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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: Today at 09:13:15 AM
So I lived with the album long enough that I'd like to give a few thoughts...

I actually think the first seven songs are actually pretty solid. Mike's vocals aren't his best but they aren't horrible. He sounds raspy and a little pinched at time, but then again, he is 76 years old now. Overall, I'd have to say the best tunes are "Cool Head, Warm Heart", "All The Love In Paris", "I Don't Wanna Know" and "Too Cruel." All of them are pretty much just pure pop and all the better for it. And I'll even say that while "Cool Head, Warm Heart" and "All The Love In Paris" work within a Beach Boys framework, I don't think "Too Cruel" or "I Don't Wanna Know" really would fit in on a Beach Boys album, which is testament to Mike for using this solo album to do things he wouldn't do with the band.

The second half of the album is where things really hit the shitter in my opinion. For a while I thought I could deal with "Pisces Brothers", but now it's finally just gotten to me, Mike calling George Harrison his "brother".....yuck. The title track, "Unleash The Love", I just can't. This is the kinda crap you hear on some cheaply made "inspirational" video to join some creepy cult. The lyric is just so bland and the sentiment is just tough to buy coming from a massive litigious sh*t-talker. I think "Ram Raj" has been incredibly overrated even on this board. I get that it's different than what you'd expect of Mike, but that still don't mean it's good. The lyric is stilted and the melody boring. The other few final songs on the album all the follow the formula of some shitty forgotten adult contemporary album released by some asshole in 1992 and forgotten.

The second disc, I'm not as rough on as some, but I will say that even as a person who doesn't freak out the second he hears autotune, I couldn't believe how much autotune some of the songs on this disc were slathered in. I will also say that I was surprised that the instrumentation on everything on disc two besides "Do It Again" and "Brian's Back" was exactly as you'd expect it to sound. I kinda thought after hearing Mike's "update" of "Do It Again" that at least there would be certain production flourishes that would differentiate the Unleash The Love recordings of these songs from The Beach Boys versions, but alas they are just...there.

Also, yeah "Wild Honey", it's good. John Cowsill does sound great on it. But as with most of the second disc and "Daybreak Over The Ocean" and "Getcha Back" from the first disc, what's the point? Who cares? Who needs John Cowsill doing a Blondie Chaplin impression on a Mike Love solo album? He's just a touring musician.

Lastly, the overall sound and presentation and everything: amateurish. The production is a big sticking point. Supposedly produced by the guy who did the soundtrack to a big '80s movie I couldn't believe who demo-like the recordings sound, and how off the vocals sound. Say what you will about Joe Thomas, but even if he does like autotune, it's used smoothly. On this stuff, it is not. And let's also say it's pretty obvious that Mike doesn't have much new material. Without even touching the second disc, we know that from disc one you have "Daybreak Over The Ocean", "I Don't Wanna Know", "Too Cruel" and  "Crescent Moon" which all originate from the '70s while "Getcha Back" hails from the '80s and I'm pretty sure "Unleash The Love" comes from the '90s. And unsurprisingly, most of these are the best songs on the disc, except "Cool Head, Warm Heart" which I admit is one of Mike's best songs and recordings.

If anything this is just more proof Mike works best within a band framework, having to only provide lyrics here and there and sometimes a wholly original tune. But....we know he passed a chance for that by...
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 19, 2017, 07:13:41 PM
I'm gonna give my take in a bit (as if anybody cares) but first...

It's bloody awful. People who enjoy this shite are optimistic to a fault or just insane. The sooner this man gives up on music the better imo.


Also did Mike Love drag Carl Wilsons legacy through the dirt by having his vocals hijacket from Brian's Back? Brian's Back was never much of a tune, but reusing his vocal like that borders on unethical in its poor taste.

I don't think it's unethical. Was what Paul, George and Ringo did with John's recordings for "Free As A Bird" and "Real Love" unethical? I don't so. They wanted to record new material with John again and that was the best way it could be done. Also, it's fair to point out that Brian and Al also used Carl Wilson vocals on their projects which, when recorded, probably weren't intended for the project they ended up a part of. In Brian's case, you have "Soul Searchin'" which Carl obviously recorded under the impression that it was a Beach Boys tune, probably having no idea it would end up (sans Mike, Al, Bruce and Matt's vocals) on a Brian solo album. And while I'll give Al a pass on "Don't Fight the Sea", I think it's arguable whether Carl woulda been cool with the vocal that Al used on the three released versions of "Waves of Love". The vocal kinda seems demo-like, and I'm pretty sure it was recorded at a Beach Boys soundcheck.

In Mike's case, Carl did indeed record his vocal for the release of "Brian's Back" on what I presume to be the First Love album. And now that Mike is getting the song out on a solo album, he used Carl's vocal. Not anything wrong with that, right? Now the thing that does kinda confuse me is the fact that the 1978 (I think?) solo recording was already released on the Endless Harmony Soundtrack with an alternate mix appearing on Made In California. With the same Carl vocal every time as far as I know.

Personally I kinda thought the version with Christian Love instead doing Carl's part was kinda nice, and I think that would have been a better choice for Mike's album. However, apparently Mike has some kinda beef with his son which lead him to remove his lead vocal from two songs ("I Don't Wanna Know" and "Too Cruel"), so perhaps the lack of Christian on "Brian's Back" is caused by the same.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 14, 2017, 04:21:58 PM

Back to Mike's album, I'm curious why he put everything in the lap of Michael Lloyd instead of just using the Paul Fauerso stuff from 2004. And why have other guest vocalists, but scrub the Christian Love leads from circa 2004?
 

I wonder if Mike and Christian had a falling out? Being as he not only left his dad's band, but was wiped from recordings, it would seem a bit odd for that to speak of a great, happy relationship. Could be wrong of course.

It is curious, especially seeing as the uber-talented internet daddy defender Ambha Love is appearing on the album doing a lead or co-lead on two tracks.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 11, 2017, 09:30:38 AM
Just thinking that it is unfortunate that all the bad feelings from the last few pages are in a topic with 'Unleash the Love' in the subject line.

