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Title: www.beachboys45.nl
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 05, 2009, 09:07:53 AM
Okay, I’m trying to get a grip on all re-issues on the Capitol Starline series. A lot of them are mentioned in Brad Elliott’s book, but that list -of course- stops at 1981. Doing a quick search on the world wide web (Ebay, Gemm, etc.) made me realise that it’s near impossible to get a good overview of all re-releases, not to mention what they look like. I’ve seen “white with red border”, beige/light-brown, blue, green, purple...

You get the idea: is there anyone out here that has a (near) complete list of all those Starline reissues (including it's label-colours)? Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Title: Re: Starline reissues... need some help
Post by: JeffRetro on May 06, 2009, 05:39:35 PM
Okay, I’m trying to get a grip on all re-issues on the Capitol Starline series. A lot of them are mentioned in Brad Elliott’s book, but that list -of course- stops at 1981. Doing a quick search on the world wide web (Ebay, Gemm, etc.) made me realise that it’s near impossible to get a good overview of all re-releases, not to mention what they look like. I’ve seen “white with red border”, beige/light-brown, blue, green, purple...

You get the idea: is there anyone out here that has a (near) complete list of all those Starline reissues (including it's label-colours)? Any help would be greatly appreciated.


As far as I've been able to determine this is what was issued with what label variations:

   A-Side   B-Side   Starline Cat. #   Released   Green   Lime DJ   Red/Wht   Beige   Blue   Purple
1   Be True To Your School   In My Room   6059   8/30/1965   X       X   X      
2   Ten Little Indians   She Knows Me Too Well   6060   8/30/1965   X                   
3   Help Me, Rhonda   Do You Wanna Dance?   6081   7/11/1966   X       X   X   X   X
4   Surfin' U.S.A.   Shut Down   6094   10/24/1966   X       X   X   X   X
5   Surfin' Safari   409   6095   10/24/1966   X          X      X
6   Dance, Dance, Dance   The Warmth Of The Sun   6105   6/5/1967       X   X   X   X   
7   Fun, Fun, Fun   Why Do Fools Fall In Love   6106   6/5/1967       X   X   X      X
8   Surfer Girl   Little Deuce Couple   6107   6/5/1967       X   X   X, X(S)   X, X(S)   X
9   Good Vibrations   Barbara Ann   6132   12/29/1969           X           
10   When I Grow Up (To Be A Man)   She Knows Me Too Well   6204   5/13/1974               X   X   
11   Wendy   Little Honda   6205   5/13/1974               X       
12   Barbara Ann   Little Honda   6259   Jun-78               X      X
13   I Get Around   Don't Worry Baby   X-6280   Nov/Dec-81                   X   X
14   California Girls   Let Him Run Wild   X-6289   Nov/Dec-81                   X   X
15   Sloop John B.   You're So Good To Me   X-6295   Nov/Dec-81                   X   
16   Good Vibrations   Wouldn't It Be Nice   X-6330   1983                       X

The columns aren't lining up corrrectly, but the label variations are Green (Green Swirl), Lime DJ (Light Green Promo), Red/Wht (Red/White Target), Beige, Blue, Purple, Rainbow (and this is the order in which they were issued).

It seems there were only four issues following the period covering Brad's book - three of which must have come out right after Brad's cutoff of October 1981).

Let me know if you need any clarifications - or if anyone can verify any label variations I Don't have listed here let me know.

Oh, and the X(S) designation is for the version of Starline 6107 that has the binaural mix of "Surfer Girl" (as heard on the first issue of ENDLESS HARMONY).  It only appeared on beige and blue copies to my knowledge.


Title: Re: Starline reissues... need some help
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 06, 2009, 10:37:36 PM
Wow, this is more than a good start to begin with. Thanks Jeff! Especially for the label colours . I'll try to line out that list of yours.


Title: Re: Starline reissues... need some help
Post by: MBE on May 06, 2009, 10:45:19 PM
I have Purple starlines for I Get Around, Fun, Fun, Fun and, Be True To Your School. They all use the original 45 mixes. I think they came out between 1986-88.


Title: Re: Starline reissues... need some help
Post by: JeffRetro on May 06, 2009, 11:14:41 PM
I have Purple starlines for I Get Around, Fun, Fun, Fun and, Be True To Your School. They all use the original 45 mixes. I think they came out between 1986-88.

Thanks for the adds (the one I didn't have was a purple "Be True To Your School")

The trouble with posting the list here is that the data is in an  Excel spreadsheet, which doesn't translate into this format well.  If you want a copy of the actual spreadsheet PM me and I can send it.


Title: Re: Starline reissues... need some help
Post by: MBE on May 07, 2009, 12:56:32 AM
My mistake it wasn't a purple Be True To Your School it was Little Saint Nick. It still had The Lord's Prayer on the flip.


Title: Re: Starline reissues... need some help
Post by: Beach Head on May 07, 2009, 01:48:30 AM
There are a bunch of Rainbow-label Starline 45s up on eBay right now: Surfin' Safari (6095), Barbara Ann (6259), I Get Around (6280), California Girls (6289), Sloop John B (6295) and Good Vibrations (6330). The one that REALLY surprised me, though, is Be True To Your School (6059). It's kinda buried in the ad, but there's no mistaking the label in the photo:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250366920293 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250366920293)

I never realized Capitol kept it in print that long!

Also, Jeff, I can't tell which label you're indicating for Sloop John B (6295). eBay has listings for copies on the Blue, Purple and Rainbow labels.

Finally, I can add that Good Vibrations b/w Barbara Ann (6132) exists on something other than the fairly common Red & White Target label.  Several years back, I was shown a Xerox of  a copy with a Beige/Tan label!  I was told it was owned by a collector on the West Coast.  I've looked under every stone I could find since then, but never seen nor even heard of another copy.  It's apparently rare as hen's teeth in that variation, but it does exist!


Title: Re: Starline reissues... need some help
Post by: Alex on May 07, 2009, 10:49:39 AM
NERRRRRDDDSSS!!!!  :lol :lol


Title: Re: Starline reissues... need some help
Post by: JeffRetro on May 07, 2009, 12:02:32 PM

Also, Jeff, I can't tell which label you're indicating for Sloop John B (6295). eBay has listings for copies on the Blue, Purple and Rainbow labels.

Finally, I can add that Good Vibrations b/w Barbara Ann (6132) exists on something other than the fairly common Red & White Target label.  Several years back, I was shown a Xerox of  a copy with a Beige/Tan label!  I was told it was owned by a collector on the West Coast.  I've looked under every stone I could find since then, but never seen nor even heard of another copy.  It's apparently rare as hen's teeth in that variation, but it does exist!

I'll do a longer post updating some stuff tomorrow - I'll bet Alex can't wait - but I found the purple "Sloop" on ebay and added it.

Also it's interesting that beige copies of GV/BA were pressed up; this would've had to be probably in the mid to late 70's, a time period during which Capitol didn't hold the rights to GV.  What may very well have happened here is that Capitol started receiving more orders for that particular single so they went ahead with a new pressing, not realizing the legal situation until after they had been manufactured.  I'll bet all known copies were destroyed, with only a few (like the one you saw the xerox of) surviving.  For a BB sompletist this could be a very valuable record.

Do you remember if it was the beige label with the Capitol "C" logo or the "Dome" logo?

Anway, I just got a ton of work dropped on me that's due tomorrow morning, so I'll post something more then.


Title: Re: Starline reissues... need some help
Post by: Alex on May 07, 2009, 12:16:16 PM
On a more serious note, I've got the Starline versions of the Best of the Beach Boys Vols. 1 and 2...both in duophonic!! The label on Vol. 1 has the 60's oval Capital logo and Vol. 2 has the newer "C" Capitol logo on it's label. Both of the records look too new to be from the 60s...they could be reissues, or the person I bought them from could've taken really good care of them/never listened to them.


Title: Re: Starline reissues... need some help
Post by: Beach Head on May 07, 2009, 04:06:03 PM
Do you remember if it was the beige label with the Capitol "C" logo or the "Dome" logo?

To the best of my memory, it was the Capitol "C" logo, which would jibe with your theory about how it came to be.  If it had just been normal production that followed the change from the Red & White Target label to the Beige/Tan label, it should have been the "dome" logo, right?


Title: Re: Starline reissues... need some help
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 07, 2009, 10:37:29 PM
I JUST JOINED. I THOUGHT I HAD A TRICK QUESTION  WHEN I TRIED TO REGISTER. WHAT COLOR IS THE SAME AS THE WORD. SOMETHING LIKE THAT.  I WAS STUMPED . I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.  I DID AFTER A MINUTE OR TWO. YIKES. WHAT AN AUSPICIOUS START. 
ANYWAY HERE'S THE LOWDOWN ON REISSUES. I HAVE ALL THE GREEN SWIRL/ RED &WHITE TARGET/TAN BROWN AVOCADO/
I AM MISSING 3 BLUE STARLINE.    I ONLY HAVE 5 RAINBOW STARLINE AND I HAVE ALL THE PURPLE I BOUGHT THEM ALL AS THEY CAME OUT. THE TAN BROWN LABEL WENT THRU A TRANSITION FROM THE WHITE CAPITOL C BACK TO THE CAPITOL DOME. I HAVE ON THE BROWN STARLINE THE SAME SONG WHICH STATES STEREO AND IT'S NOT AND SOME THAT STATE MONO.OF THAT SAME TRACK.  THERE'S AT LEAST 4 DIFFERENT LABEL VARIATIONS OF THE TAN BROWN STARLINE. I HAVE ALL 4 OF SURFIN USA DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS.  THE SURFER GIRL BLUE I HAVE ONE THAT STATES STEREO AND ONE THAT DOESN'T.  THERE'S ALSO THE COLLECTABLES SERIES THERE'S OVER 20 BB REISSUES ON THOSE. THERE'S ALSO TRIP LABEL REISSUES AND ORIGINAL SOUND REISSUES AND ONE SCEPTER.  I ALSO HAVE ALL THE REPRISE REISSUES. THERE'S ALSO ALL THOSE JUKEBOX ISSUES FROM CAPITOL.  I'VE SCANNED HALF OF MY STARLINES FROM YEARS PAST. I'LL BE POSTING THEM SOON ON YOUTUBE UNDER TOKENBEACHBOY54.   TOKENSURFER


Title: Re: Starline reissues... need some help
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 08, 2009, 02:13:57 AM
Hello Tokensurfer, welcome on this board. And thanks for joining us for this specific question. Much appreciated.

So if I understand correctly, if I decide "to collect 'em all", I'm in for a treat...  :-D  (but I'm going to try anyway...) And I'll be checking YouTube, thanks for that as well.


Title: Re: Starline reissues... need some help
Post by: Beach Head on May 08, 2009, 04:29:35 AM
THE TAN BROWN LABEL WENT THRU A TRANSITION FROM THE WHITE CAPITOL C BACK TO THE CAPITOL DOME.

So the Beige/Tan labels with the Capitol "C" came before those with the Capitol dome?  I'd always assumed the opposite.

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THERE'S AT LEAST 4 DIFFERENT LABEL VARIATIONS OF THE TAN BROWN STARLINE.

More details, please!  What are the differences?


Title: Re: Starline reissues... need some help
Post by: Steve Mayo on May 08, 2009, 01:21:53 PM
My mistake it wasn't a purple Be True To Your School it was Little Saint Nick. It still had The Lord's Prayer on the flip.

i have a lsn/tlp on a blue capitol starline label

also a surfin usa/shut down on a rainbow starline label

can't tell from your chart but i have ba/lh on a blue and a beige starline label

also a hmr/dywd on a rainbow starline label

will check for other variations later....


Title: Re: Starline reissues... need some help
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 08, 2009, 10:54:33 PM
OK HERE GOES AGAIN.  I'M GOING TO TRY AND POST THE SURFIN USA STARLINE IN THIS PHOTO SECTION THAT'S HERE. I HAVE 8 COPIES ON THE TAN BROWN AND AVOCADO LABEL. I AM GOING TO MAKE THIS REAL CONFUSING BECAUSE IT IS IN A WAY. I'VE  BEEN COLLECTING STARLINE LABEL SINCE THE EARLY 70'S THOUGH  I ONLY BOUGHT A HANDFUL OF RNBW STARLINES IN THE EARLY 80'S  THEN I BOUGHT THE WHOLE SERIES OF PURPLE STARLINES THERE ARE 11 PURPLE STARLINES. INCLUDING BE TRUE TO YOUR SCHOOL TO GOOD VIBES/WOULDN;T IT BE NICE 6330 I THINK. I/M DOING  THE LABEL # FROM MEMORY .  I HAVE MULTIPLE COPIES OF EACH TITLE ON THE TAN BROWN AND AVOCADO SERIES.  IT HAD TO START IN '69. MURRY DID NOT SELL SEA OF TUNES TO IRVING PUB UNTIL  SOMETIME IN '70. I'M SURE SOMEONE MAY KNOW THE EXACT DATE.  I HAVE MANY SEA OF TUNES  AND SOME IRVING ON THE TAN BROWN SERIES.  ON SURFER  GIRL THERE'S  A CAPITOL DOME WITH SEA OF TUNES BUT THERE'S ALSO CAPITOL C WITH SEA OF TUNES AS WELL AS A CAPITOL DOME WITH IRVING  AND A WHITE C  WITH IRVING ON OTHER ONES..  ARE YOU MORE CONFUSED NOW THAN BEFORE.   THE SEA OF TUNES IS EASY  THAT HAS TO BE THE FIRST PRINTING THEN IRVING . BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE ORDER AFTER THAT.  IT STARTED IN '69 UNTIL '75 I'M GUESSIMATING.  I HAVE BARBARA ANN/LITTLE HONDA 6259 ON THE TAN LABEL WITH THE CAPITOL DOME JUST BEFORE THE BLUE STARLINE TOOK OVER. WENDY/LITTLE HONDA 6204 THEREFORE WAS ELIMINATED BEFORE THE BLUE STARLINE. REASONING THEY WEREN'T ABOUT TO USE LITTLE HONDA AS THE FLIP FOR BOTH BROWN AND BLUE STARLINES. OF COURSE SURFIN USA IS ARC AND SHUT DOWN IS SEA OF TUNES BUT I DID NOT FIND AN IRVING IN MY 8 COPIES UNFORTUNATELY.  I'M INTERESTED IN BEACH HEAD ACCOUNT OF BARBARA ANN/ GOOD VIBES BEING ON THE BROWN STARLINE 6132. DO YOU STILL HAVE THE XEROX PLEASE.  I JUST NEED TO SEE IT TO BELIEVE IT.  I'M TOTALLY SURPRISED BUT GLAD TO KNOW SOMEONE LIKE YOU  MAY HAVE SEEN ONE.  I HOPE YOU STILL HAVE THE PHOTOCOPY I'D LOVE TO SEE IT.  I HAVEN'T DICUSS THIS KINDA STUFF IN OVER A DECADE. I DIDN'T  THINK  ANY BB COLLECTORS REALLY CARED ABOUT REISSUES. AND MOST I KNOW DO NOT. BUT I'M GLAD THERE'S A FEW THAT DO.   IF I CAN LOOK FOR MY POST  WITH STARLINE LABELS IN THE PHOTO SECTION.  YES I DO HAVE A SOCIAL LIFE. BUT IT'S FUN TO GET BACK INTO AGAIN. WE CAN HELP EACH OTHER OUT BY UNRAVELLING WHAT IS AND WHAT ISN'T.  TOKENSURFER


Title: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 08, 2009, 11:09:12 PM
I'LL SEE I F I CAN POST THESE PHOTOS. I GUESS NOT THEY WERE TOO LARGE.  IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING AS ROSANNA ANNA DANA USED TO SAY.

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Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 09, 2009, 03:24:17 AM
Thanks fro trying. There's a 120KB limit for attachments.

But what you can do is to use a uploadservice on the internet. There's a whole bunch of them.
http://tinypic.com/
http://photobucket.com/
http://imageshack.us/
etc etc.

If you upload a picture, you'll receive a url or img-code. Just copy and paste onto this topic.


Title: Re: Starline reissues... need some help
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 09, 2009, 03:27:13 AM
I HAVEN'T DICUSS THIS KINDA STUFF IN OVER A DECADE. I DIDN'T  THINK  ANY BB COLLECTORS REALLY CARED ABOUT REISSUES. AND MOST I KNOW DO NOT. BUT I'M GLAD THERE'S A FEW THAT DO.   IF I CAN LOOK FOR MY POST  WITH STARLINE LABELS IN THE PHOTO SECTION.  YES I DO HAVE A SOCIAL LIFE. BUT IT'S FUN TO GET BACK INTO AGAIN. WE CAN HELP EACH OTHER OUT BY UNRAVELLING WHAT IS AND WHAT ISN'T.  TOKENSURFER

O, I do. Exactly the reason why I started this topic: to get a better idea of what's out there.

Btw, I'll move this topic to the media section and merge both topics into one.


Title: Re: Starline reissues... need some help
Post by: Beach Head on May 09, 2009, 06:51:23 AM
I'M INTERESTED IN BEACH HEAD ACCOUNT OF BARBARA ANN/ GOOD VIBES BEING ON THE BROWN STARLINE 6132. DO YOU STILL HAVE THE XEROX PLEASE.  I JUST NEED TO SEE IT TO BELIEVE IT.  I'M TOTALLY SURPRISED BUT GLAD TO KNOW SOMEONE LIKE YOU  MAY HAVE SEEN ONE.  I HOPE YOU STILL HAVE THE PHOTOCOPY I'D LOVE TO SEE IT.

Sorry, but I never actually had the photocopy; another collector did and showed it to me. I'll contact him and see if he still has it. If he does, I'll ask about getting a copy and posting it.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 09, 2009, 05:51:09 PM
THAT WOULD BE GREAT BEACHHEAD IF YOU COULD GET THAT PHOTO. YOU SURE GOT MY ATTENTION WITH THAT ONE.
I MADE A GOOF. IT'S 6205 WENDY/LITTLE HONDA. THE BEATLE COLLECTORS ARE WAY AHEAD OF US BB COLLECTORS IN LABEL REISSUE DEPARTMENT. SO IF WE CAN START POSTING.  IKNOW WHAT I AM MISSING AS FAR AS THAT BROWN  BEIGE TAN STARLINE.
HELP ME R 6081 SEA OF TUNES  (I HAVE THE IRVING)
6094 SHUT DOWN IRVING (10 COPIES ALL SEA OF TUNES)
I'LL GET BACK TO THIS LATER. I'LL TRY A ND POST MY LABELS UP  AGAIN.
COULD STEVE MAYO PLEASE POST THE RAINBOW STARLINE S UP. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.  IF WE CAN ALL GET TOGETHER AND POST  THE BLUE BROWN AND RAINBOW. THAT WOULD BE GREAT.  I HAVE ALL 11 PURPLE STARLINES AND MOST OF THE BLUE BUT MISSING VARIATIONS ON BOTH BROWN AND BLUE.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 10, 2009, 03:36:06 AM
HERE I GO AGAIN MAKING ERRORS IN WHAT I HAVE.  WELL SMILE HOLLAND. HAS GOT ME GOING THRU MY ARCHIVES OF REISSUE LABELS ON MY COMPUTER. I HAVE 4 COMPUTERS.  AND I AM TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE THEM ALL. BUT I'M FINDING STUFF IN THE STRANGEST PLACES. I WASN'T THAT COMPUTER SAVVY WHEN I FIRST STARTED 10 YRS AGO. AS FAR AS WHERE TO PUT INFO AND THEN THE ABILITY TO PUT PHOTOS  ON WAS ABOUT 8 YRS AGO FOR ME.  AND I  WAS NOT VERY ORGANIZED. SO HERE IS ONE PHOTO I HOPE TO PUT ON . THE ONE PHOTO I THOUGHT I DIDN'T HAVE  BUT  EVIDENTLY  I DO. I HOPE THIS WORKS
HELP ME RONDA SEA OF TUNES

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Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 10, 2009, 03:50:33 AM
O JOY I DID IT  I JUST WISH IT WAS BIGGER BUT YOU GUYS CAN SAVE IT I GUESS AND MAKE IT BIGGER. WHATEVER THE COMPUTER LINGO IS. I/M JUST LUCKY TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS. HERE'S SOME MORE. ARE THERE ANY OTHER JUKEBOX ISSUES OTHER THAN THE XMAS ONES.

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Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 10, 2009, 03:58:03 AM
HERE'S SOME COLLECTABLES REISSUES. THESE ARE SMALLER FILES. THE OTHERS I HAVE ARE TOO BIG

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Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 10, 2009, 04:04:42 AM
OK THEN BEACH HEAD AND SMILE HOLLAND. I CAN SEND YOU THE SURFIN USA  BROWN STARLINE  ALL THE  4 VARIATIONS I HAVE . TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA IF YOU LIKE TO YOUR EMAIL..  THEY ARE 250 K EACH.  TOKENSURFER


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Jonas on May 10, 2009, 05:39:29 AM
You can upload the images (for free) on http://www.tinypic.com and just link them here!


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Steve Mayo on May 10, 2009, 06:22:31 AM
hey smile holland,

are we going to stick with the "starline" label only? are we sticking with USA release only? or are we going for all we can find worldwide? i have  45's from other countries that have a cardboard like pic cover that are on a reissue series called "dance for ever" then an a & b side with bb songs on them.  and what about those capitol 45's on the '70's orange only label..but not the ones imprinted with "from endless summer" or "spirit of america", that have the "starline" lineups. are we including those? also the red/orange capitol target label.
just want to know what i should be looking for when i start to go thru some of my 45 collection.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Steve Mayo on May 10, 2009, 09:37:55 AM
HERE'S SOME COLLECTABLES REISSUES. THESE ARE SMALLER FILES. THE OTHERS I HAVE ARE TOO BIG

i have some of those but in a black background..not blue


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: JeffRetro on May 10, 2009, 09:48:37 AM
hey smile holland,

are we going to stick with the "starline" label only? are we sticking with USA release only? or are we going for all we can find worldwide? i have  45's from other countries that have a cardboard like pic cover that are on a reissue series called "dance for ever" then an a & b side with bb songs on them. same lineups as the starline issues i think. would have to go find them. and what about those capitol 45's on the '70's orange only label..but not the ones imprinted with "from endless summer" or "spirit of america", that have the "starline" lineups. are we including those?
just want to know what i should be looking for when i start to go thru some of my 45 collection.

My vote right now is to concentrate on the U.S. 6000 series Starline issues right now.  There's a ton of them alone, and there are factors that affect label variations that haven't even been mentioned yet - the big one being where the 45 was pressed.  Capitol had four pressing plants - L.A., Scranton, Jacksonville, Il, and Winchester, VA - and it's probable that different label variations were pressed simultaneously by different plants.  I was doing a fair amount of web searching yesterday and have come up with this very general order and dates associated with the various label variations (this does not take into account further variations including song publishers):

1.  September 1965 - January 1967: Green Swirl
2.  January 1967 - ?: Lt. Green Promo
3.  January 1967 - 1972?: Red/White Target
4.  1972? - April 1977: Beige/Tan/Avocado with “C” Logo (starting in September 1975 may have “All Rights Reserved” print on rim)
5.  April 1978 - November 1981: Beige/Tan/Avocado with “Dome” Logo
6.  November 1981 - Spring 1986: Blue Label
     a. with “A” prefix and incorrect “Stereo” designation
     b. with “A” prefix and no “Stereo” or “Mono” designation
     c. with “A” prefix and correct “Mono” designation
     d. with “X” prefix
7.  July 1983 - Summer 1988: Rainbow
8.  Summer 1988 - ?: Purple

The way to differentiate between the pressing plants is stamped in the runout grooves (from a post on Steve Hoffman's site):

1. A machine stamped triangle with the initials IAM indicates that the record was pressed at the Scranton, Pennsylvania plant.
Again per Mr. Spizer, "IAM" stood for the International Association of Machinists' union whose members worked at the Scranton plant. It first took effect on Scranton pressings around February, 1963. Prior to then (and after NAMI's takeover), an abstract anvil-type symbol was used.

2. A star (*) indicates that the record was pressed at the Los Angeles, California plant.

3. An 0, either stamped or hand written, indicates that the record was pressed at the Jacksonville, Illinois plant.

4. A line that branches into a V at the end (looks like a long stemmed wine glass) was supposed to be a Winchester rifle and indicates that the record was pressed at the Winchester, Virginia plant.

And the full matrix number as scratched or stamped into the runout grooves will also give an indication of the order of label variations at a particular plant.

Okay, so let's go!


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Steve Mayo on May 10, 2009, 11:01:46 AM
digging into the 1st box of many here goes......u.s. starline only....

01) imr/bttys beige   "C" logo winchester, va
02) best of the bb vol 1  little lp starline series....says danbury, conn.
03) surfin usa/sd blue A-6094 winchester, va
04) hmr/dywd green swirl  can't tell what the mark is
05) fff/wdffil red/white target la, calif.
06) surfin usa/sd green swirl can't see any runout markings
07) ss/409 green swirl  can't see any runout markings
08) sg/ldc  a-6107 blue winchester, va
09) fff/wdffil green promo la, calif.
10) gv/ba red/white target scranton, penn
11) hmr/dywd rainbow has 6-20 in runout groove
12) imr/bttys beige "c" logo la, calif.
13) fff/wdffin beige "c" logo winchester, va
14) imr/bttys red/white target scranton, penn
15) tli/skmtw green swirl scranton, penn
16) ddd/twots beige "c" logo la, calif.
17) ldc/sg beige "c" logo winchester, va
18) hmr/dywd beige "c" logo can't tell marking sea of tunes pub
19) hmr/dywd beige "c" logo runout groove looks something like this.. [ ]   irving pub
20) ldc/sg green promo la, calif.
21) ddd/twots green promo la, calif.
22) surfin usa/sd rainbow winchester, va
23) wigu/skmtw beige "c" logo la, calif.
24) surfin usa/sd beige "c" logo la, calif.
25) w/lh beige "c" logo la, calif.
26) fff/wdffil beige "c" logo la, calif.
27) gv/ba red/white target can't make out marking but looks like 2 dots   . .
28) ddd/twots red/white target scranton, penn
29) ba/lh beige "c" logo winchester, va
30) fff/wdffil starline has a winchester, va marking but it is scratched out
31) ss/409 beige "c" logo la, calif.
32) ba/lh blue  a-6259 no markings like you list
33) ss/409 beige "c" logo no markings like you list
34) lsn/tlp blue x-6277 winchester, va
35) ldc/sg beige "c" logo la, calif.
36) cg/lhrw blue a-6289 winchester, va
37) bttys/imr rainbow x-6059 winchester, va




Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Steve Mayo on May 10, 2009, 11:05:22 AM
could those ray pattern markings be a "star" ?

if so, then i will edit my post above


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: JeffRetro on May 10, 2009, 11:49:42 AM
could those ray pattern markings be a "star" ?

if so, then i will edit my post above

I'm having to work right now, so I'll look at your list in a little while.

The "star" designating the L.A. pressing plant actually just looks like a spread out asterist and, yes, like rays (6 of them).

The single I'm looking at right now is actually not a Starline, but a promo copy of Murry Wilson's "THe Plumber's Tune," and the matrix in the runout is groove 45-58045-F-1.

the "F-1" must designate an initial run, because another promo here of Capitol P 2144 - "I Only Live Twice" by Tokyo Folk Crusaders - that has the matrix 45-46254-F-1.  Anybody ever heard this?  This has to be one of the most screwball records Capitol or anyone else ever released!  :police:


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: JeffRetro on May 10, 2009, 12:03:35 PM
And there's another way to determine whether a green swirl label is East Coast (Scranton) or West Coast (L.A.).  Check out the fonts on these.  The "Surfin' Safari" and "Ten Little Indians" Starlines are East Coast pressings, the other two West Coast.  Notice the font is a little taller and more spread out on the East Coast pressings (and the catalog number larger as well).

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Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 10, 2009, 12:24:08 PM
O boy, did I start something or what?  ::)  Here's me thinking "Could be a nice series to collect, but what's out there...", and I'm already having a hard time keeping up the pace that JeffRetro, TOKENSURFER, and Steve Mayo started...  ;D  Great! I won't let this discourage myself. Want to know (and -why not?- obtain) ALL of it.

Thanks guys, this topic is getting more interesting every minute.


hey smile holland,

are we going to stick with the "starline" label only? are we sticking with USA release only? or are we going for all we can find worldwide? i have  45's from other countries that have a cardboard like pic cover that are on a reissue series called "dance for ever" then an a & b side with bb songs on them.  and what about those capitol 45's on the '70's orange only label..but not the ones imprinted with "from endless summer" or "spirit of america", that have the "starline" lineups. are we including those? also the red/orange capitol target label.
just want to know what i should be looking for when i start to go thru some of my 45 collection.

