What happened...

[Cam Mott]

...to my eyes or is the "Mike's Reputation" thread gone?

[The Heartical Don]

Hmmm... strange. I was just going to read it... did Mike himself push a red button somewhere?

[the captain]

Seems it was deleted because message board participants can't talk about music without acting like name-calling elementary school children.

[smile-holland]

It was decided to remove it. Too much emotions going all over the place. Too bad, for the most part it was a healthy discussion. But if people feel getting hurt, I don't think it's sensible to let the discussion further continue.

[The Heartical Don]

It was decided to remove it. Too much emotions going all over the place. Too bad, for the most part it was a healthy discussion. But if people feel getting hurt, I don't think it's sensible to let the discussion further continue.

...seems sensible. By chance I read the final few msgs just prior to its deletion. I don't know the guys involved, but at any rate the chance of its flowering again were very slim.

[Cam Mott]

Could the offending posts have been deleted instead?

[bgas]

With the thread gone, will Claymc be back, or has the Global Moderator( who is now back to making purely musical comments) won out?

[Jason]

No one was asked to leave the forum, nor is anyone unwelcome on here (although in the eyes of a few members I am unwelcome). This is not about who wins or loses. The discussion got quite out of hand and that's why it had to be removed.

I certainly have no problems with it being put back with the Jerry Springer content removed, but the general tone of certain participants, including myself, combined with our strong viewpoints, can only lead to the thread going right back in the same direction.

But I will not step down as moderator because people don't like what I say, just like I don't ask anyone to leave the board because I don't like what they say.

This is not a war. It's a message board. We have opinions. We'll agree and we'll disagree. Some of us are more forceful than others. I neither condone nor condemn the actions of those in the thread who took their exchanges a little far. Perhaps, as our good friend Jon Blum said a while back, we need to put the internet down for a while and take two steps back.

[Wilsonista]

This is not Rob.  This is his wife.  He is at work and he apparently didn't logout of this account in MSIE.  In fact, I know he is wondering how to deactivate this account and any info would be greatly appreciated.

That said, he told me what he posted this morning and why and I was kind of curious what was posted after he posted that and would like to know what other things were said about both my husband and me before the thread was deleted--I myself was kind of surprised it was gone.  

It's really nice that a place about Beach Boys music is a safe haven for people who like to attack people who don't even participate or even read posts at the board.  Of course, from some of the other merda I've heard about this place it's not out of place for half of the moderators, although the other half of the moderators I have NO problem with, and I'm sure everybody knows who's who.

So, what other things was I called besides someone who looks like a circus performer?  What is said about me in the secret private boards?  And why can't you say them "to my face"?

[Chris Brown]

I didn't catch much of the "Springer"-type content that got the thread deleted, but it really is a shame.  For awhile at least, that thread was probably the most rational and calm Mike Love discussion I've ever seen on here. 

I can understand the hesitation in putting it back, but maybe give it some time, let everyone cool off, and see if the discussion can continue in a more peaceful manner.

[Jonas]

[bgas]

This is not Rob.  This is his wife.  He is at work and he apparently didn't logout of this account in MSIE.  In fact, I know he is wondering how to deactivate this account and any info would be greatly appreciated.

That said, he told me what he posted this morning and why and I was kind of curious what was posted after he posted that and would like to know what other things were said about both my husband and me before the thread was deleted--I myself was kind of surprised it was gone.  

It's really nice that a place about Beach Boys music is a safe haven for people who like to attack people who don't even participate or even read posts at the board.  Of course, from some of the other merda I've heard about this place it's not out of place for half of the moderators, although the other half of the moderators I have NO problem with, and I'm sure everybody knows who's who.

So, what other things was I called besides someone who looks like a circus performer?  What is said about me in the secret private boards?  And why can't you say them "to my face"?

WOW. The thread must have taken a mean right turn after I went to sleep.
What The ??@!?

Sounds like somebody really went off the deep end.  
I think the better question would be,tho, as previously tendered:
Why couldn't you just delete the offending posts?  

No one was asked to leave the forum, nor is anyone unwelcome on here (although in the eyes of a few members I am unwelcome). This is not about who wins or loses. The discussion got quite out of hand and that's why it had to be removed.

I certainly have no problems with it being put back with the Jerry Springer content removed, but the general tone of certain participants, including myself, combined with our strong viewpoints, can only lead to the thread going right back in the same direction.

But I will not step down as moderator because people don't like what I say, just like I don't ask anyone to leave the board because I don't like what they say.

This is not a war. It's a message board. We have opinions. We'll agree and we'll disagree. Some of us are more forceful than others. I neither condone nor condemn the actions of those in the thread who took their exchanges a little far. Perhaps, as our good friend Jon Blum said a while back, we need to put the internet down for a while and take two steps back.

  I have to strongly disagree with you on this.
Moderators have to be above the fray. If you can't keep from getting stupid on here, then you shouldn't be a moderator. As a non-invloved poster, you're allowed to have opinions as strong as any others, but when you have the moderator position, you have to be better than that, and not post at all.  Cut and dried.

[Alex]

At the end of the day, no matter what we think of Love or Wilson, or Love- or Wilson-lovers, it's just a rock and roll band we're talking about. There are more important things to worry about than bickering over aging rock stars on the internet for more than a couple of minutes a day. "Let's beee friieeeennnds!"

