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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smile Sessions Box Set (2011) / Re: TSS - All things Child is father ...... on: August 22, 2019, 06:23:58 AM
Just some thoughts about this track since I've started tinkering/mixing/etc with Smile for the millionth time a few weeks ago.

More and more I believe that the version that best works for me follows the BWPS template for the major part. That is, starting with the 'verse'. It just seems the right, mystical atmosphere, without giving it all away (that's what starting straight with the chorus does for me).

Moreover, starting with a verse rather than the 'bridge' makes room for including the verse more than once, like the old acetates do as does the 2011 mix. It's just too good a piece of music to hear just once... And it makes for a cohesive, clear structure like most of the old Smile material has, with a clear verse, chorus and bridge section. Verse/chorus/verse/chorus gives the track a more complete feel, more of a song, than just fragments (all to my ears of course).

Then: the bridge, as a pause in the song, time to overthink what happened in the minute and a half before.

How to end the song? Well, just listen to virtual all the vintage edits: one more chorus. Or, half a chorus like the vintage instrumental edit. Whatever you may choose though, I think it would have ended with a fade-out.

I came across some forum post that made this point again: most of Brian's songs end with a fade. Smile material included. It makes the songs go on forever, it completes them once and for all.

Furthermore, the last bass/cello tone of the chorus just doesn't seem to be recorded as a 'hard finish'...way too 'casual' I feel. It rings out in the 1966 instr test edit, but there's talking going on, so chances are it would have been a short fade out like Good Vibrations. A short repetition of the main part of the song, a reminder for the listener.

So, all 'revelations' put together, what I think is both historically and musically a very satisfying edit of this personal favourite song:

Verse/chorus/verse/chorus/bridge/(half-)chorus/FADE.

Just wanted it to share with some of you who might still be reading these threads.

PS: this 'fade-out' thing made me turn down the volume of the last notes of Wonderful as well. The bass notes are brought forward in the 2011 mix, with echo and all, but  in all seriousness, it would have been a strange ending to the song. In my opinion it would have been a short fade out, just making it to end of the last backing vocals (won-won, won-won...). Much more likely and musically 'logical', I think.



Your perspectives on fade outs here has blown my mind as such an obvious and useful piece of the smile puzzle. I recently made an edit of CITFOTM using this acetate for the non vocal sections to get that vintage mix (that distant piano is essential to me), and this fade will complete it beautifully. I'd love to hear the exact timings you've used on both this and Wonderful.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: August 22, 2019, 06:21:58 AM
Are there any rumblings regarding anything from 1969 coming out this year?

There's been some minor stuff, but nothing close to official. Some think there could be a Sunflower box set or even a Sunflower / Surf's Up set, which would be awesome. But I don't know. It would be cool to some physical product this year from the guys, but if the best we can get is downloads (a la last years sets) then so be it. I'll be happy to buy the stuff either way!

And I just realized I didn't answer your question. I would say its about 99% sure that we will get at least a 1969 set this year, judging by the copyright sets they've done since 2013 (for the 1963 material).

I would certainly love a SDE of Sunflower/Surf's Up in one set, with all recordings in chronological order, and in vintage mixes where appropriate. However, I'm also a big fan of the 2CD set format, as not only was it physical AND cheap, but it was also cheaper than buying the digital download last year. But I also don't want to miss out on anything... we'll see where we go from here. This material, IMO, demands the vintage mixes as most of the material has come out since in other mixes, though I'm for alt mixes, remixes, and a cappella/backing track mixes too.

Okay, sod it, give us everything.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread on: December 07, 2018, 03:42:19 AM
The “issue” with trying to say these should be physical discounts the fact that these two sets exceed the time limit of to CDs - I’d rather have all the material digitally, than miss out on some physically. Obviously I’d love a multi CD physical though.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 14 Beach Boys albums coming to vinyl/SACD on: July 20, 2016, 07:43:39 AM
Finally got my Holland album in the mail.  Only took a year to receive it!   Razz  Just gave it a spot-listen in the SACD player and so far so good.  Interestingly, "We Got Love" (studio version) is present and accounted for but there is no mention of it anywhere in the liner notes or in the packaging. 

You confused me.  When you said "album" I thought you meant vinyl.  But anyway, hows the sound?

Sound is pretty good.  SACD sounds as it should be.  The regular CD audio sounds fine as well, although the overall volume levels appear to be a tad lower than previous remasters of this album.  Glad I finally received this album.

That's a good thing - louder volume generally means the audio is more compressed and compromised to increase the perceived Loudness.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 14 Beach Boys albums coming to vinyl/SACD on: May 23, 2016, 03:03:17 AM
the SACD's look really well packaged from images online.  Can't justify spendin' the dough on these yet after rebuying the mono/stereo releases from a few years back.  The SACD's no doubt are the better product, but gee, how many copies of surfer girl or little deuce coupe draws the line?....