I think we should stick to the topic's title for now. So it's US and STARLINE to begin with. But if this series has been portrayed well enough, I wouldn't mind a second series of other US-reissues.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 10, 2009, 01:02:00 PM
couldn't resist adding this one to anyone's attention. Not a 45, but Starline nonetheless. Obviously a re-issue:
http://cgi.ebay.nl/BEACH-BOYS-ALBUM-BEST-OF-THE-BEACH-BOYS-AMERICAN-COPY_W0QQitemZ230245588544QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Records?hash=item230245588544&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1399%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

(http://i39.tinypic.com/xnyst3.jpg)


OK THEN BEACH HEAD AND SMILE HOLLAND. I CAN SEND YOU THE SURFIN USA  BROWN STARLINE  ALL THE  4 VARIATIONS I HAVE . TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA IF YOU LIKE TO YOUR EMAIL..  THEY ARE 250 K EACH.  TOKENSURFER

I think I pm'ed you a couple of days ago on that, but if you haven't received it, than it's probably my bad, and I'll happily send you another one.   :)


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: JeffRetro on May 10, 2009, 02:09:21 PM
And here's some examples of the first beige label (with "C" Capitol logo).  The HMR pictured is typical and could have been manufactured anytime during the period this label was being used.  The BTTYS pictured has the "All Rights Reserved" verbiage added to the bottom rim (it was always on a second line on this style of label); this means it was pressed no earlier than September 1975.  The George Harrison 45 shown - not released until 1977 - demonstrates that not all singles pressed after 1975 contained the "All Rights Reserved" verbiage; it may have been dependent on the pressing plant (they generally used printers local to the plants, so it's not surprising that there are differences).

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Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 11, 2009, 03:24:04 AM
THANKS JEFF FOR THE PICS  YOU'VE SEEN MY MISPELT HELP ME RONDA.  AND YOU HAVE THE CORRECT SPELLING AMD I HAVE  THE OTHER TWO  ON IRVING.
YOU SHOULD N'T FORGET  THE SEA OF TUNES OR IRVING PUB ON THE LABEL. I FEEL THAT'S AN IMPORTANT INGREDIENT IN NARROWING DOWN THE YEAR IRVING CAME OUT.
BUT THE RED & WHITE TARGET OR BULLSEYE ENDED IN '68 FOR THE BB.  THAT I KNOW I WOULD STAKE MY CANDIX 331 OR MY ACETATE OF "I DO" ON IT. THE FACT THAT BEACH HEAD SAW A PHOTO OF 6132 GOOD VIBES/BA ON A BROWN STARLINE AND IF IT TURNS OUT TO BE TRUE AND I DO NOT DOUBT BEACH HEAD VERACITY THEN THAT COPY CAME OUT FOR A BRIEF TIME IN 69.  I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT AND I HAVE  LOOKED ALL OVER THE US  IN MY CAMPER FOR BB VINYL FROM BIRMINGJHAM TO RALEIGH TO NEW ORLEANS TO AUSTIN TO SALT LAKE CITY SANTE FE MONTANA WYOMING  AND CALIFORNIA,  SEATTLE, ETC... I DID COME ACROSS THE ULTRA RARE FRIENDS COVER BLACK & WHITE SUNSET INSTEAD OF THE USUAL COLOR SUNSET. AND OF COURSE I MADE SURE IT HAD THE PRINTED IN USA LOGO AND THE #16 WAS CIRCLED IN THE CORNER. I FOUND IT IN COSTA MESA BUT I STUPIDLY DID NOT BUY IT BECAUSE THE VINYL WAS TRASHED. IT WAS THE LAST PRINTING OF FRIENDS AND CAPITOL CUT CORNERS WHEN IT CAME TO ISSUING BB.
IRVING ACTUALLY BOUGHT SEA OF TUNES IN NOVEMBER 69. BUT WASN'T OFFICIALLY FINALIZED UNTIL SOMETIME IN EARLY '70.
IT'S FROM '69-'76 BEIGE/BROWN/TAN/OLIVE. IT WOULDN'T MAKE BUSINESS SENSE  FOR IRVING TO LET IT CONTINUE TOO LONG WITH SEA OF TUNES PUB PAST '70. UNLESS ONE PLANT WAS DOING IT BY MISTAKE. HOWEVER....
LSN 5096 IGA 5174 CG5464 SJB5602 TRANSITIONED FROM YELLOW SWIRL TO RED/ORANGE TARGET TO PLAIN ORANGE TO PURPLE THEN THEY ALL SWITCHED TO BLUE STARLINE WITH CAPITOL DOME.
LO AND BEHOLD I JUST NOTICED MY PURPLE LABEL  HAS SEA OF TUNES LISTED INSTEAD OF IRVING ON THE ABOVE MENTIONED ISSUES. WHICH DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.  SO DOES THE PLAIN ORANGE LABEL. BUT ALL MY BLUE STARLINES HAVE IRVING.  SO THIS HAS TO TELL US SOMETHING.
THIS MUCH I DO KNOW  WHEN I MOVED TO THE STATES  TO DENVER CO. IN '77 I WENT TO WAX TRAX RECORDS  WHERE THEY HAD THE BLUE STARLINE ISSUES. AND I BOUGHT A COUPLE OF THEM.  THAT'S WHY I RECALL IT  SO WELL.  I HADN'T SEEN THEM IN CANADA BEFORE.  SO I DO KNOW THEY WERE ISSUED AT LEAST BY '77 THE YEAR I ARRIVED IN DENVER. AND I CAN'T GO BY THE BEATLES ISSUES.  I CAN ONLY BY WHAT I BOUGHT AND DID WHEN I FIRST ARRIVED IN THE STATES IN 77.  I RECALL BUYING MY FIRST CAPITOL RAINBOW. STARLINE IN 81 0R 82.   THERE'S NO REFERENCE POINT FOR ME TO PIN IT DOWN ANY BETTER THAN THAT FOR THE RAINBOW .  BUT BACK TO THE BLUE STARLINE I MET THIS FEMALE DJ QUITE UNUSUAL BACK IN THE MID 80'S. AND SHE HAD NOTHING BUT BLUE STARLINES  OF THE BEACH BOYS.  I WAS AMAZED AND I ASKED HER WHERE DID YOU GET ALL THOSE BB BLUE STARLINES.  SHE TOLD ME , IT WAS  WHEN SHE FIRST STARTED AS A DJ IN THE  LATE 70'S AND THAT'S ALL THAT  WAS AVAILABLE TO BUY AT THE TIME .   I RECALL TRYING TO STRIKE A DEAL WITH HER TO GIVE HER SOME OF MY ORIGINAL YELLOW SWIRL FOR HER BLUE COPIES BUT I CHICKENED OUT. I JUST COULDN'T TRADE MINT YELLOWS FOR WORN BLUE COPIES. I'LL ADMIT I SMOKED SOME POT THEN BUT  THE DETAILS OF THE EVENTS I JUST MENTIONED ARE AS CLEAR AS A BELL.
I HAVE 35 COPIES OF THE BROWN STARLINE THE MAJORITY ARE SEA OF TUNES AND A HANDFUL ARE IRVING. SO WHAT YEAR DID IT CHANGE OVER TO IRVING. IF YOU CHECK YOUR ORANGE ISSUES OF SURFIN USA/SHUT DOWN OR HAWAII/LITTLE HONDA, ETC... THOSE CAME OUT IN 74 AND '75.  SO I CHECKED IT'S IRVING  ON THOSE ISSUES THEN WE CAN PINPOINT THE YEAR BROWN STARLINE USED IRVING. I HOPE THAT MAKES SENSE BY NO LATER THAN '75 I WOULD THINK. BRAD ELLIOT'S SURF'S UP IS AT TIMES CONFUSING TO GO THRU BUT HE DOES HAVE THE BLUE STARLINES MENTIONED . HIS BOOK CAME OUT IN '81.

JEFF THOSE GREEN SWIRLS LOOK IMMACULATE. I'M ENVIOUS. ONLY MY HELP ME RHONDA 6081 LOOKS AS CLEAN AS THOSE GREEN SWIRLS.   AND I AM NOT TRYING TO STEP ON YOUR TIMELINE JEFF. I JUST WANT TO GET TO THE BOTTOM  WHERE THE FACTS ARE . AND YOU GUYS ARE REFRESHING MY MEMORY.  I'M FIGURING IT OUT AND IT WILL GET CLEARER. I HAVE APPROX 75  STARLINES SO THAT SHOULD HELP. PLUS 3 PROMO STARLINES 6105 6106 6107
I WILL TRY AND POST  LABELS  ON  THAT SITE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS



Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 11, 2009, 05:00:23 AM
I COULDN'T FIGURE HOW TO USE THAT TINYPC SITE COPY AND PASTE. I KNOW HOW TO COPY AND PASTE BUT  NOT HOW TO LINK IT BACK TO HERE.  I GUESS WILL STICK TO THE STARLINE SERIES AS JEFF SUGGESTED. I POSTED SOME STARLINES ON YOUTUBE TOKENBEACHBOY54. IT SHOULD BE OK. I'LL CHECK IT OUT NOW IN FACT.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 11, 2009, 05:40:03 AM
when you go to www.tinypic.com this should do the work:

1. use the "browse"-button to search for the picture-file you'd like to upload  (as an example I took the Help Me Ronda pic you recently uploaded)
2. click on the green "upload now" / "nu uploaden" button.
3. when the upload is done (goes very quick), you'll receive a few links
   - HTML for websites
   - Image code (IMG) for forums
   - URL for e-mail etc.
   - a direct link for lay-outs

4. Use the image code in this case it is [ IMG] http://i44.tinypic.com/osri2c.jpg [/IMG]

5. and voila, should get this picture (see below) as a result.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/osri2c.jpg)


I hope this works for you. It does give you the opportunity to upload bigger pictures than a direct attachment on this board (with a max of 128kb).




Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 12, 2009, 12:02:13 AM
AGAIN DOING THINGS FROM MEMORY IS NOT ALWAYS AN ACCURATE AFFAIR.  THE SURF'S UP BOOK HAS THE PURPLE NOT STARLINE BUT THE LAST ISSUE OF 5096 5174 5464 5602 COMING OUT IN '78.  AND ONLY CALIFORNIA GIRLS WAS MENTIONED.  I'VE GOT 3 OUT OF 4. THEY ALL HAVE SEA OF TUNES MENTIONED INSTEAD OF IRVING.  IT COULDN'T HAVE TAKEN THAT LONG  TO CHANGE.  ENDLESS SUMMER SPIRIT OF AMERICA ISSUES ON THE PLAIN ORANGE  HAWAII BE TRUE TO YOUR SCHOOL LITTLE HONDA  SHUT DOWN ALL HAVE IRVING  PUB AND THEY CAME OUT FROM 74-75.  SO I CAN'T IMAGINE SEA OF TUNES LASTING UNTIL 78.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: JeffRetro on May 12, 2009, 04:37:51 PM
AGAIN DOING THINGS FROM MEMORY IS NOT ALWAYS AN ACCURATE AFFAIR.  THE SURF'S UP BOOK HAS THE PURPLE NOT STARLINE BUT THE LAST ISSUE OF 5096 5174 5464 5602 COMING OUT IN '78.  AND ONLY CALIFORNIA GIRLS WAS MENTIONED.  I'VE GOT 3 OUT OF 4. THEY ALL HAVE SEA OF TUNES MENTIONED INSTEAD OF IRVING.  IT COULDN'T HAVE TAKEN THAT LONG  TO CHANGE.  ENDLESS SUMMER SPIRIT OF AMERICA ISSUES ON THE PLAIN ORANGE  HAWAII BE TRUE TO YOUR SCHOOL LITTLE HONDA  SHUT DOWN ALL HAVE IRVING  PUB AND THEY CAME OUT FROM 74-75.  SO I CAN'T IMAGINE SEA OF TUNES LASTING UNTIL 78.

I think you're going to find that the publisher listed is the worst indication of the date of the various pressings, although it should give you the order of issue, at least for each individual pressing plant.

Since Starlines were simply reissues to keep the songs available for people who wanted them in 45 RPM format there probably wasn't a whole lot of attention paid to them.  Most seemed to - initially at least - use the same label copy as the yellow/orange swirl originals with the original issue date added.  Any mistakes made - and caught, big distinction there - were probably not correctled until a new print run of labels was needed (and that's providing someone remembered the error by that time).  Even then only one plant might print corrected copies since they all used local printers for their labels.  No record company is going to waste money reprinting new corrected labels for relatively unimportant issues like these unless they absolutely have to, and I seriously doubt Irving Music even knew about the errors.  These most likely flew well under their radar, and as long as they were getting paid...

So, yes, I can see some of the Sea Of Tunes issues running all the way through the series, at least until the beige issues with the "Dome" label, at which time things seem to have been finally sorted out, which carried over to the blue labels which seems to have used the same typesetting with just the label color changed).

As far as the 1974-75 issues associated with ENDLESS SUMMER and SPIRIT OF AMERICA, well, those were treated as "new releases" and were a different story.  Those two albums were major catalog releases, and i'm sure there was research done in those cases to make sure all the credits were in order (and then of course that same info was used on the singles).  That's most likely why those have the right publishers listed.


Oh, and did you mention a "Shut Down" on the orange label?  If you mean Capitol 3924, "Surfin' U.S.A.," that actually has "The Warmth Of The Sun" on the flip, not "Shut Down."

See what a can of worms we've opened here?   :police:


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 12, 2009, 11:52:25 PM
CORRECTION NOTED. IN MY HEYDAY I NEVER WOULD'VE MADE THAT MISTAKE.  BUT I HAVEN'T HAD A SERIOUS DISCUSSION ON THIS  TOPIC.SINCE I LEFT THE STATES 15 YRS AGO.  BUT I'M GOING TO ROUST UP  MY  BEACH BOY BUDDY. I KNOW HE HAS PLENTY OF STARLINES. I'M THE ONE THAT GOT HIM INTERESTED IN GETTING EVERYTHING BB. SO  I'LL GET HIM TO SEND ME A FEW EXAMPLES OF STARLINES I DON'T HAVE.   
ONCE THEY SWITCHED TO THE PURPLE FROM THE ORANGE FOR LSN IGA SJB CG. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IRVING BY THEN. BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THE ISSUE DATE IN THE SURF'S UP BOOK '78. THIS INFO CAME FROM PETER REUM WHO HAD A RENOWN COLLECTION OF BB VINYL AND PHOTOS. HE LIVED IN GREELEY COLORADO AND I LIVED IN DENVER IT TOOK ME SIX TRIPS TO HIS PLACE TO SEE HIS WHOLE COLLECTION. OVER 12 HRS JUST FOR THE PHOTOS ALONE. I'M NOT KIDDING.  I WAS THERE IN 83 TO 84 LOOKING AT HIS STUFF. THERE WERE NO BLUE STARLINES IN HIS COLLECTION.  HE HAD A BUNCH OF BROWN STARLINES AND GREEN SWIRLS AND THE RED & WHITE TARGETS. BUT NO BLUE IN 83. SO WHEN ELLIOT WROTE HIS BOOK HE DIDN'T  HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF BLUE STARLINES  BECAUSE PETER REUM DID NOT HAVE ANY. LIKE I SAID  I GOT TO DENVER IN LATE 77 SO IT COULD'VE BEEN EARLY 78 NO LATER  THAN THAT I PICKED UP SOME BLUE STARLINES.  I PAID ATTENTION TO IT BACK THEN . I COLLECTED   THE BLUE. I HAVE AMENDED MY TOKENBEACHBOY54 YOUTUBE SITE. I HAVE ADDED BRIAN RELATED MUSIC UNRELEASED. YOU WILL BE SURPRISED WHEN YOU HEAR IT.   I HAVE ADDED MORE BLUE STARLINES IN THE MIX AS WELL.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 13, 2009, 06:11:31 PM
I would like to add....

As for the Purple Labels...there were two different variations.

The EARLY Purple, from about 1979 to Early 1982  were:

CG/LHRW       Capitol 5464
Medley/GOK   Capitol A-5030  (the ORIGINAL Issue of it)
IGA/DWB        Capitol 5174
LSN/TLP         Capitol  5096
SJB/YSGTM     Capitol  5602
DWB(Everlys & Beach Boys)b/w Tequila Dreams(Dave Gruisin&Lee Ritenour) Capitol B-44297
   (This is the original issue--using basically the same label)

Other than the two Original issues above, these all used the ORIGINAL Serial numbers and their Pairings.   I do not believe there is a "Starline" notation on these in any form.

These had a Darker Purple background with Silver Font, and a variation on the Dome Capitol Logo--I believe it's slightly bigger (from memory).  I'm not looking at one..so I can't give you exact details.  Sorry.

Later, in the Mid 1980s..from approx 1984 onward...

These were released...on a Purple STARLINE Label.

Medley/GOK   A-5030  (A different label than above--and a reissue)
IMR/BTTYS     Capitol X-6059
HMR/DYWD    Capitol X-6081
SUSA/SD        Capitol X-6094
SS/409          Capitol X-6095
FFF/WDFFIL   Capitol X-6106
SG/LDC          Capitol X-6107
BA/LH             Capitol X-6259
   These Next FOUR replaced the issues above, with  the Serial Number coming from the Light Blue labels with the "X" and the "A" Prefixes:
LSN/TLP         Capitol X-6277 
IGA/DWB       Capitol X-6280
CG/LHRW       Capitol X-6289
SJB/YSGTM     Capitol X-6295
 
and lastly

GV/WIBN       Capitol X-6330


More info to come..when I feel like typing some more stuff.

Dogbone






Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 13, 2009, 11:00:30 PM
DOGBONE DO YOU HAVE THE IGA 5174 PURPLE   CAN YOU SCAN A PHOTO OF IT ON HERE. I HAVE THE OTHER 3 PURPLE.  CG IS GLOSSY PURPLE THE OTHER  TWO ARE FLAT OR MATTED LABEL .  IT'S A LOT OF WORK I WILL SCAN THE REST OF MY STARLINES  BROWN AND PURPLE. I HAVE  ALL MY BLUE STARLINES ON TOKENBEACHBOY54 MY YOUTUBE SITE. PLUS A COUPLE OF RARE BW ACETATES. YOU WILL BE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED. INCLUDING THE WHOLE VERSION OF A TRACK THAT WAS ONLY PARTIAL FROM  IN THE BEGINNING  BB CD.  I AM MISSING THE  BLUE 6105/ 6106 AND 6059.  ANYBODY HAVE THESE THREE.  IMA.  THE PURPLE STARLINE CAME OUT IN 88.I RECALL BUYING THEM AS SOON AS THEY CAME OUT.  I AM MISSING A BUNCH OF  RAINBOW STARLINE.  I ONLY HAVE 5 .  LOOK  FOR THE BEST OF VOL'1 STARLINE LP ON TOKENBEACHBOY54

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Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 13, 2009, 11:18:23 PM
JeffRetro wrote up this list:


These are all STARLINE Labels

1.  September 1965 - January 1967: Green Swirl
2.  January 1967 - ?: Lt. Green Promo
3.  January 1967 - 1972?: Red/White Target
4.  1972? - April 1977: Beige/Tan/Avocado with “C” Logo (starting in September 1975 may have “All Rights Reserved” print on rim)
5.  April 1978 - November 1981: Beige/Tan/Avocado with “Dome” Logo
6.  November 1981 - Spring 1986: Blue Label
     a. with “A” prefix and incorrect “Stereo” designation
     b. with “A” prefix and no “Stereo” or “Mono” designation
     c. with “A” prefix and correct “Mono” designation
     d. with “X” prefix
7.  July 1983 - Summer 1988: Rainbow
8.  Summer 1988 - ?: Purple

I have a couple more to add---not STARLINE I believe, but reissue labels nonetheless...And I know someone did mention the RED Label from the mid-1970s..with the Gold Capitol on the bottom edge...like  the Surfin' USA/The Warmth of the Sun Capitol 3924..as well.  There are at least 4 reissues on that label which probably duplicate the FOUR I've listed below for this ORANGE AND RED Target Label.  Some also say "Mono" on them, others say "Stereo".

As for the  ORANGE AND RED Target Label

It probably started late 1969 and was around until at least 1971 or 1972.  It's not a STARLINE label (again, I'm not looking at a copy)...but there are various variations, most notably the "C" Type Logo,

1) Black Logo on White Background (so the white highlights the "inner" C lines). 
2) Black Logo with NO White. 
There are a couple variations as well on the DOME label. 

The other thing, many of these have the "non-slip ridge" which circles the label (these are there to prevent slipping, when you're playing a stack of 45s and one drops on top of the one below).  Most of you already know..this is the label which "Breakaway/Celebrate the News" Capitol 2530 (promo and stock) and "Cottonfields/The Nearest Faraway Place" Capitol 2765 (promo and stock) appear originally.  In Canada, these two singles (B/CTN and C/TNRP), as well as "I Can Hear Music/All I Want To Do" Capitol 2432 and "Bluebirds Over the Mountains/Never Learn Not To Love" Capitol 2360 appears on this same label (But NOTE:  I Can Hear Music and Bluebirds in CANADA both also appear on the Orange and Yellow Swirl Label as well--the reason I point this out, is it appears in Canada, they started using this label sooner than in the USA). 

Anyway..I can confirm these releases on this ORANGE AND RED Target Label.  I think there's one or two more:

LSN/TLP       Capitol 5096
IGA/DWB      Capitol 5174
CG/LHRW    Capitol 5464
SJB/YSGTM   Capitol 5602

I can't confirm, but I've been told that there "might" be Promo's on these, where it's essentially the same label, but it says somewhere "Promo-Not For Sale"..and there's a "P" in the serial number ie Capitol P-5174.  But I've never seen one.  I personally doubt they exist in Promo form. 


And one other label to mention:

There's a WHITE Capitol Label--"For Jukeboxes Only"  which I don't believe has a "Starline" notation on it as well.  It's from the early 1990s..I think about 1993.  It's the release of

The Man With All The Toys/We Three Kings    S7-72438-19765-79

This came and went quickly, and I believe it was issued (I can't remember as I'm typing this off the top of my head) in conjuction with a soundtrack from a Movie which may have had the A-side on it.  I don't remember for sure.  I'm probably wrong.

More to come..

Dogbone




Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 13, 2009, 11:25:08 PM
DOGBONE DO YOU HAVE THE IGA 5174 PURPLE   




I have it..I would have to find it....I have no idea where it's at the moment. I'm getting most of my info from a book I have, where I've written down the titles and the label colors etc...  I believe it's a glossy Purple Label, and it has slightly larger font than the "For Jukeboxes Only" issues which came out later.  I'm also fairly confident, it does NOT have the "non-skid ridge" like some of the others which are "flat" purple labels.   At some point, I'll try to find it, and see if I can provide you with a scan. 

Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 13, 2009, 11:40:45 PM
Dogbone, welcome on this board and thanks for adding this useful information. A load of information already, and still a lot of additions daily. Who would've thought that?


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 13, 2009, 11:41:59 PM
I AM MISSING A BUNCH OF  RAINBOW STARLINE.  I ONLY HAVE 5 .  LOOK  FOR THE BEST OF VOL'1 STARLINE LP ON TOKENBEACHBOY54

I can confirm these RAINBOW STARLINES to exist--I have them all in my collection:

IMR/BTTYS     X-6059
(I also have a misprint of this. It has the label, but no font printed on the B-side-It's blank)
HMR/DYWD    X-6081
SUSA/SD        X-6094
SS/409          X-6095
DDD/TWOTS  X-6105
FFF/WDFFIL   X-6106
SG/LDC          X-6107
LH/Wendy     X-6205
BA/LH            X-6259   Yes, Little Honda repeats on this series as well
LSN/TLP        X-6277
IGA/DWB      X-6280
CG/LHRN        X-6289
SJB/YSGTM     X-6295
GV/WIBN       X-6330
MEDLEY/GOK   A-5030  I believe this was the FIRST Re-issue of the Medley Single


Of course, there are two Original Issues on this label as well:

RNRTTR/GV(Live)       Capitol B-5595   With PS
CD/LL                        Capitol B-5630



Hope this helps.

Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 13, 2009, 11:51:43 PM
Dogbone, welcome on this board and thanks for adding this useful information. A load of information already, and still a lot of additions daily. Who would've thought that?

Thanks...Nice to be part of the discussion.  I will answer what I can.  But forgive me if my posts are sloppy etc.  I'm trying to figure out how to use this website and the Reply Button etc....and add quotes etc..and perhaps, I may add a link or two with some scans.  My scanner is "sh*t" right now....so..I'll have to deal with it, before I can scan anything.

I have a lot of info to add.  Except for a few...I believe I have a fairly complete collection of most of the reissue singles by the Beach Boys in the USA.  Little by Little, I'll print up the lists of the issues I can confirm. 

Just be patient.  I do have a life outside of the Beach Boys. 
I've been collecting for over 35 years.   I'm nuts about this stuff.   And I've learned a lot of things by reading the posts as well.  The STEVE HOFFMAN info about the different printing plants and the notations is interesting.  But I have to admit, it is pushing it way to far.  How could anyone have every issue from every pressing plant?  That would take years.


Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 14, 2009, 12:14:18 AM
Just be patient.  I do have a life outside of the Beach Boys. 
I've been collecting for over 35 years.   I'm nuts about this stuff.   And I've learned a lot of things by reading the posts as well.  The STEVE HOFFMAN info about the different printing plants and the notations is interesting.  But I have to admit, it is pushing it way to far.  How could anyone have every issue from every pressing plant?  That would take years.

Don't worry, we all have.  ;D

I thought it would be an easy task to collect a series of Starline-reissues. I hadn't expected al those variations (and different pressing plants - should've thought of that though) to be honest. But I find it most interesting, not in the least because all contributors here on this topic seem to be adding to each others contributions.

I think I should try to edit all information in this topic into a readable survey.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 14, 2009, 01:10:55 AM
WELL DOGBONE. GIVE ME A BONE.   ARE YOU SURE THE RNBW STARLINE HAS 6205 LH/WENDY. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. THEY ALREADY ISSUED  6259 BA / LH ON THE BROWN SERIES . THERE WASN'T ENOUGH BB SONGS IN THE CATALOGUE TO PICK ANOTHER SONG OTHER THAN LITTLE HONDA.   I PUT  THE STARLINE SERIES OF BEST OF VOL 1  AND IT IS VOL 1 THE SPINE OF THE LP COVER IS THE OFFICIAL TITLE.  AND IT STATES VOL.1. ANYWAY IT'S ON YOUTUBE UNDER TOKENBEACHBOY54 AND I'M STILL MISSING AT LEAST 3 . IF  DOGBONE HAS ANYTHING TO ADD TO THIS STARLINE BEST OF VOL.1  PLEASE DO. I AM AN EXPERT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS ONE. I KNOW MY STARLINE 45'S BUT I BURIED THEM AND I'M DUSTING THEM OFF AND WILL SCAN THE REST OF THEM. I HAVE TOTAL OF 75 BUT 10 OF THOSE ARE SURFIN USA ON THE BROWN LBL. I'LL BE PUTTING THE IGA CG  LSN SJB SERIES UP ON YOUTUBE NOW.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 14, 2009, 03:17:53 AM
AS FAR AS THE CANADIAN GOES  BLUEBIRD OVER THE MOUNTAIN HAS A RED & WHITE TARGET LABEL.  IHAVE  I CAN HEAR MUSIC ON THE CANADIAN RED & ORANGE TARGET BUT WHEN I BOUGHT BLUEBIRD IT WAS IN DELETED PACKAGE OF TEN RECORDS  AND IT WAS YELLOW SWIRL THAT WAS BACK IN DEC 68. I'M NOT SAYING IT DOESN'T EXIST. BUT IF I SAW THAT BLUEBIRD CANADIAN IN THE RED & ORANGE TARGET THAT WOULD BLOW ME AWAY.   SO WOULD THE BA/GOOD VIBES 6132 ON THE BROWN STARLINE.
I'M INCOMPLETE WITHOUT IGA PURPLE 5174.  IN FACT I FEEL INADEQUATE AS A BB COLLECTOR BUT NOT ONLY AS A BB COLLECTOR BUT WHEN YOU'RE OVER 50 NOT EVEN VIAGRA CAN HELP ME . BUT IF YOU WERE TO SCAN THAT PURPLE IGA 5174 AND GET IT TO ME, ALL OF A SUDDEN BOINGGGG!!  I'M BACK IN BUSINESS. AND MY WIFE WILL BE HAPPY TOO. SEE HOW SOMETHING THT SEEMS SO TRIVIAL CAN AFFECT OTHER PARTS OF YOUR LIFE, SO TO SPEAK.   
LOOK WHAT MONSTER YOU'VE CREATED SMILE  AHHHH!!! BUT I GOT THE IGA CG LSN SLB UP ALONG WITH TWO TRACKS AND ACETATE UNISSUED FROM A BW BACKING TRACK.  YOU GUYS ARE MOTIVATING ME TO BRING OUT MY BB AMMO. IT'S FROM MY BB AND USHER ACETATE COLLECTION. WHICH WAS GIVEN TO ME BY CHUCK GIRARD. SO ENJOY THE LABEL IMAGES AS YOU HEAR A RARE BW BACKING TRACK ALONG WITH SSALT LAKE. GO TO TOKENBEACHBOY54 YOUTUBE   POSTING A CANADIAN GREEN SWIRL SURFIN USA

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Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 14, 2009, 11:58:15 PM
THE BROWN STARLINES ARE ON TOKENBEACHBOY54 YOUTUBE.  THE COMPLETE TITLES ARE THEREJUST NOT ALL OF THE VARIATIONS. BUT THERE ARE A FEW. ENJOY SMILE AND DOGBONE AND JEFF ETC...