Yeah, the irony is palpable

Yeah, cuz the guy releasing the album is just all about "unleashing the love" himself too.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 10, 2017, 11:09:51 AM
We saw Mike's *blue* Corvette hat in the last photo, and now we have full confirmation from reliable sources: The *red* Corvette hat has made an appearance.....



Gawd he's a doucher.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 10, 2017, 10:19:54 AM
Once again, if he's so thin-skinned that he can't understand why interjecting Donald Trump into the forum wasn't a good idea, well we don't need him here.

GF may be the greatest guy ever, but if he's gonna be as nitpicky and outright unfair about segments of our favorite band, I think possibly not being in the position of moderator might be in the cards.

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I'm going to discuss this with Billy.

Jim, it's not your call to post that about anyone - let alone one of the best honored guests this forum has as a member who posts *amazing* firsthand information and technical knowledge to the board - no matter what you think of them or their opinions. It's either pure arrogance, or a desire to want to control things and target people who you don't like, don't agree with, or just feel like going after for the hell of it, but this behavior will not stand on this forum.

How dare you or anyone tell another board member, an honored guest in this case, that "we don't need him here"? The pure arrogance is off the charts. Whether or not you think it's "in the cards" for me to be a moderator, right now the moderators are holding an aces high straight and you just threw a pair of deuces.

For the record - If the ban of RunnersDialZero is still bugging you two years later, that was explained to you in an exchange we had off the board. Two years ago. Three strikes and several aliases later - he was out. As a person you used to interact with a few boards ago was fond of saying: "Deal with it." Get over it.

Jim, you seriously need to chill out and let this personal stuff go, whether it's Desper, me, or the next person you think you'd like to see leave or get knocked down a few pegs.

Bottom line: It's not your call. And you need to seriously consider the difference between debating opinions (which is what this place is for) and taking personal shots at people whose opinions you don't agree with or don't even care to see expressed.



OK, Ima try to go thru this as thoroughly as possible.

First off, about Desper. Are we lucky that he's not only still alive and in good health, but that he also shares war stories with us?



However, he did post a BLATANTLY racist and xenophobic video on this website and I don't remember a peep from the moderators. That was bothersome. He then interjected politics (mind you, at the height of the presidential election season) for some tenuous bullshit reason cuz he was excited about going to a Trump rally or something. But was I vicious? Yeah, I'm guessing you could say I was. Was I out of line? I didn't think so, but rab made a convincing argument that perhaps I was. But just as PSF overlooks past misogynist behavior by mikesbeard, racism and xenophobia from former moderator Jason,  general disrespect towards mental illness from Sheriff John Stone and all around disrespectful boorishness from AGD, this board has overlooked some pretty shitty behavior like that of Desper (and yes, probably me...a lot...and a lot of odd behavior from you GF, if you'd admit it) to make examples of someone like runnersdialzero who I thought, though he pushed a few too many buttons brought a really unique point of view to the board. Though of course his unorthodox behavior made him a casualty, people with much more nefarious agendas like Cam Mott and filledeplage skated through the years without a dent.

Now as far, as the "moderators holding a pair of deez nuts...blah blah," that's the kinda stuff that gets me. No need to boast about how you are the moderator and how what you say goes, so fuckin' deal with it, bra! Instead of that, earlier you just could have admitted that sometimes maybe you do get a little overzealous with the anti-Mike stuff and that, yeah I made a point, and that there is so much sh*t on Mike we don't need to make up stuff to hate him for. I can't stand hypocrisy and I feel that I pointed out some minor hypocrisy on your part; and just as I'm used to with, say, Cam or filledaplague, I didn't get you to move an inch, instead you move the goalposts and say, "well Brian's tune is a throwaway" (as if it's your call to say what works of Brian's are worthy or not) and Mike's was aiming for the top of the charts.

Now I'll gladly admit that as much as I can't stand hypocrisy, I myself and guilty of it a heck of a lot. But I'm also open to working on that. Witness for instance me taking what you and rab have said, and internalizing it and admitting I f***ed up. You on the other hand, have never, ever, not once ever given an inch. Hey now, maybe you've just always been right and in every single instance I've been wrong. But I doubt it, it's probably not black or white, it's more likely gray. And that's the reason I got into spats with people like Cam Mott, filldaplague and most of the PSF forum. Not because of what they believe, per se, but because nothing will convince them that maybe things might be two degrees different from what they think.

Lastly, I like you. We probably agree 90 percent of the time. I do think you have an irrational hatred for Mike Love that doesn't allow facts in, but I'm open to being corrected on that. I just want this board to be a better place than that other hunk of sh*t, and I think all of the "correcting the record" and thinking everything is nefarious needs to stop. The nefarious elements are gone, and now we can get to discussing the music, and of course the personalities behind the music, because I know we both agree that stuff like that does matter.  I think it'd just be better to hold all past participants to the same level.

If this post is considering "taking shots at GF" or whatever then so be it. Ban me. But I think I've made it clear I really enjoy this board and this band and I want it to improve. Perhaps this could be extracted to the sandbox for more dialogue.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 09, 2017, 08:31:55 PM
If GF wasn't here, I'd have stepped down a long time ago. Besides being a friend, he has helped me out many a time and this board would not still be here if not for him.

So not addressing the issues I brought up. Thanks. Also, thanks for taking back the accusation that I meant anything derogatory towards you. GF may be the greatest guy ever, but if he's gonna be as nitpicky and outright unfair about segments of our favorite band, I think possibly not being in the position of moderator might be in the cards. But I understand this is falling on deaf ears, so I'll keep quiet from now on and no longer point out hypocrisy (a la the "Still Cruisin'"/Surfin' U.S.A."/"Little Children" spat that began the whole deal).
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 09, 2017, 03:14:00 PM
And lastly, as I said earlier, I think Billy is the example of what a moderator should be. Highly opinionated, but still fair. I don't feel that same fairness and evenhandedness from GF. Just my opinion.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 09, 2017, 03:05:17 PM
I also find it rich that you’re going after Craig because of newbies supposedly asking “what the hell is going on here?” when you yourself chased off Stephen Desper (arguably the greatest eyewitness source of Beach Boys information on this website) because of some dumb f*** Trump hissy fit. More sympathetic to anti-Trumpers I couldn’t be, but talk about pointlessly burning bridges for a forum over something pitifully insignificant. Whereas your beef with Craig lies with him sharing his opinion and information about ON-TOPIC subjects...ok then. I’ll take on-topic discussion any day over tearing down a Beach Boys insider over bullshit politics.

