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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Can \ on: January 19, 2018, 09:15:57 AM
A previous member here, Sheriff John Stone, admitted to taking some lunatic stance on the Mike vs Brian feud by “faking” to hate Melinda and Brian for years and years to prove a point to the Brianistas (something really nuts like that). Anyways, his posts caused a ton of pointless arguing and divisiveness here, all because he was supposedly trying to create a balance. Point being, it’s not healthy for the board if you take extreme stances to create a balance. Just tell it how it was/is without any exaggeration and the board will be better for it.

Yeah I remember when he "revealed" all this to me. And while I understand that it would be annoying to see somebody you dig being sh*t on (sometimes unfairly), I don't understand why disparaging Brian and basically doing everything but calling him an invalid made up for it. SJS is probably one of the least respectful people of Brian's situation that I have ever dealt with online, and that is really saying something.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian at Hawthorne HS recently on: January 19, 2018, 06:14:12 AM
Maybe Tommy Wiseau or Ontor Pertwast? Evil

Who mention me?

If you want, I make big Hollywood movie about Brian Wilson.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Jardine - 2018 Tour Thread - Postcards Storytellers Tour on: January 18, 2018, 06:56:02 PM
Man I sure hope Al brings this show to Florida.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Most cringeworthy screenshot from any BBs music video? on: January 17, 2018, 07:07:02 AM
Funny thing about this picture.  It's probably one of the few times in the late 80s where Mike is the LEAST ridiculous looking one in the picture. 

Mike actually looks 80s cool.  Shocked Huh Smiley
There's such thing as "80s cool"? That's funny, given it's the worst decade fashion-wise.

I don't know.   I think the 1990s gave us guys wearing baggy jeans past their crotch with oversized tee shirts and backwards / sideways caps.   I'll take those bright 80s neons over that any day of the week. 

Nothing racialized about that. Nothing at all.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Can \ on: January 12, 2018, 06:38:35 PM
Well, I actually think Summer of Love is fun and I love the drum sounds on the album. Why do some people want everything to sound like Pet Sounds or Sunflower? SIP is not a masterpiece, nor it's meant to sound like one. It's just a corny, cheesy and (partly) horrible album. I can't stand that Forever cover. But overall the album has it's charm - and those cheesy drums are a huge part of it.

Didja know that Mike's title for the follow-up album was seriously Masterpiece? It seems our friend Dr. Michael Edward Love thought he was making some important music.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The very last time certain instruments were played on BB tracks? on: January 10, 2018, 02:10:04 PM
Dennis would have BATTERED an electric drum kit!

Agreed. I kinda wonder if his music might have adapted a slightly more 1980s electronic edge at some point.

I think I've written this before, but I think it's fair to say that Dennis was the "trendiest" or most "of the times" Beach Boy. I haven't a doubt that if he was still trying to make new music he woulda been up to his neck in synths and whatnot. I could even have seen him going down the moody, synthy road of a Depeche Mode or a Spandau Ballet. "Big", somewhat synthetic sounding music with moody vocals. I could see it.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: If you were to make a 1CD career-spanning BB best of... on: January 03, 2018, 11:32:08 AM
Endless summer and PS are still the best way to start a 1CD collection.

Interesting that your write this SMiLE Brian, because a few weeks ago I thought about starting a thread talking about how great the track selection on Endless Summer was. If you could squeeze "Please Let Me Wonder" and "Lonely Sea" onto there, I think it would make a nearly perfect overview of their '62 thru '65 era.

Also, I would say that a great trio of purchases would be Pet Sounds, Endless Summer and Classics selected by Brian Wilson. Having all these titles in one's collection what give you Brian's best album, a large chunk of their greatest early work, and then later classics like "Heroes And Villains", "Surf's Up", "'Til I Die", "This Whole World" and others. However, only having those three discs also means you miss out on some of my very favorites like "Please Let Me Wonder", "Good Timin'" and "Cool, Cool Water" so I suppose ultimately things always get tricky.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: '70s Beach Boys Songs Brian Didn't Sing On on: December 30, 2017, 06:09:35 AM

I'm pretty sure in Gaines it was said that Brian was wanted for the lead on "Good Timin'" in 1978.

Actually, it was me - and I got it straight from Tom Murphy...here is exactly what he wrote to me: "We were hoping Brian would sing the lead on 'Good Timin''.  But time ran out.  So Carl and I did the vocal at Britannia Studio, where we did a lot of the backing vocals for the whole record.  It was bittersweet for me; Carl sang HEAVENLY but we both wished it was Brian."


