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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love/touring group Christmas album on: July 18, 2018, 01:57:24 PM
How was the show? I'm going to catch it later this week

The show was great. I had only seen them perform once before a few years back but Mike seemed much more confident vocally than the previous show I saw/the 4th of July shows I’ve seen on TV. I swear he sounded 20 years younger. Vintage ’80s/’90s nasal glory in places. And all the band member features were great for the most part. Great energy too.

Wait, so now we are considering Mike's '80s and '90s vocals as his "glory"? From what I remember, a lot of us were happy by the early '00s when Mike finally started toning down the nasality and sounded much better vocally. And while we are at it, at least on Unleash The Love he sounded really rough on his classic leads, like "I Get Around" and such. Though I guess through all the autotune, he sounded good on "Fun Fun Fun" and despite the horrid surrounding production he sounded pretty great on "Do It Again".
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: July 14, 2018, 09:12:13 AM
Heard song from Bob Sled and the Toboggans
“Here We Go”. Not a bad song. Had some good harmonies.

Am I the only person that finds this hilarious! They actually played that piece of sh*t!

By the way, Bruce's Bob Sled group released their only single the same month that "Caroline No" and "Sloop John B" were released. It is amazing that Brian was in a group at the time with a guy who thought in that point in time (post-Rubber Soul, post-British Invasion) that it was a good idea to make a "surfer's going skiing" record to apparently "cash in" on that "trend." And no, I'm not doing a filledeplage homage there, I just don't know what would possess anyone to make such a blatant attempt to cash-in on something that at the same time was so out of style musically by that point. That'd be like me making a new version of "Who Let the Dogs Out" in 2003 and expecting that it was the perfect time for that to hit.

I really do wish somebody could do a really nice, long-form interview with Bruce where he could discuss all these freaking insane projects he's done over the years. Of the all the Beach Boys and their sweet insanity, he seriously holds his own.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The cancelled bonus disc for Made in California on: July 13, 2018, 06:33:56 AM
Speaking of this, what “holy grail” remains for you guys that is left in the vaults? CF 74 was mine for many years and when I heard it on mic it was almost cathartic . I personally want to hear more Brian stuff from the early to mid 70s

Mine probably were "Where Is She?" and the 1974 "California Feelin'" demo. And then the Brian solo version of "In The Back Of My Mind" from 1975. Honestly on "In The Back Of My Mind" I never really expected it cuz at first I wasn't sure it really existed and then I didn't think it'd truly get released. When it got released on the certain versions of No Pier Pressure I couldn't believe it.

As far as now? I don't know. Probably the same as you. But I have to be honest, while there is more early to mid '70s Brian music to be released (like "Spark in the Dark" and "Rooftop Harry") I don't think there are many (if any) more lead vocals available from that era from him (at least those that haven't already been heard by many, like "Awake").

I suppose that if it exists in a recorded form my number one want would be "Just an Imitation" but I honestly don't think that one is around.

Then after that era, I'd love to hear "Boys and Girls", "Sweetie", "Why Didn't I Tell You" and of course any post L.A. (Light Album) stuff from Denny, especially "Labor Day" and any supposed Denny/Christine McVie sessions.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The cancelled bonus disc for Made in California on: July 11, 2018, 09:52:43 AM
People, “game changer” (or whatever equivalent term) means getting the appropriate media attention focused specifically on the wealth of  *unheard* songs/material. To even just start to change perceptions.

Eh, maybe that's your definition. But there have been those saying that this is more important than the members doing more work together or indeed ever touring together again. And it also has a tinge of wanting The Beach Boys to be something different than they are, like these people want the so-called "cool people" to like The Beach Boys instead of just enjoying the music and the story and understanding that Brian, Mike, Carl, Al and even Dennis aren't David Bowie or Bob Dylan or whatever. But to be honest, I'm a guy in my mid-30s and to me it seems that to people around my age and in their 20s and whatnot, The Beach Boys are about equal with so called "cooler" groups from back in the day like The Who or Zep or what have you.