Thank you for the post rab, greatly appreciate!  Grin

Anyways, since I only have a bit of time, but about Desper, I didn't run him off in an anti-Trump hissy-fit. In fact, I didn't think my post or two had anything to do with him leaving. But if you're going to ascribe such a level of importance to me, then I'll take it. But regardless, to remind you, I'll point out that the thread in question had him comparing crowds at Donald Trump events to crowds at Beach Boys events. And it came off to me as very, very tenuous way of connecting his political hero with his former employer. Cuz let's be honest, I could've connected like....umm...."Brian Wilson has full head of hair on his head and SO DOES DONALD TRUMP! ISN'T THAT CRAZY THEY BOTH HAVE A FULL HEAD OF HAIR?!?" and people would've been like, "so what, so does a billion other people."

And that was why I poked it at. It was obvious he was a Trump fan (remember the anti-Mexican/anti-immigrant "Surfin' U.S.A." parody video he had posted months earlier) and in trying to share his excitement he brought it up in a place where there was no room for it. So I gave him the business. Once again, if he's so thin-skinned that he can't understand why interjecting Donald Trump into the forum wasn't a good idea, well we don't need him here.

And to be honest, though I wish I learned a lot from him, some of his memories seem very suspect. For instance, "Good Timin'" (not "Good Time" but "Good Timin'") starting to be tracked in the Sunflower era. Dude stood by this. I very fuckin' highly doubt that. And that's just one off the top of my head. I'm not saying all his info is useless, but even eyewitnesses may not remember things exactly.

So that there is the story. Don't try to act like "ol' sweetdude Spagett hates Desper cuz he's a Republican" and forced him off the board. I don't give a sh*t about his political persuasion. I've bought Mike Love albums before and I'm gonna buy the new one. I think Clint Eastwood is one hell of an actor and director. The list could go on. So at least get the facts straight on that.

Lastly, bummed to see you don't dig me brother. Always enjoyed your posts. Likely still will.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 08, 2017, 01:42:01 PM
"Still Cruisin'" the song was almost a shameless rip-off of "The Mountains High" by Dick & DeeDee, with Mike's nostalgia lyrics on full display. Who was the audience for this? Baby Boomers or kids watching MTV?

Let's not use this one as a diss on Mike. We've got a lot of material on the man, but songs being "shameless rip-offs" is actually something that The Beach Boys do pretty well ("Surfin' U.S.A." with "Sweet Little Sixteen", "At My Window" with "Raspberries, Strawberries", Brian's recent [at the time] "Little Children" with "Mountain of Love") and if anything "Still Cruisin'" is just another Beach Boys adaption. Plus, we can actually be pretty sure to say that Mr. Paul Simon deserves some credit (not literal legal credit, er.....maybe?) for the lyrics of "Still Cruisin'". I mean, "still crazy after all of these years..." and "still cruisin' after all of these years"? Pretty obvious where Dr. Love got the idea.

And secondly, I'm not sure I know many people who know "The Mountain's High" anyway.

Most who grew up with the Beach Boys listening to radio in the 60's knows The Mountain's High. It's the same demographic Mike's nostalgia lyrics in Still Cruisin were targeting, that was who he was singing to.

You didn't respond to my point. Are the other songs "shameless rip-offs" too? Or just "Still Cruisin'"? I don't think any of them should be classified that way, regardless of my opinions on the person who developed the song ("Little Children" and "Surfin' U.S.A." in Brian's case, "At My Window" in Al's case and "Still Cruisin'" in Mike's case).

I didn't respond? Hmm. Now I will.

Apart from Surfin USA which you'll recall the band got sued for and lost the rights to that song to Chuck Berry's publisher from then in the 60's until eternity because it was found to be a rip-off, which of the songs you mentioned had the position which "Still Cruisin'" had as an anticipated hit single with high hopes as the follow up to the number 1 smash hit Kokomo? None of them. Little Children? At My Window? Apples and oranges. And if knowing or not knowing the Dick & DeeDee record is an issue, how many less people have any idea what the tunes you referenced sound like? None of them are known outside the hardcore Beach Boys fanbase. Little Children was a throwaway album cut clocking in at under 2 minutes. None were follow up singles with high hopes being put on them after a #1 single and the band's return after 2 decades to releasing new music on thier original home label.

Did you listen to The Mountain's High? Hear the similarities with Still Cruisin? Still Cruisin was the single Mike delivered to follow up a number 1 hit, and it was a rip of an old 60's hit. The hook is the same, the melody, groove, etc.

Maybe Paul Simon should have tried to sue Mike on those lyrics too. That would have been fun.

Maybe Mike was betting that the target audience who was so into Kokomo and Tom Cruise and Stamos playing conga drums to bikini girls wouldn't know where he lifted the ideas from either, in this case an early 60's hit. I'm actually, seriously surprised Mike (and Terry) wasn't sued for that blatant of a lift. But Mike banks on ignorance among audiences pretty regularly, so it's no surprise if he thought no one would notice.

I think Capitol expected something that at least sounded original, which Kokomo did as a polishing-up of an existing John Phillips song. Instead they got something Mike nicked from an old record. Maybe that's why it stiffed.

My point, guitarfool, was that nothing gets in the way of how much  you despise Mike. If you've paid attention to my posting, I'm not the hugest fan of the guy either. But I also think it's rich that one of the moderators on this board goes out of the way to give the man sh*t. As I've said before, Mike gives us so much material to shake our head at that we don't need to invent more reasons to dislike him.

And while we are it, who are you to call any of Brian's work "throwaway"?