[Sheriff John Stone]

This is not Rob.  This is his wife.  He is at work and he apparently didn't logout of this account in MSIE.  In fact, I know he is wondering how to deactivate this account and any info would be greatly appreciated.

I'm not very technical so I'm not sure if I know the EXACT way to deactivate an account. But, since you're still signed on, and you edited your post (showing you know how to navigate around), try going into the Messages section which can be found by clicking on "messages" at the top of the page. Once you are in "messages" section, send your request to be deactivated to a moderator of your choice. You can find a moderator by checking the members list, or by checking out a recent thread. Once the moderator receives your request, I'm sure they'll be able to accomodate you.

[SloopJohnB]

Moderators have to be above the fray. If you can't keep from getting stupid on here, then you shouldn't be a moderator. As a non-invloved poster, you're allowed to have opinions as strong as any others, but when you have the moderator position, you have to be better than that, and not post at all.  Cut and dried.

What you've just said sounds way more stupid to me than any opinion expressed in the "Mike's reputation" thread (which I chose not to be involved in, but I have to say it was a fascinating read).

A moderator is a member who has access to the almighty banhammer, and that's about it. As a member, he's able to express his point of view, and if you disagree with it, you can choose not to answer back. That's how the internet works, and if you're narrow-minded or easily offended, you might want to stay away from discussion boards.

[Wilsonista]

This is not Rob.  This is his wife.  He is at work and he apparently didn't logout of this account in MSIE.  In fact, I know he is wondering how to deactivate this account and any info would be greatly appreciated.

I'm not very technical so I'm not sure if I know the EXACT way to deactivate an account. But, since you're still signed on, and you edited your post (showing you know how to navigate around), try going into the Messages section which can be found by clicking on "messages" at the top of the page. Once you are in "messages" section, send your request to be deactivated to a moderator of your choice. You can find a moderator by checking the members list, or by checking out a recent thread. Once the moderator receives your request, I'm sure they'll be able to accomodate you.

Thank you, SJS.  I'll let Rob do the deed.

[Jason]

On the menu bar, where it says Home, Help, Search...etc., click "Profile". At the left of that screen is a link that says "Delete This Account". Click, follow the instructions, and you will no longer be a member.

[Alex]

Farewell, RobMac!  

[smile-holland]

If I may chime in for a moment, kids. If we're starting this whole discussion again, I'm going to delete another topic. Please respond in a more adult way folks. Even if you don't like the tone of someone else's remarks, at least try not to devaluate on the same level.

Why couldn't you just delete the offending posts? 

We're considering already deleting a few posts and putting it back when everything has calmed down. The topic is well worth it.

Moderators have to be above the fray. If you can't keep from getting stupid on here, then you shouldn't be a moderator. As a non-invloved poster, you're allowed to have opinions as strong as any others, but when you have the moderator position, you have to be better than that, and not post at all.  Cut and dried.

You have a point Surfer Girl. But said moderator made 2 posts in this whole 20+ page long topic. Maybe a pretty direct and strong response, but certainly not personally offending another member of this board… the responses were way more extreme for that matter because someone else chose to take it personal. Just my opinion, I know. But c’mon, the fact that some people seem to disagree with each other in a way that is not healthy anymore (and try to continue that discussion right here again) makes clear that the conflict is much deeper than just this pro-Brian/anti-Mike discussion (or vice versa).

[Exapno Mapcase]

Some people need to ckeck their bipolarity at the door.

[Jonas]

 I have to strongly disagree with you on this.
Moderators have to be above the fray. If you can't keep from getting stupid on here, then you shouldn't be a moderator. As a non-invloved poster, you're allowed to have opinions as strong as any others, but when you have the moderator position, you have to be better than that, and not post at all.  Cut and dried.

A moderator has the right to post his/her opinion just as much as anyone else. The only thing we don't tolerate is when a moderator lowers him/herself to name calling or abuse of powers, which after reading that pathetic thread I've not seen either from Jason.

Whatever happens off this board or privately, we can't control and honestly the rest of the moderators just don't care.

That being said, Jason is a very passionate person when it comes to his favorite band. You may disagree with him, and dislike his opinions but if you continue to egg him on (or anyone, really) about his opinion there's no doubt he is going to get fired up. I see this on this board all the time with everyone.

I'm sorry to see some people leave, its the last thing we want to happen. However, I think its unfair to say they are leaving because someone is a moderator, as oppose to admitting the truth for them leaving is because they just dislike the person and their opinion. Jason may be many things, but he does a fine job as a moderator.

[MBE]

I have no idea what happened but it's a shame that a common interest can cause so much angst between people. It's also a shame that the many considered posts on the subject have to be lost due to the actions of a few. If anything good can come of this it's that maybe we can have a better perspective on how to treat each other. I for one don't want anybody to feel that they can't speak their minds as long as some repect can be given while doing so.

[Jonas]

The thread will be cleaned up and brought out back to public.

[Cam Mott]

Wow, it did get out of line. I had no idea. Still, I am glad to hear sprucing up the thread and de-offending it is under consideration. I don't know why this topic always ends up ugly.

I had my wife insulted back in the day associated with a like topic and it was not pleasant but I knew the poster had never met my wife so I didn't take it personally. I hope an apology to Mrs. Rob and Rob are forthcoming.

[Custom Machine]

The thread will be cleaned up and brought out back to public.

Good to hear.  The various opinions expressed concerning the changing history of Mike's reputation made for one of the most interesting discussions I have read concerning the BBs.