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 15, 2009, 12:49:21 AM
DOGBONE DO YOU HAVE THE IGA 5174 PURPLE   CAN YOU SCAN A PHOTO OF IT ON HERE.


I am working on getting the bugs out of scanner.  My computer crashed a few months ago and I've not really had the time to really mess with getting everything back in order.  But tonight, I did uninstall my scanner/printer software, and did reinstall it...so hopefully I'll be able to scan something for you shortly.  The other problem is simple.  My collection is in storage, so I will have to retrieve a few boxes, and fine the records.  So, tell your wife to get ready....cause the PURPLE IGA is coming shortly.   :lol

I've made an attachement to see how to do it.  This is only a TEST photo.

Dogbone


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Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 15, 2009, 01:00:12 AM
ARE YOU SURE THE RNBW STARLINE HAS 6205 LH/WENDY. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. THEY ALREADY ISSUED  6259 BA / LH ON THE BROWN SERIES . THERE WASN'T ENOUGH BB SONGS IN THE CATALOGUE TO PICK ANOTHER SONG OTHER THAN LITTLE HONDA.   


Yes, I'm sure.  When I bought the whole set...I came home and started looking and comparing them to the other issues.  I was just as surprised to see the Little Honda/Wendy issue, but it's for real.  Hang tight, and I'll get a scan of it shortly.   I agree though.  They could've issued another song in it's place.  Perhaps "All Summer Long" would've been a good choice.

Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 15, 2009, 01:08:00 AM
AS FAR AS THE CANADIAN GOES  BLUEBIRD OVER THE MOUNTAIN HAS A RED & WHITE TARGET LABEL.  IHAVE  I CAN HEAR MUSIC ON THE CANADIAN RED & ORANGE TARGET BUT WHEN I BOUGHT BLUEBIRD IT WAS IN DELETED PACKAGE OF TEN RECORDS  AND IT WAS YELLOW SWIRL THAT WAS BACK IN DEC 68. I'M NOT SAYING IT DOESN'T EXIST. BUT IF I SAW THAT BLUEBIRD CANADIAN IN THE RED & ORANGE TARGET THAT WOULD BLOW ME AWAY.   SO WOULD THE BA/GOOD VIBES 6132 ON THE BROWN STARLINE.



I don't believe I have the Canadian BLUEBIRDS on the Red and White Target...but I do know of it.  I do have the Canadian I CAN HEAR MUSIC on the Red and Orange, and saw the Canadian BLUEBIRDS on this SAME label on EBAY a few years ago.  Unfortunately, someone outbidded me.  But that's life.  I'll keep looking and find one sooner or later.   It does exist.  I'm 100% definite of it.  GV/BA on 6132 exists as well.  I'm 100% definite of that one as well.  Just not many copies around.

Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 15, 2009, 04:47:02 AM
THE BROWN STARLINES ARE ON TOKENBEACHBOY54 YOUTUBE.  THE COMPLETE TITLES ARE THEREJUST NOT ALL OF THE VARIATIONS. BUT THERE ARE A FEW. ENJOY SMILE AND DOGBONE AND JEFF ETC...

I am, already watched a few of your video's!


ARE YOU SURE THE RNBW STARLINE HAS 6205 LH/WENDY. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. THEY ALREADY ISSUED  6259 BA / LH ON THE BROWN SERIES . THERE WASN'T ENOUGH BB SONGS IN THE CATALOGUE TO PICK ANOTHER SONG OTHER THAN LITTLE HONDA.  


Yes, I'm sure.  When I bought the whole set...I came home and started looking and comparing them to the other issues.  I was just as surprised to see the Little Honda/Wendy issue, but it's for real.  Hang tight, and I'll get a scan of it shortly.   I agree though.  They could've issued another song in it's place.  Perhaps "All Summer Long" would've been a good choice.

In The Netherlands the "4 By The Beach Boys" wasn't released. Instead we got an (unsuccesful) 45, Little Honda / Wendy. So I guess the combination itself isn't that strange.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: JeffRetro on May 15, 2009, 07:22:18 AM
ARE YOU SURE THE RNBW STARLINE HAS 6205 LH/WENDY. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. THEY ALREADY ISSUED  6259 BA / LH ON THE BROWN SERIES . THERE WASN'T ENOUGH BB SONGS IN THE CATALOGUE TO PICK ANOTHER SONG OTHER THAN LITTLE HONDA.   


Yes, I'm sure.  When I bought the whole set...I came home and started looking and comparing them to the other issues.  I was just as surprised to see the Little Honda/Wendy issue, but it's for real.  Hang tight, and I'll get a scan of it shortly.   I agree though.  They could've issued another song in it's place.  Perhaps "All Summer Long" would've been a good choice.

Well, the original issue of LH (6204) with "Wendy" was a Starline reissue of the two sides that charted off the "Four By The Beach Boys" EP in 1964.  This SHOULD have both songs in their original mono mixes (if someone could verify that, please  8) )  The 6259 issue brought Capitol 4110 (originally an orange label "new" release promoting SPIRIT OF AMERICA) to the Starline series, and Capitol probably didn't have to produce any new metal parts for this reissue, using the orignal ones from 4110 (and therefore saving money).   I think both sides of this should be stereo (true stereo for LH and Duophonic fake stereo for BA).  Anyone able to verify that one too?

This brings up the fact that there are two single versions of "Barbara Ann" - one on the original 1965 single (which was reissued on Capitol Starline 6132), and a slightly longer fade version on Capitol 4110 (2:11 in length, and reissued as Starline 6259).  Linett's been using the 2:11 version for all his CD's, but Andrew Sandoval used the original shorter version from the 1965 single on the GREATEST HITS VOL. 1 CD.

Oh, and TOKENSURFER, more acetates, please!  Some amazing stuff there!


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 15, 2009, 02:25:14 PM
Well, the original issue of LH (6204) with "Wendy" was a Starline reissue of the two sides that charted off the "Four By The Beach Boys" EP in 1964.  This SHOULD have both songs in their original mono mixes (if someone could verify that, please  8) )  The 6259 issue brought Capitol 4110 (originally an orange label "new" release promoting SPIRIT OF AMERICA) to the Starline series, and Capitol probably didn't have to produce any new metal parts for this reissue, using the orignal ones from 4110 (and therefore saving money).   I think both sides of this should be stereo (true stereo for LH and Duophonic fake stereo for BA).  Anyone able to verify that one too?



Hello Jeff--

I believe you meant to say "6205" instead of "6204" from your post.

Either way..when I get the boxes from storage, and dig out the singles, I will try to give them a quick listen to see if in fact there are MONO and STEREO mixes.  I believe your info about the 4110 single is correct--but I will try to verfify which mixes did infact end up on the singles 6259 and of course 6205. 

I will add, nearly all of my Starlines are MINT never Played.  I usually bought them new, and just put them away. 

There was no reason to play them, as I usually played the LP.

As for Sandoval using one mix and Linnett using the other, this seems to be a questions which Mark should be able to answer, or even Alan Boyd.  There may be good reason for one mix versus the other.

Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 15, 2009, 11:35:05 PM
I  FINISHED THROWING THE FOOTBALL TO A BUNCH OF 12 13 YR OLDS MY BACK WAS KILLING ME.  ANYWAY  NO PUN INTENDED ON THE WIFE REFERENCE. TELL YOUR WIFE TO GET READY THE ICA WILL BE COMING SHORTLY.  LESS EMPHASIS ON THE SHORT PART PLEASE.
I HAVE THE 45'S READY AND I COULD LISTEN TO THEM I SUPPOSE JEFF AND TELL YOU TOMORROW. CAN YOU PUT THE REST OF THOSE IMMACULATE GREEN SWIRLS ON HERE.  JEFF I'M GLAD SOMEONE NOTICED THOSE  TRACKS. IT 'S FAR MORE  IMPORTANT THAN THESE DAMN STARLINES. WHICH IS  WHY WE LOVE BRIAN SO MUCH. HE CAME UP WITH SO MANY GEMS.  I LIED AGAIN I AM MISSING ONE PURPLE DANCE DANCE 6106. I ALSO HAVE ALL THE STARLINE SLEEVES WHICH WILL BE POPPING UP ON YOUTUBE.  IN CANADA  IT WAS WENDY/ SHE KNOWS ME TOO WELL(5245) AND WHEN I GROW UP/LITTLE HONDA THAT WAS ON THE CANADIAN CAPITOL 72000 SERIES.   YOU'LL NOTE WENDY IS ON THE WHEN I GROW UP LABEL # IN CANADA. AND SMILE DON'T FORGET TO ENJOY THE MUSIC IT'S THE REASON WHY WE   COLLECT THE VINYL. THOUGH THE MAJORITY ARE SATISFIED WITH THE MUSIC. AND NOT THIS CRAZY STARLINE STUFF.   DOGBONE DID YOU CHECK THE  BROWNSTARLINE  I HAVE ON YOUTUBE. AND  FIGURE WHICH ONES YOU HAVE THAT I DO NOT HAVE AS FAR AS VARIATIONS GO.  AND DON'T FORGET  TO LISTEN TO THE RARE  ACETATES ON THERE. AND JEFF  THERE'S ANOTHER ACETATE FROM MY FAVE SONG OF BW OUTSIDE THE BB.  I DO INSTR ACETATE. VERSION. NO ORGAN  BUT HEAR THE TRIANGLE AT THE END OF I DO  IT'S HERE COMES THE BRIDE . THE ACETATE  IS A BIT NOISY BUT IT HAS LOT MORE PUNCH THAN THE DILUTED STEREO VERSION YIKES !  AND BRIAN'S WOULDN'T IT BE NICE IS MY FAVE SONG OF ALL TIME . NO MATTER WHAT MOOD I'M IN. I NEVER GET TIRED OF IT.  I DO BY THE CASTELLS IS A CLOSE SECOND.  OK GUYS  HERE WE GO.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 16, 2009, 11:58:58 PM
NEXT UP  BEST OF VOL 2 AND VOL 3 AND IF  A CERTAIN LABEL DOES NOT CATCH YOUR ATTENTION IN THIS SERIES THEN YOU'RE NOT UP ON THE LP  BEST OF.  I MEAN THE LIME GREEN LABEL BEST OF VOL 1 BLEW MY MIND WHEN I FIRST CAME ACROSS IT.  IT WAS ISSUED BY THE RECORD CLUB OF AMERICA.  JIMMY BOY -GIRLFRIENDS IS ON THERE AS WELL.  AND IF THAT'S DAVID GATES PRODUCING  THIS  ONE THEN YOU GUYS CAN HAVE MY WHOLE BB COLLECTION.  I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT HE DID NOT PRODUCE HE DON'T LOVE ME(COLPIX 721) SHELLEY FABARES THOUGH HE'S NAMED AS PRODUCER. MARILYN WHO SANG BACKUP SAYS IT WAS JAN BERRY WHO PRODUCED THEIR VOCAL. HOWEVER THE BACKING TRACK HAD ALREADY BEEN LAID DOWN BY BRIAN. BUT A DISPUTE WITH  SHELLEY'S HUSBAND AT THE STUDIO PREVENTED BRIAN FROM COMPLETING  THE PROD WITH JAN


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 17, 2009, 05:10:25 AM
Okay...I finally made it work.  Dam..took me all night..and it's early morning.

Jpegs of the RAINBOW Starline Little Honda b/w Wendy Capitol 6205 ....

For JEFF--Both sides of this play MONO, even though both labels say "STEREO" (as pictured)

 I also checked the RAINBOW Starline Barbara Ann b/w Little Honda Capitol 6259, and it plays like this:  Barbara Ann in Duophonic  and Little Honda in Stereo...just like the Capitol 4110 (released from SPIRIT OF AMERICA back in 1975). 



(http://i42.tinypic.com/ico21z.jpg)

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2ik60ee.jpg)


More to come.  Some info for Token...

Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 17, 2009, 05:30:09 AM
And finally, something for Token...

As I said...YES, I do have the Purple Label Reissue of I Get Around b/w Don't Worry, Baby  Capitol 5174.  It does exist.  Here are two LARGE Jpegs..so you can copy them, and get on with giving your wife, what the Viagra couldn't do!!!

Who gets a BONE now??   Hope these look okay.  My scanner is "sh*t", and you don't want to hear what  I went through to get these scanned. 


(http://i42.tinypic.com/2aj2ref.jpg)

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2hp3qd2.jpg)

Enjoy, now you can go crazy trying to find a copy!!  I bought this copy in about 1980..and I don't think I've ever seen another one.

Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 17, 2009, 01:39:54 PM
This one's gonna cause a fuss.

I saw this on EBAY about 7-8 years ago.  I couldn't believe it.  I contacted the Seller to confirm that it was in fact GV/BA.  She said, "Absolutely".    She also said, "It's from my daughter's collection--sorry for all of the writing on the labels!!" 

I bid $0.99 and won it. 

A few months later, I happen to be in contact with someone, who didn't believe it.  I xeroxed and sent the xerox to him.  This is the same xerox, I believe BEACH HEAD was talking about.  At least, I assume it is.  I didn't want to say anything, until I found it in my storage.

So..it does exist.  I've never seen another copy.

Some details:

Both sides are scratchy--from the wear and tear, but clearly sound MONO.  The Barbara Ann label states "2:53" as the time (like the LP Version), but the record is actually the "2:06" edited version, like on the Red and White Starline issue.  Publishing details are clear in the JPEGS.  Based on the "Sea of Tunes"...this may have been printed before Murry Wilson sold the publishing rights. 

On the inner runout space:

Good Vibrations says:   55949 6132 F7 Hz 2    ()
Barbara Ann says:         55205 6132 F7 Hz 2 <>     ()

Everything is scratched in.  The Hz  is more like HZ...where the top arm of the Z connects to the cross bar on the H.  There are (), rather than []  and the Barbara Ann side has a small Diamond shape following the 2.  I tried to reflect it using the <>  but it's very faint on the record..may not be a mark at all.

This also has the "C" Type Logo, and a non slip ridge, encircling the outer edge of the label.

A bit beat up, yes....this is exactly how I bought it. 


Here are the JPEGS:

(http://i42.tinypic.com/1z2myk0.jpg)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/30dhvuf.jpg)


Happy to share it.

Cheers,

Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: brother 1002 on May 17, 2009, 05:15:26 PM
Hello there! I'm new to joining this forum, but have beed reading it for a long time. I have a Beach Boys Star Line 45 that hasn't been mentioned yet. It's a copy of TEN LITTLE INDIANS/ SHE KNOWS ME TOO WELL on the red/white target label. I'd love to post an image of it, but I can't figure out how to do it. Can anyone help me? Thanks!


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: brother 1002 on May 17, 2009, 05:37:49 PM
I think I figured it out. Have a look at these:

(http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/ww313/brother1002/BeachBoysTenLittleIndiansRed-Whi-1.jpg)

(http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/ww313/brother1002/BeachBoysTenLittleIndiansRed-WhiteS.jpg)


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 17, 2009, 10:22:27 PM
WOW  NEEDLESS TO SAY THE GODD VIBES 6132 BLOWS ME AWAY.  MORE SO THAN THE PURPLE I GET AROUND I HAD THE OTHER PURPLES I KNEW THIS EXISTED IN PURPLE. BUT GOOD VIBES IN THE BROWN STARLINE NEVER DID I SUSPECT IT EXISTED. THANKS FOR SHARING THIS ONE. I WILL TELL YOU WHY IT'S SO RARE  CHANCES ARE  IT HAD ONLY ONE PRINTING RUN AND A SHORT RUN  AT THAT.   IRVING MAY HAVE BEEN LAX IN CHANGING IT FROM SEA OF TUNES TO IRVING. BUT I GUARANTEE WARNER BROS. WASN'T LIKE THAT. SO WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE CAPITOL CATALOGUE FROM PET SOUNDS TO 20'20. GOOD VIBES WAS IMMEDIATELY  PULLED FROM  THE CAPITOL PRESSES.  AND THAT'S WHY THIS STRANGE LOOKING ANAMOLY EXISTS FOR ONLY A SHORT PERIOD IN LATE 69 OR EARLY 70. IT'S A SHAME 15 WAS WRITTEN OVER GOOD VIBES. I WILL NOW BE FOREVER LOOKING FOR THIS ONE. I WILL TRY AND CLEAN IT UP DIGITALLY HOWEVER.  THE IGA PURPLE GIVES ME PEACE OF MIND. BUT THE BROWN 6132 GAVE ME  A RUSH I HADN'T  FELT SINCE I GOT A NEAR MINT CANDIX 331 8 YRS AGO.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 17, 2009, 11:58:44 PM
HOLD ON BROTHER 1002  YOURS IS JUST AS STUNNING  AS THE GOOD VIBES  TO SEE TEN LITTLE INDIANS ON THE RED & WHITE HOLY SMOKES. I HAVE BEEN HUMBLED.   WOW TEN LITTLE INDIANS. WELL SMILE HOLLAND . I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP.  WE ARE FINALLY GETTING A COMPLETE ,PICTURE OF WHAT'S OUT THERE.  WITH ALL THE BROWN STARLINES I HAVE AND THEIR VARIATIONS AND MY PURPLE STARLINES. WITH DOGBONE'S RNBW STARLINES.AND HIS ODDITY STARLINE THEN YOU HAVE BROTHER 1002 WITH HIS TEN LITTLE INDIANS RED & WHITE.   DON'T FORGET DOGBONE TO POST THE REST OF THE RAIN BOW AND  I WILL SEND MY STARLINES IN A ZIP STYLE FILE TO JEFF IF HE OR WHOMEVER WANTS TO PUT UP THE COMPLETE STARLINE COLLECTION. SMILE  WOULD YOU CARE TO DO IT. IT WAS YOU WHO BROUGHT THE SUBJECT TO OUR ATTENTION.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 18, 2009, 03:08:10 AM
Hello, brother 1002, welcome on this board, and thans for your first contribution.

I hope you can forgive me for modifying your message with the Ten Little Indians pictures. This way we can see them directly.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 18, 2009, 03:12:48 AM
HOLD ON BROTHER 1002  YOURS IS JUST AS STUNNING  AS THE GOOD VIBES  TO SEE TEN LITTLE INDIANS ON THE RED & WHITE HOLY SMOKES. I HAVE BEEN HUMBLED.   WOW TEN LITTLE INDIANS. WELL SMILE HOLLAND . I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP.  WE ARE FINALLY GETTING A COMPLETE ,PICTURE OF WHAT'S OUT THERE.  WITH ALL THE BROWN STARLINES I HAVE AND THEIR VARIATIONS AND MY PURPLE STARLINES. WITH DOGBONE'S RNBW STARLINES.AND HIS ODDITY STARLINE THEN YOU HAVE BROTHER 1002 WITH HIS TEN LITTLE INDIANS RED & WHITE.   DON'T FORGET DOGBONE TO POST THE REST OF THE RAIN BOW AND  I WILL SEND MY STARLINES IN A ZIP STYLE FILE TO JEFF IF HE OR WHOMEVER WANTS TO PUT UP THE COMPLETE STARLINE COLLECTION. SMILE  WOULD YOU CARE TO DO IT. IT WAS YOU WHO BROUGHT THE SUBJECT TO OUR ATTENTION.

TokenSurfer, I'd be honoured to make a complete overview of "what's out there". And indeed, I "only" brought this subject to anyone's attention, that would be my sole contribution, because you guys did all the hard work. I'll try to make a start with it, later this week. Of course, as long as there are further additions, I'll modify the list.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 18, 2009, 03:44:16 AM
FIRST OF ALL  SMILE  I THINK I DELETED YOUR  POST TO MY TOKENBEACHBOY 54 SITE. YOU DID SEND ME A POST DIDN'T YOU. JUST EMAIL ME AND I'LL SEND YOU A ZIP OF ALL THE STARLINES I'VE GOT.  BUT IT''LL BE FROM A MAC I HOPE THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. TOKENSURFER53@gmail.com . I'LL PUT II IN ORDER OF ISSUE AS WELL.  WE'RE GETTING THERE.   I CLEANED UP THE BARBARA ANN AND GOOD VIBES EXCEPT FOR THE 15.  CAN YOU DELETE THE 15 OFF  SMILE AND REPLACE  THE D AND VIB WITH IDENTICAL FONT.  I'VE DONE IT BUT I'M NO EXPERT


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 18, 2009, 04:24:56 AM
@ Tokensurfer: I don't think you deleted anything. I sent you an "friends"-invitation on YouTube (my account is SmilingDutchman), and yesterday I noticed you accepted (and thanks for that!  :) ).

I'll send you an e-mail this evening. Don't have a MAC, so no clue if that's going to give any troubles... we'll see.

I happen to have some nice graphic software on my PC so I might be able to wipe that "15" on the Good Vibes 45 away. I'll let you know about the results.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Beach Head on May 18, 2009, 11:02:00 AM
While SMiLE-Holland assembles the visual guide to what’s available in Beach Boys Starline singles, I thought it might be worthwhile to make a text list as an aid to such an assembly.  From my own knowledge and collection, plus everything that’s been contributed to this thread, plus everything I can find on eBay, this is what I’ve been able to pull together.  I’ve restricted the list to only Capitol 6000-series Starline singles, ignoring all the non-Starline reissue singles, as well as that odd “Beach Boys Medley” 45 on the Rainbow Colorband Starline label (it’s not in the 6000 series).  Also, I’ve restricted the list of label variations to those that seem to be deliberate, planned label changes, leaving off things like varying stereo/mono designations and publishing companies, as those seem to relate more to printing plant differences than anything else.

For the record, these are the Starline label variations reflected in this list, in their order of usage:

     Green Swirl                   
     Light Green (promo)
     Red/White Target
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

--------------------

And now, THE LIST:

6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room (08/65)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6060 - Ten Little Indians/She Knows Me Too Well (08/65)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target

6081 - Help Me, Rhonda/Do You Wanna Dance? (07/66)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6094 - Surfin’ U.S.A./Shut Down (10/66)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6095 - Surfin’ Safari/409 (10/66)
     Green Swirl
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun (06/67)
     Light Green (promo)
     Red/White Target
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband

6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love (06/67)
     Light Green (promo)
     Red/White Target
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6107 - Surfer Girl/Little Deuce Coupe (06/67)
     Light Green (promo)
     Red/White Target
     Tan (C logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6132 - Good Vibrations/Barbara Ann (12/69)
     Red/White Target
     Tan (C logo)

6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well (05/74)
     Tan (C logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)

6205 - Wendy/Little Honda (05/74)
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (dome logo)
     Rainbow Colorband

6259 - Barbara Ann/Little Honda (06/78)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6277 - Little Saint Nick/The Lord’s Prayer (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6280 - I Get Around/Don't Worry Baby (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6289 - California Girls/Let Him Run Wild (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6295 - Sloop John B/You're So Good To Me (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6330 - Good Vibrations/Wouldn't It Be Nice (??/83)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

CHANGES AND UPDATES ARE WANTED!



Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Beach Head on May 18, 2009, 11:06:47 AM
And this is the corollary to THE LIST.

These are the obvious "holes" -- records that seem likely to exist, but have not yet been confirmed.  These constitute, I guess, our “WANT LIST.”


6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room (08/65)
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)

6095 - Surfin’ Safari/409 (10/66)
     Red/White Target
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)

6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun (06/67)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Blue (A prefix)
     Purple

6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love (06/67)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)

6107 - Surfer Girl/Little Deuce Coupe (06/67)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)

6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well (05/74)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6205 - Wendy/Little Honda (05/74)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Purple

6259 - Barbara Ann/Little Honda (06/78)
     Tan (dome logo)


I feel certain some of these exist.  For example, it makes no sense that 6059 (Be True To Your School/In My Room) and 6106 (Fun Fun Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love) don’t exist on a Blue Starline label.  Similarly, 6105 (Dance Dance Dance/The Warmth Of The Sun) and 6204 (When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well) should exist on the Purple Starline label.  In each case, the rest of the Starline catalog exists on those labels, so why not those particular discs?

I’m especially curious about whether 6204 (When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well) and 6205 (Wendy/Little Honda) exist on the missing later Starline labels?  Did 6204 go out of print after the Blue Starline label?  And now that we know 6205 exists on the Rainbow Colorband label, should we be looking for copies on the Blue and Purple labels?


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 18, 2009, 02:42:07 PM
GOOD JOB IN PUTTING THAT TOGETHER BEACH HEAD . I ALSO DID  THIS A ALONG TIME AGO. BUT WITH LESS INPUT. I FELT LIKE I WAS THE ONLY ONE INTERESTED.  I THINK DOGBONE WILL AGREE THAT WIGROWUP 6204 STOPS AT THE BLUE. THERE ARE NO RNBW AND PURPLE.  WENDY 6205 FOOLED ME  I THOUGHT IT STOPPED BEFORE THE RAINBOW.  BUT I KNOW IT DOES NOT EXIST ON THE PURPLE  AND I COLLECTED THEM ALL WHEN THEY FIRST CAME OUT. . I KNOW I CAN'T FIND DANCE DANCE DANCE PURPLE  BUT I HAVE IT SOMEWHERE IN MY MASSIVE RECORD COLLECTION.  AND THE RED & WHITE SURFIN SAFARI. I ALSO MISPLACED . I CAN'T BELIEVE I CAN'T FIND THOSE TWO.  DO YOU  DOGBONE HAVE THE REST OF THE BLUE STARLINES THAT I AM MISSING.  BTW PURPLE IS A HARD COLOUR TO SCAN . THE PRINT IS HARD TO SEE. I HAD TO BRIGHTEN AND ALTER THE COLOUR A LITTLE FOR THE PRINT TO  SHOW UP.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 18, 2009, 06:07:25 PM
 DON'T FORGET DOGBONE TO POST THE REST OF THE RAIN BOW

Sorry, I really don't have time to post all of these.  I did post a list on an earlier post....For now..use that as your guide as this is what I have in my collection.   I had a really difficult time getting my scanner to work--you wouldn't believe the hassle--just to do the 6 Jpegs I did (the other three singles).  But if I can get the bugs out completely..then we'll see.  I'm just too busy to pull all of the records out scan them, make sure the scan worked etc, transfer them to the other jpeg sharing website and then post them.   With my scanner not being reliable--I just don't need the headache right now.  Although, I do appreciate your enthusiam.  I would like to see a website with EVERY Starline issue and every variation on the labels printed or at least documented.

For now, I will  look at Beach Head's list of "wants" as he calls it...and see what pieces I can fill in.   I may also include any corrections and additions, he may have missed in his other list.  But just glancing at it earlier...he does have most everything documented quite well.   Hey Beach Head..ya wanna sell me your collection??   

Dogbone  :lol 


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 18, 2009, 11:33:29 PM
hey Everyone--

I just got done going through Beach Head's list of the STARLINE'S he put on his "want" list. 

I have confirmed a lot of them.  On those where he asks about the ALL RIGHTS RESERVED notation..I have a copy of all of those singles..but I'd have to dig out the copies to see if in fact, they have this notation.  The only one I know I have for sure is the WHEN I GROW UP/SHE KNOWS ME TOO WELL with that notation.  For some reason, I remember that one!!  But I'll dig it out and confirm it before I say it exists..thus it's listed as NOT SURE at this point below.

Also, when I say, "NOT SURE"  it means  "I don't know if it exists and I don't know if I may have it in my unsorted boxes of singles. "    When I say, "MIGHT HAVE THIS, WILL HAVE TO DIG" it means that I remember the issue, and may have bought a copy in the near past.    Some things I do remember...but I don't want to say " I can confirm" until I find it, and list it in my book.


6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room (08/65)
     Tan (dome logo)      I can confirm this one.  I have it.
     Blue (A prefix)            Not Sure
     Blue (X prefix)          I can confirm this one.  I have it.

6095 - Surfin’ Safari/409 (10/66)
     Red/White Target      Might have this. Will have to dig for it.
     Tan (dome logo)        Might have this. Will have to dig for it.
     Blue (A prefix)              I can confirm this one.  I have it.

6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun (06/67)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation   D     Not Sure
     Blue (A prefix)      I can confirm this one.  I have it.
     Purple                         Not Sure

6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love (06/67)
     Blue (A prefix)           Not Sure
     Blue (X prefix)      I can confirm this one.  I have it.

6107 - Surfer Girl/Little Deuce Coupe (06/67)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation         Not Sure
     Tan (dome logo)    I can confirm this one.  I have it.