And I know the Dick and Deedee song. I know it sounds similar. Whatever. Just as "whatever" on "At My Window", "Surfin' U.S.A." and "Little Children." The songs are either good or they aren't.

Surfin USA was inexperienced songwriting, Still Cruisin was calculated theft.

Then what was "Little Children"? Or a healthy chunk of Bob Dylan's entire discography? I think hatred of Mike gets in the way of things on here.

Say what?



The f***'s that mean?

I was asking, if "Still Cruisin'" amounts to calculated theft, what do we make of Brian's "Little Children" or a whole lot of Bob Dylan's work, from "Song to Woody" to "Blowin' in the Wind" to Tempest? They all owe major debts to other works, but they still stand on their own.

I think the Pet Sounds Forum is a massive fraudulent piece of garbage where people get away with insinuating some bad sh*t about Brian and his wife. But on the other side I do wish we had moderators on this board who didn't think that they are playing the role Brian Wilson's PR flack, and needlessly throwing insults at Mike Love when Mike is doing nearly the same exact thing that others artists I love (Brian, Bob Dylan, Hendrix, The Specials) have done.

Whoa...I know you are having it out with GF, but are you seriously taking a swipe at me too? Guess you've missed my comments on how I think Looking Back with Love is way better than Imagination  (which it is) , for starters. I call things how I see them, and I'm blunt as hell. Just because I'm a mod doesn't mean I'm not entitled to an opinion. Please look at my post history and show me an example of a needless sh*t at Mike. Now if you're referring to my shots at Andrew G Dumbass,  well, that is based on something personal (him slandering me is just part of it) and has nothing to do with Mike besides him being on the payroll.

But yeah, please show me an example.

Thanks in advance

O sh*t. I did not mean a thing towards you Billy. You are nearly the exact example of what a moderator should be. You are fair, you have your own opinions but don't try to start sh*t, and you explain why you make the decisions you do. Sorry for writing moderators when I only meant one.

And I'm sorry for messing with the thread, but I just think something needs to be done here. I mean, you guys have seen my posts, I'm not a Mike Love apologist. For the most part, I think the man is an egotistical, ungrateful, mean-spirited asshole. But at the same time, I don't think we should have a so-called moderator on this board writing half page screeds against him because of innocuous things like swiping a melody from  the '50s duo Drang and the Ding Dong's. It has scared of people who would offer some interesting thoughts on different subjects. Now granted, I think those people should have thicker skin, but still...to have a moderator constantly going on about "correcting the record" on things where nobody has brought up falsehoods, it just strikes me as overkill, and probably has newbie's saying "the f*** is going on here? What is this guy talking about? I just like The Beach Boys and wanted to know about the songs and the band members, not secret plots to unseat Andrew G. Doe as the President of the Mike Love Fan Club."

I know that this post will go unheeded, but I feel like it needed to be said. I love posting on here, and I think posters like Billy C, CenturyDeprived, SMiLE Brian, HeyJude and a few others keep this place interesting. But I think instead of trying to "out asshole" some of the pricks on the other board, we could try not to get so crazy.

I now await a post from GF about "how I totally don't get it, man."

I know you really want to get back into the Pet Sounds forum, but I don't think another post about how you dislike GF is going to do it.  LOL

You're funny! Grin

Seriously though, it's interesting that my "argumentative posting" or whatever it is gets the moderators on there so upset, yet they allow somebody like the reprehensible Cam Mott continue to play the same game (just in a different direction) and it's allowed. Or for AGD to call names and get away with whatever he wants and he just skates. Sure is odd.

Regardless, I don't dislike GF. I just think his absolute obsessive hatred of Mike Love is doing our board no favors.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 08, 2017, 12:56:40 PM
"Still Cruisin'" the song was almost a shameless rip-off of "The Mountains High" by Dick & DeeDee, with Mike's nostalgia lyrics on full display. Who was the audience for this? Baby Boomers or kids watching MTV?

Let's not use this one as a diss on Mike. We've got a lot of material on the man, but songs being "shameless rip-offs" is actually something that The Beach Boys do pretty well ("Surfin' U.S.A." with "Sweet Little Sixteen", "At My Window" with "Raspberries, Strawberries", Brian's recent [at the time] "Little Children" with "Mountain of Love") and if anything "Still Cruisin'" is just another Beach Boys adaption. Plus, we can actually be pretty sure to say that Mr. Paul Simon deserves some credit (not literal legal credit, er.....maybe?) for the lyrics of "Still Cruisin'". I mean, "still crazy after all of these years..." and "still cruisin' after all of these years"? Pretty obvious where Dr. Love got the idea.

And secondly, I'm not sure I know many people who know "The Mountain's High" anyway.

Most who grew up with the Beach Boys listening to radio in the 60's knows The Mountain's High. It's the same demographic Mike's nostalgia lyrics in Still Cruisin were targeting, that was who he was singing to.

You didn't respond to my point. Are the other songs "shameless rip-offs" too? Or just "Still Cruisin'"? I don't think any of them should be classified that way, regardless of my opinions on the person who developed the song ("Little Children" and "Surfin' U.S.A." in Brian's case, "At My Window" in Al's case and "Still Cruisin'" in Mike's case).

I didn't respond? Hmm. Now I will.

Apart from Surfin USA which you'll recall the band got sued for and lost the rights to that song to Chuck Berry's publisher from then in the 60's until eternity because it was found to be a rip-off, which of the songs you mentioned had the position which "Still Cruisin'" had as an anticipated hit single with high hopes as the follow up to the number 1 smash hit Kokomo? None of them. Little Children? At My Window? Apples and oranges. And if knowing or not knowing the Dick & DeeDee record is an issue, how many less people have any idea what the tunes you referenced sound like? None of them are known outside the hardcore Beach Boys fanbase. Little Children was a throwaway album cut clocking in at under 2 minutes. None were follow up singles with high hopes being put on them after a #1 single and the band's return after 2 decades to releasing new music on thier original home label.

Did you listen to The Mountain's High? Hear the similarities with Still Cruisin? Still Cruisin was the single Mike delivered to follow up a number 1 hit, and it was a rip of an old 60's hit. The hook is the same, the melody, groove, etc.

