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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: Yesterday at 11:55:29 PM
Crazy to think that yesterday was the last date of the C50 tour, and the last time we saw any actual unity here. Anyone scared of damaging the brand has truly missed the entire point.

I wonder if it’s anything to do with how poorly Sunflower did on the charts? “Why is that worth celebrating”.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Cottonfields single version stereo mix intro on: September 21, 2020, 01:19:48 AM
It starts with a guitar intro, when the original single version starts more like the original 20/20 version. I think that's the reason
The Original Single has that guitar intro too, but it's just quite quiet.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions on: September 18, 2020, 03:01:42 AM
I agree that NPP is nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be. However, it could easily have been much better:

Side A:
1. This Beautiful Day
2. On The Island
3. The Right Time
4. Whatever Happened
5. Guess You Had To Be There
6. Tell Me Why

Side B:
1. I'm Feeling Sad
2. Somewhere Quiet
3. Half Moon Bay
4. One Kind of Love
5. Sail Away
6. The Last Song

To me, this puts together the best of the sessions musically, and with some great guest features from Zooey & Kacey. It also works wonderfully as a single LP follow-Up to TWGMTR, and I wish we got something like this for the vinyl version.


I would ditch Half Moon Bay and put Saturday Night on instead.

While I do miss the inclusion of 'Saturday Night' from Freddie's tracklist, I also really like how chill he made the album by taking off the overly pop-sounding songs.

Gonna make that into a playlist.
I agree that Saturday Night is a fun track for sure, and I can understand slipping it in to side 2 instead of either Somewhere Quiet or Half Moon Bay, but this does make for a very chilled LP for sure, and I do adore consistency. Having the poppier tracks as an EP around the same time would be a fun bonus for me.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 17, 2020, 02:11:32 PM
Just to let you know, no announcements re: FEEL FLOWS will be coming via a fanzine.
If and when the project picks up steam -- I promise you guys will be first to know.

Also chiming in with a thanks for dropping by. Your phrasing gives me some hope that, if still stuck, it’s not completely off the cards yet.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Cottonfields single version stereo mix intro on: September 15, 2020, 07:37:20 AM
It could just be that Mark and Alan fancied offering up the difference as a fun tidbit, or they felt they couldn't replicate the effect in a satisfactory way.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mixology Podcast: The Complete Wild Honey Mono/Stereo Mix Breakdown on: August 28, 2020, 08:22:49 AM
Hey I haven't had a chance to listen to the entire thing, but thus far I've listened to about 1/3rd of it, AMAZING! You have such a radio-friendly voice that I had to check out what other podcasts you have done - glad to see there is another Beach Boys album to look into (and I'm intrigued by the rest of the episodes too).

Your breakdowns are very informative - you helped me pick up on stuff that I never noticed before in the mono mixes. Also your production is 10/10.

I would love to hear an episode about the Pet Sounds stereo/mono mixes...as I definitely prefer some songs in stereo and some songs in mono from that album - would be cool to hear your thoughts on it. Perhaps talk some about the CATPs Pet Sounds mix.

But thanks for posting this, looking forward to finishing the episode and hearing more!

When it comes to Pet Sounds, I have a long list of notes I've been working on... it's certainly on the cards, but I wanted to build up the episodes a bit further before I jumped on that train. I will however say that the CATP Mono LP does match the standard mono, but I might do a run down of pressings as a bonus in the episode, as... well... why not?  LOL

Your comments mean a lot though! I do get a bit concerned about my delivery sometimes, so I'm glad it comes off well, same on the production. It's been a while since I've been on the board, so it's nice to see a familiar face like yours chip in.  Smiley

Stay tuned!

Freddie
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mixology Podcast: The Complete Wild Honey Mono/Stereo Mix Breakdown on: August 27, 2020, 11:35:12 PM
Looks like a lot of cool stuff on the site!  I will be perusing soon.

Thank you very much! Hopefully there’s plenty more to enjoy than just the Beach Boys episodes! All feedback is welcome.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 26, 2020, 02:38:51 AM
Just throwing in my bump again to keep making some positive noise about this material! BRI, my wallet is ready!
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions on: August 26, 2020, 02:37:47 AM
I agree that NPP is nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be. However, it could easily have been much better:

Side A:
1. This Beautiful Day
2. On The Island
3. The Right Time
4. Whatever Happened
5. Guess You Had To Be There
6. Tell Me Why

Side B:
1. I'm Feeling Sad
2. Somewhere Quiet
3. Half Moon Bay
4. One Kind of Love
5. Sail Away
6. The Last Song

To me, this puts together the best of the sessions musically, and with some great guest features from Zooey & Kacey. It also works wonderfully as a single LP follow-Up to TWGMTR, and I wish we got something like this for the vinyl version.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Mixology Podcast: The Complete Wild Honey Mono/Stereo Mix Breakdown on: August 26, 2020, 01:26:03 AM
Hello Friends! If you haven't stumbled upon my Mixology podcast before, in each episode I take an album, and break down the mono and stereo mixes associated with that album, and often non-LP tracks associated with it. However, today I've taken my first look at a remix on the show, and that is for 1967's Wild Honey. Obviously comparing the 1967 Mono Mix to the 2017 Sunshine Tomorrow Stereo Mix, there were a surprising amount of very clear differences between the two mixes, making a 24 min album into a 44 min episode! I will also be taking in to account the 2001 Mix of Let the Wind Blow, the 2012 mixes of Wild Honey & Darlin, and the 2013 Stereo mixes of Darlin' & Country Air, as well as a a little curio from the 1967 French Stereo LP, and the Sunshine Tomorrow "Stereo Single Mix" of Aren't You Glad.

