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26  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Scott Totten and John Cowsill depart Beach Boys band on: May 24, 2023, 07:15:22 AM
Okay so the mentioning of Stamos sure is odd. What on earth would he have to do with changes in the Mike & Bruce show? Legally, none I would think, unless Mike signed something off to him (which I can’t imagine).
27  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Brian Song coming. on: May 03, 2023, 08:36:33 PM
Hey, I'm happy Brian is still putting out new stuff. If it's great, awesome. If it's not, that's okay too. I feel happy that Brian is still out there. I hope he's happy, that's what matters.
28  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin Passed Away on: January 29, 2023, 08:53:12 PM
RIP to Rocky though I must admit I was not a big fan, especially with his flip-flopping on his "story."

To be honest though, I kinda thought his take on "California Feelin'" was pretty good.


Lastly, ain't it crazy that Brian is still alive and kickin' while so many other players in the story have come and gone?
29  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sail On Sailor box set on: January 02, 2023, 09:38:42 PM
Hopefully with the release of the Sail On Sailor set we have bid farewell to the last of Susie Cincinnati

Why would you think that? Don't forget that a different mix of "Susie Cincinnati" appeared on 15 Big Ones! So I assume there'd probably be yet another remix for a Brian's Back type set in the future.

By the way, does anybody know what releases contain the 1970 single mix of "Susie"? I feel like it's probably not many.
30  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sail On Sailor box set on: December 27, 2022, 09:24:24 PM
I've wanted to do a long post for a while but just haven't had the energy to do so.

Anyways though, has anybody pointed out that Brian is singing some kinda lyrics during "Spark in the Dark"? Maybe it was more of a song and less of a "jam" than we were lead to believe.
31  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: A Postcard From California 2022 release with bonus tracks on: December 13, 2022, 10:31:59 PM
Did anybody purchase the new pressing of the CD? If so, any different mixes on the set?
32  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sail On Sailor box set on: December 05, 2022, 10:56:19 PM
The early versions of what would later turn into "Lazy Lizzie" and "Walkin' the Line" and "Chain Reaction of Love", and whatever else I'm forgetting.

Hey, what song are you saying may have sprung "Walkin' the Line"?
33  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian now in the studio on: November 13, 2022, 10:07:46 PM
That bit of over-talked “I’d Go Anywhere” from the C50 documentary is really the only extant “outtake” as such.

As others have mentioned, “Waves of Love” wasn’t worked on. Brian wanted no part of it, and it was literally in the process of being released as a solo Al track during the reunion sessions. And “Don’t Fight the Sea” had been released in 2010. Both of these would have/could have been potentially good reunion album tracks, but Al had already released them.

Bruce supposedly re-jiggered “She Believes in Love Again”, with one story indicating he actually used some of the ’85 version as a basis (including his (Bruce’s) vocals), and Foskett re-sang the Carl lead parts. I honestly don’t think this would have ever made it onto an album. It kinda sounded like Bruce just used the paid-for studio time to mess around with something.

I strongly suspect that some of the Brian-Joe songs on “No Pier Pressure” could have and perhaps would have ended up on a second reunion album. But there were supposedly a number of songs worked on and in contention in 2012 for the reunion album, and I’m not sure any of *those* were used for “No Pier Pressure”, as in taking the “Beach Boys version” and taking off the BB contributions.

“Daybreak Over the Ocean” was used from Mike’s circa 2004 solo album material, and it sounds like they did a quick dub job where the reunion group (most prominently Al, but apparently including Brian as well) just sang the “bring back…” interludes. The rest of the song has the same Christian Love/Adrian Baker (or whoever) vocals sans any other Beach Boys. I’ve always thought they should have had Al sing the lead on Mike’s 2004 version of “Too Cruel” (the only Christian Love sings; not the later 2017 rereremake) if they were going to fly something in from that album. “Cool Head” would have been good too, but that also had already been released in 2006.

I also remember reading an interview where Mike said he'd written a song with Dave Marks, but I can't remember if a title was said or not.

