BB STARLINE REISSUES

[TOKENSURFER]

TOUGH BREAK DOGBONE. I JUST LOST A FRIEND A FEW WEEKS AGO TO LIVER CANCER HE WAS ONLY 52. HOPE YOU CAN RECOVER AND BOUNCE BACK. IT DOES MAKE WHAT WERE DOING SEEM TRIVIAL ALL OF A SUDDEN.

[Beach Head]

Dogbone, you're in my thoughts.  I lost a close friend from my college days to a heart attack just three weeks ago.  He was a year younger than me!  Very tough to deal with.

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I've made no changes to the main list, but have modified the secondary lists to reflect input on probable non-existent singles from Tokensurfer and Dogbone.

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Revision #4 of THE LIST:

6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room (08/65)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6060 - Ten Little Indians/She Knows Me Too Well (08/65)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target

6081 - Help Me, Rhonda/Do You Wanna Dance? (07/66)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6094 - Surfin’ U.S.A./Shut Down (10/66)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6095 - Surfin’ Safari/409 (10/66)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun (06/67)
     Light Green (promo)
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband

6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love (06/67)
     Light Green (promo)
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6107 - Surfer Girl/Little Deuce Coupe (06/67)
     Light Green (promo)
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6132 - Good Vibrations/Barbara Ann (12/69)
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)

6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well (05/74)
     Tan (C logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)

6205 - Wendy/Little Honda (05/74)
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband

6259 - Barbara Ann/Little Honda (06/78)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6277 - Little Saint Nick/The Lord’s Prayer (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6280 - I Get Around/Don't Worry Baby (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6289 - California Girls/Let Him Run Wild (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6295 - Sloop John B/You're So Good To Me (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6330 - Good Vibrations/Wouldn't It Be Nice (??/83)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

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The newly-created "PROBABLY NON-EXISTENT" list:

6060 - Ten Little Indians/She Knows Me Too Well (08/65)
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     AND ALL LATER STARLINE LABEL VARIATIONS

6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun (06/67)
     Purple

6132 - Good Vibrations/Barbara Ann (12/69)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     AND ALL LATER STARLINE LABEL VARIATIONS

6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well (05/74)
     Purple

6205 - Wendy/Little Honda (05/74)
     Purple

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And the updated "WANT LIST":

6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room (08/65)
     Blue (A prefix)

6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love (06/67)
     Blue (A prefix)

6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well (05/74)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Rainbow Colorband

6205 - Wendy/Little Honda (05/74)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Blue (A prefix)

6259 - Barbara Ann/Little Honda (06/78)
     Tan (dome logo)

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Since it appears almost certain that 6204 (When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well) doesn't exist on the Purple label, is it too early to conclude that it probably doesn't exist on the Rainbow Colorband label either?  It's the only Rainbow Colorband single we haven't documented.  Input?

[SMiLE-Holland]

Hey Everyone--

I'm gonna be "missing in action" for a little while.  I lost a very close friend yesterday.

Just need some time.  But I'll be back with some more info, and scans for Token.

Thanks for understanding.

Hang tight.

Dogbone

Dogbone,

That's sad news. As roken already said, there are many things in life much more important than the BB. Take care and when you're mind is up to it again, we'll happily welcome you back here.

[SMiLE-Holland]

Are you kidding?  There must be at least 10 different sleeves...well I know there's a lot.

Original STARLINE (like the one pictured on Jeff's scan)
Starline TARGET--some are RED, some are more ORANGE, and there's even a GREEN Variation
Grey (with Purple Starlines)
Black type (with BLUE)
Black (from the RAINBOW)
Silver (from various)

Well, that's eight of them..off the top of my head.

Dogbone

Back on the sleeves:
I've seen several scans of them, but I have a hard time putting them in the right order and placing them with the right labels. Here's my guess, please correct me if I'm wrong (and I realsise that in some cases more than 1 sleeve was used)

   GREEN-label   AND   LIME/PROMO-label   AND    RED TARGET-label

    TAN/AVOCADE (both C-logo and dome-logo)

    TAN/AVOCADE (both C-logo and dome-logo)

    TAN/AVOCADE (both C-logo and dome-logo)

+     BLUE-label   AND   RAINBOW-label

+    PURPLE-label    (is this the grey or the silver cover?)