My apologies c-man! You are the man and I want you to get all credit you are due!
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: '70s Beach Boys Songs Brian Didn't Sing On on: December 29, 2017, 03:08:27 PM
I remember reading somewhere, fairly recent, that they were hoping for Brian to sing the lead on "Good Timin'," but he wasn't available in time and they had to put it out as is.  I may be mixing this up with "Goin' On" though.  Does this ring a bell with anyone?

It seems tailor made for Carl's voice.

The thing I've noticed with "Good Timin'" is that it sounds deceptively like a really simple lead vocal to perform. It doesn't require a huge range or anything. But I think it's a slightly difficult lead to pull off, because it's all about the tone and pulling off rolling the last word of each verse.

Witness the fact that Mike's sole stab at the lead in '79 is pretty weak and wonky, and really even Brian's stabs at it on his solo tours or C50 have strangely always sounded more wonky than one would think it should. Dennis's attempts in '79 were okay I suppose.

I think they could have coaxed a good lead out of Brian during the '78 Criteria sessions if he had been able to bring his insanely ultra-smooth "MIU" voice (the "Matchpoint of Our Love" voice), but he was so relatively low key and down during the LA sessions that maybe it just wouldn't have happened even if they had wanted it. And I honestly have no idea if they ever eyed Brian for the lead on that one.

I'm pretty sure in Gaines it was said that Brian was wanted for the lead on "Good Timin'" in 1978. However, I wonder about this as obviously in 1974 you had Brian working on the song at Caribou with Carl doing the lead. So if it was planned to have a Brian lead, why was Carl doing it then?

But yeah, I do wonder if it would've been as commercial as it is if it would've had a circa 1978 Brian lead vocal. The vocals from around the time of the L.A. (Light Album) vary. I thought he sounded pretty nice and clear on "California Feelin'" while he sounded pretty rough on the demo for "I'm Begging You Please"  and just incredibly rugged on "Drip Drop" so I'm unsure as to how he would've sounded. I assume they coulda done something really nice all things considered, but I guess we will never know.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: So in the fall of 1980 Bob Dylan was rehearsing for his next tour... on: December 28, 2017, 11:44:01 AM
This is fascinating. Was this version ever released? I was trying to extrapolate that information from your post but I was not quite able to.

Ha. No, it hasn't been released yet. I admit I got a little flowery with the writing.

But anyway it was discussed in a book on Dylan's "Gospel Years" which goes into detail about that whole era. I don't see it getting a release any time soon with so many other prospective bootleg series releases to come, like something possibly based the Blood on the Tracks album sessions and another maybe on the Infidels album sessions. So maybe in 2030 when the 50 year copyright comes up?

Very cool. Does the book speak of there being existing recordings of this?

Well, there are recordings featured on the new Dylan set from this group of rehearsals, so I'd say it's 99 percent likely there may not only be one, but multiple recordings. From reading the book it seems like the author, Clinton Heylin, was able to listen to these rehearsal tapes and then reported back on their contents in his book.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: So in the fall of 1980 Bob Dylan was rehearsing for his next tour... on: December 28, 2017, 09:55:17 AM
This is fascinating. Was this version ever released? I was trying to extrapolate that information from your post but I was not quite able to.

Ha. No, it hasn't been released yet. I admit I got a little flowery with the writing.

But anyway it was discussed in a book on Dylan's "Gospel Years" which goes into detail about that whole era. I don't see it getting a release any time soon with so many other prospective bootleg series releases to come, like something possibly based the Blood on the Tracks album sessions and another maybe on the Infidels album sessions. So maybe in 2030 when the 50 year copyright comes up?
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / So in the fall of 1980 Bob Dylan was rehearsing for his next tour... on: December 28, 2017, 08:02:52 AM
....and wouldn't you believe it that amongst the new material, old material and his newer Gospel material was quite a few attempts at the newly released Wilson/Love tune entitled "Goin' On"! For whatever reason, after a few tours of Dylan only doing his latest Gospel material from his Slow Train Coming and Saved albums, along with a few original tunes which didn't get released until 2017, he decided it was time to include some pre-Slow Train Coming classics like "Mr. Tambourine Man" and  "Girl from the North Country" along with some pretty random covers.