"Stowaway." I don't know if it was re-written with Mike or not, and I also don't know if it was either recorded or even seriously considered. If Al's stuff and Bruce's stuff weren't getting serious consideration, I find its hard to believe David Marks was getting a song on a new Beach Boys album.
34  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sail On Sailor box set on: November 07, 2022, 09:55:00 PM
Record Collector review seemingly confirms "Body Talk (Grease Job)" as a Brian tune. Also some interesting info about the "Sail On Sailor" songwriting session recording.

Here's a link for anybody interested...

https://recordcollectormag.com/reviews/album/sail-on-sailor-1972
35  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian now in the studio on: October 23, 2022, 09:58:16 PM
Awesome that Brian is back in the studio. I wasn't sure he would go back and do anymore recording and it's great to know he is still going out and doing his thing. I truly hope he is enjoying whatever work he is doing in the studio.
36  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian’s vocal change Redux on: October 04, 2022, 08:47:50 PM
Here’s the thing — Brian did almost no press from the late 60s to the late 90s. That’s almost 30 years. When he did give interviews, he was usually on uppers of some kind (legal or illegal). Once he was properly diagnosed, he actually began taking less medicine — but it was definitely of a more sedating, calming variety. That coincided with doing more press and, for Brian, no doubt getting much more bored and annoyed with the whole thing. So he became far more terse — and interestingly, also began to sing in a far more relaxed manner.

Very interesting point you make Wirestone, especially that last part. While I love the Brian Wilson album, and I love it as it is, I can't imagine the Landy-Era Brian singing with such subtlety and relaxed feeling on songs like "Summer's Gone", "Midnight's Another Day" or "Whatever Happened" among many others. I do wonder if it was just down to approach and vocal coaching, or how much the medication has effected Brian. I don't think I ever thought of any of this until you brought it up.
37  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Any perspective on the release of the CATP/Holland boxed set? on: September 26, 2022, 09:28:45 PM
Crazy to see that we are getting "Pa Let Her Go Out", "Spark In The Dark", "Body Talk (Grease Job)", "Carry Me Home", and many others. The songwriting session tape for "Sail On, Sailor" and a lot more.

Thank you Brian, Mike, Al, Blondie, Ricky, Dennis, Carl, Howie, Mark and Alan. Everybody else who contributed to this project. I cannot wait!
38  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Any perspective on the release of the CATP/Holland boxed set? on: September 25, 2022, 05:00:06 PM
Howie, can you narrow it down to a month? Has this box set been a ‘circular firing squad’ fiasco like the last?

So are we trying to bite the hand that feeds us? What circular firing squad? I was very happy with the last years set and I don’t see the need to stir up sh*t. But maybe I’m off base and if so I apologize. But let’s just not get snappy with a guy who has already given some neat info about this set.
39  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence & Friends / The Teammates: Twenty Years of Making Music 1965-1985 on: September 09, 2022, 10:47:09 PM
I gotta admit, sometimes I gotta check myself. I'm into minutiae when it comes to The Beach Boys and Brian Wilson. And that even extends to Mike and Bruce. I have copies of Unleash The Love, 12 Sides of Summer, Surfers' Pajama Party and Surfin' Around the World. I have a compilation of early Bruce material called Tough Themes. I have the Salute NASCAR album by Mike, Bruce and David. I have Mike and Bruce's Summertime Cruisin'. I even have the freaking Hot Doggers CD. If you know who that is, go get yourself a cookie as a reward.

Now I think anybody that's familiar with me on here knows that none of that is a brag. LOL

But I'm just proving I go pretty deep with my Beach Boys collection. And indeed I have listened to to parts of all of the above. And they sit there in my collection. And in fact I'd probably recommend Bruce's Surfer's Pajama Party and the Bruce & Terry tune "Don't Run Away" over most of Carl's solo work and some of Brian's solo work. But nonetheless, I probably have not every moment on those CDs, but yeah, I've gotten some enjoyment out of them. The point I'm making though is yeah, we can get pretty into this stuff, where you're so deep into this stuff you kinda forget that "God Only Knows" is sitting there right there in front of you to be listened to instead of "Camp California." Or the world of music of artists without a Beach Boys connection that is sitting out there. There has to be something better to listen to then Dean's 14th re-recording of "Surf City," right? Perhaps?