Maybe Paul Simon should have tried to sue Mike on those lyrics too. That would have been fun.

Maybe Mike was betting that the target audience who was so into Kokomo and Tom Cruise and Stamos playing conga drums to bikini girls wouldn't know where he lifted the ideas from either, in this case an early 60's hit. I'm actually, seriously surprised Mike (and Terry) wasn't sued for that blatant of a lift. But Mike banks on ignorance among audiences pretty regularly, so it's no surprise if he thought no one would notice.

I think Capitol expected something that at least sounded original, which Kokomo did as a polishing-up of an existing John Phillips song. Instead they got something Mike nicked from an old record. Maybe that's why it stiffed.

My point, guitarfool, was that nothing gets in the way of how much  you despise Mike. If you've paid attention to my posting, I'm not the hugest fan of the guy either. But I also think it's rich that one of the moderators on this board goes out of the way to give the man sh*t. As I've said before, Mike gives us so much material to shake our head at that we don't need to invent more reasons to dislike him.

And while we are it, who are you to call any of Brian's work "throwaway"?

And I know the Dick and Deedee song. I know it sounds similar. Whatever. Just as "whatever" on "At My Window", "Surfin' U.S.A." and "Little Children." The songs are either good or they aren't.

Surfin USA was inexperienced songwriting, Still Cruisin was calculated theft.

Then what was "Little Children"? Or a healthy chunk of Bob Dylan's entire discography? I think hatred of Mike gets in the way of things on here.

Say what?



The f***'s that mean?

I was asking, if "Still Cruisin'" amounts to calculated theft, what do we make of Brian's "Little Children" or a whole lot of Bob Dylan's work, from "Song to Woody" to "Blowin' in the Wind" to Tempest? They all owe major debts to other works, but they still stand on their own.

I think the Pet Sounds Forum is a massive fraudulent piece of garbage where people get away with insinuating some bad sh*t about Brian and his wife. But on the other side I do wish we had moderators on this board who didn't think that they are playing the role Brian Wilson's PR flack, and needlessly throwing insults at Mike Love when Mike is doing nearly the same exact thing that others artists I love (Brian, Bob Dylan, Hendrix, The Specials) have done.

Whoa...I know you are having it out with GF, but are you seriously taking a swipe at me too? Guess you've missed my comments on how I think Looking Back with Love is way better than Imagination  (which it is) , for starters. I call things how I see them, and I'm blunt as hell. Just because I'm a mod doesn't mean I'm not entitled to an opinion. Please look at my post history and show me an example of a needless sh*t at Mike. Now if you're referring to my shots at Andrew G Dumbass,  well, that is based on something personal (him slandering me is just part of it) and has nothing to do with Mike besides him being on the payroll.

But yeah, please show me an example.

Thanks in advance

O sh*t. I did not mean a thing towards you Billy. You are nearly the exact example of what a moderator should be. You are fair, you have your own opinions but don't try to start sh*t, and you explain why you make the decisions you do. Sorry for writing moderators when I only meant one.

And I'm sorry for messing with the thread, but I just think something needs to be done here. I mean, you guys have seen my posts, I'm not a Mike Love apologist. For the most part, I think the man is an egotistical, ungrateful, mean-spirited asshole. But at the same time, I don't think we should have a so-called moderator on this board writing half page screeds against him because of innocuous things like swiping a melody from  the '50s duo Drang and the Ding Dong's. It has scared of people who would offer some interesting thoughts on different subjects. Now granted, I think those people should have thicker skin, but still...to have a moderator constantly going on about "correcting the record" on things where nobody has brought up falsehoods, it just strikes me as overkill, and probably has newbie's saying "the f*** is going on here? What is this guy talking about? I just like The Beach Boys and wanted to know about the songs and the band members, not secret plots to unseat Andrew G. Doe as the President of the Mike Love Fan Club."

I know that this post will go unheeded, but I feel like it needed to be said. I love posting on here, and I think posters like Billy C, CenturyDeprived, SMiLE Brian, HeyJude and a few others keep this place interesting. But I think instead of trying to "out asshole" some of the pricks on the other board, we could try not to get so crazy.

I now await a post from GF about "how I totally don't get it, man."
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 08, 2017, 10:00:14 AM
"Still Cruisin'" the song was almost a shameless rip-off of "The Mountains High" by Dick & DeeDee, with Mike's nostalgia lyrics on full display. Who was the audience for this? Baby Boomers or kids watching MTV?

Let's not use this one as a diss on Mike. We've got a lot of material on the man, but songs being "shameless rip-offs" is actually something that The Beach Boys do pretty well ("Surfin' U.S.A." with "Sweet Little Sixteen", "At My Window" with "Raspberries, Strawberries", Brian's recent [at the time] "Little Children" with "Mountain of Love") and if anything "Still Cruisin'" is just another Beach Boys adaption. Plus, we can actually be pretty sure to say that Mr. Paul Simon deserves some credit (not literal legal credit, er.....maybe?) for the lyrics of "Still Cruisin'". I mean, "still crazy after all of these years..." and "still cruisin' after all of these years"? Pretty obvious where Dr. Love got the idea.

And secondly, I'm not sure I know many people who know "The Mountain's High" anyway.

Most who grew up with the Beach Boys listening to radio in the 60's knows The Mountain's High. It's the same demographic Mike's nostalgia lyrics in Still Cruisin were targeting, that was who he was singing to.

You didn't respond to my point. Are the other songs "shameless rip-offs" too? Or just "Still Cruisin'"? I don't think any of them should be classified that way, regardless of my opinions on the person who developed the song ("Little Children" and "Surfin' U.S.A." in Brian's case, "At My Window" in Al's case and "Still Cruisin'" in Mike's case).

I didn't respond? Hmm. Now I will.