So yeah, while I don't think the vault of unreleased material is the main thing, I do think that promoting the already released catalog is very important, pushing the importance of not only the wonderful '62 to '65 material and Pet Sounds and SMiLE, but also the '67 to '74 era and I think in time even the '75 to '79 or even '85 era, as appreciation for these eras grow as I suspect they will. The vault will help tell the story and keep people interested though.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The cancelled bonus disc for Made in California on: July 11, 2018, 08:32:49 AM
In a discussion last year that initially centered around "Sunshine Tomorrow", Howie Edelson said this:

I don't want to besmirch any other band, but as someone who's quite aware of what's in several other group's vaults, of the "majors" (and I'm not exaggerating), The Beach Boys are the ONLY one where if its unreleased material was finally released, the entire narrative changes and history gets a revamp. The BB's are the only band who can get a 10th life from what they left on the cutting room floor. The Grateful Dead definitely do not have five more "Sugar Magnolia's" tucked away in the vault -- The BB's have 15.

I don't want to speak for Howie, but I sense he was talking more about "Carry Me Home" and more Dennis material, and "Bedroom Tapes" type of material more than alternate session breakdowns and takes for "California Girls" and "Surfin' Safari" and "Fun Fun Fun."

Remember, especially when it comes to the 70s and 80s, there is TONS of stuff we've *never* even heard or maybe even heard *of.*

Maybe I'm just not understanding or getting what is meant by the term "game changer" or changing the narrative. Is it changing the game in terms of the general public opinion, or among hardcore fans of the band?

A few things come to mind. First, would "Made In California" as released with all the previously unheard tracks be considered a game-changer? Did the wealth of outtakes and unheard tracks cause opinions or perceptions to noticeably shift after people heard the set? Or if not, what archival/vault releases without the names "Pet Sounds" or "Smile" had such a game-changing impact outside the diehard fanbase?

(I'd say that '93 box set was indeed a game changer, but I also think the bulk of the reasons why centered around the Smile material)

And I cannot understand where there is appeal to anyone but the most obsessive completists and collector/diehards to hear ANYTHING languishing in the vaults from the late 70's or 80's. The released albums were ignored when they were released, and are still mostly ignored to this day. And I think a lot of it has to do with the songs themselves, and the sounds used in terms of the way they were making records at that time. I don't get the appeal.

And I surely don't see where KTSA or MIU or BB85 outtakes are going to cause a seismic game-changing shift in public opinion. But that's just my take.

You know GF, as much as I sometimes see things differently than you, I do totally agree with you that the term "game changer" for the remaining unreleased material is a bit too much. While I agree with those posters who have said that they think the truly unreleased material would have more effect than raw sessions of "California Girls" or whatever, I still don't think the truly unreleased, unheard titles will be setting even the Pitchfork/Stereogum/NPR type communities ablaze, much less the larger public narrative.

The best case scenario is likely the kind of reception that something like Made In California or Sunshine Tomorrow probably got around a few non-hardcore fans who heard a few things that weren't what they expected from The Beach Boys and it turned them into fans. I think that is possible. But not on a large scale. I personally think reissuing albums like Sunflower, Surf's Up, Holland and even ones like (yes) 15 Big Ones and (yep) L.A. (Light Album) with a decent amount of bonus material would be the smartest way to go. Highlight the actual albums, and the great material that actually made it onto those albums and then supplement it with some unreleased stuff. But no, as great as the unreleased stuff is, I don't think there is anything in the vault that is gonna make releasing Sunflower or Surf's Up or Holland as they are look like a bad idea. But stuff like "Carry Me Home", all of those unreleased 15 Big Ones-era covers and L.A. (Light Album) and Keepin' The Summer Alive outtakes will help complete the picture of what this band is. But I don't think any of it will change the basic picture in the first place like some people think. Maybe I'm wrong and there are more "Please Let Me Wonder" quality things and more even Wild Honey quality albums in the vault. But I suspect it's more like oddities like "Loop de Loop" and the 1970 version of "Back Home" and whatnot. And that's fine with me.