And about Jan & Dean, I'll admit I'm a little bit of a fan. I think truthfully you could probably fit all of their good stuff on probably a 20 song disc. They didn't make good albums and even their best stuff couldn't really come close to The Beach Boys. Even stuff like "Surf City" doesn't knock me out, even knowing it's a BW tune. But nonetheless, a good tune.

But I think what really attracts me to Jan & Dean is the story. Jan coming back from the accident and trying to make music again. But the same old problem creeps up. The music, both before and after the accident, just wasn't anything super special. Jan did some nice things in the late '60s and the '70s, but none of it would be stuff I'd rush to tell a friend about: "hey man, did you hear what Jan from Jan & Dean was doing in the '70s?"

And as far as the "what might have been" thing with Jan? First of all, dude was a Vietnam War supporter studying to be a doctor before the accident. And musically he was cutting tracks for "Yakety Yak" and "In the Still of the Night." This was not a guy who was gonna be anywhere close to what the public wanted to hear in the next few years. He also had the very good "Girl, You're Blowing My Mind" in gestation pre-accident as well, but the facts are....it's hard to see how Jan & Dean would've fit into the late '60s.

Now with Dean, he's even lesser then Jan musically. The only real artistic statement he ever made was with Save For A Rainy Day, which I will admit is a pretty cute little record, showing a grown-up side we didn't see much of from Jan & Dean. Which I must admit is odd, as Dean seemed to not be a fan of stuff like the relatively "more mature" Jan & Dean material like "You Really Know How to Hurt a Guy" and stuff like that.

But yeah, besides that album, the Our Gang stuff and the Laughing Gravy stuff it pretty much seemed that any new Dean Torrence music after like 1967 seemed to focused on either recapturing old glories or just straight up doing re-recordings. In fact I don't think I'm going far out on a limb to say that his music career wasn't exactly the most important thing to him after, say, 1968. So to look for outtakes from a guy who don't even seem to care much about his own music isn't exactly the type of thing that is gonna leave me scouring the interwebs to find clues. But if that's your thing, God bless you. I hope you enjoy it!

I'll just say, sometimes I do catch myself feeling goofy listening to horrible out of tune Beatles rehearsals from the Let It Be era, or getting excited that I get to hear part of The Beach Boys masterpiece "11th Bar Blues" after all these years. And these are works from all-time greats. To hear floor scrapings from Dean,  or Miami Ron from the Trading Company? That's a bridge too far. But as I said, if you dig it, God bless you.
40  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Wilson/Paley Sessions on: September 09, 2022, 09:42:08 PM


Circa 1995, Brian was arguably a bigger name than the band. That may have complicated things. It was cool to like BW, less so the other guys. He was cooler than the other guys.
Honestly, that doesn't make much sense to me, Brian was always the number 1 guy in charge straight from the beginning.

There were a number of years/eras where Brian was either literally not there, or not all there emotionally/performance-wise. Certainly when it comes to live touring.

Brian in 1979 or 1980 wasn't in charge of anything. He was a stage decoration.

And there are of course a million layers to all of that stuff. But rightly or wrongly, by whatever circumstance, there was definitely an element of the band potentially having moments of resentment because they were schlepping out on tour (and sometimes in the studio) while Brian was either not there at all, or was in rough shape (78-82), or perhaps even more grating, post-Landy '83 through 1990 Brian would mostly only show up for high profile gigs and TV appearances (and on rare occasions was a fill-in for one of the other guys).

I'm not defending the guys being antagonistic or resentful or whatever in that 90s time frame. But between Landy, and the nasty stuff written about them in the "autobiography", and then Brian not being there much (literally not at all on stage between mid-1990 and 1995), these are all things that may have played into various strains of estrangement/resentment/awkwardness.

And again I refer back to Bruce's interview with Howie Edelson, where Bruce opines that the two Paley tracks weren't that great, and that he felt as through *he* (and the other guys) were the ones doing *Brian* a favor by being there and singing on it. That seems totally asinine to me (Brian hands you two great songs, but what are you doing to do instead, another AC remix of Stamos's "Forever"?), but it's an important insight into the attitude at least some of the guys had about Brian and Brian material in 1995.