6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well (05/74)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation         Not Sure
     Tan (dome logo)           Not Sure
     Rainbow Colorband        Not Sure
     Purple                                  Not Sure

6205 - Wendy/Little Honda (05/74)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation          Not Sure
     Blue (A prefix)               Not Sure
     Blue (X prefix)          I can confirm this one.  I have it.
     Purple                     Not Sure

6259 - Barbara Ann/Little Honda (06/78)
     Tan (dome logo)        Not Sure



I think it's fair to say, that those which appear to NOT have been issued, were STILL issued, but in such limited quantities, they simply came out and disappeared.  I was lucky to be able to go to a local record store, where I knew the owner..and he would order up all of them for me..when a new label variation came out.  He also had a huge supply of other Beach Boys singles from the past..so..he would also put aside anything I hadn't seen before.  I was able to have "first pick".  But hell, this was about 15-20 years ago..and now you can't find a record store to save your ass.  It's a shame really.  It's all about DOWNLOAD DOWNLOAD DOWNLOAD.

Give me a 7" Vinyl Record anytime.

Hope this helps.  On the other list, I can confirm everything to be correct.  There was only one I didn't have in my collection.  I forgot now.

Dogbone :thud


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 19, 2009, 02:35:17 AM
HEY DOGBONE MY WIFE THANKS YOU. SORTA.  I'VE BEEN TOO DISTRACTED BY THIS STARLINE  TO TEND TO MY OTHER DUTIES.
ANYWAY WE HAVE A LOT IN COMMON  AND SO DOES BEACH HEAD AS WELL AND JEFF WHEREVER HE DISAPPEARED TO.  I WANT TO SEND YOU ALL THE  STARLINE LABELS I HAVE DOGBONE .  HERE'S MY EMAIL TOKENSURFER53@GMAIL.COM  I HAVE  OTHER LABEL VARIATIONS. YOU STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN AROUND TO THAT CANADIAN BLUEBIRDS RED & ORANGE TARGET WHICH IS HARD TO BELIEVE.  I HAVE THE FOLLOWING VARIATIONS 
YELLOW SWIRL
 I GET AROUND RIDGES
CAL GIRLS RIDGES
BAR ANN RIDGES
SURFIN USA  7 DIFFERENT LABEL VARIATIONS
CAP4932 SURFINUSA(CHUCKBERRY)THICKFONT.jpg
CAP4932 SURFINUSA(CHUCKBERRY(THINFONT).jpg
CAP4932 SURFINUSA(BW)THINFONT.jpg
CAP4932 SURFINUSA(BW)prodbyNICKVENET(THINFONT).jpg
CAP4932 SURFINUSA(BW).jpg
CAP4932 SHUTDOWN(BWROGERCHRISTIAN)THINFONT.jpg
CAP4932 SHUTDOWN(BWROGERCHRISTIAN)THICKFONT.jpg
CAP4932 SHUTDOWN(BW)THICKFONT.jpg
CAP4932 SHUTDOWN(BW)prodbyNickVenet(THINFONT).jpg
CAP4932 SHUTDOWN(BW).jpg
PLUS A TON MORE
TOUGHEST ONE FOR ME TO FIND WAS THE CHUCK BERRY THIN FONT.  I HAVE OVER 150 YELLOW SWIRLS . I DIDN'T MESS AROUND WHEN IT CAME TO THE BB.
AND IF YOU DO FIND  WHEN IGUP OR WENDY ON PURPLE. THEN I'LL JUST KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT AND WHITHER AWAY  CUZ I THOUGHT I KNEW MY STARLINES. THERE'S NO POINT IN SCANNING STARLINES THAT ARE ALREADY SCANNED DOGBONE. THAT'S WHY IF I SEND YOU WHAT I ALREADY HAVE THEN YOU CAN FILL IN THE BLANKS . IT'LL BE EASIER ON YOU THAT WAY. DON'T YOU THINK DOGBONE.  AND DO YOU HAVE THE TEN LITTLE INDIANS RED & WHITE


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 19, 2009, 03:28:12 AM
JUST GREAT  JUST WHEN I HOPED THE RED & WHITE TARGET WOULD BE SIMPLE. NOT.  I WENT THRU MINE AND LO AND BEHOLD THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO DIFFERENT VARIATIONS. I HAVE 3 BE TRUE TO  6059 RED & WHITE ONE HAS WHITE PRINTING DOWN AT THE BOTTOM AND THE OTHER HAS BLACK PRINTING.  SG 6107 HAS BLACK PRINT AND DDD6106  HAS WHITE AT THE BOTTOM. I GOT TO START PAYING  ATTENTION.  MINE ARE ALL SCANNED AND READY TO GO.  LOOK CLOSELY AT YOUR RED & WHITE TARGET DOGBONE.  THE 6132 HAS BLACK PRINT OF COURSE THAT'S THE LAST ONE . BUT THAT MADE ME CHECK THE OTHERS TO SEE IF THEY ALL HAD BLACK PRINT . I GUESS NOT.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 19, 2009, 04:22:26 AM
You scanned everything, Tokensurfer, wow,, must have taken some time. I've noticed the variation (black / white lettering at the bottom) as well. Looks like the number of variations is huge.

I guess you're going to send the scans with e-mail. But may I suggest an alternative?
If you use an upload-service, you can send the package as a whole.
- pack all your scans into one zip-file (or rar-file)
- Surf to www.sendspace.com
- browse to the zip-file you're going to upload
- also fill in your e-mailaddress and the addres you'd like to send the download-link to (not necessary btw)
- agree to the terms of service
- send

After uploading you'll receive a download-link, both on the webpage and (if you've filled in an e-mailaddress) on your e-mail.

With that link anyone that receives the link from you can download the zip-file.

But if you prefer e-mail, no problem either (might take more time).


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Beach Head on May 19, 2009, 09:35:59 AM
Revision #1 of THE LIST:

6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room (08/65)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6060 - Ten Little Indians/She Knows Me Too Well (08/65)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target

6081 - Help Me, Rhonda/Do You Wanna Dance? (07/66)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6094 - Surfin’ U.S.A./Shut Down (10/66)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6095 - Surfin’ Safari/409 (10/66)
     Green Swirl
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun (06/67)
     Light Green (promo)
     Red/White Target
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband

6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love (06/67)
     Light Green (promo)
     Red/White Target
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6107 - Surfer Girl/Little Deuce Coupe (06/67)
     Light Green (promo)
     Red/White Target
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6132 - Good Vibrations/Barbara Ann (12/69)
     Red/White Target
     Tan (C logo)

6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well (05/74)
     Tan (C logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)

6205 - Wendy/Little Honda (05/74)
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband

6259 - Barbara Ann/Little Honda (06/78)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6277 - Little Saint Nick/The Lord’s Prayer (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6280 - I Get Around/Don't Worry Baby (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6289 - California Girls/Let Him Run Wild (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6295 - Sloop John B/You're So Good To Me (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6330 - Good Vibrations/Wouldn't It Be Nice (??/83)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

--------------------

And the updated "WANT LIST":

6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room (08/65)
     Blue (A prefix)

6095 - Surfin’ Safari/409 (10/66)
     Red/White Target
     Tan (dome logo)

6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun (06/67)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Purple

6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love (06/67)
     Blue (A prefix)

6107 - Surfer Girl/Little Deuce Coupe (06/67)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation

6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well (05/74)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6205 - Wendy/Little Honda (05/74)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Blue (A prefix)
     Purple

6259 - Barbara Ann/Little Honda (06/78)
     Tan (dome logo)

It now seems likely that most, if not all, of the variations on the "Want List" do exist; we just have to find and confirm them.  Dogbone's confirmation that a Blue label copy exists of 6205 (Wendy/Little Honda) would seem to indicate that it's never gone out of print, despite the duplication between it and 6259 (Barbara Ann/Little Honda). With more focused searching, I bet we'll turn up a Purple label copy of it, too. The only major question I still have is whether 6204 (When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well) remained in print as long as all the rest, since we have no confirmation of it on the Rainbow Colorband or Purple labels.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 19, 2009, 03:00:31 PM
JUST GREAT  JUST WHEN I HOPED THE RED & WHITE TARGET WOULD BE SIMPLE. NOT.  I WENT THRU MINE AND LO AND BEHOLD THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO DIFFERENT VARIATIONS. I HAVE 3 BE TRUE TO  6059 RED & WHITE ONE HAS WHITE PRINTING DOWN AT THE BOTTOM AND THE OTHER HAS BLACK PRINTING.  SG 6107 HAS BLACK PRINT AND DDD6106  HAS WHITE AT THE BOTTOM. I GOT TO START PAYING  ATTENTION.  MINE ARE ALL SCANNED AND READY TO GO.  LOOK CLOSELY AT YOUR RED & WHITE TARGET DOGBONE.  THE 6132 HAS BLACK PRINT OF COURSE THAT'S THE LAST ONE . BUT THAT MADE ME CHECK THE OTHERS TO SEE IF THEY ALL HAD BLACK PRINT . I GUESS NOT.

Hey Token--

Yes, I am aware of the different variations on the Red and White Target  Some have black at the bottom and some have white...and there are many variations on the font as well.  I believe I have SURFIN' USA with at least 2-3 different fonts, and HELP ME, RHONDA.  It's the same on the GREEN STARLINE SWIRL.  TEN LITTLE INDIANS/SHE KNOWS ME TOO WELL--I have at least 2, maybe 3 different fonts.  Same with SURFIN' SAFARI and HELP ME RHONDA on that label.  The variations are "endless".

As for your offer to send me all the JPEGS...I see below that SMILE HOLLAND has suggested you use the SENDSPACE, after you make a ZIP file of everything.  When you have that link made up...perhaps you can post it...and I'll take a look, and I'll make an effort to scan anything you don't have.  This might be easier in the long run.  I have a whole box (probably 100-150 different) of Starlines, with some duplicates, and some of the variations on the same issue.   Either way..it'll also take me some time to check, and to determine which ones I have...that are not on your list.  I think doing it like this, will save us both some time.

What do you think??

Dogbone
 



Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: JeffRetro on May 19, 2009, 04:53:57 PM
Hey, I'm still here (just felt very much under the weather over the weekend though I kept up on reading everyone else's posts).

Here's the remaining green swirl and red/white target photos/scans I have.  The two green swirls are both L.A. pressings.  Capitol changed their fonts in 1968, and I believe the "DDD" and "FFF" targets are L.A. pressings with the GV being an East Coast pressing.  The GV is the only one to have the "Subsidiary" text around the rim, so it dates from July 1968 or after (though we know this didn't come out until 12/29/69 anyway), while the other two are pre-July '68.  As far as the black rim printing, it only shows up on the "Subsidiary" labels and may well be different pressing plants using different printers (I live in L.A. and have rarely seen any black text labels around here by any group - not the the BB's - so i'm guessing the black text might be an East Coast pressing):

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff89/lostjukebox/BSo25QB2kKGrHgoOKkYEjlLmY4pPBKEJyGQ.jpg)

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff89/lostjukebox/6081.jpg)

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff89/lostjukebox/6105.jpg)

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff89/lostjukebox/6106.jpg)

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff89/lostjukebox/6132.jpg)


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: JeffRetro on May 19, 2009, 05:30:15 PM
Now we have to catalog the Sea of Tunes/Irving Music differences.  :)

The sale of Sea of Tunes took place about November 1969, but it took Capitol years to correct it on their label copy.  For example, this copy of "California Girls" on the orange label, which came into use around the summer of 1972:

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff89/lostjukebox/8e29_1.jpg)

As far as I can tell from what I've seen the changeover to Irving Music on the label itself took place probably at different times for different releases depending on when a new presssing was warranted, but that they all changed over while on the tan "C" Capitol logo label.  Does that sound right?

And then after that we'll have to compile a list on the blue label Starlines of which ones have Stereo, Mono, or neither listed on them.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 19, 2009, 07:59:26 PM
HEY DOGBONE MY WIFE THANKS YOU. SORTA. 

YOU STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN AROUND TO THAT CANADIAN BLUEBIRDS RED & ORANGE TARGET WHICH IS HARD TO BELIEVE.    

DO YOU HAVE THE TEN LITTLE INDIANS RED & WHITE


Give my regards to the wife..Hope you weren't to hard on her!!

The Canadian "Bluebirds" on Red and Orange Target--As I said on my other post, I didn't get it off Ebay.  Someone outbidded me at the last minute.  So I don't have it....but I'll look.  Wish I would've saved the JPEG on the Ebay Listing.

As for "Ten Little Indians" on the RED & WHITE Starline.  Yes, I do have it.  It's really not too difficult to find.  I've seen copies on Ebay as recently as a few weeks ago.  You just have to keep your eye out. 

One other thing I'd like to see done..is to see where SURFIN' b/w LUAU came out in the world.

I know of all the US ISSUES, X, Candix 301, 331, Promo  etc...

I know of the ARIOLA Issue in Germany.  I think the A-side is the alternate SURFIN' SAFARI b/w LUAU..am I wrong?

I know of the LONDON Records Issue in Canada.  Blue Label, with Silver Print...has a different #  602?? 

And I know of an Issue in SOUTH AFRICA...but label escapes me.  I.B.C. Records??

There's the US  ERA Issues...I believe it's SURFIN' b/w SURFIN' SAFARI  Era 041, and SURFER GIRL b/w THE FREEZE by Tony and Jo...Era 042...might have the combinations and numbers wrong..(Off the top of my head)

There's the COLLECTIBLES Black Label...Surfin' b/w Laugh Laugh (Beau Brummels)...COL 5130  (Again, off the top of my head..at work).

TRIP Label....Yellow Label, Pink Label, Yellow with Red area, Black with Silver Font etc..   usually SURFIN' b/w SURFIN' SAFARI

ORIGINAL SOUND label...Surfin' with some other artist as the B-side...can't remember.

There's a couple other US labels I think..as well. 

I'm at work, and typing this all from memory.  Anyway...I'm just curious to see how many places the SURFIN' b/w LUAU combination exists, and also where SURFIN' SAFARI (Hite Morgan Version) and SURFER GIRL (Hite Morgan Version) exist as well and were issued on 7" Vinyl.

One more.

Japanese issue of SURFIN b/w SURFIN USA or SURFIN' SAFARI....I believe.

Yes, we're focusing on the STARLINES for now...but just something else to think about to make us all crazy.

Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 19, 2009, 10:18:53 PM
SOUNDS GOOD DOGBONE ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT. AND JEFF GOOD TO SEE YOU BACK IN THE SADDLE.  CAN  YOU CONCENTRATE ON THE GREEN SWIRL THE REST OF THEM I'VE GOT THE RED & WHITE COVERED.  ALL BUT ONE IS NEAR MINT ON THE LABEL.  I'LL TRY AND DO WHAT DOGBONE AND SMILE SUGGESTED IN POSTING THRU THERE
BTW JEFF THIS IS WHAT I GOT ON THE RED & WHITE TARGET. SURFIN USA  HAS THE SUBSIDIARY IN BLACK PRINT LIKE GOOD VIBES.  THE SURFER GIRL R&W HAS BLACK PRINT BUT NO SUBSIDIARY MENTIONED . IT'S LIKE THE WHITE ONE ONLY IT'S BLACK. GEE I SOUND LIKE THAT LADY ON ARCHIE WHEN SHE TRIED TO EXPLAIN RACISM.  I HOPE I DIDN'T CONFUSE ANYONE.
ANYWAY BE TRUE TYS R&W ONE IS WHITE THE OTHER IS BLACK BUT IDENTICAL TO THE WHITE.  I KNEW  I GOOD MAKE THIS CONFUSING.
NOW SMILE  OR JEFF SHOULD DO A VOTE ON WHAT CONFIGURATION WE SHOULD USE  IN  PRESENTING THE STARLINE. 
DO YOU GUYS WANT IT ALL GREEN SWIRL TOGETHER AND R&W AND TAN  BROWN ALL TOGETHER THEN THE BLUE  AND RNBW THEN PURPLE . OR DO YOU WANT  IT TO  GO BY TITLE WITH EACH DIFFERENT STARLINE  SHOWN FOR THAT TITLE . THAT'S THE TWO WAYS  I KNOW THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.  IF THERE'S A THIRD SUGGESTION BY ALL MEANS.  BUT WE SHOULD DECIDE AS A TEAM  WHICH WAY WE SHOULD DO IT.  EVERYONE ON BOARD ON THAT SUGGESTION.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 19, 2009, 11:10:12 PM
LOL  DOGBONE I JUST GOT IT ON THE SECOND READING   DON'T BE TO HARD ON HER.  I'M A LITTLE SLOW  BUT   AT LEAST  I GOT IT THE SECOND TIME AROUND.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 19, 2009, 11:20:24 PM
OK JEFF I GET IT THAT'S IT AS FAR AS WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE GREEN SWIRL AND R & W.  AND NOT SO FAST ON FIGURING OUT THAT MESS.  I'LL SEND YOU A COPY OF LITTLE DEUCE COUPE CAP C TAN LABEL SEA OF TUNES  TO YOUR EMAIL.  THOUGH I'VE GOT IT ON YOUTUBE TOKENBEACHBOY54 AS YOU KNOW.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 20, 2009, 12:14:21 AM
One other thing I'd like to see done..is to see where SURFIN' b/w LUAU came out in the world.
...
I know of the ARIOLA Issue in Germany.  I think the A-side is the alternate SURFIN' SAFARI b/w LUAU..am I wrong?

nope, you're right.


And I know of an Issue in SOUTH AFRICA...but label escapes me.  I.B.C. Records??

RRC or RCC. Surfin' Safari paired with Luau. I have it at home, includes the original companysleeve. IIRC it's the same 45 as the original Canadian Release. (= not Hite Morgan). Need a scan?

btw, I can mention that Surfin'/Luau wasn't released in The Netherlands. First BB release here was Surfin' Safari / 409.


There's the US  ERA Issues...I believe it's SURFIN' b/w SURFIN' SAFARI  Era 041, and SURFER GIRL b/w THE FREEZE by Tony and Jo...Era 042...might have the combinations and numbers wrong..(Off the top of my head)
There's the COLLECTIBLES Black Label...Surfin' b/w Laugh Laugh (Beau Brummels)...COL 5130  (Again, off the top of my head..at work).
TRIP Label....Yellow Label, Pink Label, Yellow with Red area, Black with Silver Font etc..   usually SURFIN' b/w SURFIN' SAFARI
ORIGINAL SOUND label...Surfin' with some other artist as the B-side...can't remember.
There's a couple other US labels I think..as well. 

A lot of them are mentioned in the Surf's Up book. I think the Era reissue was the first in a long series of "Hite Morgan sessions" reissues.
Surfin' / Surfin' Safari = ERA 043
Surfer Girl / The Freeze (Tony & Jo) = ERA 042

Got these recently on Ebay, and other re-issues also regularly pop-up. One simply has to check from time to time.


I'm at work, and typing this all from memory.  Anyway...I'm just curious to see how many places the SURFIN' b/w LUAU combination exists, and also where SURFIN' SAFARI (Hite Morgan Version) and SURFER GIRL (Hite Morgan Version) exist as well and were issued on 7" Vinyl.

Yes, we're focusing on the STARLINES for now...but just something else to think about to make us all crazy.

I think the other re-issues should definitely be discussed in a future thread. But at the moment Starline alone makes me crazy enough.  :p


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 20, 2009, 12:55:34 AM
SOUNDS GOOD DOGBONE ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT. AND JEFF GOOD TO SEE YOU BACK IN THE SADDLE.  CAN  YOU CONCENTRATE ON THE GREEN SWIRL THE REST OF THEM I'VE GOT THE RED & WHITE COVERED.  ALL BUT ONE IS NEAR MINT ON THE LABEL.  I'LL TRY AND DO WHAT DOGBONE AND SMILE SUGGESTED IN POSTING THRU THERE
BTW JEFF THIS IS WHAT I GOT ON THE RED & WHITE TARGET. SURFIN USA  HAS THE SUBSIDIARY IN BLACK PRINT LIKE GOOD VIBES.  THE SURFER GIRL R&W HAS BLACK PRINT BUT NO SUBSIDIARY MENTIONED . IT'S LIKE THE WHITE ONE ONLY IT'S BLACK. GEE I SOUND LIKE THAT LADY ON ARCHIE WHEN SHE TRIED TO EXPLAIN RACISM.  I HOPE I DIDN'T CONFUSE ANYONE.
ANYWAY BE TRUE TYS R&W ONE IS WHITE THE OTHER IS BLACK BUT IDENTICAL TO THE WHITE.  I KNEW  I GOOD MAKE THIS CONFUSING.
NOW SMILE  OR JEFF SHOULD DO A VOTE ON WHAT CONFIGURATION WE SHOULD USE  IN  PRESENTING THE STARLINE. 
DO YOU GUYS WANT IT ALL GREEN SWIRL TOGETHER AND R&W AND TAN  BROWN ALL TOGETHER THEN THE BLUE  AND RNBW THEN PURPLE . OR DO YOU WANT  IT TO  GO BY TITLE WITH EACH DIFFERENT STARLINE  SHOWN FOR THAT TITLE . THAT'S THE TWO WAYS  I KNOW THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.  IF THERE'S A THIRD SUGGESTION BY ALL MEANS.  BUT WE SHOULD DECIDE AS A TEAM  WHICH WAY WE SHOULD DO IT.  EVERYONE ON BOARD ON THAT SUGGESTION.

I don't really mind which method we use as long as the scans/pictures are described as complete as possible.
So when you save a picture please mention label-type, reg.nr., pressingplant and if necessary font-variations or specific remarks (like Ronda/Rhonda)

So for instance:
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff89/lostjukebox/6081.jpg)

= starline green 6081 LA.jpg (or something like that)

That way it's easier to catagorise all scans and pictures.



EDIT:
Reading the methods again, I'd prefer "ordered by type of label" (green, red-target, etc) and within those the different variations, pressing plants. But that's just me. That way we can also order it in the right time-line (which is difficult enough I guess).


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 20, 2009, 01:01:55 AM
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff89/lostjukebox/BSo25QB2kKGrHgoOKkYEjlLmY4pPBKEJyGQ.jpg)

I was already thinking of this, and Jeff's scan shown here made me decide to suggest this as well.

Is it possible to get a good overview of the company-sleeves that were used for each Starline re-issue?

(and please don't tell me that there many variations on those as well...  :ahh  )


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 20, 2009, 01:35:55 AM
And I know of an Issue in SOUTH AFRICA...but label escapes me.  I.B.C. Records??

RRC or RCC. Surfin' Safari paired with Luau. I have it at home, includes the original companysleeve. IIRC it's the same 45 as the original Canadian Release. (= not Hite Morgan). Need a scan?


btw, I can mention that Surfin'/Luau wasn't released in The Netherlands. First BB release here was Surfin'' Safari / 409.
---------------------------------------------

Hello Smile--

I assume you mean this one for the South African copy.  I copied these jpegs from an EBAY listing a few months ago.  I never bid on it.  I simply forgot.  Is this the copy you have??  If so..is the SURFIN' SAFARI side the same version as the GERMAN Ariola single?  Or the common US Hite Morgan one which is on all the reissues??

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2vkaq0g.jpg)

(http://i43.tinypic.com/16249zd.jpg)


As for the Canadian issue, I have it on a BLUE LONDON Label...Surfin' b/w Luau I believe...can you scan the Canadian one you mention?  I'm curious.

As for the others...I'm curious to know how many different ones there are.  On the TRIP label..there's at least 5-6 varieties I know about.  But we'll explore these later..I think it's a good idea now to stick to the Starline stuff.

I have a lot of the STARLINES in MINT condition.  One of the few I have that isn't mint, was the GV/BA 6132....most of the others I have with most labels without writing or stickers or rips or wear.  So..TOKEN, with this in mind, when I see yours, I'll dig out mine, and if I have a cleaner copy..I'll try to get it scanned for you.

Is there a permanent place we can set up a website at??   Does anyone know how we'd do it??
Maybe called it  www.beachboysUSAStarlines.com   Now, that could be fun.

Dogbone



Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 20, 2009, 02:17:15 AM
SOUNDS GOOD DOGBONE ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.

(These are my answers in YELLOW--DOGBONE      Ok...Whatever works best.  I think it'll be easier for me, at least, to fill in any thing that might be missing.  If this becomes a hassle for you...then we'll try something else


AND JEFF GOOD TO SEE YOU BACK IN THE SADDLE.  CAN  YOU CONCENTRATE ON THE GREEN SWIRL THE REST OF THEM I'VE GOT THE RED & WHITE COVERED.  ALL BUT ONE IS NEAR MINT ON THE LABEL.

Which one does NOT have the MINT label??  If Jeff doesn't have it, I may have it.


 I'LL TRY AND DO WHAT DOGBONE AND SMILE SUGGESTED IN POSTING THRU THERE
BTW JEFF THIS IS WHAT I GOT ON THE RED & WHITE TARGET. SURFIN USA  HAS THE SUBSIDIARY IN BLACK PRINT LIKE GOOD VIBES.  THE SURFER GIRL R&W HAS BLACK PRINT BUT NO SUBSIDIARY MENTIONED . IT'S LIKE THE WHITE ONE ONLY IT'S BLACK. GEE I SOUND LIKE THAT LADY ON ARCHIE WHEN SHE TRIED TO EXPLAIN RACISM.  I HOPE I DIDN'T CONFUSE ANYONE.
ANYWAY BE TRUE TYS R&W ONE IS WHITE THE OTHER IS BLACK BUT IDENTICAL TO THE WHITE.  I KNEW  I GOOD MAKE THIS CONFUSING.


On the RED and WHITE--we all know about the different variations on the bottom edge printing....so..when you have yours together, both Jeff and myself can add other variations to it.  As I said, I have some with 2-3 different FONT types.  So, there may be more than a few variations on each release.  I'm prepared for this, and will be happy to provide any additional variations, as long as my scanner doesn't go KA-BOOM!!

NOW SMILE  OR JEFF SHOULD DO A VOTE ON WHAT CONFIGURATION WE SHOULD USE  IN  PRESENTING THE STARLINE. 
DO YOU GUYS WANT IT ALL GREEN SWIRL TOGETHER AND R&W AND TAN  BROWN ALL TOGETHER THEN THE BLUE  AND RNBW THEN PURPLE . OR DO YOU WANT  IT TO  GO BY TITLE WITH EACH DIFFERENT STARLINE  SHOWN FOR THAT TITLE . THAT'S THE TWO WAYS  I KNOW THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.  IF THERE'S A THIRD SUGGESTION BY ALL MEANS.  BUT WE SHOULD DECIDE AS A TEAM  WHICH WAY WE SHOULD DO IT.  EVERYONE ON BOARD ON THAT SUGGESTION.



I vote for putting all the GREEN SWIRL together, then all the RED AND WHITE TARGET, the TAN "C" with no ALL RIGHT RESERVE NOTATIONS...etc.  It can also be done the other way...even though I put all the same labels together..so I know which ones I may need for that Label, rather than which titled.  Any others have thoughts?



And some more stuff for you Token--

Taking Beach Head's list, and what I have in my book and some things I "think" I have (as listed)...Here is a basic list of what I have....and do know..on many of the GREEN SWIRL and RED and WHITE  and TAN Browns..i have more than one copy of these releases, and many have different fonts and variations.  It'll take some time for me to round up everything and be a bit more specific about the variations.  But I think we need to do this in chunks..as we've talked about.  I'm pressed for time, and my scanner is sh*t as I've said, but I will do all I can to provide anything I can..to make this endeavour as complete as possible.  And I do know that there are some things which we all agree may not even exist.  Perhaps..some of the other collectors who are following this thread could step forward and confirm some of the things I have mark as "May not exist" on my list.

So here is every title I do have and unlike Beach Head's list..I've listed these by EACH LABEL....and again, as I said, there are some of these where I have more than 1 or 2 copies, and this may mean, in some cases,  a slight label variatiion, and perhaps a different pressing plant as well.  I'm just going to need a bit of time to start looking at them a bit more closer...that's the time consuming part!!  I'll do my best.