So along with stuff like "Sweet Caroline" and "Rainbow Connection" (!) he ran through "Goin' On" apparently quite a few times. So it's not like it was a quick strum-through or something. It seems to me that maybe Dylan was actually considering bringing this cover tune to the stage.

Kinda nutty stuff if you ask me.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: '70s Beach Boys Songs Brian Didn't Sing On on: December 26, 2017, 12:13:37 PM

Assuming Al's "Looking Down the Coast" was recorded the LA sessions, Brian is definitely on that singing the lead on the opening lines.

I'm not sure of the provenance of the few Brian lead lines of the "MIC" version of the '78 version "California Feelin'", but if those lines are from those sessions, then that's another Brian bit from "LA."

Are "Calendar Girl" and "I'm Begging You Please" also from the LA sessions?


"Looking Down The Coast" was recorded in the summer of '78, so yes - Light Album era.
Yes, Brian's lead lines on the MIC version of "California Feelin'" do indeed come from the late August/early September '78 Criteria sessions.
And, yes - "Calendar Girl" comes from Criteria, as well - as for "Beggin' You Please": Brian's piano/vocal demo is on the Criteria rough mix reel, although we can't say for sure that's where he recorded it. A piano/electric piano/bass/drums basic track was laid down in L.A. for L.A., but no vocals were added and so it remains unfinished.

Hey there c-man, just making sure you didn't miss my questions in the mix...

Hey there c-man, I got a few questions for you...if you choose not to answer I understand but there's a few tidbits I've been wondering about.

First, did we ever get true documentation of what exactly Brian does on L.A. (Light Album)? He plays piano on "Good Timin'" and "Shortenin' Bread" right? Does he appear vocally on the album at all? I know it's been rumored that he's on "Angel Come Home", and I feel like I may hear it, but maybe not.

Do we know the approximate date of the 1975 studio recording of "In the Back of My Mind" as featured on the various versions of No Pier Pressure?

Also, what was the lineup for "Da Doo Ron Ron" as featured on Made In California?

And lastly since this one's been bugging me, in the Ultimate Christmas booklet it says "Winter Symphony" was originally tracked in either 1975 or 1976. Did we ever get a more exact date on that one?
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: '70s Beach Boys Songs Brian Didn't Sing On on: December 26, 2017, 08:28:18 AM
Hey there c-man, I got a few questions for you...if you choose not to answer I understand but there's a few tidbits I've been wondering about.

First, did we ever get true documentation of what exactly Brian does on L.A. (Light Album)? He plays piano on "Good Timin'" and "Shortenin' Bread" right? Does he appear vocally on the album at all? I know it's been rumored that he's on "Angel Come Home", and I feel like I may hear it, but maybe not.

Do we know the approximate date of the 1975 studio recording of "In the Back of My Mind" as featured on the various versions of No Pier Pressure?

Also, what was the lineup for "Da Doo Ron Ron" as featured on Made In California?

And lastly since this one's been bugging me, in the Ultimate Christmas booklet it says "Winter Symphony" was originally tracked in either 1975 or 1976. Did we ever get a more exact date on that one?
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who was the most spiritual of the Beach Boys? on: December 15, 2017, 07:33:15 AM
I think Brian is a guy who, in his inspired musical moments, has reached towards the heavens, sometimes he's gotten there, other times he has come very close. But he also has an agitated side to him - agitation, I am guessing, born out of the inability to sustain those occasional heavenly moments.

There is a very potent element to this notion. Maybe it is as much a pressure to repeat those moments as it is an inability to sustain them, as in having the burden of expectation and anticipation that such "divine inspiration" to use a heavy term can just be called on demand and applied to whatever is the next project being undertaken. It's a burden which a lot of musical artists have fallen victim to and which has led to some devastating results when the pursuit of such inspiration combined with the pressure to replicate them as if they're ordering fast food from a menu becomes a hurdle that cannot be leapt over.

Brian is the guy who - 40 years after the fact - said to the effect of "how do you top Good Vibrations? You don't." Yet look at how many wanted him and expected him to do just that. Even in that 1976 TV special, McCartney is there at Brian's birthday celebration saying "Brian, when are you going to give us another Pet Sounds?"...then in the mid-90's you had a label asking for Pet Sounds part 2...and the whole nature of divine inspiration (or just everyday run-of-the-mill sparks of creative juice and inspiration) is that you can try methods to facilitate it, but the very nature of inspiration is random and filled with chance. You cannot order it off a menu.