The differences in sound quality between the 2012 releases (I'm assuming that's what you're referring to) and the SACDs are night and day.  The 2012's sound very shrill and brittle to me, particularly the stereo portions.  The SACDs are probably the best these are ever going to sound on cd.  Not perfect, but very enjoyable.

The packaging is a huge difference as well.  The thin, flimsy covers of the 2012's are guaranteed to scuff up the cds in a short amount of time (and I hate eco-packs), while the SACD packaging is much more durable and friendly to the discs.

I'm not made of money, so I have made the decision to buy only certain ones.  When the next batch comes out (hopefully soon) I will certainly buy Sunflower right off, and then I'll see how I feel about the others at that time.

The only SACD I'm really on the fence about is Pet Sounds.  I already have the MFSL SACD of it and I think it sounds wonderful, but I have seen comments from some people that the AP is even better.  Thoughts, anyone? 

As someone with all the SACDs so far (Bar Party!), I say they are ALL worth it. Pet Sounds is slightly better than the MFSL, but not enough to say buy it if you only want the stereo - obviously essential for the mono. Everything else is essential.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SmileySmile Unofficial C50 Audio Project....(Cause the official one blows!) on: May 23, 2016, 02:36:04 AM
There's some pretty decent boots of whole shows, Red Rocks being well known. I have a Hollywood Bowl one a friend did too.
7  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Extraordinarily disappointing news regarding Scott Bennett on: May 07, 2016, 02:36:44 PM
I can't believe this happened. I am shocked. Scott took this poor woman somewhere quiet.

I see what you did there. I laughed too much.

Regardless, this is terrible. I would say I hope the victim gets their compensation, but you can't compensate for a horrific experience.
8  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Monkees 50th anniversay - new album on: April 29, 2016, 03:49:24 AM
New Single  - She Makes Me Laugh, Written by Rivers Cuomo from Weezer - is out, and is great! Micky on lead, Nez and Tork on backing vocals, and Tork on Banjo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpp-Ry2ZNhY
9  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Explorers Club on: April 23, 2016, 08:24:18 AM
I'm excited for this album. Some good sounds so far, and Wyatt Funderburk, one of the newest members, is a terrific musician. I haven't however actually listened to Freedom Wind...
10  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: ? on: April 23, 2016, 08:21:22 AM
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11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's in the studio on: February 26, 2016, 04:20:45 PM
They HAVE to be making a documentary for Pet Sounds' 50th.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thats Why God Made The Radio Single? on: February 25, 2016, 12:06:48 PM
A: I could probably do a much better job of the needledrop of the TWGMTR instrumental now, or at least Lossless.

B: What I really want is the Isn't It Time Instrumental on the Promo CD. It's never been uploaded anywhere, and sadly the Promo CD goes for more than I'm willing to pay on Discogs.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pheonix and Bill Murray release \ on: December 05, 2015, 05:02:44 AM
I really liked it, especially after Mike's atrocity.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BEACH BOYS’ PARTY! Uncovered and Unplugged on: December 04, 2015, 11:24:34 AM
So it came out today in the UK... On the internet it seems. No HMV I've been to has any sign of it.
15  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: New Hypnotic Eye single - \ on: December 04, 2015, 06:39:04 AM
Be sure to check out our other singles until the album is ready!

Any idea when that will be, give or take a month?   

At the moment it's very unsure. The plan was December, but the producer is in a bit of dilemma at the moment(it's a very long story), and while it's all recorded, all we have is the three singles, and no contact as he appears to be devoid of Internet (and in Malaysia).

I'll be sure to let you know when we do.

Current title is "BELIEF" though.

Okay. Thanks. Good luck with the album.  :=)

I was planning on picking up the Fear 2 Stop album at the same time but I may get that sooner now...

Yeah, pick that up first. It could be a couple of months yet.
16  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: New Hypnotic Eye single - \ on: December 04, 2015, 04:22:47 AM
Be sure to check out our other singles until the album is ready!

Any idea when that will be, give or take a month?   

At the moment it's very unsure. The plan was December, but the producer is in a bit of dilemma at the moment(it's a very long story), and while it's all recorded, all we have is the three singles, and no contact as he appears to be devoid of Internet (and in Malaysia).

I'll be sure to let you know when we do.

Current title is "BELIEF" though.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1965 archives on: November 30, 2015, 02:53:32 PM
It would seem odd to not have a release covering the rest of Today!/SDSN, even with the Party! CD...
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Most up-front BB lead vocals vs. most buried BB lead vocals on: November 30, 2015, 04:08:06 AM
COMMENT:
Dennis will try to bury his vocals because he doesn’t think he’s a very good singer and gets embarrassed when he hears himself under the “microscope” of a studio monitor during mixdown. I have fought with him many times trying to convince him that his vocal was too low


It seems like one time this wasn't the case was (Wouldn't It Be Nice To) Live Again. His vocal is very prominent, especially in the chorus. It's terrific.