Here you go:  This is based on Beach Head's list and the things I confirmed on his want list, and I've listed them by LABELS, rather than by titles of the songs:


Green Swirl


6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room                     
6060 - Ten Little Indians/She Knows Me Too Well      
6081 - Help Me, Rhonda/Do You Wanna Dance?             
6094 - Surfin’ U.S.A./Shut Down                                       
6095 - Surfin’ Safari/409                              Should have it. Not Sure

_______________________________
Light Green (promo)

6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun        
6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love             
6107 - Surfer Girl/Little Deuce Coupe                           Should have it. Not Sure

________________________________
Red/White Target

6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room                       
6060 - Ten Little Indians/She Knows Me Too Well            
6081 - Help Me, Rhonda/Do You Wanna Dance?              
6094 - Surfin’ U.S.A./Shut Down   
6095 - Surfin’ Safari/409                                            Should have it. Not Sure                               
6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun            
6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love              
6107 - Surfer Girl/Little Deuce Coupe                                
6132 - Good Vibrations/Barbara Ann                                  

_______________________________
Tan (C logo) 
(Of the ones I have Not sure if label says "ALL RIGHTS RESERVE
              some do, some don't--have to check them)

6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room                        
6081 - Help Me, Rhonda/Do You Wanna Dance?                 
6094 - Surfin’ U.S.A./Shut Down                                             
6095 - Surfin’ Safari/409                                         Should have it. Not Sure
6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun               
6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love               
6107 - Surfer Girl/Little Deuce Coupe                                 
6132 - Good Vibrations/Barbara Ann                                   
6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well              
6205 - Wendy/Little Honda                                             
6259 - Barbara Ann/Little Honda                                     

__________________________________
Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved”notation 
 (WE know these exist per BEACH HEAD'S LIST)
(See above..some of my C Logo’s may have this notation will check)

6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room
6081 - Help Me, Rhonda/Do You Wanna Dance?   
6094 - Surfin’ U.S.A./Shut Down
6095 - Surfin’ Safari/409
6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love
6259 - Barbara Ann/Little Honda

Not Sure:
6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun
6107 - Surfer Girl/Little Deuce Coupe
6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well   MAY BE ONE I HAVE
__________________________________
Tan (dome logo)

6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room          
6081 - Help Me, Rhonda/Do You Wanna Dance?                 
6094 - Surfin’ U.S.A./Shut Down   
6095 - Surfin’ Safari/409                                            Should have it. Not Sure
6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun               
6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love               
6107 - Surfer Girl/Little Deuce Coupe                                  
6205 - Wendy/Little Honda                                                    

Not Sure these even exist on this label:
6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well   May not exist
6259 - Barbara Ann/Little Honda                              May not exist   
___________________________________
Blue (A prefix)

6081 - Help Me, Rhonda/Do You Wanna Dance?                 
6094 - Surfin’ U.S.A./Shut Down             
6095 - Surfin’ Safari/409                
6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun   
6107 - Surfer Girl/Little Deuce Coupe          
6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well       
6259 - Barbara Ann/Little Honda             
6277 - Little Saint Nick/The Lord’s Prayer         
6280 - I Get Around/Don't Worry Baby          
6289 - California Girls/Let Him Run Wild          
6295 - Sloop John B/You're So Good To Me       

Not Sure these even exist on this label:
6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room                     May not exist
6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love             May not exist
___________________________________
Blue (X prefix)

6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room       
6081 - Help Me, Rhonda/Do You Wanna Dance?       
6094 - Surfin’ U.S.A./Shut Down             
6095 - Surfin’ Safari/409                
6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun       
6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love       
6107 - Surfer Girl/Little Deuce Coupe            
6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well      
6205 - Wendy/Little Honda               
6259 - Barbara Ann/Little Honda             
6277 - Little Saint Nick/The Lord’s Prayer         
6280 - I Get Around/Don't Worry Baby          
6289 - California Girls/Let Him Run Wild                 
6295 - Sloop John B/You're So Good To Me       
____________________________________
Rainbow Colorband

6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room                      
6081 - Help Me, Rhonda/Do You Wanna Dance?      
6094 - Surfin’ U.S.A./Shut Down             
6095 - Surfin’ Safari/409                
6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun
6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love       
6107 - Surfer Girl/Little Deuce Coupe          
6205 - Wendy/Little Honda                
6259 - Barbara Ann/Little Honda             
6277 - Little Saint Nick/The Lord’s Prayer         
6280 - I Get Around/Don't Worry Baby          
6289 - California Girls/Let Him Run Wild          
6295 - Sloop John B/You're So Good To Me          
6330 - Good Vibrations/Wouldn't It Be Nice          

Not Sure this even exists on this label
6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well      May not exist
___________________________________
Purple

6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room
6081 - Help Me, Rhonda/Do You Wanna Dance?       
6094 - Surfin’ U.S.A./Shut Down             
6095 - Surfin’ Safari/409                
6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love       
6107 - Surfer Girl/Little Deuce Coupe          
6259 - Barbara Ann/Little Honda             
6277 - Little Saint Nick/The Lord’s Prayer          
6280 - I Get Around/Don't Worry Baby          
6289 - California Girls/Let Him Run Wild          
6295 - Sloop John B/You're So Good To Me          
6330 - Good Vibrations/Wouldn't It Be Nice          

Not Sure this even exists on this label:
6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun       May not exist
6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well      May not exist

=====================


I did it like this, as it may be easier to get each group together, and then start filling in the blanks.  I would personally like to see it done this way..as I think it's easier to look at, and then see what might be missing. 

With the Holiday weekend coming up..I'm going to go through about 10 boxes of Beach Boys singles I have..and pull out any other STARLINES I have, which are not in my STARLINE box already.  I'm pretty sure, this list above will be all but complete, except for ONE or TWO, and  for those we all agree MAY not exist.

Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 20, 2009, 02:23:24 AM

I was already thinking of this, and Jeff's scan shown here made me decide to suggest this as well.

Is it possible to get a good overview of the company-sleeves that were used for each Starline re-issue?

(and please don't tell me that there many variations on those as well...  :ahh  )

Are you kidding?  There must be at least 10 different sleeves...well I know there's a lot.

Original STARLINE (like the one pictured on Jeff's scan)
Starline TARGET--some are RED, some are more ORANGE, and there's even a GREEN Variation
Grey (with Purple Starlines)
Black type (with BLUE)
Black (from the RAINBOW)
Silver (from various)

Well, that's eight of them..off the top of my head.

Dogbone :ahh


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 20, 2009, 02:26:45 AM
LOL  DOGBONE I JUST GOT IT ON THE SECOND READING   DON'T BE TO HARD ON HER.  I'M A LITTLE SLOW  BUT   AT LEAST  I GOT IT THE SECOND TIME AROUND.

Hey Token--

I had to go back and read it again!! LOL!!  I didn't even realize I had said that!!  HA HA HA!!

What I meant, is that I'm sure you've been telling your wife about all of this "new" information, and discovering others as warped as yourself about variations etc....  I meant, I hope you talking about all of this stuff wasn't making her crazy!!  You know??

Well...forgive me...even though it is funny.  I'm sure she thinks we're all a little nuts.

We are. Aren't we?

Dogbone :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 20, 2009, 03:49:53 AM
I assume you mean this one for the South African copy.  I copied these jpegs from an EBAY listing a few months ago.  I never bid on it.  I simply forgot.  Is this the copy you have??  If so..is the SURFIN' SAFARI side the same version as the GERMAN Ariola single?  Or the common US Hite Morgan one which is on all the reissues??

As for the Canadian issue, I have it on a BLUE LONDON Label...Surfin' b/w Luau I believe...can you scan the Canadian one you mention?  I'm curious.

Yep, that's the one, it looks like my copy is in a slightly better condition (the sleeve I mean), but it's definitely te same. From what I understood from another fan the South African pressing used the same versions as the original Canadian release.

But - sorry to disappoint you on that - unfortunately I don't have the Canadian release.


Is there a permanent place we can set up a website at??   Does anyone know how we'd do it??

Now that would be a good idea. O, if only had the knowledge to set-up something like that...


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 21, 2009, 04:51:09 PM
THERE SEEMS TO BE NO MORE THAN 4 DIFFERENT BROWN TAN AVAOCADO LABEL VARIATIONS MY SURFIN USA HAS 4 DIFF VARIATIONS. I COULD FIND NO MORE THAN THAT.  THAT WAS MY REASON FOR DOING THIS SO WE CAN PUT IT ON SOME SITE. I'LL FIGURE IT OUT SOMEHOW. I'VE GOT EVERYTHING SCANNED I DO HAVE DIFFERENT GREEN SWIRL VARAITIONS THAN JEFF HAS. SO THAT'S GOOD. BE TRUE SUFFIN USA AND TEN LITTLE INDIANS  CURIOUSLY THE RADIO STAION STAMPED DATE IT OCT 4 69 TEN LITTLE INDIANS GREEN SWIRL..


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 21, 2009, 10:00:35 PM
I HAVE TO DOWNLOAD A ZIP FILE FOR THIS MAC I JUST BOUGHT IT A FEW WEEKS AGO. I UNDERSTAND MY OLD MAC BETTER. IT HAS A ZIP. BUT THIS ONE DOESN'T. IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING. AND YES YOU GOTTA BE A LITTLE  BIT NUTS DOGBONE TO GET THIS DETAILED. DO YOU KNOW BEST OF VOL .1 STARLINE DOGBPNE OR ANYONE.  DOES ANYONE HAVE A PURPLE LABEL BEST OF.   I HAVE A RAINBOW AND PURPLE LABEL OF ENDLESS SUMMER. I SCANNED ALL THE CAPITOL LPS YRS AGO COVER AND LABEL.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 22, 2009, 09:00:20 PM
 HELLO  IS ANYBODY STILL AROUND . IT'S THE MEMORIAL DAY WEKEND IN THE STATES. SO I GUESS NOT. BUT THIS IS WHAT I FIGURED OUT.  I'M PUTTING IT ON FACEBOOK IT'S PERFECT FOR THIS KIND OF THING WE'RE DOING. I HAD TO USE TRIAL AND ERROR TO FIGURE IT OUT. BUT ONCE I DID IT'S WORKING THE WAY IT SHOULD. I'LL GIVE THE PASSWORD FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO CONTRIBUTE LIKE DOGBONE JEFF BEACH HEAD SMILE ETC...  IT'S A COMMUNITY BEACHBOYS SITE. I 'M NOT USING MY REAL NAME ON THEIR. AND I JUST WANT IT FOR ONLY THE BEACH BOYS.  YOU CAN PUT 200 PHOTOS IN EACH PHOTO ALBUM TITLE  WHICH WILL BE PERFECT FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING.  I'M TOKENSURFER ON THERE. AND IT'S TITLED BEACH BOYS STARLINE REISSUES. I'VE GOT THE GREEN AND RED & WHITE ON THERE. NEXT IS THE BROWN TAN AVOCADO. A LITTLE MORE OF A CHALLENGE. HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND TO OUR AMERICAN BRETHREN.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 22, 2009, 11:04:17 PM
And in the mean while I AM busy trying to built up a website. Don't expect a lot of high tech tricks, but it will be functional. I'll keep you updated...


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 22, 2009, 11:48:50 PM
I JUST DID IT ON FACE BOOK .  I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU LOOK ME UP ON FACEBOOK . EXCEPT FOR THE RNBW EVERYTHING ELSE IS ON THERE. I'M ABIT FRIED. CHECK MY NAME TOKENSURFER53 OR BEACH BOYS STARLINE REISSUES.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 23, 2009, 02:13:26 PM
Hello Everyone--

I am going through all of my boxes of Beach Boys' singles, getting all the STARLINE Stuff together.  And I've pulled out a few things. 

Token--Haven't had a chance to take a look at the stuff you've posted.  I do want to let you know, I think I have all the bugs out of my scanner.  I've been messing with it the last two days.  And with this in mind, I will make an attempt to scan ALL the RAINBOWS (A- and B-sides) for you..so you can add them to your display.  But again, it'll take some time..so be patient.  I've been testing it...as I did with these two scans below.

So for now..I wanted to share this one with SMILE HOLLAND--as we were discussing the Canadian issue of Surfin' b/w Luau, and he had mentioned that someone told him the "Canadian is like the South African one"--well..at least on the "Surfin' Safari b/w Luau" issue I on posted last week or so. 

This one's completely different--Check it out:

My copy has the sticker on it

(http://i44.tinypic.com/16hm2v6.jpg) 

I cleaned it up for anyone who wants to save it.  This is a doctored up version of it:

(http://i44.tinypic.com/m8g3s1.jpg)


And the Original B-side as is:


(http://i44.tinypic.com/2hfuueh.jpg)


NOTE:  The reference to the "Candix 301" issue.  And of course the "Hite Morgan" Production Credit.

And Token--I've pulled out a lot of my Canadian Starlines--some on Green Swirl, some on Tan...and there's also a lot of different variations.   

Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 23, 2009, 09:53:05 PM
I SEE WHAT YOU DID YOU BORROWED IT FROM LUAU TO FIX IT.. SORRY BUT I ALREADY SENT MY MINT LABEL AND VINYL OF SURFIN LONDON  TO SMILE .  I JUST THOUGHT I'D BRAG A LITTLE . I AM CANADIAN  SO I SHOULD HAVE A NICE COPY OF THAT ONE.  BUT YOU GOT ME BEAT ON ON THE RNBW STARLINES. AND THAT GOOD VIBES BROWN ONE. THAT ONE IS THE GEM OF ALL THE STARLINES. I APPRECIATE IT MORE SO  CUZ I'VE BEEN COLLECTING SINCE 68  AND THAT WAS MY FIRST DELETE/USED RECORD STORE I WENT TO IN MONTREAL. I HAD BOUGHT NEW BB SINGLES STARTING WITH GOOD VIBES.  BUT 68 WAS THE FIRST TIME I CONSCIOUSLY SOUGHT OUT USED 45;S AND DELETED LPS OF THE BB.   I HAVE SOME CANADIAN GREEN STARLINES ETC...  BUT OVERALL YOU HAVE  A MORE COMPLETE COLLECTION OF STARLINES THAN I DO. WHICH IS A GOOD THING BECAUSE BETWEEN THE TWO OF US AND JEFF'S KNOWLEDGE OF PRESSING PLANTS AND BEACH HEAD WE CAN GET A COMPLETE PICTURE.  MY FACEBOOK IS TOKENSURFER53 AND CLICK PROFILE  THEN CLICK THE BB STARLINE REISSUES SECTION AND YOU'VE GOT IT.  I HAVE LITTLE SAINT NICK RNBW TWICE PLUS 3 OTHERS.  SURFIN USA  CALIFORNIA  . I'LL HAVE TO CHECK.  I'LL BE PUTTING A KAZILLION OTHER STUFF LIKE PIC LEEVES AND THE DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF THAT. AND GOOD LUCK WITH THAT SCANNER. I HOPE IT DOES THE JOB.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 23, 2009, 10:07:21 PM
ONE MORE OBSCURE THING ABOUT STARLINE SLEEVES. I HAVE A WATER DAMAGED GLOSSY PLAIN WHITE SLEEVE. IT CAME WITH WENDY/LITTLE HONDA 6205 OR IS IT 4 CAPITOL DOME. ANYWAY I KNOW IT'S AN ORIGINAL . THE STORE I BOUGHT IT FROM WAS SELLING OLD NEW STOCK NOT USED BUT 45'S THAT STAYED ON THE SHELVES FOR YEARS. AND THERE WERE A BUNCH OF BB STARLINES SITTING THERE. SO THAT GLOSSY WHITE SLEEVE WAS USED FOR A BIT BEFORE THE BLUE STARLINE CAME IN.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 23, 2009, 11:13:01 PM
THE AMERICAN PICTURE SLEEVE COLLECTION IS ON DISPLAY FOR YOUR PERUSAL.  TOKENSURFER53 ON FACEBOOK THERE ARE SOME VARIATIONS TO EACH ONE. THE ONE I DO NOT HAVE IS HELP ME RHONDA BLUE BORDER RATHER THAN NORMAL GREEN BORDER. I HAVE SEEN IT PERSONALLY BACK IN THE 80'S. THE OTHER ONE THAT WILL NOT  COME THRU VERY WELL IS THE ROUGH TEXTURED MATTED FINISH OR THE SMOOTH TEXTURED OR GLOSSY FINISH.   BARBARA ANN HAS BOTH A MATTED FINISH AND A GLOSSY FINISH. I OWNED BOTH.  NOW I JUST HAVE THE GLOSSY.   I HAVE BOTH OF THE ROUGH TEXTURED MATTED FINISH OF BROTHER HEROES & VILLAINS AND  THE VERY RARE SMOOTH TEXTURED FINISH BOTH PICTURED ON MY FACEBOOK. THE ULTRA RARE SPIRIT OF AMERICA TITLE SLEEVE IS ALSO THERE IN LIVING COLOUR OR COLOR FOR THE U.S. PORTION OF OUR AUDIENCE. AND THE SCANS ARE TRUE TO THE COLOUR OF EACH SLEEVE. I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO MANIPULATE THE COLOUR BACK 5YRS AGO WHEN I DID IT.
ANY ADDITIONS ARE WELCOME  DOGBONE THE FLOOR IS YOURS. OR WHOMEVER ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO CONTRIBUTE.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 24, 2009, 05:20:38 AM
love the scans, dogbone, that Surfin' Luau 45 is priceless.

And it's definitely worth checking out Tokensurfer53's facebook website. Great pictures/scans of many rare Starline re-issues.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 24, 2009, 07:07:25 AM
THE ONE I DO NOT HAVE IS HELP ME RHONDA BLUE BORDER RATHER THAN NORMAL GREEN BORDER. I HAVE SEEN IT PERSONALLY BACK IN THE 80'S.

Are you sure you're not talking about the SLEEVE for WHEN I GROW UP ???   I mean..the RHONDA Sleeve--I've seen some sleeves which look slight pale green, which makes them look "bluer"..but I was not aware that there was actually a "Blue" version.  Will you check this out?  Cause WHEN I GROW UP..has a FOREST GREEN border, and also a variation with a TURQUOISE Border..I have both if this is the one you need.  I can scan it for you.


ANY ADDITIONS ARE WELCOME  DOGBONE THE FLOOR IS YOURS. OR WHOMEVER ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO CONTRIBUTE.

As soon as I have a chance to take a look and start comparing what you've posted to what I have...I'll start getting some scans to you.  I will little by little do the RAINBOW Starlines and what ever else you need.

I also found a lot of my Canadian Starlines...Most of the TAN label ones I have with multiple copies and same song, have different variations.  Another can of worms, Eh??

Thanks for all of your hard word, and I'll keep ya posted on what I will scan..

Dogbone




Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 24, 2009, 03:56:33 PM
Hello Token--

I had a chance to see ALL the labels!!  Looks great.  Now comes the hard part for me.  I can already see I have several variations to add!!!  So..I need to sit down, and get my stuff put together, so I can start making comparisons to see what I can add.

Would you be interested in any copy of something, which I have, which is "cleaner" than your copy?  I think I have some of the BLUE labels, which are much cleaner than a couple of the ones you posted.    Also, I do notice you have the 6132 TAN listed as both "tan" and "Avocado"...is this just to indicate to someone viewing, there might be both colors?  Also, saw how you cleaned up my 6132.  Looks a lot better!  Thanks for doing this.

Yes..on the SURFIN' / LUAU Canadian..Just took the top part of the LUAU label, and overlayed it on the SURFIN'  Look closely on the left side of the SURFIN'..it didn't quite fit perfectly...but still looks okay. 

And Token...Your effort is amazing.  Thanks for taking so much time to do this.  I did want to tell you..as I know you've mentioned it many times, I do not know that much about the BEST OF Vol 1, and Vol 2 and all the different STARLINE Labels used over the years.  I do know that the RECORD CLUB (you know..in magazines:  Buy 10 for $1.00 and we'll send them to you right away), had the BEST OF Vol 1. listed for YEARS!!  So...as you have already documented..there are lots of different labels for Vol 1, and possibly Vol 2.  I've never bothered....I once had a Sealed Original of Vol 2...but that was years ago.   And on the Vol 1, I have it on the Black Capitol with the Rainbow edge...which I believe doesn't even say STARLINE.  I think it became a STARLINE issue later on.  At first, it was just another release in the Beach Boys' catalog.  Does this sound correct to you??   I can dig out my copy to double check to see if it mentions STARLINE on the cover or the label.  I don't think it does.

Okay..time time time....gonna get my stuff together...and start comparing...

And I'll make some additions.

Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 24, 2009, 05:27:48 PM
YEA DOGBONE IF IT LOOKS BETTER BY ALL MEANS IT'S ALL GRAVY. HOW DOES THAT QUOTATION WORK.   I MADE A BOO BOO ON 6132 IT SHOULD READ TAN ONLY.  AND THERE'S STILL THAT ANNOYING 15 TO ERASE FROM GOOD VIBES.  THAT TAKES TIME. WE'VE BEEN SO FAR BEHIND THE BEATLES COLLECTORS WHEN IT COMES TO THE STARLINE AND OTHER VARIATIONS ON THE BB IT'S EMBARRASSING
I HAVE THESE RAINBOW
6094/6081/6106/6277
I PUT UP A PIC SLEEVE SECTION ON FACEBOOK. THERE'S ACTUALLY 3 DIFFERENT COLOUR/COLOR VARIATIONS TO WHEN I GROW UP. I HAVE ALL THREE ON THERE.  AND THE HELP ME RHONDA HAS A  DARK BLUE BORDER ON ONE SIDE AND A GREEN BORDER ON THE OTHER SIDE. IT'S AN ABERRATION  BUT A VERY COLLECTIBLE ONE.  BELIEVE ME YOU DON'T FORGET SOMETHING LIKE THAT.  THIS WAS FROM PETER REUM'S MASSIVE COLLECTION THAT TOOK 6 TRIPS TO SEE ALL OF IT.
ALL THE BEST OF VOL 1  COVERS MENTION STARLINE FROM CAPITOL. AND DOGBONE BECOME FRIENDS ON FACEBOOK WITH ME. JEFF AND SMILE HAVE ALREADY . I DON'T WHAT THAT MEANS EXACTLY.  BUT EVIDENTLY I CAN'T MAKE FRIENDS WITHOUT FACEBOOK. CAN YOU ADD PHOTOS ON MY SITE ONCE WE BECOME FRIENDS. I DON'T KNOW. ANYBODY?


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 25, 2009, 12:04:38 AM
AND DOGBONE BECOME FRIENDS ON FACEBOOK WITH ME. JEFF AND SMILE HAVE ALREADY . I DON'T WHAT THAT MEANS EXACTLY.  BUT EVIDENTLY I CAN'T MAKE FRIENDS WITHOUT FACEBOOK. CAN YOU ADD PHOTOS ON MY SITE ONCE WE BECOME FRIENDS. I DON'T KNOW. ANYBODY?

I don't think someone else can make additions on your account Tokensurfer, but if Dogbone could send you additional scans, then it should work out fine.

That tan-reissue series is a tough one.

C-logo or dome logo,
SOT or Irving
All Rights Reserved (or not)
MONO, STEREO, BINAURIAL STEREO
colour differences (both label and borders)
Typo's (like Ronda)

What makes me wonder: do all combinations occur? C-logo with SOT, or Irving; domo-logo with SOT and Irving... some of them with ARR, others not.

The combinations are endless... a hornet's nest...
This will be tough one to get a good overview off, but if we succeed, it'll be great!!


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 25, 2009, 03:32:01 AM

6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room (08/65)
     Tan (dome logo)      I can confirm this one.  I have it.
     Blue (A prefix)            Not Sure
     Blue (X prefix)          I can confirm this one.  I have it.

6095 - Surfin’ Safari/409 (10/66)
     Red/White Target      Might have this. Will have to dig for it.
                       >>>>>NOW I can confirm this one.  I have it.
     Tan (dome logo)        Might have this. Will have to dig for it.
                       >>>>>NOW I can confirm this one.  I have it.
     Blue (A prefix)              I can confirm this one.  I have it.
                       

6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun (06/67)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation   D     Not Sure
                          >>>>>NOW I can confirm this one.  I have it.
     Blue (A prefix)      I can confirm this one.  I have it.
     Purple                         Not Sure

6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love (06/67)
     Blue (A prefix)           Not Sure
     Blue (X prefix)      I can confirm this one.  I have it.

6107 - Surfer Girl/Little Deuce Coupe (06/67)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation         Not Sure
                    >>>>>NOW I can confirm this one.  I have it.
     Tan (dome logo)    I can confirm this one.  I have it.

6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well (05/74)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation         Not Sure
     Tan (dome logo)           Not Sure
     Rainbow Colorband        Not Sure
     Purple                                  Not Sure

6205 - Wendy/Little Honda (05/74)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation          Not Sure
     Blue (A prefix)               Not Sure
     Blue (X prefix)          I can confirm this one.  I have it.
     Purple                     Not Sure

6259 - Barbara Ann/Little Honda (06/78)
     Tan (dome logo)        Not Sure


Hope this helps.  On the other list, I can confirm everything to be correct.  There was only one I didn't have in my collection.  I forgot now.

Dogbone :thud


Hello Everyone--


Look above for my the NEW Stuff I can confirm exists.  I've HIGHLIGHTED THE NEW CONFIRMATIONS IN YELLOW!!!

I've got all of my STARLINES together now, except for 1 or 2, which I can't seem to locate.  I spent the last two days, going through about 10 boxes of Beach Boys' singles to find them all.  I have also taken a look (with the help of SMILE-HOLLAND) at all of the stuff TOKENSURFER has posted on his Facebook.  So, I've just started making some comparisons, and I can safely say, other than the whole collection of RAINBOW STARLINES, I have about 25-30 other STARLINE Variations to add to the posting.

But, this is only because I'm assuming TOKEN has posted everything he has on these labels:

GREEN SWIRL
LIME GREEN PROMOS
RED and WHITE TARGET
TAN (C-logo, C-logo with ARR, Dome)
BLUE (with X-prefix and A-prefix)
PURPLE

So TOKEN..other than the few you've mentioned on a post that you have...Are these all the variations you have???  I have a lot, which will fill the holes....but I just want to make sure, I'm clear.  I have quite a few variations, and I will make an effort to get many of them scanned and added to the folders. And we'll find a way to add them to your FACEBOOK.   Please advise if you have others to add.    I do also see, that in many cases, you only posted the A-side variation of a certain single, ie  HELP ME RHONDA b/w DO YOU WANNA DANCE....you might have only put the A-side of the TAN C-Logo without the All Rights Reserved notation.  Do we want to show both sides??  I mean, if it does exist??  We may need to discuss this...anyone have a feeling about it?  I know it's a lot of work...but it might make the whole endevour a bit more "complete" overall.  What do you all think?

Lastly, my eyesight is killing me..so it's difficult at times to see all the little notations on the space between the groove and labels.  So, I will post all the variations I have, and if Jeff wants to take a look at them, and possibly determine which factory...I can try to confirm the symbols I need to look for on this blank space between the grooves and the label.

I also found a couple of things, where the TITLES, FONTS, DETAILS and LABELS are EXACTLY the same, but looking a little closer..at the actual VINYL pressing...the space between the end of the main grooves and the outer edge of the label is say 3/4" on one pressing, and on the other it's 1/4"  in other words, the grooves are cut/spaced further apart using up more of the vinyl surface.  I may have to dig into this a little more..to see if the one that uses up more surface space is in fact MONO, and the other which uses less, is in fact STEREO.   How's that for another variation?

All of this is going to make SMILE-HOLLAND quite crazy.  And the rest of us..well, let's all commit ourselves to the local mental and insane asylum.

Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 25, 2009, 04:44:45 AM
OK LET'S SEE I HAVE OVER THE YRS ACCUMULATED LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF PHOTOS FROM EBAY AND VARIOUS SITES ON THE INTERNET SINCE 2002. SO I MAY HAVE STARLINES HIDING IN MY ARCHIVES AND I HAVE TO DIG THOSE OUT DIGITALLY. I FOUND SURFER GIRL WITH THE X PREFIX AND I JUST PUT IT ON THAT MAKES 3 VARIATIONS OF SURFER BLUE STARLINE. DOBBONE YOU WANT TO DO BOTH A AND B SIDES. .  I GUESS  SO BUT IT'S MORE WORK. OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN WORK ON THE BROWN. BUT I THINK I HAVE THE TEMPLATE FOR THE BROWN WITH SURFIN USA  4 VARIATIONS.  DO YOU DOGBONE HAVE MORE THAN 4 VARIATIONS FOR THE BROWN OF ANY TITLE.. OK HERE'S A LIST OF WHAT I CAN DO FOR THE FLIPSIDES
I DON 'T HAVE THESE BLUE FOR THE FLIPSIDE
6081 6295
AND NO BLUE 6059 6105 6106 6205
I CAN DO THE FLIPS FOR THE REST OF THE BLUE  IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ANGLING AT.   I CAN SEE YOU'VE PUT A LOT EFFORT IN DOCUMENTING WHAT YOU HAVE.  I THINK YOU HAVE TO BE MY FRIEND ON FACEBOOK THEN YOU CAN SEND ME AND SHARE PHOTOS WITH ME.  DID YOU CHECK MY PIC SLEEVES. IT'S AN EYE OPENER.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 25, 2009, 04:07:06 PM
I POSTED 7 CAPITOL STARLINES ON FACEBOOK   IT HAS ITS' OWN SECTION UNDER CAPITOL RAINBOW STARLINE.  I PUT UP YELLOW SWIRLS THE TITLES ARE TOGETHER BUT NOT EXACTLY IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER BUT KIND OF


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 25, 2009, 04:19:22 PM
Hey Token---

Let me add a few comments to answer some things on your last post. My responses are highlighted in YELLOW!!!


OK LET'S SEE I HAVE OVER THE YRS ACCUMULATED LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF PHOTOS FROM EBAY AND VARIOUS SITES ON THE INTERNET SINCE 2002. SO I MAY HAVE STARLINES HIDING IN MY ARCHIVES AND I HAVE TO DIG THOSE OUT DIGITALLY.

Yes, I've done this as well, and have a lot of things just as JPEGs, to remind me that they exist.  Some are good quality, some are garbage...and bearing this in mind, I would like to get all the scans as consistant as possible, especially where either of us have copies which can be scanned.  more below...

 I FOUND SURFER GIRL WITH THE X PREFIX AND I JUST PUT IT ON THAT MAKES 3 VARIATIONS OF SURFER BLUE STARLINE.