Apart from Surfin USA which you'll recall the band got sued for and lost the rights to that song to Chuck Berry's publisher from then in the 60's until eternity because it was found to be a rip-off, which of the songs you mentioned had the position which "Still Cruisin'" had as an anticipated hit single with high hopes as the follow up to the number 1 smash hit Kokomo? None of them. Little Children? At My Window? Apples and oranges. And if knowing or not knowing the Dick & DeeDee record is an issue, how many less people have any idea what the tunes you referenced sound like? None of them are known outside the hardcore Beach Boys fanbase. Little Children was a throwaway album cut clocking in at under 2 minutes. None were follow up singles with high hopes being put on them after a #1 single and the band's return after 2 decades to releasing new music on thier original home label.

Did you listen to The Mountain's High? Hear the similarities with Still Cruisin? Still Cruisin was the single Mike delivered to follow up a number 1 hit, and it was a rip of an old 60's hit. The hook is the same, the melody, groove, etc.

Maybe Paul Simon should have tried to sue Mike on those lyrics too. That would have been fun.

Maybe Mike was betting that the target audience who was so into Kokomo and Tom Cruise and Stamos playing conga drums to bikini girls wouldn't know where he lifted the ideas from either, in this case an early 60's hit. I'm actually, seriously surprised Mike (and Terry) wasn't sued for that blatant of a lift. But Mike banks on ignorance among audiences pretty regularly, so it's no surprise if he thought no one would notice.

I think Capitol expected something that at least sounded original, which Kokomo did as a polishing-up of an existing John Phillips song. Instead they got something Mike nicked from an old record. Maybe that's why it stiffed.

My point, guitarfool, was that nothing gets in the way of how much  you despise Mike. If you've paid attention to my posting, I'm not the hugest fan of the guy either. But I also think it's rich that one of the moderators on this board goes out of the way to give the man sh*t. As I've said before, Mike gives us so much material to shake our head at that we don't need to invent more reasons to dislike him.

And while we are it, who are you to call any of Brian's work "throwaway"?

And I know the Dick and Deedee song. I know it sounds similar. Whatever. Just as "whatever" on "At My Window", "Surfin' U.S.A." and "Little Children." The songs are either good or they aren't.

Surfin USA was inexperienced songwriting, Still Cruisin was calculated theft.

Then what was "Little Children"? Or a healthy chunk of Bob Dylan's entire discography? I think hatred of Mike gets in the way of things on here.

Say what?



The f***'s that mean?

I was asking, if "Still Cruisin'" amounts to calculated theft, what do we make of Brian's "Little Children" or a whole lot of Bob Dylan's work, from "Song to Woody" to "Blowin' in the Wind" to Tempest? They all owe major debts to other works, but they still stand on their own.

I think the Pet Sounds Forum is a massive fraudulent piece of garbage where people get away with insinuating some bad sh*t about Brian and his wife. But on the other side I do wish we had moderators on this board who didn't think that they are playing the role Brian Wilson's PR flack, and needlessly throwing insults at Mike Love when Mike is doing nearly the same exact thing that others artists I love (Brian, Bob Dylan, Hendrix, The Specials) have done.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 07, 2017, 07:19:40 PM
"Still Cruisin'" the song was almost a shameless rip-off of "The Mountains High" by Dick & DeeDee, with Mike's nostalgia lyrics on full display. Who was the audience for this? Baby Boomers or kids watching MTV?

Let's not use this one as a diss on Mike. We've got a lot of material on the man, but songs being "shameless rip-offs" is actually something that The Beach Boys do pretty well ("Surfin' U.S.A." with "Sweet Little Sixteen", "At My Window" with "Raspberries, Strawberries", Brian's recent [at the time] "Little Children" with "Mountain of Love") and if anything "Still Cruisin'" is just another Beach Boys adaption. Plus, we can actually be pretty sure to say that Mr. Paul Simon deserves some credit (not literal legal credit, er.....maybe?) for the lyrics of "Still Cruisin'". I mean, "still crazy after all of these years..." and "still cruisin' after all of these years"? Pretty obvious where Dr. Love got the idea.

And secondly, I'm not sure I know many people who know "The Mountain's High" anyway.

Most who grew up with the Beach Boys listening to radio in the 60's knows The Mountain's High. It's the same demographic Mike's nostalgia lyrics in Still Cruisin were targeting, that was who he was singing to.

You didn't respond to my point. Are the other songs "shameless rip-offs" too? Or just "Still Cruisin'"? I don't think any of them should be classified that way, regardless of my opinions on the person who developed the song ("Little Children" and "Surfin' U.S.A." in Brian's case, "At My Window" in Al's case and "Still Cruisin'" in Mike's case).

I didn't respond? Hmm. Now I will.

Apart from Surfin USA which you'll recall the band got sued for and lost the rights to that song to Chuck Berry's publisher from then in the 60's until eternity because it was found to be a rip-off, which of the songs you mentioned had the position which "Still Cruisin'" had as an anticipated hit single with high hopes as the follow up to the number 1 smash hit Kokomo? None of them. Little Children? At My Window? Apples and oranges. And if knowing or not knowing the Dick & DeeDee record is an issue, how many less people have any idea what the tunes you referenced sound like? None of them are known outside the hardcore Beach Boys fanbase. Little Children was a throwaway album cut clocking in at under 2 minutes. None were follow up singles with high hopes being put on them after a #1 single and the band's return after 2 decades to releasing new music on thier original home label.

Did you listen to The Mountain's High? Hear the similarities with Still Cruisin? Still Cruisin was the single Mike delivered to follow up a number 1 hit, and it was a rip of an old 60's hit. The hook is the same, the melody, groove, etc.

Maybe Paul Simon should have tried to sue Mike on those lyrics too. That would have been fun.

Maybe Mike was betting that the target audience who was so into Kokomo and Tom Cruise and Stamos playing conga drums to bikini girls wouldn't know where he lifted the ideas from either, in this case an early 60's hit. I'm actually, seriously surprised Mike (and Terry) wasn't sued for that blatant of a lift. But Mike banks on ignorance among audiences pretty regularly, so it's no surprise if he thought no one would notice.

I think Capitol expected something that at least sounded original, which Kokomo did as a polishing-up of an existing John Phillips song. Instead they got something Mike nicked from an old record. Maybe that's why it stiffed.