One would assume WIBNTLA is a 2012 mix.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Yowza - this cooks!! Love and Mercy on: November 29, 2015, 03:00:48 PM
This video was posted six months ago, and this is the first mention of it I've seen here. What a cool opportunity for the kids. A couple of them even pay excitedly in the comments section.

That being said, the effect on Brian's voice is...unique. Is his voice being doubled live, as he's singing? Or was it added later? Not asking sarcastically, I genuinely don't know.

I don't think the whole thing is meant to be live per se. Brian is doubled and processed heavily beyond doubt.
20  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Planned Parenthood videos exposed as fake. on: November 29, 2015, 09:41:55 AM
What is now exposed is that these videos are faked and a hoax and you failed to update the thread on your now debunked story. It boggles the mind how so many of you use the Fox News propaganda machine as truth and fact.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/04/opinions/louis-planned-parenthood/

Not only that, it is illegal for PP to sell fetal tissue, and PP is prohibited by law to use Federal money for abortion services.

I'd like to control your right to buy a gun but it is your Constitutional right. Funny how you Republicans complain about the over reach of big govt and govt regulation but when it comes to your issues, like abortion,  you want to pass laws to control and stop it.

Yes, the woman's right to chose, Constitutional right as handed down by the Supreme Court. In case you didn't  realize, carrying around a big thing in your belly for 9 months is no trivial thing.  It  can endanger a woman's health, mess up her body permanently and affect her life in multiple ways you obviously have never seriously considered. Not to mention, deciding not to bring a child into a situation of poverty in some cases. Seems like not adding to the 50% of takers Mitt Romney and Fox NEWS love to complain about would make you happy.

I love this post so much.

Abortion should always be a choice.
21  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: New Hypnotic Eye single - \ on: November 28, 2015, 03:24:25 PM
Scandalous that no one has commented yet. Too busy gouging each other's eyes out across the road, no doubt.

Vid's a tad cheezy, F, but the song is top-notch. As are your brilliant interpretations of Beach Boys songs. The autotuned ones are in a class of their own. Grin

Thanks for taking a chance to listen, and I'm glad you liked it! The video was put together pretty quickly by me just so we had something people could share easily, at the end of the day, it's the music that's important. Be sure to check out our other singles until the album is ready!
22  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / New Hypnotic Eye single - "While I'm Young" [With Music Video!] on: November 26, 2015, 03:45:00 AM
Hi everyone, I'm back again with another Hypnotic Eye single from our upcoming album, this time it's the Garage Power-Pop number "While I'm Young".
This track has had an AMAZING response from everyone I've played it to, so hopefully the fine folks at Smiley Smile will enjoy it too Smiley I've eve put together a music video for it this time, using pro-shot live footage, studio footage, odds and ends, and even some old footage of both Joe and I.

I hope you enjoy it! The download links are on the YouTube description, but you can get it for free from our Bandcamp and Soundcloud, but it's also on iTunes, Spotify, GooglePlay... You name it!

Watch the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH5yinRU2-s
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl Wilson's backing vocals on Tom Petty's Wildflowers on: November 26, 2015, 03:37:53 AM
Great thread. I'm not the hugest Petty fan overall, but that stretch with Wildflowers/She's the One/Echo just hits me in the right way. Very melancholy vibes to each, and a very upfront sound; great headphone albums for me.

I do hear Carl in the "ooh" stack on Honey Bee, but it does not jump out at all, I have to listen with the knowledge that he's on it. Just listening to Hung Up and Overdue again, and here he similarly isn't incredibly prominent. Is he anywhere else on the song besides the outro? I'm on laptop speakers so my judgement may not be optimal...

And the thought of Carl in the Wilbury's is delightful. I actually don't like their output that much, I'm not a huge fan of the Jeff Lynne sound on certain things (actually I really dislike the sound and production of Full Moon Fever to be honest, despite some great songs).

Carl doubles Tom in the chorus doesn't he?

"I'm overdue, for a dream come true" etc.

24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BEACH BOYS’ PARTY! Uncovered and Unplugged on: November 26, 2015, 03:29:43 AM
Is there anywhere in the UK that has this for sale at the moment. Nowhere has it Cry
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 14 Beach Boys albums coming to vinyl/SACD on: October 14, 2015, 02:27:42 AM
So, can I get a double check on Scott Nangle for the SACDs? I remember at least one member here ordered theirs from him successfully, but I just want to confirm this before I order ASL/BBT/SDSN/PS (I'm skipping Party!... for now).
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