I will say though, as far as Dennis Wilson solo material, there may well be something closer to the so-called "game changers." I think there is a lot of "there" there that we may not know of. And maybe it's that's what these people are speaking of, then maybe I'm with them.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Medley 1981 single on: July 07, 2018, 01:07:06 PM
I was surpised to learn this in this 1985 Record Collector article: “Less well-known is the fact that before Capitol issued the medley, the Beach Boys had themselves attempted to create their own version of the gimmick, re-recording several of their major hits in tandem. This was scrapped when neither the group nor their record company could bear to listen to the results.” What I would give to hear this recording. I don’t wanna wait until 2031!

I wonder if this is really true. The whole article seems on point with their info, but I don't think I'd ever heard that they had ever tried to actually do a true medley recording on their own.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: July 05, 2018, 08:39:59 PM
Alls I know is I'm waiting to hear something by Bob Sled & the Toboggans.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: July 05, 2018, 12:57:46 PM
None of this stuff is a-list material, but I'd probably rather hear Bruce's rendition of "Sealed with a Kiss" than more "Hot Doggers" material.

I actually really kinda liked Bruce and Terry's "Sealed with a Kiss" for whatever reason. Probably the best thing Bruce has done"Disney Girls"? Kinda says a bit about how dire Going Public, California Music and the few Beach Boys tunes he's written since returning to the band have been. But truly, I do like it. And yes I know it's a cover, before anybody says I'm giving him too much credit.

Does strike me as odd that it was released as "The Ripchords" though...

I've always found in interesting (in a nerdy way) that the BBs almost surely must have NOT been aware that the song they were selecting to sing with Ringo, "Back in the USSR", is one of the hand full of songs *without* Ringo on drums on the White Album, having been cut while he had temporarily "left" the band.

I've find that amusing for a while as well. The thought must have went through Ringo's head at some point. It's like having Brian Wilson on as a guest to sing "Kokomo" or "I Can Hear Music" or something.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The cancelled bonus disc for Made in California on: July 02, 2018, 09:01:32 AM
We know that there was a planned bonus disc for MIC which was to include the Brian mono instrumental mix of Child (the 3 ' version) followed by the instrumental track of Little Bird which would show how Brian recycled the chorus into that track.  Do we know what else was to be included on the bonus disc?  Hopefully both tracks will show up on the Friends copyright 50th anniversary release!

Yes! I forgot about reading this in a recent issue of ESQ. Is that where you heard about this as well? I am pretty bummed to see that this version "Child Is Father Of The Man" somehow didn't make either The SMiLE Sessions or Made In California, but I could see, using your logic that it would be sensible to release it alongside an instrumental "Little Bird" as they were planning to on Made In California, instead on a new set.

But yeah, about what else woulda been on this bonus disc? I would love to know! Just instrumentals and alternates? Or maybe something like the last disc on Made In California where alongside the instrumentals and whatnot, you also got stuff like "Where Is She?" and "Barnyard Blues" and others. Hopefully somebody knows...
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: This week in BB History June 25-30 on: June 25, 2018, 01:10:57 PM

This whole "This week in BB History" thing you do is probably my favorite part of this board. You always manage to tease out some minor but super, super interesting tidbits that make visiting this board all the more worth it. If only all this could be collected in book form! And yes, I know of (and own) the tour book, but an overall Badman style book (but obviously much better with your unparalleled research) would be amazing!
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Australia TV Interview...Trouble in Paradise on: June 25, 2018, 06:21:17 AM
Mike understandably fails to mention that perhaps if he hadn't thwarted the Wilson brothers' more progressive musical direction after 1975, iconoclastic as it may have been, in favor of commerciality at all costs, they wouldn't have been so frustrated and felt a need to increasingly turn to hard drugs to escape such a creatively stifling professional situation.