 I have a feeling, just like you adding another variation like this Surfer Girl..we'll be finding more and more things, as we go along. 

DOBBONE YOU WANT TO DO BOTH A AND B SIDES. .  I GUESS  SO BUT IT'S MORE WORK. OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN WORK ON THE BROWN. BUT I THINK I HAVE THE TEMPLATE FOR THE BROWN WITH SURFIN USA  4 VARIATIONS.  DO YOU DOGBONE HAVE MORE THAN 4 VARIATIONS FOR THE BROWN OF ANY TITLE..

Well, I know it's a lot of work...but at the same time, why are we taking the time to put all of this together?  Does it make sense to make it as complete as possible?  I know some of the label variations will apply to different titles, but if someone has a certain title, and wants to check it, even if it's a B-side...shouldn't we have a scan of it??  I don't believe I have more than 4 variations on the Brown Starline...I think you have it covered quite well, but I do have a few C-logo variations to add, and quite a few of the Dome-logo variations to add.  Why don't you wait, until I've added everything that I have, and perhaps, together, we can determine what others are still missing??  I think this will be the easiest way, and it'll reduce the scanning as well.

 OK HERE'S A LIST OF WHAT I CAN DO FOR THE FLIPSIDES
I DON 'T HAVE THESE BLUE FOR THE FLIPSIDE
6081 6295
AND NO BLUE 6059 6105 6106 6205
I CAN DO THE FLIPS FOR THE REST OF THE BLUE  IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ANGLING AT. 

On the BLUE issues with A prefix and X prefix, I have all of them...except these below:

Blue Label - A prefix
A-6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room                     May not exist
A-6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love             May not exist
A-6205 - Wendy/Little Honda                                           May not exist

Which we all agree on, so far, don't seem to exist, or no one's confirmed.  Let me go through and see which ones you've already posted, and I'll complete the scans, both a- and b- sides of the one I have.  No need for you to worry about adding those which you have.  I'll take care of it, little by little.  Give me some time, of course.   How does this sound?


 I CAN SEE YOU'VE PUT A LOT EFFORT IN DOCUMENTING WHAT YOU HAVE. 


Yes, I have. I will post an updated list shortly, as soon as I can get it all together.  It will have notes regarding the differrent variations, including FONT, Publisher, Mono/Stereo notation, etc.. Stay tuned.

I THINK YOU HAVE TO BE MY FRIEND ON FACEBOOK THEN YOU CAN SEND ME AND SHARE PHOTOS WITH ME. 

Nothing personal---but I prefer to not made up a Facebook profile.  I don't want all the "Spam" and/or Email associated with it.   I'll be able to send you all the JPEGs I make...one way or another. No worries. 

DID YOU CHECK MY PIC SLEEVES. IT'S AN EYE OPENER.

I haven't seen it, yet...but I'm sure it's impressive.  Thanks also for the infomation about the HELP ME, RHONDA sleeve, and the WHEN I GROW UP.  I'm learning something new everyday about what exists.  And I know about Peter Reum's collection.  In fact, I bought quite a bit of his 7" Vinyls, when Brad Elliot was selling his collection some years ago.  Peter is really the "Godfather" of all collectors, and got the rest of us excited about collecting.  I think most of us here know this.


Stay tuned,

There's more to come.

Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 25, 2009, 11:31:45 PM
OK GENTLEMEN I GOT THE RAR FILE. WITH ALL THOSE INSTRUCTIONS I FEEL LIKE I'M GOING THRU A CLANDESTINE OPERATION WITH THE CIA.
NOT THAT I LIKE CONFUSING THE BROWN STARLINE ISSUE ANY FURTHER BUT HERE'S A CAVEAT FOR THE HELP ME RONDA/RHONDA VARIATIONS. IT LOOKS LIKE I DISCOVERED A FIFTH VARIATION  HOWEVER I CAN'T QUITE READ THE SMALL PRINT AT THE BOTTOM IDENTIFYING ORIGIN OF COUNTRY IT COULD CANADIAN AND BY THE DISTINCT BROWN COLOUR /COLOR  IT MAY BE. YOU'LL NOTE THE PUBLISHED DATE RELEASE IS ON THE LEFT A KNOWN CANADIAN TRAIT.  I HAVE ANOTHER HELP ME RHONDA I WISH IT WAS IN BETTER SHAPE BUT IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE REST AS WELL. SO THERE COULD STILL BE 5 DIFFERENT  USA VARIATIONS FOR 6081 HELP!!  ME RHONDA.
OH YEA I STILL HAVE  TO OPEN THIS SUCKER OY VEY!


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 25, 2009, 11:57:42 PM
WELL YOU DID IT AND I DID IT .  I GOT IT OPEN. CONGRATULATIONS. I SEE YOU'LL ALLOW ME TO STRAIGHTENED THEM OUT  IF YOU CAN LEAVE MORE VINYL  ON THE LABEL THAT WAY I CAN EASILY STRAIGHTEN IT OUT ON MY MAC.  IT LOOKS LIKE I'LL HAVE TO TRANSFER SOME TO MY PC FOR STRAIGHTENING.  THE HARDSHIPS OF EVERYDAY LIFE IN THIS WARPED WORLD ANYWAY.   NEVERTHELESS A LOT OF EFFORT ON DOGBONE'S PART . TAKE A BOW .  I'LL JUST FINISH THE STRAIGHTENING PART AND GET IT ON THERE.  THE BROWN STARLINE I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.  TOKEN


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Beach Head on May 25, 2009, 11:58:39 PM
Having perused Tokensurfer's Facebook postings and incorporating the latest updates from Dogbone51 ...

Also, I've been persuaded to add another Starline label version -- the Red/White Target label with the "Subsidiary" text around the rim. The first Target labels say "Mfd. By Capitol Records, Inc., U.S.A." in either white or black print (apparently depending on the pressing plant), while later pressings say "Mfd. By Capitol Records, Inc., A Subsidiary Of Capitol Industries, Inc., U.S.A." in black print.

That gives us the following sequence of Starline labels:

     Green Swirl
     Light Green (promo)
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

So far, JeffRetro, Tokensurfer and eBay have confirmed 6094, 6105, 6107 and 6132 on the Target label with "Subsidiary" text, but any of the other singles released on the Target label might exist with that version of the label. Also, from what I can tell, 6132 (Good Vibrations b/w Barbara Ann) exists ONLY on the "Subsidiary" version of the Target label.

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Revision #2 of THE LIST:

6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room (08/65)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6060 - Ten Little Indians/She Knows Me Too Well (08/65)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target

6081 - Help Me, Rhonda/Do You Wanna Dance? (07/66)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6094 - Surfin’ U.S.A./Shut Down (10/66)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6095 - Surfin’ Safari/409 (10/66)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun (06/67)
     Light Green (promo)
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband

6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love (06/67)
     Light Green (promo)
     Red/White Target
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6107 - Surfer Girl/Little Deuce Coupe (06/67)
     Light Green (promo)
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6132 - Good Vibrations/Barbara Ann (12/69)
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)

6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well (05/74)
     Tan (C logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)

6205 - Wendy/Little Honda (05/74)
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband

6259 - Barbara Ann/Little Honda (06/78)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6277 - Little Saint Nick/The Lord’s Prayer (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6280 - I Get Around/Don't Worry Baby (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6289 - California Girls/Let Him Run Wild (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6295 - Sloop John B/You're So Good To Me (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6330 - Good Vibrations/Wouldn't It Be Nice (??/83)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

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And the updated "WANT LIST":

6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room (08/65)
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Blue (A prefix)

6060 - Ten Little Indians/She Knows Me Too Well (08/65)
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation

6081 - Help Me, Rhonda/Do You Wanna Dance? (07/66)
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation

6095 - Surfin’ Safari/409 (10/66)
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation

6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun (06/67)
     Purple

6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love (06/67)
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Blue (A prefix)

6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well (05/74)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6205 - Wendy/Little Honda (05/74)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Blue (A prefix)
     Purple

6259 - Barbara Ann/Little Honda (06/78)
     Tan (dome logo)


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 26, 2009, 11:36:18 AM

Also, I've been persuaded to add another Starline label version -- the Red/White Target label with the "Subsidiary" text around the rim. The first Target labels say "Mfd. By Capitol Records, Inc., U.S.A." in either white or black print (apparently depending on the pressing plant), while later pressings say "Mfd. By Capitol Records, Inc., A Subsidiary Of Capitol Industries, Inc., U.S.A." in black print.



I've been going through all my RED AND WHITE Targets, and I've noticed the same thing.  So, yes, I agree, I will make a separate Label version---Red/White Target Label with Subsidary Notation.   So, this will work.

And a note for TOKEN...the RONDA Tan Starline you posted as a "misprint" is in fact a CANADIAN issue.  On the right side of the bottom print, it clearly says, "Made In Canada".  I have a stack of Canadian Starlines--Green Swirl and also Tan--C-logo and Dome Logo.  I will put together a list shortly.  By the way, did you get the RAINBOW file I sent?? 

Will do some more scanning this week, as my time permits.

Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 26, 2009, 02:20:46 PM
WELL YOU DID IT AND I DID IT .  I GOT IT OPEN. CONGRATULATIONS. I SEE YOU'LL ALLOW ME TO STRAIGHTENED THEM OUT  IF YOU CAN LEAVE MORE VINYL  ON THE LABEL THAT WAY I CAN EASILY STRAIGHTEN IT OUT ON MY MAC.  IT LOOKS LIKE I'LL HAVE TO TRANSFER SOME TO MY PC FOR STRAIGHTENING.  THE HARDSHIPS OF EVERYDAY LIFE IN THIS WARPED WORLD ANYWAY.   NEVERTHELESS A LOT OF EFFORT ON DOGBONE'S PART . TAKE A BOW .  I'LL JUST FINISH THE STRAIGHTENING PART AND GET IT ON THERE.  THE BROWN STARLINE I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.  TOKEN

A few are "crooked".  One thing my scanner does is sometimes "twist" them.  And to get these scanned was no easy task!!  So..I would be content to not worry about one or a dozen being slightly crooked.  By the way, can you take my jpegs, and crop them in a circular fashion, like some of the others I've seen that you've posted?  This might be the way to go, and then, you can straighted them out if you like.   What do you think??

Brown Starlines...will be along shortly.

Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 26, 2009, 08:31:02 PM
THERE WERE MORE THAN A FEW SLIGHTLY CROOKED. ANYWAY I POSTED THEM. ALL STRAIGHTENED OUT.  I JUST HAVE TO ARRANGE A FEW.  IT'S WITH THE REST OF THE STARLINES NOW.  IGNORE THE CAPITOL RAINBOW ONE IT'S NOT  IN THERE I'LL DELETE IT  ONCE I'M FINISHED. I HAD TO USE MY  HELP ME RHONDA RNBW YOURS WAS TO DARK AND GLOOMY FOR SOME REASON. I COULDN'T MAKE IT BETTER. FORTUNATELY MINE WAS OF THE FEW RNBWS  I HAD.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 27, 2009, 12:29:48 AM
OK GENTLEMEN  IT'S DONE AS FAR AS THE RAINBOW IS CONCERNED AND IN ORDER SO ARE THE PURPLE WITHOUT THE FLIP SIDES.   AS FAR AS THE GREEN SWIRL ARE CONCERNED I'LL LET DOGBONE DO THOSE FLIPS AND ANY OTHER VARIATIONS IF I HAPPEN TO HAVE THE ONLY SURFIN USA GREEN SWIRL  VARIATION  THEN I'LL HAVE TO PUT IT ON AND CLEAN IT UP DIGITALLY.  I GUESS THE BROWN ARE NEXT. WE KNOW WHAT VARIATION THE BROWN STARLINE FIRST PRESSINGS WERE  THAT OFF COLOUR/COLOR AVOCADO THE GOOD VIBES 6132 CERTAINLY  WAS THE TEMPLATE FOR THE FIRST PRESSING AS THERE WERE NO OTHER FOR GOOD VIBES AFTER THAT. I'M 99.9% SURE OF THAT. CONSIDERING HOW MEGA RARE THAT ONE IS. ENJOY THE FRUITS OF OUR LABOUR/LABOR ON FACEBOOK. COME ON JEFF PLEASE INTERJECT  SOME INPUT


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 27, 2009, 12:50:56 AM
THERE WERE MORE THAN A FEW SLIGHTLY CROOKED. ANYWAY I POSTED THEM. ALL STRAIGHTENED OUT.  I JUST HAVE TO ARRANGE A FEW.  IT'S WITH THE REST OF THE STARLINES NOW.  IGNORE THE CAPITOL RAINBOW ONE IT'S NOT  IN THERE I'LL DELETE IT  ONCE I'M FINISHED. I HAD TO USE MY  HELP ME RHONDA RNBW YOURS WAS TO DARK AND GLOOMY FOR SOME REASON. I COULDN'T MAKE IT BETTER. FORTUNATELY MINE WAS OF THE FEW RNBWS  I HAD.

A few crooked ones?  Oh help me God!!   :lol

I'll try to be a little more careful....but like I said, sometimes my scanner does a "twist"...either way..no harm done.   As for the Help Me, Rhonda RAINBOW...I just looked at the scan I made..it's very dark.  I'll re-scan that one, and lighten it up...shouldn't be a problem.  Then you can choose to use the new scan, or if yours is still better go with that one.

And as far as the B-sides go for the Purple....I'll get to it at some point....Like I explained in the other post...I think BOTH sides will make it more complete.  We might as well, go for it...now that I've made a commitment.  Shouldn't be too many to scan.

And in all due respect...I appreciate the feedback about the scans..really, I do.  If I can make them better, I will.  And I know it's a lot of work to post them to the Facebook location as well.  So, I leave it to you, to let me know, which Scans aren't good, and need to be re-done.  Just let me know.

It's all good.

Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 27, 2009, 01:28:15 AM
Hey BEACH HEAD---

I can confirm these on RED AND WHITE Target with Subsidiary Notation:         

6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room (08/65)
6081 - Help Me, Rhonda/Do You Wanna Dance? (07/66)
6095 - Surfin’ Safari/409 (10/66)
6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love (06/67)

So go ahead and update your list.

And to further document---

Here is a list of all the RED AND WHITE Target's which are documented (I have all of these in my collection, except for the few I've highlighted in Yellow).

Follow my CODES for additional information. 

There is NO consistancy with the FONTS and the SUBSIDIARY...the only constant is that all of the labels with the "Subsidiary" Notation across the bottom are in BLACK printing--NONE are in the White as far as I can tell, from those issues I have. 

One other thing---on the DANCE DANCE DANCE--- the TT-WB-R and the TS-BB-B issues have the title written like this:

                       Dance,
                 Dance, Dance


Whereas the Subsidiary Issue  SS-BB-R issue has it on one line:  Dance, Dance, Dance.

This appears to be the only single with the format changed.  All others appear to be formatted the same, even though the font style is different.


FONT STYLES:        

TS = Thick-Short               SS = Skinny-Short         
TT = Thick-Tall                   ST =  Skinny-Tall

COLOR OF BOTTOM EDGE PRINTING

BB = “Black” print on Bottom Edge
WB = “White” print on Bottom Edge             

LOCATION OF SERIAL NUMBER

B =  “Serial # on Bottom of Label”        (or 6 o'clock position)
R =  “Serial # on Right Side of Label”   (or 3 o'clock position)


Using the KEY above THUS:     SS-BB-R  would mean:   
                   Skinny Short Font -- Black Print Bottom Edge -- “Serial # Right Side of Label

Red/White Target

                                                                           Variation #1             #2         
6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room                     TT-WB-R
6060 - Ten Little Indians/She Knows Me Too Well          TT-WB-R
6081 - Help Me, Rhonda/Do You Wanna Dance?             TS-BB-R,   
6094 - Surfin’ U.S.A./Shut Down   (documented)          DON’T HAVE IT     

6095 - Surfin’ Safari/409   (documented)                     DON’T HAVE IT    
6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun           TT-WB-R          TS-BB-B
6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love             TT-WB-R   
6107 - Surfer Girl/Little Deuce Coupe                             TS-BB-B

Not Sure:
6132 - Good Vibrations/Barbara Ann                May Not Exist               

Can someone fill in the two in Yellow, using the same Codes??  And if you have any OTHER variations, which I haven't listed, can you let me know?


__________________________________________


Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
         
                                                      Variation   :      #1              #2                                                                                             
6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room                SS-BB-R,      TS-BB-B   
6081 - Help Me, Rhonda/Do You Wanna Dance?            TT-BB-B,
6094 - Surfin’ U.S.A./Shut Down                               SS-BB-R,      TT-BB-R
6095 - Surfin’ Safari/409                                          TS-BB-R,       TT-BB-R
6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun        SS-BB-R,     
6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love            SS-BB-R,      TS-BB-B
6107 - Surfer Girl/Little Deuce Coupe  (documented)       DON'T HAVE IT
6132 - Good Vibrations/Barbara Ann                              ST-BB-R

Not Sure
6060 - Ten Little Indians/She Knows Me Too Well         May Not Exist


Again, can someone fill in the one in Yellow, using the same Codes??  And if you have any OTHER variations, which I haven't listed, can you let me know?


I hope this information makes everyone's head spin.  Just leave it to Capitol Records..to make all of us collectors crazy!!    :spin

Dogbone



Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Beach Head on May 27, 2009, 10:42:29 AM
With Dogbone51's latest updates, we now have all the possible "Subsidiary" Targets documented except for 6060 (Ten Little Indians b/w She Knows Me Too Well).  I think it's likely that one doesn't exist.  We know the single never made it to the next (Tan) label and that it's impossibly rare on the first (no "Subsidiary") Target label.  There probably was just one pressing of it on the Target label and then it was cancelled -- before the change to the "Subsidiary" label.  So I'm dropping the "Subsidiary" label version of 6060 from the Want List, unless someone strenuously objects.

--------------------

Revision #3 of THE LIST:

6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room (08/65)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6060 - Ten Little Indians/She Knows Me Too Well (08/65)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target

6081 - Help Me, Rhonda/Do You Wanna Dance? (07/66)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6094 - Surfin’ U.S.A./Shut Down (10/66)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6095 - Surfin’ Safari/409 (10/66)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun (06/67)
     Light Green (promo)
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband

6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love (06/67)
     Light Green (promo)
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6107 - Surfer Girl/Little Deuce Coupe (06/67)
     Light Green (promo)
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6132 - Good Vibrations/Barbara Ann (12/69)
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)

6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well (05/74)
     Tan (C logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)

6205 - Wendy/Little Honda (05/74)
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband

6259 - Barbara Ann/Little Honda (06/78)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6277 - Little Saint Nick/The Lord’s Prayer (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6280 - I Get Around/Don't Worry Baby (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6289 - California Girls/Let Him Run Wild (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6295 - Sloop John B/You're So Good To Me (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6330 - Good Vibrations/Wouldn't It Be Nice (??/83)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

--------------------

And the updated "WANT LIST":

6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room (08/65)
     Blue (A prefix)

6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun (06/67)
     Purple

6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love (06/67)
     Blue (A prefix)

6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well (05/74)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6205 - Wendy/Little Honda (05/74)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Blue (A prefix)
     Purple

6259 - Barbara Ann/Little Honda (06/78)
     Tan (dome logo)


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Beach Head on May 27, 2009, 10:52:18 AM
Dogbone, did you notice that on the non-Subsidiary Target labels, all of your instances of the "Thick-Short" font coincide with the use of Black Print on the Bottom edge (BB)?  I don't think that's a coincidence.   Can we match that up to a particular pressing plant?

Also, I'm trying to evaluate the fonts on the Target labels I own, and I'm more than a little confused as to what constitues Thick vs. Skinny and Tall vs. Short.  Is there a possibility that you could go through Tokensurfer's Facebook photos and tell us which are TT, TS, ST and SS, so that we can have a visual guide to those characteristics?   That would go a long way toward allowing me to contribute to your list of Target variations.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 27, 2009, 04:23:26 PM
Dogbone, did you notice that on the non-Subsidiary Target labels, all of your instances of the "Thick-Short" font coincide with the use of Black Print on the Bottom edge (BB)?  I don't think that's a coincidence.   Can we match that up to a particular pressing plant?

Also, I'm trying to evaluate the fonts on the Target labels I own, and I'm more than a little confused as to what constitues Thick vs. Skinny and Tall vs. Short.  Is there a possibility that you could go through Tokensurfer's Facebook photos and tell us which are TT, TS, ST and SS, so that we can have a visual guide to those characteristics?   That would go a long way toward allowing me to contribute to your list of Target variations.

Hey Beach---

Yes, I agree.  Those with Black Print on the bottom, are probably from the same plant....but you know..things with the Red and White are so inconsistant....who knows if they're from the same plant??

As for my "codings"..it's easy.  If you look back on Jeff's post (Reply # 32 on this thread), he's posted 4 Green Swirl labels.  The first one is the THICK SHORT (ie TS)...the 2nd one is the THICK TALL(ie TT) (the font is slightly taller), the third is also THICK SHORT(again TS), and the Ten Little Indians, is SKINNY SHORT(ie SS).   Now..pull out your copy of GV/BA 6132.  This is the SKINNY TALL (ie ST)--the only one that has the Bigger Font in this style--unless you know of others?

Does this clear it up a bit? If you can figure out which font goes with which factory, or even find the "proper" names for the fonts..this would be helpful. 

I also know that there is a Times New Roman font used on some of the Green Swirls...I think "Help Me, Rhonda" on the Green Swirl is one that I remember off the top of my head. 

If you still have a problem with figuring out which font is which...let me know, and I'll check Token's and tell you which one is which.  I have them on my harddrive at home...and I'm at work.

Dogbone



Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 27, 2009, 04:52:31 PM
WELL I WASN'T THAT SERIOUS ABOUT THE SCANS I CAN FIX THEM I ALREADY GOT THE HELP ME RHONDA RNBW ON AND MINE  LOOKS FINE. JUST CONCENTRATE ON THE BROWN AND THE BLUE I'LL DO THE PURPLE CONSIDERING I HAVE THEM ALL. AND I FOUND A DANCE DANCE BLUE  NOT THE BEST BUT NOT BAD FOR NOW.  I COULDN'T SLIP THAT RONDA CANADIAN  ONE BY YOU. MR EAGLE EYE. BUT UNTIL I SEE AN AMERICAN ONE I THOUGHT WE SHOULD SEE IT. I'LL GET THE  IMPOSTOR OUT AS SOON AS A USA ONE SHOWS UP. BUT I AM CANADIAN SO I DO CONSIDER IT JUST AS RELEVANT. I FOUND ANOTHER HELP ME BLUE BETTER ONE AND A SURFIN USA  IT LOOKS LIKE A DIFFERENT COLOUR /COLOR.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Beach Head on May 27, 2009, 10:57:09 PM
Dogbone, thanks for the primer on the font variations.  Unfortunately, after looking through my Target labels, I can't offer anything new to what you've already listed.  However, looking over Tokensurfer's photos on Facebook, I find the following variations you don't have listed:

6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room                     TS-BB-B
6081 - Help Me, Rhonda/Do You Wanna Dance?             TT-WB-R   

Are we going to do the Green Swirl label variations next?


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 28, 2009, 01:06:13 AM
Dogbone, thanks for the primer on the font variations.  Unfortunately, after looking through my Target labels, I can't offer anything new to what you've already listed.  However, looking over Tokensurfer's photos on Facebook, I find the following variations you don't have listed:

6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room                     TS-BB-B
6081 - Help Me, Rhonda/Do You Wanna Dance?             TT-WB-R   

Are we going to do the Green Swirl label variations next?


Hey Beach Head--

Thanks for the Update. I will assume the two you've listed are WITHOUT the Subsidiary notation.  I've noted them on my list...and great to know these also exist.

The reason I didn't have them listed, is because I haven't had a chance to compare what I have on the list to what Token has on the Facebook.  So..I will confirm everything, and I will scan the ones he does NOT have on his Facebook, and send them to him to add.  Just haven't gotten to it.

Tonight I worked on the GREEN SWIRLS--

Here is a list of GREEN SWIRLS---which incorporates the same KEY as used on the RED AND WHITE..in terms of the FONT styles.  NOTE:  Beach Head:   Do you have a copy of IN MY ROOM with the SKINNY SHORT FONT (Token has posted BTTYS in this format)...I'm after a scan of it  for Token's facebook. 


Here's what I can confirm exists..based on MY collection, and Token's facebook:
(Obviously the ST refers to the Red and White Target--none exist on GREEN Swirl)
Feel free to add anything else I've missed:

KEY TO FONTS: 
TS   Thick-Short                  SS   Skinny-Short       TR   Times New Roman     
TT   Thick-Tall                    ST   Skinny-Tall

_______________________________
Green Swirl
                                         
6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room                         SS,  TS,
6060 - Ten Little Indians/She Knows Me Too Well                SS,    TS
6081 - Help Me, Rhonda/Do You Wanna Dance?                    TR,   TS
6094 - Surfin’ U.S.A./Shut Down                                          TS,   TT
6095 - Surfin’ Safari/409                                                     TS,   TT



I also have 4 Canadian GREEN SWIRL Starlines...but I'll save it for another time.

Dogbone :thumbsup


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 28, 2009, 07:12:05 AM
Capitol had four pressing plants - L.A., Scranton, Jacksonville, Il, and Winchester, VA - and it's probable that different label variations were pressed simultaneously by different plants.  I was doing a fair amount of web searching yesterday and have come up with this very general order and dates associated with the various label variations (this does not take into account further variations including song publishers):
..........
The way to differentiate between the pressing plants is stamped in the runout grooves (from a post on Steve Hoffman's site):

1. A machine stamped triangle with the initials IAM indicates that the record was pressed at the Scranton, Pennsylvania plant.
Again per Mr. Spizer, "IAM" stood for the International Association of Machinists' union whose members worked at the Scranton plant. It first took effect on Scranton pressings around February, 1963. Prior to then (and after NAMI's takeover), an abstract anvil-type symbol was used.

2. A star (*) indicates that the record was pressed at the Los Angeles, California plant.

3. An 0, either stamped or hand written, indicates that the record was pressed at the Jacksonville, Illinois plant.

4. A line that branches into a V at the end (looks like a long stemmed wine glass) was supposed to be a Winchester rifle and indicates that the record was pressed at the Winchester, Virginia plant.

And the full matrix number as scratched or stamped into the runout grooves will also give an indication of the order of label variations at a particular plant.


Follow my CODES for additional information. 

...

FONT STYLES:        

TS = Thick-Short               SS = Skinny-Short         
TT = Thick-Tall                   ST =  Skinny-Tall

COLOR OF BOTTOM EDGE PRINTING

BB = “Black” print on Bottom Edge
WB = “White” print on Bottom Edge             

LOCATION OF SERIAL NUMBER

B =  “Serial # on Bottom of Label”        (or 6 o'clock position)
R =  “Serial # on Right Side of Label”   (or 3 o'clock position)


Using the KEY above THUS:     SS-BB-R  would mean:   
                   Skinny Short Font -- Black Print Bottom Edge -- “Serial # Right Side of Label


OK, now that we've concluded that there are 4 different font types AND 4 different pressing plants.

Could it be possible that there's a connection between font type and pressing plant? I would certainly make it easier to distinguish these 2x 4 variations.

I know, that still leaves the differences with the "black/white print at the bottom" and "location of serial number"...


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 28, 2009, 02:23:38 PM
Capitol had four pressing plants - L.A., Scranton, Jacksonville, Il, and Winchester, VA - and it's probable that different label variations were pressed simultaneously by different plants.  I was doing a fair amount of web searching yesterday and have come up with this very general order and dates associated with the various label variations (this does not take into account further variations including song publishers):
..........
The way to differentiate between the pressing plants is stamped in the runout grooves (from a post on Steve Hoffman's site):

1. A machine stamped triangle with the initials IAM indicates that the record was pressed at the Scranton, Pennsylvania plant.
Again per Mr. Spizer, "IAM" stood for the International Association of Machinists' union whose members worked at the Scranton plant. It first took effect on Scranton pressings around February, 1963. Prior to then (and after NAMI's takeover), an abstract anvil-type symbol was used.

2. A star (*) indicates that the record was pressed at the Los Angeles, California plant.

3. An 0, either stamped or hand written, indicates that the record was pressed at the Jacksonville, Illinois plant.

4. A line that branches into a V at the end (looks like a long stemmed wine glass) was supposed to be a Winchester rifle and indicates that the record was pressed at the Winchester, Virginia plant.

And the full matrix number as scratched or stamped into the runout grooves will also give an indication of the order of label variations at a particular plant.


Follow my CODES for additional information. 

...

FONT STYLES:        

TS = Thick-Short               SS = Skinny-Short         
TT = Thick-Tall                   ST =  Skinny-Tall

COLOR OF BOTTOM EDGE PRINTING

BB = “Black” print on Bottom Edge
WB = “White” print on Bottom Edge             

LOCATION OF SERIAL NUMBER

B =  “Serial # on Bottom of Label”        (or 6 o'clock position)
R =  “Serial # on Right Side of Label”   (or 3 o'clock position)


Using the KEY above THUS:     SS-BB-R  would mean:   
                   Skinny Short Font -- Black Print Bottom Edge -- “Serial # Right Side of Label


OK, now that we've concluded that there are 4 different font types AND 4 different pressing plants.