Bruce interview with Howie? I don't remember seeing or hearing that. You sure you don't mean the Peter Ames Carlin? I remember reading some stuff from Bruce (or was it Mike?) in his biography of Brian. Anyways, if there is a digital copy of that Bruce interview, would you be willing to pass it on?
41  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike's Revealing Interview on: September 07, 2022, 12:35:20 AM
Actually, I think if Mike were to really let loose on how he feels about working with Brian today, you guys would be even more enraged.

And how would you feel about this? Would you think it was neat-o?! That he was a badass for “telling it like it is man”? You enjoy a man in his 80s throwing a diss out there against his band mate? Well I’ll tell you, if older men hating on his former mates is your thing, you’ll love this band called Pink Floyd and it’s bassist Roger Waters.
42  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Looking Back With Love - Official Release on: September 05, 2022, 07:49:13 PM
Paradise Found is a rather lovely track. A minor classic in the weird, limited world of early 80s Beach Boy music.

Definitely the best song on the album. Either that or "Be My Baby" but I don't know if I'd call it a minor classic. A pretty good song though.
43  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Looking Back With Love - Official Release on: August 31, 2022, 09:57:51 PM
The album is back up on streaming sites.

The company behind this release—43 North Broadway—is one of the intellectual property vultures that has gained notoriety in the last few years from buying up defunct independent labels and then putting out these slipshod digital releases. They must have acquired Boardwalk’s assets at some point. Probably can safely assume that Mike/the BBs’ camp/Iconic had nothing to do with the release. Haven’t fully taken the time to examine this new digital version of LBWL but I think I’ve already noticed the left and right channels have been swapped from the original release.

Also if you, "Big Daddy," know this or any of the other posters on here, does the digital version actually have reversed stereo channels from the original release? I know it would mean listening to two versions of this album in succession to find it, but does anybody know?
44  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence & Friends / The Teammates: Twenty Years of Making Music 1965-1985 on: August 31, 2022, 09:08:43 PM
So anyways, now that I have more time I have to admit that I'm kinda stunned Dean is getting a second "solo" compilation. Good for him. And of course I'll be happy to have digital copies of rare stuff like the Our Gang stuff and The Laughing Gravy b-side.

Also as I kinda mentioned elsewhere, I wonder if Mike or Bruce has been offered a deal to do a set like this on Omnivore. I think honestly those could be kinda worthwhile if done with care.

Dean was a genius and a visionary with Music Packaging & Graphics.

He's done some nice album art, but I think we throw around the word genius in the world these days just a bit too much. Am I wrong?
45  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence & Friends / The Teammates: Twenty Years of Making Music 1965-1985 on: August 31, 2022, 10:33:05 AM
I’m actually really happy this is getting released. Some cool California music history in here.

Dean's production of "Louisiana Man" taking Jan's original track from before the accident and adding some overdubs) is fantastic. Imo better that Jan's version from "Carnivall of Sound". It's very much in style with Jan's "Norwegian Wood" production and others. Really, really good.

I absolutely prefer the way Dean finished it over what got released on Carnival Of Sound. That’s one of the reasons why I’m glad this set is coming out.

I’m a bit busy right now but planning on commenting a bit more on this set later when I get time.
46  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: When did Dennis record \ on: August 25, 2022, 10:50:43 PM
The basic track was dated March 21 1973, but that was probably erroneous and meant to be 1974. Dennis added his vocal on August 20 1974. There isn't another version from 1977, as far as I know.

Andrew Doe's site lists recording taking place on October 18, 1977 for "My Love Lives On", "Something New" and "10,000 Years Ago." I wonder if maybe this is a mistake then?

Interesting. Based on how he sounds, I would havevthought 1977 or later for the vocal.