I’m not a Mike apologist, and I hate that he badmouths dead relatives and bandmates, but blaming him for the Wilsons’ drug use is really unfair, in my opinion. 

It certainly didn't help in  Brian's case, as he was less of a "party" guy and more someone who did drugs as a way to escape his turmoil.

Dennis was different, in the sense he WAS a party guy, someone who was always wanting to push things to the extremes.

Denny was a party guy, yeah. But let's also not think that this was the only reason he abused substances as well. Plenty of turmoil is his life as well he was obviously wishing to escape (this being true for many, if not most addicts).
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Australia TV Interview...Trouble in Paradise on: June 18, 2018, 09:12:08 AM
I don't see anything about Brian in the hospital?

There's a video there that elaborates more than the article.

Thanks for pointing that out Amy. Totally didn't notice!
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Australia TV Interview...Trouble in Paradise on: June 18, 2018, 06:16:12 AM
I don't see anything about Brian in the hospital?
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike isn't surfing as much anymore on: June 15, 2018, 06:33:08 AM
I wonder if Bill Jackson joins him.

Does anybody else kinda feel like "Bill Jackson" is a bullshit name made up to describe a person that doesn't exist in a situation that never happened?

Also, does Mike actually surf? The way he hobbles around, I can't see him surfing.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: May 31, 2018, 07:15:04 AM
Problem Child actually isn’t too bad apart from the production!

I like it in the same way that I like "Make It Big" and stuff of that ilk. It's bombastic (yet super smooth in a way) '80s cheese. And I likes me some '80s cheese here and there. Probably explains why I like the Still Cruisin' album.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012 on: May 11, 2018, 06:30:09 AM
I read it. It doesn't really sound like Mike wants a reunion at all.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Royal Philharmonic Orchestra Album PRESS RELEASE on: May 10, 2018, 07:46:10 AM
I love how "Disney Girls" is on here, even though nobody gives a sh*t about it, and I doubt many would put it on a list of 17 Beach Boys songs to be done with orchestra. So Bruce gets a song on here, but not Al.  Roll Eyes
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Something's coming...Stay tuned on: May 10, 2018, 06:14:54 AM
I like how the inserted Brian into the group photo.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Something's coming...Stay tuned on: May 09, 2018, 07:16:58 PM
I'm not excited about this idea at all. I'm an Elvis fan, but i've only listened to a couple of the orchestral Elvis tracks. Yawn.
But for the sake of the argument, should they now have a series of Elvis, Orbison, etc releases backed by an angry punk or metal band?

I hear what you are saying. But my question back would be, why do they have to be backed by anything besides the original backing tracks.

And though I'm not too excited about this project, I will admit one thing, unlike Elvis and Orbison, Brian Wilson, Al Jardine and Mike Love are all alive and here to sign off on such a project. So if they are cool with this coming out, then I suppose it is they who we should be disappointed in if this ends up being a waste of time. And on the other side of the coin, if somehow this works out really well, then they deserve credit.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Something's coming...Stay tuned on: May 09, 2018, 09:28:43 AM
It’s going to be one of those awful orchestral backup albums. They’ve done Elvis, Roy O. and Aretha thus far.

I fear that you're right.

But who knows, maybe I'll like this thing and it'll be a huge seller for the guys. And then they have huge hit and reunite!  Grin
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out?? on: May 09, 2018, 06:14:04 AM
It's still early in the year to hear much about December release-but I won't be surprised if it's download only-  but you never know

The point was I was hoping that it wouldn't just be a throwaway digital only December release, and instead a CD set released around the time Sunshine Tomorrow was.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out?? on: May 08, 2018, 08:45:30 PM
Hey's May 8th. And there's been no 1968 set announced yet by the guys. If memory serves, we had learned about Sunshine Tomorrow already by this point last year. And since nearly every important Beach Boys release except for The SMiLE Sessions in the past 10 years or so has come out right before or during summer, I woulda thought we woulda heard about a 1968 set by now.