Could it be possible that there's a connection between font type and pressing plant? I would certainly make it easier to distinguish these 2x 4 variations.

I know, that still leaves the differences with the "black/white print at the bottom" and "location of serial number"...


Hello Smile--

I'm aware of this post from Jeff, from the Steve  Hoffman website.  And yes, I think it's reasonable to say 4 variations 4 plants...etc..as you say in your post.   I have looked as some of my stuff as I've been going through it and scanning it.

The biggest problem, is simple.  Some of the records have no marks at all.  Some are faint and hard to read.  And some of the same fonts, as far as I can tell from "first" glance"...have different marking (meaning appear to be from "different plants").   After we get everything scanned and documented, I will go back, and try to take a closer look to determine if in fact, a certain font is ALWAYS from a certain pressing plant.  It's unclear at this point.

I do remember Jeff pointing out the one GREEN SWIRL he posted, as being from the Los Angeles plant.  This GREEN SWIRL, had the THICK-SHORT Font (based on my key).  I don't want to say, "Let's assume all THICK SHORT fonts are from Los Angeles"...but this may or may not be the case.  So..we'll have to explore it a little more.   I did say on the R&W Starline list, there doesn't seem to be any consistancy with the BLACK Print on the Bottom, and the WHITE Print on the bottom, since, there are different Fonts and some have BLACK and some have WHITE on the bottom--in other words BOTH variations..with the same style of Font.   So...again...we will have to explore it a little more.

Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 28, 2009, 11:29:42 PM
OK BEACH HEAD AGREED TEN LITTLE INDIANS JUST THE ONE R & W VARIATION. YOU'RE GETTING TO KNOW MY RED & WHITE STARLINES  COLLECTION BETTER THAN MYSELF.   AND I FOUND A PAGE THAT I ACCIDENTALLY TORE FROM A RECORD STORE CATALOGUE OF  BB REISSUE 45'S AUG 90. AND THERE WERE NO PURPLE 6204 6205 OR 6106 EVIDENTLY. EVERYTHING I HAVE PURPLE IS IN THAT CATALOGUE. SO YOU CAN ALSO SCRATCH THAT FROM YOUR WANT LIST. THOSE YELLOW CATALOGUES WERE TO ORDER THE AVAILABLE STOCK  OF THAT 45.  YOU'VE DONE YOUR HOMEWORK  I'VE USED THE SAME SYSTEM AS DOGBONE FOR MY YELLOW SWIRLS  SO IT'S EASY FOR ME TO UNDDERSTAND. CAN JEFF PLEASE SCAN SHUT DOWN  GREEN SWIRL. DOGBONE IS A BIT MASSACRED. I GOT THE X OUT BUT THAT 1963 WAS SMEARED UP SOMEBODY TRIED TO REMOVE IT UNSUCCESSFULLY AND THE RESULT IS NOT PRETTY.  OR MAYBE BEACH HEAD HAS IT I'LL PUT IT UP AND SEE IF YOU HAVE  THIS SHUT DOWN. I THINK JEFF DOES HOWEVER. I'VE TWO BLUE STARLINE HELP ME AND DANCE DANCE POSTED  AND SURFIN USA BROWN POSTED. I SHOULD INSIST ON THE DIFFERENCE IN THE AVOCADO AND BROWN STARLINES  THE GOOD VIBES 6132 IS A FIRST PRESS OF THE AVOCADO.  THERE IS A DISTINCT COLOUR/COLOR DIFFERENCE AND IT SHOULD BE NOTED AS SUCH. PLEASE MAKE OF NOTE IT BEACH  HEAD AND DOG BONE.
AND THANKS SMILE I'LL CHECK THE DEAD WAX.  THERE WERE 4 PLANTS BUT THEN TWO WERE GONE SOMETIME IN THE EARLY TO MID 70'S IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
I'LL BE POSTING THE GREEN SWIRL AFTER THIS MESSAGE AND THANKS  FOR YOUR DILIGENCE DOGBONE . I HAVE A BTTYS TT GS TO POST.  DID YOU FIGURE THAT ONE OUT.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 28, 2009, 11:31:08 PM
I MEANT THE FLIP IN MY ROOM GREEN SWIRL TT


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Beach Head on May 29, 2009, 12:59:19 AM
Damn!  I can't add anything to Dogbone's list of Green Swirl variations.  All of mine are listed.  I also did a run through current and recently completed eBay listings and didn't find anything there that wasn't on Dogbone's list, so I think we may have them all!

Tokensurfer, when you indicate that the Aug. 1990 Phonolog didn't show a Purple label 6106, do you mean 6105 (Dance Dance Dance b/w Warmth Of The Sun)?  We've already documented a Purple label 6106, but not a 6105.

If, as I suspect, Tokensurfer meant to type 6105 instead of 6106, do we agree that we should drop the Purple label 6105, 6204 and 6205 from the "Want List," based on the Phonolog listing?  I know the Phonolog wasn't infalliable, but my experience is that it usually was accurate.

If we drop those three from the "Want List," I'm going to use them (and a couple of other variations that we've ruled out) to start a companion "Non-Existent" list.

And, Dogbone, unfortunately I won't be contributing any scans to the visual documentation effort, at least for a while.  My scanner is an older SCSI model.  While the scanner itself works fine, the SCSI card it attaches to has gone a bit flaky and I'm having trouble tracking down a replacement. (It's not like most SCSI cards; the cable that attaches to it uses a 25-pin connector, not the more common 50-pin type, and nobody seems to make them anymore!)


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 29, 2009, 01:44:03 AM
My answers/comments in YELLOW


CAN JEFF PLEASE SCAN SHUT DOWN  GREEN SWIRL. DOGBONE IS A BIT MASSACRED.

That would be great if JEFF has it.  My copy is the only one I have..and it is definitely "Sh*t". 

 AND SURFIN USA BROWN POSTED. I SHOULD INSIST ON THE DIFFERENCE IN THE AVOCADO AND BROWN STARLINES  THE GOOD VIBES 6132 IS A FIRST PRESS OF THE AVOCADO.  THERE IS A DISTINCT COLOUR/COLOR DIFFERENCE AND IT SHOULD BE NOTED AS SUCH. PLEASE MAKE OF NOTE IT BEACH  HEAD AND DOG BONE.

I'm not sure I understand?  I mean..the only copy we have of GV/BA 6132 Tan is the one I have....I suppose you're saying we should assume both an Avocado colorered one and a Tan one exist?  I suppose this is okay...but I would prefer to not make an assumption, until someone can actually document it.   I do understand, very clearly about the variations of TAN--both light and dark, and Avocado...I guess we can do it either way..as long as we note that mine is the only one that's "documented" or something like this.  I mean, the possibility of it existing does exist, but based on the speculation about the Tan GV/BA being discontinued and/or destroyed when Warners took over the rights to GOOD VIBES...it seems more likely it does not exist.  Is this making any sense?

AND THANKS SMILE I'LL CHECK THE DEAD WAX.  THERE WERE 4 PLANTS BUT THEN TWO WERE GONE SOMETIME IN THE EARLY TO MID 70'S IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

Like I said, let's get everything scanned...and then I'll start checking the Deadwax as well.  And I think you're right Token, 2 plants may have shut down.  Do we know which ones?

I'LL BE POSTING THE GREEN SWIRL AFTER THIS MESSAGE AND THANKS  FOR YOUR DILIGENCE DOGBONE. I HAVE A BTTYS TT GS TO POST.  DID YOU FIGURE THAT ONE OUT.

You have the BTTYS with the THICK TALL Font?  Cool.  Another one to add to the list.  Super.  Will you post the IMR side as well, keeping with having BOTH sides posted?? And Token--do you have the IMR with the SKINNY SHORT font, to compliment the BTTYS SKINNY SHORT one you've already posted?  Do you own that copy?



 


My answers/comments in PINK


Damn!  I can't add anything to Dogbone's list of Green Swirl variations.  All of mine are listed.  I also did a run through current and recently completed eBay listings and didn't find anything there that wasn't on Dogbone's list, so I think we may have them all!

Hey Beach Head--glad to hear..that it's fairly complete..or at least we speculate that it is.  I have a feeling a few more will turn up...someone's got to have one or two or three we haven't documented.


Tokensurfer, when you indicate that the Aug. 1990 Phonolog didn't show a Purple label 6106, do you mean 6105 (Dance Dance Dance b/w Warmth Of The Sun)?  We've already documented a Purple label 6106, but not a 6105.


Yes, I think he made an error there as well.  The Phonolog is pretty accurate--and I'm curious..do you or Token know if the GV/BA Tan 6132 was ever listed in there??  I wonder.

If, as I suspect, Tokensurfer meant to type 6105 instead of 6106, do we agree that we should drop the Purple label 6105, 6204 and 6205 from the "Want List," based on the Phonolog listing?  I know the Phonolog wasn't infalliable, but my experience is that it usually was accurate.

I have them on my list as "Probably doesn't exist" ....but who knows..they may pop up one day...ya never know...right?


If we drop those three from the "Want List," I'm going to use them (and a couple of other variations that we've ruled out) to start a companion "Non-Existent" list.

Why don't you call the list, "FAIRLY CERTAIN THEY DON'T EXIST--BUT NEVER SAY NEVER"   LOL!!  Or something to indicate they're "Non-Existent" at this point, but possible?  How does that sound?

And, Dogbone, unfortunately I won't be contributing any scans to the visual documentation effort, at least for a while.  My scanner is an older SCSI model.  While the scanner itself works fine, the SCSI card it attaches to has gone a bit flaky and I'm having trouble tracking down a replacement. (It's not like most SCSI cards; the cable that attaches to it uses a 25-pin connector, not the more common 50-pin type, and nobody seems to make them anymore!)


Well dam.  I understand what you mean.  Could you perhaps use a friends??  I mean, ONLY if it's something Token, Jeff, SMILE, or myself doesn't have, but we need to complete the set??   



I took a bit of a break from dealing with the STARLINES tonight.  But I'm hoping to get more stuff to Token over the weekend.  It's great that everyone is contributing, and I do hope we can set up something permanent on the web for all of these Scans, and all of this info we're sharing and somewhat documenting.  I know I find it intriguing to find out some "new" stuff exist..well, new in a sense, I didn't know of it before.

Token--glad the Zip.file worked for you!!

Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 29, 2009, 10:49:50 PM
YEA  BEACH HEAD I DID IT AGAIN DANCE DANCE  IT IS .  DAMN I SHOULD NOT BE MAKING THAT MISTAKE.  I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU GUYS HAVE PROBLEMS WITH YOUR SCANNERS. I HAVE ONE WITH A USB PORT IT'S A CANON . NO PROBLEM. GEE MAYBE I SHOULD DO A COMMERCIAL FOR 'EM.   BUT DO YOU BEACH HEAD HAVE THE SHUT DOWN PRESSING THAT LOOKS LIKE DOGBONE'S WITH THE 1963 ACROSS. I COULD ONLY CLEAN UP THE X MARK.  IT'S TOO SMEARED FOR MY TOUCHUP PROGRAM ON MY MAC..
 O H DEAR. MUST BE THAT AMERICAN - CANADIAN CROSSING OUR WIRES THING.   NO I'VE ALWAYS AGREED THAT THE GOOD VIBES 6132 DOGBONE IS THE ONE AND ONLY PRESSING IN EXISTENCE ON THE AVOCADO.  THE POINT I'M MAKING IS THAT IT SHOWS THAT THE AVOCADO WAS THE FIRST PRESSING BEFORE THE TAN CAME OUT ON  ANY TITLE.. AGREED?  AND THAT I AGREE NO TAN OF GOOD VIBES EXISTS. IF IT DOES THAT WILL REALLY BLOW ME AWAY.   IF YOU CHECK YOU'LL NOTE THAT I'VE ADDED A TAN SURFIN USA TO THE AVOCADO PRESSING ALREADY THERE AND  IDENTICAL IN FONT AND CONFIGURATION.
OOPS BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD TT MEANT THIN TALL IN MY BOOK. YIKES I GUESS I DON'T HAVE YOUR SYSTEM FIGURED OUT JUST YET.  I HAVE WHAT LOOKS LIKE A SKINNY TALL IN MY ROOM. ARE YOU SURE MY BE TRUE TO IS SKIINY SHORT. IT LOOKS TALLER THAN SHORT.  I HAVE IT IN MY COLLECTION. 
I'M GLAD BEACH HEAD IS GETTING THE PINK COLOR. I'VE GOT A MANLY IMAGE  TO MAINTAIN.  THOUGH I'M NOT SURE  BEING YELLOW IS THAT MUCH BETTER.  JUST MESSIN' AROUND WITH YOU GUYS. TOKENSURFER


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: brother 1002 on May 30, 2009, 06:19:48 AM
Hi Tokensurfer. I'm sorry but I can't seem to access your site on Facebook. I joined and did searches under your name and under Beach Boys, but nothing came up. Can you help me? (As you can tell, I'm not well versed in Facebook!) Thanks!

Oh, by the way, are you interested in some scans of 70's Reprise Beach Boys 45s? I've gotsome good ones on the brown Reprise label


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Beach Head on May 30, 2009, 10:26:03 AM
Hi Tokensurfer. I'm sorry but I can't seem to access your site on Facebook. I joined and did searches under your name and under Beach Boys, but nothing came up.

I had the same problem at first. It seems you have to search on somebody's full e-mail address. When I realized that, I was able to find Tokensurfer's e-mail addy here and using that worked. Seach on: tokensurfer53@gmail.com


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on May 30, 2009, 04:13:23 PM
Hey Everyone--

I'm gonna be "missing in action" for a little while.  I lost a very close friend yesterday.

Just need some time.  But I'll be back with some more info, and scans for Token.

Thanks for understanding.

Hang tight.

Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 30, 2009, 10:54:17 PM
HEY BROTHER 1002  I GUESS YOU FOLLOW BEACH HEAD'S DIRECTIONS.   AND EMAIL AT THAT ADDRESS. AND YEA I'D LIKE SCANS OF THE BROWN REPRISE. DO YOU HAVE STOCK OF COOL COOL WATER AND SURF'S UP.  I HAVE A PIC OF FOREVER BUT NEED COOL COOL WATER AND SURF'S UP. I'M DOING SHEET MUSIC AT THE MOMENT. AND THAT'S GOING UP AFTER THIS MESSAGE.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 30, 2009, 10:57:09 PM
TOUGH BREAK DOGBONE. I JUST LOST A FRIEND A FEW WEEKS AGO TO LIVER CANCER HE WAS ONLY 52. HOPE YOU CAN RECOVER AND BOUNCE BACK. IT DOES MAKE WHAT WERE DOING SEEM TRIVIAL ALL OF A SUDDEN.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Beach Head on May 31, 2009, 12:34:29 AM
Dogbone, you're in my thoughts.  I lost a close friend from my college days to a heart attack just three weeks ago.  He was a year younger than me!  Very tough to deal with.

--------------------

I've made no changes to the main list, but have modified the secondary lists to reflect input on probable non-existent singles from Tokensurfer and Dogbone.

--------------------

Revision #4 of THE LIST:

6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room (08/65)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6060 - Ten Little Indians/She Knows Me Too Well (08/65)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target

6081 - Help Me, Rhonda/Do You Wanna Dance? (07/66)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6094 - Surfin’ U.S.A./Shut Down (10/66)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6095 - Surfin’ Safari/409 (10/66)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun (06/67)
     Light Green (promo)
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband

6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love (06/67)
     Light Green (promo)
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6107 - Surfer Girl/Little Deuce Coupe (06/67)
     Light Green (promo)
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6132 - Good Vibrations/Barbara Ann (12/69)
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)

6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well (05/74)
     Tan (C logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)

6205 - Wendy/Little Honda (05/74)
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband

6259 - Barbara Ann/Little Honda (06/78)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6277 - Little Saint Nick/The Lord’s Prayer (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6280 - I Get Around/Don't Worry Baby (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6289 - California Girls/Let Him Run Wild (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6295 - Sloop John B/You're So Good To Me (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6330 - Good Vibrations/Wouldn't It Be Nice (??/83)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

--------------------

The newly-created "PROBABLY NON-EXISTENT" list:

6060 - Ten Little Indians/She Knows Me Too Well (08/65)
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     AND ALL LATER STARLINE LABEL VARIATIONS

6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun (06/67)
     Purple

6132 - Good Vibrations/Barbara Ann (12/69)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     AND ALL LATER STARLINE LABEL VARIATIONS

6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well (05/74)
     Purple

6205 - Wendy/Little Honda (05/74)
     Purple

--------------------

And the updated "WANT LIST":

6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room (08/65)
     Blue (A prefix)

6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love (06/67)
     Blue (A prefix)

6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well (05/74)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Rainbow Colorband

6205 - Wendy/Little Honda (05/74)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Blue (A prefix)

6259 - Barbara Ann/Little Honda (06/78)
     Tan (dome logo)

--------------------

Since it appears almost certain that 6204 (When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well) doesn't exist on the Purple label, is it too early to conclude that it probably doesn't exist on the Rainbow Colorband label either?  It's the only Rainbow Colorband single we haven't documented.  Input?


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 31, 2009, 12:53:23 AM
Hey Everyone--

I'm gonna be "missing in action" for a little while.  I lost a very close friend yesterday.

Just need some time.  But I'll be back with some more info, and scans for Token.

Thanks for understanding.

Hang tight.

Dogbone

Dogbone,

That's sad news. As roken already said, there are many things in life much more important than the BB. Take care and when you're mind is up to it again, we'll happily welcome you back here.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 31, 2009, 01:32:34 AM
Are you kidding?  There must be at least 10 different sleeves...well I know there's a lot.

Original STARLINE (like the one pictured on Jeff's scan)
Starline TARGET--some are RED, some are more ORANGE, and there's even a GREEN Variation
Grey (with Purple Starlines)
Black type (with BLUE)
Black (from the RAINBOW)
Silver (from various)

Well, that's eight of them..off the top of my head.

Dogbone :ahh

Back on the sleeves:
I've seen several scans of them, but I have a hard time putting them in the right order and placing them with the right labels. Here's my guess, please correct me if I'm wrong (and I realsise that in some cases more than 1 sleeve was used)

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2uihyyo.jpg)   GREEN-label   AND   LIME/PROMO-label   AND    RED TARGET-label

(http://i43.tinypic.com/2hhng9x.jpg)    TAN/AVOCADE (both C-logo and dome-logo)

(http://i43.tinypic.com/1zb47cy.jpg)    TAN/AVOCADE (both C-logo and dome-logo)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/4ryk9w.jpg)    TAN/AVOCADE (both C-logo and dome-logo)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/14tlyrp.jpg) + (http://i42.tinypic.com/34g0dw2.jpg)    BLUE-label   AND   RAINBOW-label

(http://i39.tinypic.com/ingzli.jpg) + (http://i41.tinypic.com/2aimvkm.jpg)   PURPLE-label    (is this the grey or the silver cover?)


I might be missing a few sleeves here, but even then I'm doubting on the TAN/AVOCADE sleeves (and in which order). Please correct me.  ;D



Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 31, 2009, 02:12:31 PM
Well, I guess I should give it a try. I've just uploaded a very basic website for the Starline (and other reissues) label.

Go HERE (http://www.beachboys45.nl)
 
It's very basic ("ugly" might be a better word), undoubtly full of errors, still lacks a lot of information and pictures, obviously the work of an amateur...

 ;D 

So please be gentle with me. 2 days of hard labour and that for a digital nitwit... I was glad enough I succeeded in uploading it at all.  ;D  ;D


Again, this is just a first attempt, not at all what I'm aiming for. This is a temporary website (I don't have enough space on my account anyway), I intend to get hold of a more logic domain-name. If possible a more common title under which I can collect more than just the Starlines. More MB-space too. And off course a good template that makes it much more attractive to visit. See this as a project that is still in development. First thing that I'd like to get right at the moment, is that all information is correct. So additions, corrections and other suggestions are welcome.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 31, 2009, 06:30:17 PM
THE STARLINE SLEEVES
PURPLE LABEL
PLAIN GREY
PLAIN BLACK
MOTTLED SILVER

RAINBOW
PLAIN GREY
 
BLUE
BLACK WITH STARS

AVOCADO
GREEN CAP C

TAN BROWN
ORANGE CAP C
ORANGE CAP DOME

RED & WHITE TARGET
ORANGE CAP C

GREEN SWIRL
BLUE SLEEVE


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on May 31, 2009, 06:42:35 PM
ALSO THE TAN  BROWN CAP DOME SOME CAME OUT WITH A PLAIN WHITE GLOSSY SLEEVE;  AND A PLAIN BLACK GLOSSY FOR THE PURPLE LABEL. SLEEVE.
ANYBODY KNOW WHO STEVE CATT AND  CHRISTIAN BREMER ARE YOU A PART OF THIS BB FORUM. JUST SO I HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING ON TO ADD YOU TO FACEBOOK AS FRIENDS.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on June 01, 2009, 12:59:51 AM
THE STARLINE SLEEVES
...

ah, thank you!!


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on June 01, 2009, 01:45:56 AM
SMILE THIS MAY NOT BE A PERFECT SCIENCE.   BUT AS I RECALL. THE  GREEN CAP C SLEEVE WAS INTENDED AND USED FOR THE AVOCADO. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT SOME EXTRA STOCK WASN'T USED ON THE BROWN. WHICH EXPLAINS WHY THERE ARE MORE ORANGE SLEEVES. THE AVOCADO HAD A MUCH SHORTER RUN THAN THE TAN BROWN SERIES.   AGAIN I/M GOING BY WHAT I RECALL WAY BACK THEN. DON'T FORGET I WAS A HIPPY SO I DID INDULGE BACK THEN.  THE ORANGE CAP C SLEEVE  WAS INITIALLY INTENDED FOR THE RED & WHITE TARGET.  HOWEVER THAT CHANGED WHEN THE AVOCADO INITIALLY CAME OUT WITH THE GREEN SLEEVE.  THIS IS PART THEORY AND PART RECOLLECTION.   THEN I BELIEVE THEY WENT BACK TO THE ORANGE  CAP C WITH THE BROWN TAN SERIES THEN THE ORNAGE  CAP DOME LEEVE. LIKE I SAID BEFORE MY LITTLE HONDA WENDY  BROWN CAME IN A WHITE GLOSSY SLEEVE. I HAD BOUGHT IT BRAND NEW BACK THEN IN THE LATE 70'S. IT WAS NEW STOCK THE STORE KEPT ON THEIR SHELVES FOR A FEW YRS AFTER THE INITIAL RELEASE.  MY GLOSSY WHITE SLEEVE IS WATER DAMAGED . BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER  WHAT WHITE SLEEVE YOU USE THE GLOSS WOULD NOT  SHOW UP DIGITALLY. I DON'T THINK SO.  I HOPE I DID NOT CONFUSE YOU MORE


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on June 01, 2009, 05:18:44 AM
RED & WHITE TARGET
ORANGE CAP C

have a question though. the red/white target releases started in Jan. 1967. The dome-logo was still in use then (until 1969). Why using the C-logo then already on the company sleeve?


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on June 02, 2009, 10:41:59 PM
OK SMILE I MISSPOKE AGAIN.  LET'S SEE THIS IS HOW I SHOULD HAVE PUT IT DOWN.
ORANGE TARGET SLEEVE CAP DOME
RED & WHITE TARGET INTENDED

GREEN SLEEVE
AVOCADO INTENDED

ORANGE CAP C
TAN BROWN INTENDED
 
GLOSSY PLAIN WHITE SLEEVE
SOME BROWN TAN CAP DOME
 
I HOPE THAT CLEARS IT UP.  I'M A BIT RUSTY AND I HAVEN'T DONE THIS SORTA THING IN YEARS. SO FORGIVE ME  AT LEAST YOU'RE KEEPING ME ON MY TOES.  IT'S AN EXPRESSION KEEPING ME SHARP. SMILE JUST IN CASE.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on June 03, 2009, 02:23:24 AM
Thanks Token, I'll correct it on the website.

I assume you're making less mistakes then I am at the moment (after all, you're (one of the) pro ('s), I'm still a learner...)

SMILE JUST IN CASE.

 :)   :)   :)

 ;D


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on June 03, 2009, 11:21:59 PM
SMILE HOLLAND. CHECK DOGBONE 'S LIST SLEEVE LIST. HE MENTIONS
BLACK GLOSSY SLEEVE.-RNBW
PLAIN GREY-PURPLE
BUT MINE  CAME IN THIS MANNER
5 RNBW STARLINE 45'S- ALL PLAIN GREY.
11 PURPLE STARLINES-PLAIN BLACK GLOSSY SLEEVE'PLAIN GREY/MOTTLED SILVER
3 DIFFERENT SLEEVES BOUGHT BRAND NEW FROM DIFFERENT STORES.
BACK TO THE ORANGE CAP C SLEEVE IT WAS MEANT FOR THE TAN BROWN CAP C. BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY THERE WEREN'T EXTRA THAT WERE DISTRIBUTED TO THE TAN BROWN CAP DOME LABEL. ONCE THEY RAN OUT OF THOSE SLEEVES THEY JUST MADE PLAIN GLOSSY WHITE ONES OR THE REMAINDER TAN BROWN CAP DOME.  I CAN NOT MAKE IT ANY CLEARER THAN THAT.
I ONLY SAW THE BLUE WITH THE BLACK W/STARS SLEEVE.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on June 06, 2009, 12:44:04 AM
THE RED &  WHITE IS ON MY FACEBOOK IT'S SEPARATE FROM THE STARLINE ISSUES UNDER RED & WHITE.  IT'S PRELIMINARY FOR NOW.  I HAVE IN MY ROOM  WITHOUT DOGBONE'S RADIO STATION STAMPS . SO I'LL POST THAT AND THE PENCIL THIN FONT IN MY ROOM GREEN SWIRL.  YEOMEN WORK ON THE RED & WHITE.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on June 11, 2009, 10:39:45 PM
I TOOK A BIT OF A BREAK . GOOD JOB ON THE BROWN AVOCADO STARLINE AND RED & WHITE DOGBONE. I CLEANED UP THE ONES NEEDED CLEANING UP AND I WORKED ON THAT V ON GOOD VIBES YOU DID OK BUT THE V STOOD OUT TO MUCH I SOFTENED T  GAVE IT A LIGHTER COLOUR /COLOR AND BLURRED IT ENOUGH TO MATCH THE OTHER FONT. I HAVE THE IN MY ROOM GREEN PENCIL THIN FONT IS WHAT I CALL IT. AND THE OTHER TWO IN MY ROOM RED & WHITE . I REPLACED THE ONE WITH KCLH WITH MY OWN. I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE DOGBONE GOT THAT ONE. I HAVE A SIMILAR ONE TEN LITTLE INDIANS GREEN.  THERE'S STILL THE BLUE STARLINE AND THAT'S IT.   AND YES THAT RED & WHITE STARLINE IS AMAZING. I DO MATCH YOU ON THE BROWN STARLINE . I HAVE DESIGNATED MONO HELP ME RHONDA ND SURFIN USA ON THE BROWN.  I'M PUTTING THE BROWN UP NOW ON FACEBOOK. THE RED & WHITE WILL BE CONNECTED WITH THE OTHER STARLINE SOON.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on June 12, 2009, 02:04:14 PM
Hey Everyone--

I'm still around, somehow.  Things are getting back to normal, and for those who know...I've scanned the Brown Starline C-Logo without the ARR notations, and these are soon to be posted on SMiLE Hollands website.  Looks like Token has them posted on his Facebook.  Glad to hear.

A few things:

First...Token..your comments about the "Sleeves".   I think it's fair to say, there were some sleeves definitely made up for a certain STARLINE release  (ie the Blue and White for the Green Swirl, and the Red and White Target type for the Brown Starlines).  But I think, at least from my experience..nothing was set in stone about what label would get what sleeve.  What I mean by this is simple.  It's my understanding, that Capitol Records would print up quite a few sleeves, and store them and use them as needed.  Sure, there might be a "new" design, time and again, and you may have found certain Label Variations with a certain sleeve for the most part.  But it's clear to me, that sometimes, when there was a supply of "older" sleeves, Capitol did in some cases, use them for the new releases, until this sleeve variation was exhausted.  I think, we all agree, that certains sleeves were "intended" for certain releases, but just because something came out in a sleeve which wasn't "possibly" intended for that Label variations, doesn't mean it's a "mistake".   So with this, to get caught up in what sleeve should be with what Starline label, is to me, a waste of time.  I think based on pure speculation, that I wouldn't find it difficult to say, that perhaps the Los Angeles Pressing Plant, had an over stock of sleeves from a previous label, and rather than throw them away, decided to use them until they were gone, and then went over to the new sleeve, which may have been printed to accomodate this new Label.  I, for one, am not concerned about the sleeves too much.  I know there are many types which exist, and I know I have many of my singles in different sleeves, as to what may have been intended for that STARLINE label, and this is how I bought them NEW..in other words, how they came. 