I might be missing a few sleeves here, but even then I'm doubting on the TAN/AVOCADE sleeves (and in which order). Please correct me. 

[SMiLE-Holland]

Well, I guess I should give it a try. I've just uploaded a very basic website for the Starline (and other reissues) label.

Go HERE
 
It's very basic ("ugly" might be a better word), undoubtly full of errors, still lacks a lot of information and pictures, obviously the work of an amateur...

  

So please be gentle with me. 2 days of hard labour and that for a digital nitwit... I was glad enough I succeeded in uploading it at all.   


Again, this is just a first attempt, not at all what I'm aiming for. This is a temporary website (I don't have enough space on my account anyway), I intend to get hold of a more logic domain-name. If possible a more common title under which I can collect more than just the Starlines. More MB-space too. And off course a good template that makes it much more attractive to visit. See this as a project that is still in development. First thing that I'd like to get right at the moment, is that all information is correct. So additions, corrections and other suggestions are welcome.

[TOKENSURFER]

THE STARLINE SLEEVES
PURPLE LABEL
PLAIN GREY
PLAIN BLACK
MOTTLED SILVER

RAINBOW
PLAIN GREY
 
BLUE
BLACK WITH STARS

AVOCADO
GREEN CAP C

TAN BROWN
ORANGE CAP C
ORANGE CAP DOME

RED & WHITE TARGET
ORANGE CAP C

GREEN SWIRL
BLUE SLEEVE

[TOKENSURFER]

ALSO THE TAN  BROWN CAP DOME SOME CAME OUT WITH A PLAIN WHITE GLOSSY SLEEVE;  AND A PLAIN BLACK GLOSSY FOR THE PURPLE LABEL. SLEEVE.
ANYBODY KNOW WHO STEVE CATT AND  CHRISTIAN BREMER ARE YOU A PART OF THIS BB FORUM. JUST SO I HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING ON TO ADD YOU TO FACEBOOK AS FRIENDS.

[SMiLE-Holland]

THE STARLINE SLEEVES
...

ah, thank you!!

[TOKENSURFER]

SMILE THIS MAY NOT BE A PERFECT SCIENCE.   BUT AS I RECALL. THE  GREEN CAP C SLEEVE WAS INTENDED AND USED FOR THE AVOCADO. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT SOME EXTRA STOCK WASN'T USED ON THE BROWN. WHICH EXPLAINS WHY THERE ARE MORE ORANGE SLEEVES. THE AVOCADO HAD A MUCH SHORTER RUN THAN THE TAN BROWN SERIES.   AGAIN I/M GOING BY WHAT I RECALL WAY BACK THEN. DON'T FORGET I WAS A HIPPY SO I DID INDULGE BACK THEN.  THE ORANGE CAP C SLEEVE  WAS INITIALLY INTENDED FOR THE RED & WHITE TARGET.  HOWEVER THAT CHANGED WHEN THE AVOCADO INITIALLY CAME OUT WITH THE GREEN SLEEVE.  THIS IS PART THEORY AND PART RECOLLECTION.   THEN I BELIEVE THEY WENT BACK TO THE ORANGE  CAP C WITH THE BROWN TAN SERIES THEN THE ORNAGE  CAP DOME LEEVE. LIKE I SAID BEFORE MY LITTLE HONDA WENDY  BROWN CAME IN A WHITE GLOSSY SLEEVE. I HAD BOUGHT IT BRAND NEW BACK THEN IN THE LATE 70'S. IT WAS NEW STOCK THE STORE KEPT ON THEIR SHELVES FOR A FEW YRS AFTER THE INITIAL RELEASE.  MY GLOSSY WHITE SLEEVE IS WATER DAMAGED . BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER  WHAT WHITE SLEEVE YOU USE THE GLOSS WOULD NOT  SHOW UP DIGITALLY. I DON'T THINK SO.  I HOPE I DID NOT CONFUSE YOU MORE

[SMiLE-Holland]

RED & WHITE TARGET
ORANGE CAP C

have a question though. the red/white target releases started in Jan. 1967. The dome-logo was still in use then (until 1969). Why using the C-logo then already on the company sleeve?