And sometimes that inspiration creates something so personal, so unique, and so definitive and strong that being asked to replicate it on demand can be taken as an insult, and the expectations that such inspiring works will flow in succession can cause that agitation that can lead to either a radical shift in scope and design (as with Smiley Smile and Wild Honey, perhaps?) or a complete creative shut-down as has happened with any number of artists, authors, musicians, and the like.

This may be one reason why for me as a fan, I would selfishly love to see something else presented around "Smile", but when BWPS did come out it was done at exactly the right moment with the right people and it had the effect which was enough to say Ok, it's been done, let's move on to something else...and not try to recreate what was a truly unique experience in time.

Trying to recreate divine inspiration is a fool's errand, and expecting someone to recreate it is as destructive as it is naive.

And keep in mind this is the same Brian Wilson who has often said "Music is God's voice" and who considers music and the creation of music as a spiritual element and experience. The highest forms of that inspiration cannot be recreated on demand.

Good thread, in that it's impossible to answer - but I love the comment about attempting to create and recreate those magical/spiritual moments - and they are just moments that come when they do.

Brian one time tried to impress on me how much the "sense of longing" was important to his music.  Like everything else, I sort of got it, and get more of it at different times, and clearly Dennis knew it immediately, as noted in a post above.

Another moment was not long after Carl died (like GF in some of his previous posts, I probably noted this before somewhere), I mentioned that Carl was his "Angel Voice."  Brian's face lit up and he said, "yes, YES!"  Yeah, I hate when people try to paint Carl as a saint.  He was far too funny - but he gave spirituality quite a voice.

Al seems to really have gotten the connection to the earth and sky, and has remained a good man, connected to that energy, maintaining and voicing it.

Mike, I think, is doing the best he can with the Buddy/Murry heritage and temperament.  I applaud the fact that he tries, until $$ are involved.  I hope he can get past that in this lifetime, since he seems to believe in reincarnation.  Then he could be amazing in a future life.

Brian spoke so often in metaphors that I think he spends as much time as possible examining all aspects of spirituality and creativity.  Some things he said didn't give me that "aha" moment until decades later when it was in my face.  I'm not alone in that experience of him.

And let's not forget that doctors did a study in the late 2000's regarding what music actually healed people, including all genres.  "Whistle In" was the most effective.  Brian wrote it, all of them sang it, so...

Today?  Brian will enjoy his life and who he is (as he should) and if inspiration hits again, we'll hear it.

I once mentioned to a brilliant writer, after I'd studied many cultures, that Brian would have been a shaman in many of them: the psychological break/crisis, the creative brilliance and the healing ability.  He actually liked the idea before he was sidetracked by an overwhelming job.

If anyone can tell me what spirituality is, I'd appreciate the answer.  I think it's different for all of us.  We get different aspects of it at different times.  

Each guy was a part of the whole that is America's Band.  It's the creative version and the perfect reflection of the US in the late 20th/early 21st century, in all of it's contexts - the amazing, generous heights and the disturbing lows.  I'd throw in a little Marvin Gaye while I was at it, though, along with James Brown and Tina Turner.

Quite a post Debbie.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 2017 copyright extension release details? on: December 09, 2017, 10:29:40 PM
The version of Barbara Ann here is freaking awesome...sounds like something from the White Album

Yeah! My first thought was, "they could have had ANOTHER hit with this!" LOL
I was thinking "no way can this be 1967...someone spliced something in from 1977" the first two times I heard it LOL
The prototype for Love You was in 1967! Cool

Yeah pretty much
Funny how AGD's every "theory: about the BBs has been proven wrong with these releases.... Roll Eyes

You gotta explain this one to me...
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 2017 copyright extension release details? on: December 08, 2017, 12:25:22 PM
So what's everybody think about "Tune L"? I personally was pretty impressed. A nice little rocker from Dennis that honestly sounds like it woulda fit in with the early '70s in my opinion.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 2017 copyright extension release details? on: December 07, 2017, 06:14:34 AM
Holy crap guys....

That is Dennis' "Tune L" listed right there! I am now even MORE excited!
19  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Pet Sounds Forum on: December 03, 2017, 07:59:14 PM
Perhaps my banning should be looked at anew? I was treated pretty shabbily with little-to-no communication. I'm sure the powers-that-be over there will push against it but I think it'd be fair.
I'll ask about it, but don't expect much.
Wow. You are Dick Rising! I didn't know that.

And, yeah, I'm willing to discuss Jim's ban. Plus Bob Belcher's.