If you enjoy the episode too, I've previously covered Shut Down, Volume 2, as well as albums by The Beatles, The Hollies, The Rolling Stones, Simon & Garfunkel, and more, with plenty more to come! You can find the podcast on all good podcast platforms searching up "Mixology", and once you get past all the alcohol related ones, you're golden! You can also find the show on Podbean right here: https://mixology.podbean.com/

If you enjoy the show, consider checking out my companion podcast "Back to Mono", which is structured more like a radio show, where I play mono mixes taken directly from my vinyl collection, with plenty of nerdy discussion of course. Again, all podcast platforms, and on Podbean here: https://backtomono.podbean.com/

SO! Please enjoy the show, and let me know any suggestions for future episodes.

Happy Listening,

Frederick

11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 17, 2020, 05:24:59 AM
The more I read this thread the more I just feel frustrated.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 17, 2020, 05:00:33 AM
Someone on the Hoffman forum claims to know the real reason the box is delayed.  Of course he isn't telling, so...

Yeah, I asked if he could give anything close to a indication of how he feels it's going... and he kinda sits where we are. It's more (he says) that he knows someone in the know, rather than actually knowing the project.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 11, 2020, 07:58:22 AM
No one knows how much I desire this set than my wife, and I honestly think she'll want it to be released just to keep me quiet LOL

In all seriousness though, a collection of this material finally released to the world would truly make so many people's 2020 far better than it has been. I'm lucky that I haven't hit too hard, but this set would still make all the difference. The prospect of a large book to go along with this set, with many of the wonderful photos from this era inside, would be a huge icing on the cake, and I'm sure if this gets a physical release, that would be a no brainer.

My money is merely waiting BRI. Show me the payment link and there will be no hesitation.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smile Sessions Box Set (2011) / Re: TSS - All things Child is father ...... on: August 22, 2019, 06:23:58 AM
Just some thoughts about this track since I've started tinkering/mixing/etc with Smile for the millionth time a few weeks ago.

More and more I believe that the version that best works for me follows the BWPS template for the major part. That is, starting with the 'verse'. It just seems the right, mystical atmosphere, without giving it all away (that's what starting straight with the chorus does for me).

Moreover, starting with a verse rather than the 'bridge' makes room for including the verse more than once, like the old acetates do as does the 2011 mix. It's just too good a piece of music to hear just once... And it makes for a cohesive, clear structure like most of the old Smile material has, with a clear verse, chorus and bridge section. Verse/chorus/verse/chorus gives the track a more complete feel, more of a song, than just fragments (all to my ears of course).

Then: the bridge, as a pause in the song, time to overthink what happened in the minute and a half before.

How to end the song? Well, just listen to virtual all the vintage edits: one more chorus. Or, half a chorus like the vintage instrumental edit. Whatever you may choose though, I think it would have ended with a fade-out.

I came across some forum post that made this point again: most of Brian's songs end with a fade. Smile material included. It makes the songs go on forever, it completes them once and for all.

Furthermore, the last bass/cello tone of the chorus just doesn't seem to be recorded as a 'hard finish'...way too 'casual' I feel. It rings out in the 1966 instr test edit, but there's talking going on, so chances are it would have been a short fade out like Good Vibrations. A short repetition of the main part of the song, a reminder for the listener.

So, all 'revelations' put together, what I think is both historically and musically a very satisfying edit of this personal favourite song:

Verse/chorus/verse/chorus/bridge/(half-)chorus/FADE.

Just wanted it to share with some of you who might still be reading these threads.

PS: this 'fade-out' thing made me turn down the volume of the last notes of Wonderful as well. The bass notes are brought forward in the 2011 mix, with echo and all, but  in all seriousness, it would have been a strange ending to the song. In my opinion it would have been a short fade out, just making it to end of the last backing vocals (won-won, won-won...). Much more likely and musically 'logical', I think.



Your perspectives on fade outs here has blown my mind as such an obvious and useful piece of the smile puzzle. I recently made an edit of CITFOTM using this acetate for the non vocal sections to get that vintage mix (that distant piano is essential to me), and this fade will complete it beautifully. I'd love to hear the exact timings you've used on both this and Wonderful.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: August 22, 2019, 06:21:58 AM
Are there any rumblings regarding anything from 1969 coming out this year?