[TOKENSURFER]

OK SMILE I MISSPOKE AGAIN.  LET'S SEE THIS IS HOW I SHOULD HAVE PUT IT DOWN.
ORANGE TARGET SLEEVE CAP DOME
RED & WHITE TARGET INTENDED

GREEN SLEEVE
AVOCADO INTENDED

ORANGE CAP C
TAN BROWN INTENDED
 
GLOSSY PLAIN WHITE SLEEVE
SOME BROWN TAN CAP DOME
 
I HOPE THAT CLEARS IT UP.  I'M A BIT RUSTY AND I HAVEN'T DONE THIS SORTA THING IN YEARS. SO FORGIVE ME  AT LEAST YOU'RE KEEPING ME ON MY TOES.  IT'S AN EXPRESSION KEEPING ME SHARP. SMILE JUST IN CASE.

[SMiLE-Holland]

Thanks Token, I'll correct it on the website.

I assume you're making less mistakes then I am at the moment (after all, you're (one of the) pro ('s), I'm still a learner...)

SMILE JUST IN CASE.

       

 

[TOKENSURFER]

SMILE HOLLAND. CHECK DOGBONE 'S LIST SLEEVE LIST. HE MENTIONS
BLACK GLOSSY SLEEVE.-RNBW
PLAIN GREY-PURPLE
BUT MINE  CAME IN THIS MANNER
5 RNBW STARLINE 45'S- ALL PLAIN GREY.
11 PURPLE STARLINES-PLAIN BLACK GLOSSY SLEEVE'PLAIN GREY/MOTTLED SILVER
3 DIFFERENT SLEEVES BOUGHT BRAND NEW FROM DIFFERENT STORES.
BACK TO THE ORANGE CAP C SLEEVE IT WAS MEANT FOR THE TAN BROWN CAP C. BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY THERE WEREN'T EXTRA THAT WERE DISTRIBUTED TO THE TAN BROWN CAP DOME LABEL. ONCE THEY RAN OUT OF THOSE SLEEVES THEY JUST MADE PLAIN GLOSSY WHITE ONES OR THE REMAINDER TAN BROWN CAP DOME.  I CAN NOT MAKE IT ANY CLEARER THAN THAT.
I ONLY SAW THE BLUE WITH THE BLACK W/STARS SLEEVE.

[TOKENSURFER]

THE RED &  WHITE IS ON MY FACEBOOK IT'S SEPARATE FROM THE STARLINE ISSUES UNDER RED & WHITE.  IT'S PRELIMINARY FOR NOW.  I HAVE IN MY ROOM  WITHOUT DOGBONE'S RADIO STATION STAMPS . SO I'LL POST THAT AND THE PENCIL THIN FONT IN MY ROOM GREEN SWIRL.  YEOMEN WORK ON THE RED & WHITE.

[TOKENSURFER]

I TOOK A BIT OF A BREAK . GOOD JOB ON THE BROWN AVOCADO STARLINE AND RED & WHITE DOGBONE. I CLEANED UP THE ONES NEEDED CLEANING UP AND I WORKED ON THAT V ON GOOD VIBES YOU DID OK BUT THE V STOOD OUT TO MUCH I SOFTENED T  GAVE IT A LIGHTER COLOUR /COLOR AND BLURRED IT ENOUGH TO MATCH THE OTHER FONT. I HAVE THE IN MY ROOM GREEN PENCIL THIN FONT IS WHAT I CALL IT. AND THE OTHER TWO IN MY ROOM RED & WHITE . I REPLACED THE ONE WITH KCLH WITH MY OWN. I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE DOGBONE GOT THAT ONE. I HAVE A SIMILAR ONE TEN LITTLE INDIANS GREEN.  THERE'S STILL THE BLUE STARLINE AND THAT'S IT.   AND YES THAT RED & WHITE STARLINE IS AMAZING. I DO MATCH YOU ON THE BROWN STARLINE . I HAVE DESIGNATED MONO HELP ME RHONDA ND SURFIN USA ON THE BROWN.  I'M PUTTING THE BROWN UP NOW ON FACEBOOK. THE RED & WHITE WILL BE CONNECTED WITH THE OTHER STARLINE SOON.