I'm not expecting anything. I got out of line once I felt like I wasn't be fairly treated by the moderators, when it seemed there were rules for the AGDs and Mott's of the world, and the homophobes and misogynists, and then rules for "the others." I do realize I went over the line after and things went haywire. But I do thank you, Watamushi and Dick Rising!
20  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Pet Sounds Forum on: December 03, 2017, 11:02:02 AM
Perhaps my banning should be looked at anew? I was treated pretty shabbily with little-to-no communication. I'm sure the powers-that-be over there will push against it but I think it'd be fair.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What did the beach boys do better than the beatles? on: December 02, 2017, 08:41:25 AM
Everything?

Nothing? ... Maybe somewhere in between?

It's interesting to think about, but I disagree with most that has been written in this thread. Dennis was cooler, because John was less cool at times? Dennis had his uncool moments (or years) too. Drop George Martin from the Beatles equation? Okay, are we dropping the wrecking crew too? To say Brian did more for the BBs than any individual Beatle did for the Beatles doesn't speak to what one group did better than the other. The only memorable solo Beatle songs are 'Band On The Run', 'My Sweet Lord', and 'Imagine'? Gee, shall we apply this strict standard to the BBs later material? Christmas music? We can do this all day, the BBs were better at everything the Beatles didn't attempt to do, and the Beatles were better at things the BBs didn't attempt. Mike is more spiritual than George? How many 'My Sweet Lord's did he write?

Sorry if that sounds harsh. Just didn't seem balanced enough for me.

I'm with ya for the most part B.E.

And once again, why the need in our Beach Boys fan circles to always compare to The Beatles? They are both freaking amazing gifts to my life and that's all I know.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: December 02, 2017, 08:39:40 AM
You know, after a few weeks of listening to the album, I must admit...

It's just not that good. I really did want to like it. And don't get me wrong. There are a few songs I kinda liked. "Cool Head, Warm Heart", "I Don't Wanna Know", "Too Cruel", "Daybreak Over The Ocean", maybe even "Getcha Back." There's even a tune or two on the second disc that I really like, but I ain't gonna say the title, cuz I'll lose what little credibility I have left in this community if I do.

But besides that stuff, the rest is mostly fuckin' dire. And I realized it after listening to some really classic material by great artists. Most of the stuff on Mike's album is just not good music and sometimes you need a refresher to remember what good music really is. Indeed the same thing happens to me when I get a little too deep into listening to an artist's outtakes collections. Usually there are good reasons why artists choose to release something and leave other things unfinished or on the cutting room floor. Now obviously, SMiLE and a heck of a lot of Bob Dylan prove that thesis wrong, but a lot of the time, it's true.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 2017 copyright extension release details? on: December 01, 2017, 11:04:38 PM
From Lee's post on PSF:

According to the new winter edition of Endless Summer Quarterly, published today:

Sunshine Tomorrow 2 - 29 additional tracks from the Smiley Smile sessions, the Lei'd in Hawaii Wally Heider Studio sessions, and the Wild Honey sessions, including the unreleased "Good News"
Live Sunshine - 109 performances from 7 shows in 5 states during the 1967 tour

Now this is some very exciting stuff.

'Specially excited to hear "Good News" though obviously it's apparently not much.

Regardless, awesome to hear what else there was from these albums.
24  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Pet Sounds Forum on: November 30, 2017, 11:54:37 AM
I'm not sure where this question goes, so I'll plop it down here. Has AGD reviewed Mike's new album, or commented on it in any detailed fashion?

I recall pretty blunt reviews of many a BW album, so I'm curious why I haven't been able to find anything on Mike's album. I may just be missing it.

I wonder why that is? Does he enjoy disc 2 of Mike's new album? Why no on the record comments about the album? Hmm.


Notice how Doe didn't answer a bit of the message directed at him?



Sure is odd.
25  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Pet Sounds Forum on: November 30, 2017, 09:11:39 AM
Who the hell is Bob Belcher?

A character off of the show Bob's Burgers,  and apparently a member here

I love Bob's Burgers. I know that Bob Belcher. But whoever it is on PSF....well??

That wasn't me over at PSF. I got booted. And I think it's hilarious that I am occupying space in their heads, rent free!
  You got booted?! What for?!

I think you're being a goof on this Billy, but I got booted for being "argumentative and confrontational" or something like that, which I think is code for "don't try to make people like Cam and AGD actually have to put their money where their mouth is and answer things straight up."
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