There's been some minor stuff, but nothing close to official. Some think there could be a Sunflower box set or even a Sunflower / Surf's Up set, which would be awesome. But I don't know. It would be cool to some physical product this year from the guys, but if the best we can get is downloads (a la last years sets) then so be it. I'll be happy to buy the stuff either way!

And I just realized I didn't answer your question. I would say its about 99% sure that we will get at least a 1969 set this year, judging by the copyright sets they've done since 2013 (for the 1963 material).

I would certainly love a SDE of Sunflower/Surf's Up in one set, with all recordings in chronological order, and in vintage mixes where appropriate. However, I'm also a big fan of the 2CD set format, as not only was it physical AND cheap, but it was also cheaper than buying the digital download last year. But I also don't want to miss out on anything... we'll see where we go from here. This material, IMO, demands the vintage mixes as most of the material has come out since in other mixes, though I'm for alt mixes, remixes, and a cappella/backing track mixes too.

Okay, sod it, give us everything.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread on: December 07, 2018, 03:42:19 AM
The “issue” with trying to say these should be physical discounts the fact that these two sets exceed the time limit of to CDs - I’d rather have all the material digitally, than miss out on some physically. Obviously I’d love a multi CD physical though.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 14 Beach Boys albums coming to vinyl/SACD on: July 20, 2016, 07:43:39 AM
Finally got my Holland album in the mail.  Only took a year to receive it!   Razz  Just gave it a spot-listen in the SACD player and so far so good.  Interestingly, "We Got Love" (studio version) is present and accounted for but there is no mention of it anywhere in the liner notes or in the packaging. 

You confused me.  When you said "album" I thought you meant vinyl.  But anyway, hows the sound?

Sound is pretty good.  SACD sounds as it should be.  The regular CD audio sounds fine as well, although the overall volume levels appear to be a tad lower than previous remasters of this album.  Glad I finally received this album.

That's a good thing - louder volume generally means the audio is more compressed and compromised to increase the perceived Loudness.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 14 Beach Boys albums coming to vinyl/SACD on: May 23, 2016, 03:03:17 AM
the SACD's look really well packaged from images online.  Can't justify spendin' the dough on these yet after rebuying the mono/stereo releases from a few years back.  The SACD's no doubt are the better product, but gee, how many copies of surfer girl or little deuce coupe draws the line?....

The differences in sound quality between the 2012 releases (I'm assuming that's what you're referring to) and the SACDs are night and day.  The 2012's sound very shrill and brittle to me, particularly the stereo portions.  The SACDs are probably the best these are ever going to sound on cd.  Not perfect, but very enjoyable.

The packaging is a huge difference as well.  The thin, flimsy covers of the 2012's are guaranteed to scuff up the cds in a short amount of time (and I hate eco-packs), while the SACD packaging is much more durable and friendly to the discs.

I'm not made of money, so I have made the decision to buy only certain ones.  When the next batch comes out (hopefully soon) I will certainly buy Sunflower right off, and then I'll see how I feel about the others at that time.

The only SACD I'm really on the fence about is Pet Sounds.  I already have the MFSL SACD of it and I think it sounds wonderful, but I have seen comments from some people that the AP is even better.  Thoughts, anyone? 

As someone with all the SACDs so far (Bar Party!), I say they are ALL worth it. Pet Sounds is slightly better than the MFSL, but not enough to say buy it if you only want the stereo - obviously essential for the mono. Everything else is essential.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SmileySmile Unofficial C50 Audio Project....(Cause the official one blows!) on: May 23, 2016, 02:36:04 AM
There's some pretty decent boots of whole shows, Red Rocks being well known. I have a Hollywood Bowl one a friend did too.
20  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Extraordinarily disappointing news regarding Scott Bennett on: May 07, 2016, 02:36:44 PM
I can't believe this happened. I am shocked. Scott took this poor woman somewhere quiet.

I see what you did there. I laughed too much.

Regardless, this is terrible. I would say I hope the victim gets their compensation, but you can't compensate for a horrific experience.
21  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Monkees 50th anniversay - new album on: April 29, 2016, 03:49:24 AM
New Single  - She Makes Me Laugh, Written by Rivers Cuomo from Weezer - is out, and is great! Micky on lead, Nez and Tork on backing vocals, and Tork on Banjo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpp-Ry2ZNhY
22  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Explorers Club on: April 23, 2016, 08:24:18 AM
I'm excited for this album. Some good sounds so far, and Wyatt Funderburk, one of the newest members, is a terrific musician. I haven't however actually listened to Freedom Wind...
23  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: ? on: April 23, 2016, 08:21:22 AM
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24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's in the studio on: February 26, 2016, 04:20:45 PM
They HAVE to be making a documentary for Pet Sounds' 50th.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thats Why God Made The Radio Single? on: February 25, 2016, 12:06:48 PM
A: I could probably do a much better job of the needledrop of the TWGMTR instrumental now, or at least Lossless.

B: What I really want is the Isn't It Time Instrumental on the Promo CD. It's never been uploaded anywhere, and sadly the Promo CD goes for more than I'm willing to pay on Discogs.
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