded waveforms of the track, to identify peaks/valleys the engineer can tie into what is heard at the playback head (at that moment).

the Beatles SHE LOVES YOU is said to have 7 splice points, editing back and forth between several song takes.  Most people should be able to take an educated guess where one or two of them maybe giving it a critical listen - Ringo's high-hat cymbal seems to come and go arbitrarily at a probable edit point.  My long-standing belief is that's the true reason a stereo mix of that song was never released, i.e., those 7 edit points are tolerable in a dense mono mix, but when a more discrete stereo was attempted they called too much attention to themselves for public consumption
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Everyone back together for a Beach Boys Q&A for Sirius XM? on: July 31, 2018, 10:29:15 AM
the shirt issue really spoils the event, visually, so at least we have radio to thank for (reminds me of a song title)

something more important this brings to mind is late George Harrison and how he'd describe his former Beatle years as "a shirt I used to wear but don't anymore"
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