My point, guitarfool, was that nothing gets in the way of how much  you despise Mike. If you've paid attention to my posting, I'm not the hugest fan of the guy either. But I also think it's rich that one of the moderators on this board goes out of the way to give the man sh*t. As I've said before, Mike gives us so much material to shake our head at that we don't need to invent more reasons to dislike him.

And while we are it, who are you to call any of Brian's work "throwaway"?

And I know the Dick and Deedee song. I know it sounds similar. Whatever. Just as "whatever" on "At My Window", "Surfin' U.S.A." and "Little Children." The songs are either good or they aren't.

Surfin USA was inexperienced songwriting, Still Cruisin was calculated theft.

Then what was "Little Children"? Or a healthy chunk of Bob Dylan's entire discography? I think hatred of Mike gets in the way of things on here.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 07, 2017, 02:46:37 PM
My two cents: I think "Still cruisin'" is a very good album and it's new songs all sound like they could've been hits to me. I think "Somewhere near Japan" is a great song and it being about drugs is something that a band that had the status of the Beach Boys totally could've gotten away with. It's not like all succesful pop songs of that time were about fun-in-the-sun. It's beatifully produced and the vocals are very strong.
If you take "Still cruisin'" "Somewhere near Japan" "Island girl" "In my car" "Make it big" and "Kokomo" and then add some other new songs I think it would've made for a very good 80s Beach Boys album. Or maybe "California dreamin'", which didn't appear on any album before, and "Don't fight the sea" and you'd have a cool Beach Boys album that's mostly Mike-central.

I actually like Still Cruisin' as well. Is it anywhere near their best (or even their very good) stuff? No. But every song is enjoyable, though "Wipe Out" is a bit much (this coming from a huge hip-hop fan). Though I do have to say, I do like hearing Brian do the falsetto on there. But regardless, I enjoy "Still Cruisin'", "Island Girl", "Make It Big" and "In My Car" a lot. And I wonder if Brian singing "still cruisin' after all these years" on "In My Car" was merely coincidence or whether that was a purposeful tie in with Mike's song and the album title.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 07, 2017, 12:38:55 PM
"Still Cruisin'" the song was almost a shameless rip-off of "The Mountains High" by Dick & DeeDee, with Mike's nostalgia lyrics on full display. Who was the audience for this? Baby Boomers or kids watching MTV?

Let's not use this one as a diss on Mike. We've got a lot of material on the man, but songs being "shameless rip-offs" is actually something that The Beach Boys do pretty well ("Surfin' U.S.A." with "Sweet Little Sixteen", "At My Window" with "Raspberries, Strawberries", Brian's recent [at the time] "Little Children" with "Mountain of Love") and if anything "Still Cruisin'" is just another Beach Boys adaption. Plus, we can actually be pretty sure to say that Mr. Paul Simon deserves some credit (not literal legal credit, er.....maybe?) for the lyrics of "Still Cruisin'". I mean, "still crazy after all of these years..." and "still cruisin' after all of these years"? Pretty obvious where Dr. Love got the idea.

And secondly, I'm not sure I know many people who know "The Mountain's High" anyway.

Most who grew up with the Beach Boys listening to radio in the 60's knows The Mountain's High. It's the same demographic Mike's nostalgia lyrics in Still Cruisin were targeting, that was who he was singing to.

You didn't respond to my point. Are the other songs "shameless rip-offs" too? Or just "Still Cruisin'"? I don't think any of them should be classified that way, regardless of my opinions on the person who developed the song ("Little Children" and "Surfin' U.S.A." in Brian's case, "At My Window" in Al's case and "Still Cruisin'" in Mike's case).
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 07, 2017, 09:00:01 AM
"Still Cruisin'" the song was almost a shameless rip-off of "The Mountains High" by Dick & DeeDee, with Mike's nostalgia lyrics on full display. Who was the audience for this? Baby Boomers or kids watching MTV?

Let's not use this one as a diss on Mike. We've got a lot of material on the man, but songs being "shameless rip-offs" is actually something that The Beach Boys do pretty well ("Surfin' U.S.A." with "Sweet Little Sixteen", "At My Window" with "Raspberries, Strawberries", Brian's recent [at the time] "Little Children" with "Mountain of Love") and if anything "Still Cruisin'" is just another Beach Boys adaption. Plus, we can actually be pretty sure to say that Mr. Paul Simon deserves some credit (not literal legal credit, er.....maybe?) for the lyrics of "Still Cruisin'". I mean, "still crazy after all of these years..." and "still cruisin' after all of these years"? Pretty obvious where Dr. Love got the idea.

And secondly, I'm not sure I know many people who know "The Mountain's High" anyway.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 03, 2017, 09:10:23 AM
Separately, I'd have to say whoever is picking which 30 seconds of Mike's songs to preview is doing a bad job. I tried "Ram Raj" and they clearly picked some sort of interlude or basic chorus or something that just repeats the title refrain over and over. There's literally no evidence of Mike lead in the 30 second sound sample. Is some underling really just randomly grabbing 30 seconds?

I've actually found most of the preview clips pretty decent as far as getting a feel for the songs, but on "Ram Raj" or whatever I have to be honest it gave me no clue about the song at this point. Is it just some kind of ambient interlude or an actual song with a Mike lead?
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: October 30, 2017, 07:05:26 AM
Awesoman, I agree completely. To be honest, I'm looking forward to adding it to my collection. But that's just the completest in me talking.

I'm looking forward to it too. I don't expect it to be very good at all. But he does have a few good songs. I think "Cool Head, Warm Heart", "I Don't Wanna Know" and "Too Cruel" are all pretty nice.

And I'll saying something else that will make me hated on here. Of the new songs on that Songs from Here & Back collection a few years ago, Mike's "Cool Head, Warm Heart" was by far the best new song, far better than Al's "PT Cruiser" or Brian's "The Spirit of Rock & Roll."