[Dogbone51]

Hey Everyone--

I'm still around, somehow.  Things are getting back to normal, and for those who know...I've scanned the Brown Starline C-Logo without the ARR notations, and these are soon to be posted on SMiLE Hollands website.  Looks like Token has them posted on his Facebook.  Glad to hear.

A few things:

First...Token..your comments about the "Sleeves".   I think it's fair to say, there were some sleeves definitely made up for a certain STARLINE release  (ie the Blue and White for the Green Swirl, and the Red and White Target type for the Brown Starlines).  But I think, at least from my experience..nothing was set in stone about what label would get what sleeve.  What I mean by this is simple.  It's my understanding, that Capitol Records would print up quite a few sleeves, and store them and use them as needed.  Sure, there might be a "new" design, time and again, and you may have found certain Label Variations with a certain sleeve for the most part.  But it's clear to me, that sometimes, when there was a supply of "older" sleeves, Capitol did in some cases, use them for the new releases, until this sleeve variation was exhausted.  I think, we all agree, that certains sleeves were "intended" for certain releases, but just because something came out in a sleeve which wasn't "possibly" intended for that Label variations, doesn't mean it's a "mistake".   So with this, to get caught up in what sleeve should be with what Starline label, is to me, a waste of time.  I think based on pure speculation, that I wouldn't find it difficult to say, that perhaps the Los Angeles Pressing Plant, had an over stock of sleeves from a previous label, and rather than throw them away, decided to use them until they were gone, and then went over to the new sleeve, which may have been printed to accomodate this new Label.  I, for one, am not concerned about the sleeves too much.  I know there are many types which exist, and I know I have many of my singles in different sleeves, as to what may have been intended for that STARLINE label, and this is how I bought them NEW..in other words, how they came. 

The second thing, I need to talk about.  The TAN vs AVOCADO vs Light GREY vs BROWN..etc..STARLINE labels.  It's clear that some of the labels are different shades.  It's also clear, that some are CLEARLY  tan, or avocado, or even grey in color.  I even have one release, where one side is clearly more Avocado, and the other side is clearly Tan.  SO?  What gives??  Token, I think it's your belief, that a whole set of Avocados exist and then Capitol redid everything in Tan.  Sure, this may be the case, but if it did happen, it seems like a lot of work to revamp a collection of re-issue records, to make all the labels look the same.  I don't think Capitol would bother, as these records stayed in print, to keep them available for those who still bought 7" Records.  Probably not really that profitable for Capitol, on one hand, and probably somewhat cheap to print them up again.  Anyway,  I think, their main concern would be to get the records out, and to make the songs available, regardless of the color of the labels.  You may disagree, and this is okay.  But I think it's more likely, that some of the colors are simply different variations of the paper stock and colors used to print the labels, rather than a whole new Label Color Variation.   And with this, in some cases, the paper stock may have been more Avocado, or more Tan....Again, we may never know for sure.  What we do know is that there are a number of color differences, and when I compare Token's Scans to my scans and to the few SMiLE has sent me as well, in a couple cases, I see three completely different colors on the exact same titles.  So?  Does this mean there are THREE different colors?  Probably not.  It means, that perhaps different pressing plants used slightly different paper stock, and the colors were different shades.  Anyway, when I send out the next batch of scans, it will include my Scans, Token's scans, and those which SMiLE sent, and some will clearly show three different shade variations on the colors, and admittedly, I may have them labeled as TAN (and they're acutally Avocado) and I may have some labeled AVOCADO (and they may be in fact Tan).   It's a confusing picture, and I'm glad we're all here to argue and discuss how we feel about the variations.   Take a look at the scans (almost ready to send out), and please make some comments.

I also have a few comments to Token's last post:

I TOOK A BIT OF A BREAK . GOOD JOB ON THE BROWN AVOCADO STARLINE AND RED & WHITE DOGBONE. I CLEANED UP THE ONES NEEDED CLEANING UP

I cleaned up the HMR/DYWD with the writing.  I didn't get around to doing it the night I scanned it.  SMiLE also sent another variation of that one.  It has the ARR notation to the LOWER RIGHT of the label.  Not on the bottom edge.  Wait until you see it!!