I feel absolutely the same way. He sounds gravelly, immediately making me think it was from the Pacific Ocean Blue sessions or later. But perhaps it is indeed '74. He does sound pretty rough (in a good way) on "Barnyard Blues" as well, which is also a '74 cut. So who knows?
47  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / When did Dennis record "My Love Lives On" on: August 25, 2022, 12:27:13 AM
Does anybody know when the released version was recorded? It definitely sounds like later Dennis vocal, but I see sessions for it in 1974 and 1977. I assume these are different versions? Or was work on the '74 version continued in '77? Anybody know?

I know this might just be resolved by looking at the liner notes for Made In California, but honestly I don't remember if recording dates were even listed in there.
48  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Wilson/Paley Sessions on: August 21, 2022, 03:13:46 PM
This was also a different time as well. In the early to mid ‘90s, artists seemed to “work” albums for years. Take for instance, Guns N’ Roses Use Your Illusion albums or Alanis Morrissette’s Jagged Little Pill album. You could have these albums that would have anywhere from maybe four to seven singles and/or music videos supported by tours that could last like three years. And with The Beach Boys, what else were they gonna do? So they pushed that garbage hoping against hope that one of those dinky Summer In Paradise songs might take off somehow and they’d be onto a new wave of their career. I also think possibly that’s what Carl didn’t wanna do a new Brian-helmed album. He knew that they were gonna have new top-40 singles with a Brian Wilson production. I’m not sure he knew what was hip in rock or pop but I’m sure he listened to adult contemporary music and thought that it was unlikely that “You’re Still A Mystery” or “Soul Searchin’” would work in that scene. Although, by ‘97 you have Dylan releasing what’s thought to be his best album in years and you had the Beatles’ revival and reunion. So maybe he judged incorrectly.

Or maybe I’m just off base. We will never know I suppose.
49  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Wilson/Paley Sessions on: August 19, 2022, 09:46:50 PM
I always cringe when I see  TWGMTR "top 5" in a post. If the album had been the mega-hit that kind of chart peak implies, the Beach Boys and Brian/Al would still be performing those songs today. Yes, the album had a great first week on the charts, but let's not fool ourselves, it wasn't Summer Days and Summer Nights part 2. How much airplay did any of those songs get? There's wasn't a Getcha Back size hit on the album, let alone a California Girls or Kokomo.
On the other end of the spectrum, it shocked me and stunned me how many years the group was pushing SIP material in their shows. How long had KTSA songs stayed in the setlists? Rock 'N' Roll to the Rescue? BB85 songs other than Getcha Back? Yet the group kept pushing this pathetic album, year after year. Maybe that's what killed Carl.

Sorry Lonely, but it was a top 5 album. Did you have a top 5 album before? Did any of your friends? It was a nice accomplishment either way. People were excited for the album and bought it. If it was a collection of remakes featuring The Beach Boys with Bruno Mars and Locash, I'm willing to wager it wouldn't have gotten that high on the charts. People knew it was a new album featuring Brian Wilson. It mattered and it sold. Can't say the same of of Summer In Paradise, not selling enough to likely get in the top 500.

Sorry. I know the era was what it was, as far as physical copies of albums, but this is group that had albums chart at 151 or whatever just years after having massive hits. So yeah, the chart placement was a big deal. If Mike Love had an album chart at number 5 today, you and drbeachboy and whoever would be throwing a party at the Endless Summer Forum.

So, did it sell more than the Titanic soundtrack or Rumours? No. But it did well. Just as McCartney's latter day albums have been doing. Or whoever's.
50  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: August 13, 2022, 08:56:48 AM
I give maybe the Nate Ruess take on "Hold on Dear Brother" a pass, both because it wasn't really a "tribute" show, and hearing Brian's band nail that song was worth it. And even if Ruess found the song just for the show, it's at least an inspired choice. (Though one wonders if someone else threw the song at him for consideration).

I think it’s more likely than not that Nate was very, very familiar with “Hold On Dear Brother” and the Carl and the Passions album. I was a pretty big fan of Nate’s band The Format (which was his group before he achieved more mainstream notoriety with his band fun.) and they wore their influences pretty heavily on their sleeves as far as I remember, definitely name checking Paul and Linda McCartney’s RAM and Nilsson. I’m nearly positive that they cited Brian as a major influence. So yeah, very likely hit knew that material very well.
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