Obviously I think Mike's a bit of a dick-bag a lot of the time, but I'm not gonna sh*t on him when it's not necessary. Occasionally he can still do good work. And there's a few songs on this thing that I'm sure I'll be happy to add to my collection.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: October 24, 2017, 08:07:38 AM
So long
Now look what you've done, guys. Thud

Although I find GF's approach to discussions like this obnoxious, I'll take obnoxious nitpicking over "I'm going to take my ball and go home" any day.

Agree fully. I think GF is well-intentioned, if a little overboard sometimes. But I'll take being a stickler for getting things right over somebody who thinks they deserve to have us bow down to him because he has access to the band (and likely now, only to Mike since he called Brian brain damaged).
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: October 24, 2017, 06:12:58 AM
So long
Now look what you've done, guys. Thud

Oh no! We lost David Beard, who really contributed um....so...um....much....to this....um...

.....no he didn't. Good riddance if he can't be part of a give and take.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: October 23, 2017, 09:50:32 AM
At no time do either of us say, “Brian wasn’t calling the shots.”   At no time do either of us say any of the other members were "calling the shots."

The fact that Brian was attempting to produce Redwood speaks to him "pulling away."  There were other indicators; that's just one example.
 
Although Brian approved the R&B direction, it was Carl’s influence of the sound—in particular “I Was Made To Love Her” and his proven guitar acumen—that provided the topic of conversation.  Wild Honey is a very personal album for the group … very family oriented.  In my recent interview with Brian he called the album R&B-influenced with a soft rock (sound). 

There is no area of which we discuss that leads/points to any mythological and/or historical revisionism.  Craig (Guitarfool), I am glad you love the music and are so passionate about the topic, but I strongly suggest you listen more closely to what is actually said, versus what you don't hear being said.  At present, you're attempting to revise what Ghosty and I said.  Worse, you're inserting what you believe our intent was based on something we didn't say …

I know my topics …  But don't take my word for it—

“I’ve known and worked with David Beard for over a quarter century, and in addition to what I’ve experienced in his exemplary personal qualities, his work as a publisher, editor and Beach Boys historian has created an invaluable record of one of America’s most popular and important musical groups.”
— David Leaf (September 2017)

You seem like a lovely guy Mr. Beard.

But first of all, dig this...was working on projects such as The Survivors, Glen Campbell, The Honeys, Jan & Dean and Sharon Marie a sign of him pulling away from 1963 to 1965? I don't think so.

Secondly, who posts a quote of somebody else saying how great they are? I mean, President p*ssy Grabber would likely do such a thing, but what person with a sense of modesty would do that?

Lastly, I know you apologized, but still the fact that you called Brian brain damaged before really kinda bothered me. That was just beyond the pale.

“I’ve known and worked with James Spagett for over a quarter century, and in addition to what I’ve experienced in his exemplary personal qualities, his work as a juggler, punt returner and Jeff Foskett historian has created an invaluable record of one of America’s least popular and least important balding men with shitty falsettos.”
— Donald J. Trump (September 2017)
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: was sunshine pop a musical dead end? on: October 16, 2017, 03:25:19 PM
In the long run, as the "great" economist Keynes said, we are all dead....

Big surprise, another Mike Love obsessed right winger. Sure is odd that most of the Mike ball-lickers dig the grabber-in-chief as well.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson & Joe Thomas on: October 12, 2017, 09:14:20 AM
I may be a lone voice saying this but it was not really Bruce's vocals or voice overall that was the draw or is the attraction (he's a background singer), it's the fact that Bruce is a terrific keyboard player and fans have not gotten a chance to really hear the man play live or in studio for too long considering his history and credentials as a musician. But maybe he just doesn't want to play real keys anymore and is content to play second banana to Mike.

Hey I agree with you man. I love Bruce's keyboard work on Surfers' Pajama Party. I've consistently said how much I like that album and it's a shame to the extent that Bruce even pushes his own work, it's just as the "Disney Girls" and "I Write the Songs" guy and then also as Mike's sidekick.

And then, though I'm not really a fan of anything he's done since 1966's "Don't Run Away" (or maybe "Disney Girls" if I'm feeling generous), I think it's a shame that he has not felt the need to push himself creatively at all since....well, gosh knows how long? Supposedly he did a re-recording of "She Believes in Love Again" a few years before the C50 and then apparently either added to it or re-recorded it again for C50, but apart from that I'm unsure if he's done anything new creatively since that Symphonic Sounds thing.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson & Joe Thomas on: October 12, 2017, 08:59:31 AM
It's unlikely, and I doubt Brian or his camp would approach Bruce to join.  But, if Bruce approached Brian, it wouldn't shock me.  Even if it was something along the lines of Bruce joining the rotation of players who fill in when Darian has other obligations. 

I don't know. I don't think I'd put Bruce along the lines of Gary Griffin or Billy Hinsche or those other guys, if only because he's actually a fully fledged member of The Beach Boys (though not a member of BRI).

I also do agree it's unlikely that Bruce would ever be part of Brian's solo team. I don't think his personality and general way of being would really mesh with Brian's band.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson & Joe Thomas on: October 12, 2017, 08:38:41 AM
It doesn't even appear Bruce often sings on Mike's solo recordings. Is he anywhere on the 2004 "Unleash the Love" album stuff? Doesn't sound like it.

Well, as far as Mike's non Beach Boys recordings, I can say pretty comfortably that Bruce is on both the 2016 (Beach Music Classics) and 2017 (Unleash the Love) versions of "Do It Again" doing the "hey now" part. And while we are at it, I wouldn't be surprised if both of those versions are based on the same exact recording. I'd also assume that since he's on "Do It Again" on that Beach Music Classics compilation series, he would also be on the version of "Surfin' U.S.A."

And then, expanding from that, it's likely that those are recordings from Mike's recent Michael Lloyd produced sessions, and ergo, Bruce will probably be appearing somewhere on Mike's new album. Since there is no mention of him being "featured" probably no lead vocals, but I'm sure beyond "Do It Again" you'll probably hear him on their, at the very least on the second disc, which seems to be Mike and his band running through many songs which appear in their set (minus "Brian's Back) of course.
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