 AND I WORKED ON THAT V ON GOOD VIBES YOU DID OK BUT THE V STOOD OUT TO MUCH I SOFTENED T  GAVE IT A LIGHTER COLOUR /COLOR AND BLURRED IT ENOUGH TO MATCH THE OTHER FONT.

Great. I don't have the software to do it.  The "V" was a combination of taking the NUMBER 7 from the 6107 off another label, and cutting it, copying it twice, flipping one, and rotating it around and pasting it, to make it into a "V".  Lots of work, and lots of hassle.  I'm surprised it came out better than I expected, and I look forward to seeing the "softened" look which you've added to it.  Super.  It probably looks totally real!

I HAVE THE IN MY ROOM GREEN PENCIL THIN FONT IS WHAT I CALL IT. AND THE OTHER TWO IN MY ROOM RED & WHITE . I REPLACED THE ONE WITH KCLH WITH MY OWN. I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE DOGBONE GOT THAT ONE. I HAVE A SIMILAR ONE TEN LITTLE INDIANS GREEN.  THERE'S STILL THE BLUE STARLINE AND THAT'S IT.   AND YES THAT RED & WHITE STARLINE IS AMAZING. I DO MATCH YOU ON THE BROWN STARLINE . I HAVE DESIGNATED MONO HELP ME RHONDA ND SURFIN USA ON THE BROWN.  I'M PUTTING THE BROWN UP NOW ON FACEBOOK. THE RED & WHITE WILL BE CONNECTED WITH THE OTHER STARLINE SOON.

If you have the IN MY ROOM Skinny Short font on the Green Swirl, forward it to SMiLE if you can, so he can post it on his website as well.  Glad you can replace the KCLH Red and White.  It's the only copy I have.  And I don't think I got it from where you think I did.  It was part of the Peter Reum collection many years ago...but it's been passed down..and passed around.  But you're close!  I would like to see the TEN LITTLE INDIANS one with the KCLH stamps...can you post a scan on here?   

Token--which Red and White STARLINE is "amazing" as you say?  Not sure I follow you??   And most of the Brown Starlines match, yes...but what do you mean about the "Designated MONO Help Me Rhonda and Surfin' USA on the Brown"...Do you mean you have the variations which say MONO on the label??   


And Token, what would it take for you to post in mixed text??  Reading everything in CAPITOL letters is a bit much sometimes.  Would it be too much to ask you to undo  your CAPS LOCKS key?  Not trying to offend you.   Just asking.

Thanks,

Dogbone

[SMiLE-Holland]

Went to a record fair today and bought a few Starlines as well... couldn't resist... 


Back to the website:
The Tan-C labels are added. Thanks, dogbone and tokensurfer, for providing me these.

Check the Beach Boys Starlines website for the new additions.

I also added the BTTYS/IMR b-side you scanned, token.

O, and I had to add that Help Me Rhonda with ARR notation right-below (instead of bottom) as well. It's now listed under the ARR-section.

[SMiLE-Holland]

As for the repaired GV single (6132):

This WAS the original:


And here's 3 attempts to improve the label:

dogbone's:                                                                                           
   

and tokensurfer's:


and mine:   

[Dogbone51]

Are we all completely mad or what?   

SMiLE--I'm gonna try to clean yours up a little more.  If you look at my attempt, you'll see that i cleaned up the C-Logo as well.  So, maybe ONE more attempt?  It looks great!  Both you and Token did a great job!  Wish the actual copy was this clean.

Dogbone

[SMiLE-Holland]

SMiLE--I'm gonna try to clean yours up a little more.  If you look at my attempt, you'll see that i cleaned up the C-Logo as well.  So, maybe ONE more attempt?  It looks great!  Both you and Token did a great job!  Wish the actual copy was this clean.

Another update. The C-tan label with "All Rights Reserved" notation is uploaded as well and can be found in the tan-label section of the Beach Boys Starlines website.

And I also used the new-and-improved 6132 GV tan-label, that dogbone made, and files under the first tan-C series.