Is it possible that there won't be a physical 1968 set, since maybe the last one didn't do so well (I don't know if this is the case, just guessing?) and since Friends was originally issued in stereo and doesn't seem in dire need of a remix. I personally assume that there might be a decent amount of unreleased material from 1968, namely...

"My Little Red Book"
"Untitled #1"
"You're as Cool as You Can Be"
"All I Wanna Do"
"Our Happy Home"
"New Song"

And then of course one would assume there would maybe be new edits of "Old Folks at Home/Ol' Man River" and "Can't Wait Too Long" and then also some revelatory alternate takes and mixes. And maybe if they felt it necessary (and they have the tapes) they coul even put those 1972 re-recordings of Friends material that Brian and friends did (or maybe they save that for a 1972 set). Regardless, while I don't assume that they'd be able to have two discs of material like Sunshine Tomorrow, I do think they could have at least a really nice single disc set with a coherent theme and a good story, just like last year's release.

Anyways, what's everybody think?
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: May 02, 2018, 08:37:53 PM
Update from Brian via Twitter

He looks great here


He surely does. I hope this helps Brian enjoy life even more. And I hope he's here with us for a while still.
24  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Fleetwood Mac drops Lindsey Buckingham from their upcoming tour lineup. on: April 10, 2018, 07:18:19 AM
So anybody kinda feel like the money hungry Mick Fleetwood and Stevie Nicks (the only member who didn't wanna make a new album) are the Mike Love's of Fleetwood Mac world? Now obviously, unlike The Beach Boys, Mick Fleetwood and John McVie indeed should have more say over who's in the band than Lindsey, as Lindsey joined their band, but it is interesting that when Stevie wanted to do her little solo album and tour with whoever they would hold up the works for her. But if Lindsey wanted to do something similar (which is what this seems like), well they have no time for him. Seems like a double standard.

And then you got Stevie who would basically badmouth Lindsey in every interview and who basically refused to work on new Fleetwood Mac material with him since 2003's Say You Will. I suppose we could mention that she added a 40 year old song and a few vocals to their 2013 EP entitled Extended Play, but it's obvious that we got that and the Lindsey Buckingham/Christine McVie album instead of a full length Fleetwood Mac album because Stevie didn't wanna work with Lindsey. Which is her right, just as Mike doesn't have to work with Brian and Al. But just like Mike, instead of admitting she just didn't wanna work with Lindsey, she would say things in interviews like "nobody buys albums anymore so why should we make new albums" while, you know, putting on new solo albums and thus making a joke of her entire point.

Now, unlike Brian and Al's last very short tenure in the touring Beach Boys group, Lindsey had been playing with the Mac since 1997, and if you haven't seen him with them by now, you can't say you didn't have a chance. But for those who might just be getting into the group and wanted to see the Rumours five, well that opportunity is gone for now. But here's hoping that as a Buckingham fan that on his next tours he will dig deeper into his catalog and play some deeper cuts from Tusk, Tango In The Night, Law and Order and Go Insane.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: This Week in BB History April 2 to 12 on: April 03, 2018, 12:55:41 PM
Apr 4 1972-Brian held a session to record a version of the Crazy Elephant tune “Gimme, Gimme Good Lovin.”   

Surprised nobody else noticed this. I'd seen this listed before on a sessions site, and figured it was either a cover of "Gimme Some Lovin'" or Brian and David Sandler's medley of "Baby I Need Your Lovin'" and "Gimme Some Lovin'" that he apparently proposed to The Beach Boys.

So if it was indeed "Gimme Gimme Good Lovin'" that would mean that Brian worked on both that tune and that other medley, right?

Or is this all still a confused mess?
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