The second thing, I need to talk about.  The TAN vs AVOCADO vs Light GREY vs BROWN..etc..STARLINE labels.  It's clear that some of the labels are different shades.  It's also clear, that some are CLEARLY  tan, or avocado, or even grey in color.  I even have one release, where one side is clearly more Avocado, and the other side is clearly Tan.  SO?  What gives??  Token, I think it's your belief, that a whole set of Avocados exist and then Capitol redid everything in Tan.  Sure, this may be the case, but if it did happen, it seems like a lot of work to revamp a collection of re-issue records, to make all the labels look the same.  I don't think Capitol would bother, as these records stayed in print, to keep them available for those who still bought 7" Records.  Probably not really that profitable for Capitol, on one hand, and probably somewhat cheap to print them up again.  Anyway,  I think, their main concern would be to get the records out, and to make the songs available, regardless of the color of the labels.  You may disagree, and this is okay.  But I think it's more likely, that some of the colors are simply different variations of the paper stock and colors used to print the labels, rather than a whole new Label Color Variation.   And with this, in some cases, the paper stock may have been more Avocado, or more Tan....Again, we may never know for sure.  What we do know is that there are a number of color differences, and when I compare Token's Scans to my scans and to the few SMiLE has sent me as well, in a couple cases, I see three completely different colors on the exact same titles.  So?  Does this mean there are THREE different colors?  Probably not.  It means, that perhaps different pressing plants used slightly different paper stock, and the colors were different shades.  Anyway, when I send out the next batch of scans, it will include my Scans, Token's scans, and those which SMiLE sent, and some will clearly show three different shade variations on the colors, and admittedly, I may have them labeled as TAN (and they're acutally Avocado) and I may have some labeled AVOCADO (and they may be in fact Tan).   It's a confusing picture, and I'm glad we're all here to argue and discuss how we feel about the variations.   Take a look at the scans (almost ready to send out), and please make some comments.

I also have a few comments to Token's last post:

I TOOK A BIT OF A BREAK . GOOD JOB ON THE BROWN AVOCADO STARLINE AND RED & WHITE DOGBONE. I CLEANED UP THE ONES NEEDED CLEANING UP


I cleaned up the HMR/DYWD with the writing.  I didn't get around to doing it the night I scanned it.  SMiLE also sent another variation of that one.  It has the ARR notation to the LOWER RIGHT of the label.  Not on the bottom edge.  Wait until you see it!!



 AND I WORKED ON THAT V ON GOOD VIBES YOU DID OK BUT THE V STOOD OUT TO MUCH I SOFTENED T  GAVE IT A LIGHTER COLOUR /COLOR AND BLURRED IT ENOUGH TO MATCH THE OTHER FONT.


Great. I don't have the software to do it.  The "V" was a combination of taking the NUMBER 7 from the 6107 off another label, and cutting it, copying it twice, flipping one, and rotating it around and pasting it, to make it into a "V".  Lots of work, and lots of hassle.  I'm surprised it came out better than I expected, and I look forward to seeing the "softened" look which you've added to it.  Super.  It probably looks totally real!


I HAVE THE IN MY ROOM GREEN PENCIL THIN FONT IS WHAT I CALL IT. AND THE OTHER TWO IN MY ROOM RED & WHITE . I REPLACED THE ONE WITH KCLH WITH MY OWN. I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE DOGBONE GOT THAT ONE. I HAVE A SIMILAR ONE TEN LITTLE INDIANS GREEN.  THERE'S STILL THE BLUE STARLINE AND THAT'S IT.   AND YES THAT RED & WHITE STARLINE IS AMAZING. I DO MATCH YOU ON THE BROWN STARLINE . I HAVE DESIGNATED MONO HELP ME RHONDA ND SURFIN USA ON THE BROWN.  I'M PUTTING THE BROWN UP NOW ON FACEBOOK. THE RED & WHITE WILL BE CONNECTED WITH THE OTHER STARLINE SOON.


If you have the IN MY ROOM Skinny Short font on the Green Swirl, forward it to SMiLE if you can, so he can post it on his website as well.  Glad you can replace the KCLH Red and White.  It's the only copy I have.  And I don't think I got it from where you think I did.  It was part of the Peter Reum collection many years ago...but it's been passed down..and passed around.  But you're close!  I would like to see the TEN LITTLE INDIANS one with the KCLH stamps...can you post a scan on here?   

Token--which Red and White STARLINE is "amazing" as you say?  Not sure I follow you??   And most of the Brown Starlines match, yes...but what do you mean about the "Designated MONO Help Me Rhonda and Surfin' USA on the Brown"...Do you mean you have the variations which say MONO on the label??   


And Token, what would it take for you to post in mixed text??  Reading everything in CAPITOL letters is a bit much sometimes.  Would it be too much to ask you to undo  your CAPS LOCKS key?  Not trying to offend you.   Just asking.

Thanks,

Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on June 13, 2009, 10:33:28 AM
Went to a record fair today and bought a few Starlines as well... couldn't resist...  ;D


Back to the website:
The Tan-C labels are added. Thanks, dogbone and tokensurfer, for providing me these.

Check the Beach Boys Starlines (http://www.beachboys45.nl) website for the new additions.

I also added the BTTYS/IMR b-side you scanned, token.

O, and I had to add that Help Me Rhonda with ARR notation right-below (instead of bottom) as well. It's now listed under the ARR-section.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/wjbevt.jpg)



Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on June 13, 2009, 12:59:54 PM
As for the repaired GV single (6132):

This WAS the original:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/zivxb7.jpg)

And here's 3 attempts to improve the label:

dogbone's:                                                                                           
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2hqf1i8.jpg)   

and tokensurfer's:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/nmj1vq.jpg)

and mine:   
(http://i43.tinypic.com/294jbkz.jpg)


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on June 13, 2009, 03:27:25 PM
Are we all completely mad or what?   :lol

SMiLE--I'm gonna try to clean yours up a little more.  If you look at my attempt, you'll see that i cleaned up the C-Logo as well.  So, maybe ONE more attempt?  It looks great!  Both you and Token did a great job!  Wish the actual copy was this clean.

Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on June 14, 2009, 10:03:39 AM
SMiLE--I'm gonna try to clean yours up a little more.  If you look at my attempt, you'll see that i cleaned up the C-Logo as well.  So, maybe ONE more attempt?  It looks great!  Both you and Token did a great job!  Wish the actual copy was this clean.

Another update. The C-tan label with "All Rights Reserved" notation is uploaded as well and can be found in the tan-label section of the Beach Boys Starlines (http://www.beachboys45.nl) website.

And I also used the new-and-improved 6132 GV tan-label, that dogbone made, and files under the first tan-C series.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: zeke on June 14, 2009, 04:26:41 PM
Hey all anyone heard of an all black capital, starline label ? I have one.....


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on June 14, 2009, 10:48:19 PM
Hey all anyone heard of an all black capital, starline label ? I have one.....


I'm guessing if it's Beach Boys..it's BEST OF Vol 1...

There were a lot of different colors on the STARLINES--everything from Turquoise to Gold to Black...but NOT all colors were used with the Beach Boys.

Is yours a Beach Boys' release?  Feel free to scan and share it..if you like.

Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on June 15, 2009, 12:19:05 AM
Hey all anyone heard of an all black capital, starline label ? I have one.....


I second that. If this is a Beach Boys release, we're always curious if there's another variation of label-colour around.


The Beach Boys Starlines (http://www.beachboys45.nl) website.
Thanks to dogbone, I was able to make another update: Tan-C with the DOME logo is also "completed".


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: JeffRetro on June 15, 2009, 10:31:43 AM
SMiLE-Holland, I think it was you in another thread that pointed out that there were two mono mixes for "Fun, Fun, Fun," which I had no idea about until your post.  But checking the GREATEST HITS, VOL. 1 and SURFER GIRL/SHUT DOWN, VOL. 2 CD's you are absolutely right.

I'm trying to find out which mix was on the original orange/yellow swirl label 45.  This may be a rare case in which Capitol sent the two different mixes to the two different pressing plants (L.A. and Scranton).  Motown in the mid to late 60's did this quite often, and all the different mixes appear in THE COMPLETE MOTOWN SINGLES CD collections.

Can someone who has both East and West Coast pressings of "Fun, Fun, Fun" listen to the solos and tell me if the guitar or organ is louder in the mix for each pressing?  This would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks!


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on June 15, 2009, 11:06:10 AM
SMiLE-Holland, I think it was you in another thread that pointed out that there were two mono mixes for "Fun, Fun, Fun," which I had no idea about until your post.  But checking the GREATEST HITS, VOL. 1 and SURFER GIRL/SHUT DOWN, VOL. 2 CD's you are absolutely right.

I'm trying to find out which mix was on the original orange/yellow swirl label 45.  This may be a rare case in which Capitol sent the two different mixes to the two different pressing plants (L.A. and Scranton).  Motown in the mid to late 60's did this quite often, and all the different mixes appear in THE COMPLETE MOTOWN SINGLES CD collections.

Can someone who has both East and West Coast pressings of "Fun, Fun, Fun" listen to the solos and tell me if the guitar or organ is louder in the mix for each pressing?  This would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks!

Can't take the honour for that one as it wasn't me, but I did read it somewhere...

And I think I only have the west-coast pressing, so I can't compare, sorry.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on June 15, 2009, 11:55:38 AM
Can someone who has both East and West Coast pressings of "Fun, Fun, Fun" listen to the solos and tell me if the guitar or organ is louder in the mix for each pressing?  This would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks!

Hey Jeff--

Welcome back.  I'm sure you have had a chance to take a look at the website, with all of the STARLINES...any comments etc??

I have multiple copies of the FUN FUN FUN on the Orange and Yellow Swirl.  At some point, I can get them together and take a listen to see if in fact the different pressings have different mixes.

But, forgive my ignorance..as I've not COMPLETELY savvy about WEST vs EAST coast pressing.

Can you give me some details (ie dead wax notations, label variations etc), which can help me determine WEST vs EAST coast copies??  If I have both, I'll give a listen, and let you know what I find out.

Feel free to drop me a message privately if you prefer.

Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Jason on June 15, 2009, 12:58:48 PM
I heard somewhere that there were several mixes of Fun Fun Fun made in '64 and many were put out accidentally. The big three we obviously know are the mono/stereo LP mixes and the mono 45, but there are definitely some other ones.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: JeffRetro on June 15, 2009, 04:06:50 PM
Can someone who has both East and West Coast pressings of "Fun, Fun, Fun" listen to the solos and tell me if the guitar or organ is louder in the mix for each pressing?  This would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks!

Hey Jeff--

Welcome back.  I'm sure you have had a chance to take a look at the website, with all of the STARLINES...any comments etc??

I have multiple copies of the FUN FUN FUN on the Orange and Yellow Swirl.  At some point, I can get them together and take a listen to see if in fact the different pressings have different mixes.

But, forgive my ignorance..as I've not COMPLETELY savvy about WEST vs EAST coast pressing.

Can you give me some details (ie dead wax notations, label variations etc), which can help me determine WEST vs EAST coast copies??  If I have both, I'll give a listen, and let you know what I find out.

Feel free to drop me a message privately if you prefer.

Dogbone


I've been watching everything all along; just haven't had anything to add.

The Starline Website looks great.  I can tell you that for the green swirl and target label sections all the tall fonts are Scranton pressings, while the short fonts are Los Angeles.  Also, Los Angeles pressings have a star-shaped graphic in the runout grooves (it actually looks more like a spread out asterisk), and the Scranton pressings have a triangle with the initial "IAM" inside.

TOKENSURFER's Facebook photo album on the orange/yellow swirl labels has examples of 4 different pressings, 2 L.A. (#73 and #75) and 2 Scranton (#74 and #76) pressings, with the difference being the composer credit ("Brian Wilson" vs. "Brian Wilson/Mike Love").

Hope this helps.  I was going to post the pictures here, but for some reason I'm unable to upload pictures.  SMiLE-Holland, can you fix that?


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on June 15, 2009, 05:04:20 PM
The Starline Website looks great.  I can tell you that for the green swirl and target label sections all the tall fonts are Scranton pressings, while the short fonts are Los Angeles.  Also, Los Angeles pressings have a star-shaped graphic in the runout grooves (it actually looks more like a spread out asterisk), and the Scranton pressings have a triangle with the initial "IAM" inside.

TOKENSURFER's Facebook photo album on the orange/yellow swirl labels has examples of 4 different pressings, 2 L.A. (#73 and #75) and 2 Scranton (#74 and #76) pressings, with the difference being the composer credit ("Brian Wilson" vs. "Brian Wilson/Mike Love").

Yes, I am aware of the info about the marks in the dead space.  I just haven't had a chance to really go through and look at everything.  I was going to do it, when everything was scanned and posted, and then with SMiLE's help, revise everything. 

As for the FUN FUN FUN....   Brian Wilson composer credit would be LA  and BW/ML is Scranton?  is this how I understand it?  Either way, I will look at the copies I have, and see if they're different, and then play them, and see if the mixes are in fact different as well.  We do agree, that we're talking about the MONO mixes...and NOT the Stereo mixes..which is obviously different, and has the shorter ending, as we all know.  Do we know if the MONO mixes on the LPs from LA and Scranton are different as well?
 
Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: JeffRetro on June 15, 2009, 06:17:31 PM
As for the FUN FUN FUN....   Brian Wilson composer credit would be LA  and BW/ML is Scranton?  is this how I understand it?  Either way, I will look at the copies I have, and see if they're different, and then play them, and see if the mixes are in fact different as well.  We do agree, that we're talking about the MONO mixes...and NOT the Stereo mixes..which is obviously different, and has the shorter ending, as we all know.  Do we know if the MONO mixes on the LPs from LA and Scranton are different as well?

No, actually there are both L.A. and Scranton pressings with both composer credits (for a total of 4 different pressings, 2 for each plant).  And, yes, I'm only talking about the longer mono mixes.  One mix (on the GREATEST HITS VOL. 1 CD) has the guitar in the solo mixed louder than the organ in the solo; the other mix (the "Single Version" on the SURFER GIRL/SHUT DOWN VOL. 2 two-fer CD) has the opposite, i.e. the organ is mixed louder than the guitar on the solo.

I don't know if the different plants received different mixes, just that two different mono mixes exist and that perhaps they went to the different plants.  It's also possible that two sets of metal parts were fabricated in L.A. with one set being sent to Scranton, which would obviously mean both plants were pressing the same mix.

One other thing, the L.A. pressings had the title on two lines, whereas the Scranton pressings had the title on a single line.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Christian on June 15, 2009, 11:26:15 PM

TOKENSURFER's Facebook photo album on the orange/yellow swirl labels has examples of 4 different pressings, 2 L.A. (#73 and #75) and 2 Scranton (#74 and #76) pressings, with the difference being the composer credit ("Brian Wilson" vs. "Brian Wilson/Mike Love").


There´s still a third east coast label variation:

(http://i44.tinypic.com/ajt738.jpg) (http://i44.tinypic.com/acbi4g.jpg) (http://i43.tinypic.com/2m6x1g0.jpg)
facebook # 74 + # 76

I think you can identify the different mixes by the master number (45-51190, 45-51179) found under the catalogue number 5118.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on June 16, 2009, 12:05:52 AM
Hope this helps.  I was going to post the pictures here, but for some reason I'm unable to upload pictures.  SMiLE-Holland, can you fix that?

Jeff, it happens that the upload-folder is full (I think that that's the message you got when trying to attach a file). I can resolve that problem by removing a few pictures from that folder, that would mean though that you'll see some pictures having disappeared.

In the meanwhile, I'd suggest you use a picture-upoad website, which I also recommended to tokensurfer a while back. This is how it works:


Quote
when you go to www.tinypic.com this should do the work:

1. use the "browse"-button to search for the picture-file you'd like to upload  (as an example I took the Help Me Ronda pic token recently uploaded)
2. click on the green "upload now" / "nu uploaden" button.
3. when the upload is done (goes very quick), you'll receive a few links
   - HTML for websites
   - Image code (IMG) for forums
   - URL for e-mail etc.
   - a direct link for lay-outs

4. Use the image code in this case it is [ IMG] http://i44.tinypic.com/osri2c.jpg [/IMG]

5. and voila, should get this picture (see below) as a result.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/osri2c.jpg)

I hope this works for you. It does give you the opportunity to upload bigger pictures than a direct attachment on this board (with a max of 128kb).


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on June 16, 2009, 12:12:02 AM
The Starline Website looks great.  I can tell you that for the green swirl and target label sections all the tall fonts are Scranton pressings, while the short fonts are Los Angeles.  Also, Los Angeles pressings have a star-shaped graphic in the runout grooves (it actually looks more like a spread out asterisk), and the Scranton pressings have a triangle with the initial "IAM" inside.

Yes, I am aware of the info about the marks in the dead space.  I just haven't had a chance to really go through and look at everything.  I was going to do it, when everything was scanned and posted, and then with SMiLE's help, revise everything. 

Ah, yes, the marks in the run-out grooves. It would be great if we were able to make scans of those. Wll be a bit more difficult than the regular scans of the labels, but it would be a good method to explain exactly what the differences are. We'll get back on that later when we've finished the label-scans.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on June 16, 2009, 01:24:17 AM
TIMEOUT EVERYONE.  I NOTICED ON GOOD VIBES SMILE CHEATED(I'M SAYING IT IN GOOD NATURED FUN) AND CHANGED THE COLOUR/COLOR SCHEME ON GOOD TO MATCH THE V. HE MADE THE GOOD  DARKER. I USED THE GOOD AND SAMPLED THE COLOR OFF OF THAT WITHOUT CHANGING THE GOOD.  BUT SMILE MADE IT MATCH  WELL BUT A LITTLE TOO PERFECT IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.  YOU NEED  SOMEHTING INBETWEEN MINE AND SMILE'S AND KEEP THE GOOD THE SAME LIGHTER COLOUR.  BUT  THAT'S JUST THE WAY I SEE IT. OUR EYES SEE  THE VARYING  COLOURS/COLORS.SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY AS WELL.  I SPELL IT BOTH WAYS SO OUR AMERICAN COUNTERPART CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE SAYING.   JUST KIDDING.   MY SCANNER HAS THE ABILITY TO SCAN THE LABEL IN TWO DIFFERENT SHADES OF THAT COLOR. AND I CHOOSE WHICH ONE COMES THE CLOSEST.

Token--which Red and White STARLINE is "amazing" as you say?  Not sure I follow you??   And most of the Brown Starlines match, yes...but what do you mean about the "Designated MONO Help Me Rhonda and Surfin' USA on the Brown"...Do you mean you have the variations which say MONO on the label??   

I CAN'T FIGURE OUT THE QUOTATIONS YET..  BTW IT'S EASIER FOR ME TO READ THE CAPITAL LETTERS THAN THE SMALL FONT.  I MEANT IN GENERAL THE RED & WHITE  THE QUANTITY AND VARIATIONS ARE AMAZING I WASN'T THERE IN THE STATES WHEN THOSE CAME OUT , SO I'M REALLY IMPRESSED .  AND IF YOU KNEW MY COLLECTION I DON'T GET TOO EXCITED ANYMORE. I PRETTY MUCH HAVE SEEN IT ALL .  I WAS THERE INITIALLY IN JAN. 75 UNTIL MAY 75 THEN CAME BACK TO THE STATES IN THE SUMMER OF 77. SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE BROWN AND THE BLUE. I HAVE THE  MONO ON THE BROWN  YES I DO. IN FACT FUN FUN IS ALSO MONO AND LITTLE HONDA 6259 IS STEREO DESIGNATED. IT'S ON FACEBOOK
WELL DOGBONE AND SMILE  I DON'T THINK  THE SLEEVES IS A WASTE OF TIME . IT'S A CURIOSITY FACTOR . MY THEORY IS  WHY CREATE A GREEN TARGET SLEEVE LIKE THE RED & WHITE TARGET SLEEVE. UNLESS YOU MADE SOME AVOCADO LABELS TO START WITH FROM EVERY PLANT .  IF THEY WERE JUST INCIDENTAL SHADES OF COLOUR(NOT DONE ON PURPOSE) THEN WHY CREATE  A GREEN TARGET SLEEVE.  BY USING DOGBONE'S THEORY WHY WOULD CAPITOL BOTHER  THEY WERE TOO CHEAP  TO GO TO THAT EXPENSE.  BUT THEY STILL MADE GREEN SLEEVES ANYWAY AND WHY GO TO THAT EXPENSE UNLESS  MAYBE TO USE THEM ON THE AVOCADO LABELS . FOOD FOR THOUGHT . IT'S AN EXPRESSION SMILE MEANING SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
BY 1970 THERE WERE ONLY 3 PLANTS .  L A  ILLINOIS VIRGINIA. SCRANTON PA WAS DEFUNCT IN 70.   THE OTHER  3 PLANTS WERE STILL KICKING IN 75.   
I DID THIS MESSAGE  2 DAYS AGO AND SAVED IT. NOW SMILE IS THERE ANY FLIPSIDES THAT I NEED TO DO THAT DOGBONE OR YOU DON'T HAVE AT THIS POINT.  I HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR SITE.  I HAVEN'T YET. I'VE BEEN BUSY  DOING SUMMER STUFF. I WILL RIGHT NOW IN FACT. BANGUP JOB  DOGBONE.  I TRIED  TO HELP OUT.  IF THERE'S A QUESTION I FORGOT  TO ANSWER I'LL RESPOND TO YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE .  YOU SURPRISED  ME WITH ALL THE CAP DOME BROWN.  I GUESS I DON'T MATCH YOU  ON THE BROWN EITHER. TOKEN


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on June 16, 2009, 01:32:46 AM
TEN LITTLE INDIANS ALL POPPED IT UP SHORTLY DOGBONE WITH KLCH.  AT LEAST I HAD A FEW TOKEN OFFERINGS TO ADD TO THE STARLINE LIST.  GET IT ME  BEING.TOKEN   AND TOKEN OFFERINGS.  YOU HAD TO BE IN MY MIND TO REALISE HOW FUNNY THAT WAS.  THEN AGAIN JUST AS WELL YOU'RE NOT. LATER YEAH  I''LL BE THERE SMILE AND CHECK IT OUT


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on June 16, 2009, 01:43:30 AM
OK SMILE CHECKOUT IN MY ROOM  GREEN SWIRL AND RED & WHITE  UNDER GREEN SWIRL STARLINES YOU'LL FIND BOTH OF THEM THERE.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on June 16, 2009, 01:50:30 AM
SMILE I CLEANED UP THAT FUN FUN FUN  WITH BLOTCHY MARK ON THE RED & WHITE.  CHECK BOTH THE RED & WHITE STARLINE SERIES AND THE GREEN SWIRL ETC SERIES  IT'S CLEANED UP. AND I WILL CLEAN UP THE GREEN STARLINE SURFIN USA 1963 .  BUT PLEASE USE THOSE I'VE CLEANED UP .


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on June 16, 2009, 01:51:36 AM
SMILE I WILL SEND THEN TO YOU DIRECTLY INSTEAD OK.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on June 16, 2009, 02:59:21 AM
SMILE I WILL SEND THEN TO YOU DIRECTLY INSTEAD OK.

thanks, that will be the easiest and quickest way.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on June 16, 2009, 11:08:33 PM
HEY DOGBONE AND JEFF ETC... I POSTED THE TEN LI GREEN SWIRL WITH KLCH ON MY FACEBOOK YOU'LL SEE IT RIGHT AWAY.  JEFF AS FAR AS THE FUN FUN FUN GOES.   I DID THE SINGLE AND LP RECORDING OF IT AWILE BACK   BUT I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHICH SINGLE I USED. I'LL DO IT AGAIN.  THERE ARE MORE THAN 4 VARIATIONS OF FUN FUN /WHY DO FOOLS. THE WHY DO FOOLS ALSO HAS SANTIAGO ON AND NOT ON THERE.  WITH LOVE NOT  ON AND ON THERE.   I HAVE AT LEAST 5 DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF THAT SINGLE.  IT ONLY SHOWS  4 ON  FACEBOOK. BUT THERE ARE DIFFERENT COMBOS OF SANTIAGO AND LOVE WITH AND WITHOUT NOT TO MENTION THE DIFFERENT FONT. I HOPE THAT WAS CONFUSING ENOUGH.  I KNOW SEAN DAUBER MENTIONED WOULDN'T IT BE NICE 45 MIKE LOVE  IN THE BEGINNING WAS MISSING SOMETHING(MIDDLE EIGHT NO ECHO)  COMPARED TO THE PET SOUNDS LP. IN FACT THERE ARE KAZILLION VARIATIONS OF WOULDN'T IT BE NICE ON DIFFERENT COMPS. BUT IT STARTED WITH THE YELLOW SWIRL.  ALSO THERE IS THAT FUN FUN FUN ON AN AUSTRALIAN COMP IN STEREO WITH WHAT PETER REUM CALLED CENTRED/CENTERED STEREO. IT WAS TRULY DIFFERENT THAN ANY FUN FUN STEREO I HAD HEARD BEFORE.
I GUESS DOGBONE I'LL HAVE TO ADD THE FLIPS TO THE BLUE STARLINE SURFER GIRL.  I CONCENTRATED ON SURFER GIRL AFTER PETER REUM TOLD ME ABOUT THE BINAURAUL STEREO ON THE BROWN STARLINE. SO  I THOUGHT MAYBE THE BLUE MAY HAVE IT AS WELL.  I'LL HAVE TO CHECK MINE STILL. YIKES I'VE ONLY HAD THEM FOR 20 SOME ODD YRS.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: JeffRetro on June 17, 2009, 02:28:21 PM
There´s still a third east coast label variation:

(http://i44.tinypic.com/ajt738.jpg) (http://i44.tinypic.com/acbi4g.jpg) (http://i43.tinypic.com/2m6x1g0.jpg)
facebook # 74 + # 76

I think you can identify the different mixes by the master number (45-51190, 45-51179) found under the catalogue number 5118.

Actually I believe that Capitol issued master numbers to multitracks for each song as they were recorded (or at least started); the January 1st session at which "Fun, Fun, Fun" and "The Warmth Of The Sun" were tracked were assigned numbers 51179 and 51180 respectively.  The vocals and probably some instrumental overdubs were done at Gold Star on January 8th, at which time it looks like Capitol (probably unintentionally) issued a second master number of 51190 ("Why Do Fools Fall In Love," started the day before and also finished today, was master number 51189).

It seems that Capitol originally issued FFF with this second matrix number before they caught their error and canceled that number.  In fact, the fact that apparently only some East Coast pressings had a label correcting the number to 51179 (and we know that number is correct, because it's on ALL the Starline singles and in the notes for the "Shut Down Vol. 2" album it's listed as the master number for both the LP and single version) is strong evidence that Capitol didn't catch the error for probably a couple of months and that the label variation wth "Brian Wilson" listed as the only writer are the first pressings.

Actually I'd like to know what mix is on each of the five label variations is anyone has them all, and what the full matrix number in the runout grooves is for each variation.  Can anyone help with that?  Even if you only have a few maybe between everyone we can put together the full set of five.

Thanks for any help!

And here are the L.A. label variations to go along with the East Coast ones above:

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff89/lostjukebox/4488_1004107681954_1802734176_4691_.jpg)

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff89/lostjukebox/4488_1004107761956_1802734176_4693_.jpg)


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on June 17, 2009, 11:59:43 PM
OK JEFF I LISTENED TO ALL MY  FFF ALL THE DIFF. VAR.   AND THEY'RE ALL THE SAME MIX. HOWEVER  THIS IS  HOW IT WORKS
 FUN
FUN FUN
 BW/WDFFIL LYMON SANTIAGO GOLDNER    5 POINTED STAR

FUN
FUN FUN
BW ML / WDFFIL LYMON GOLDNER 

FUN FUN FUN
BW /WDFFIL LYMON GOLDNER  DELTA TRIANGLE  WITH I AM IN THE MIDDLE OF TRIANGLE

FUN FUN FUN
BW ML . WDFFIL LYMON GOLDNER

THERE MUST BE A FUN FUN FUN LYMON SANTIAGO  GOLDNER WHICH I THOUGHT I HAD BUT I DON'T.  THERE MUST BE AT LEAST 6 VARIATIONS. I HAVE ONLY 4. I HAVE BOTH MATRIX NUMBERS 51190 AND 51179. THERE'S ONE THAT'S STRANGE.  IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE 1  BUT THIS ONE HAS WHAT LOOKS LIKE A INCOMPLETE 3 . I LISTENED TO FFF OVER AND OVER AGAIN  FOR THE FIRST TIME IN YEARS.  I FORGOT TO PLAY MY CANADIAN FFF I'LL TRY THAT TOMORROW.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: JeffRetro on June 18, 2009, 02:13:25 AM
OK JEFF I LISTENED TO ALL MY  FFF ALL THE DIFF. VAR.   AND THEY'RE ALL THE SAME MIX. HOWEVER  THIS IS  HOW IT WORKS
 FUN
FUN FUN
 BW/WDFFIL LYMON SANTIAGO GOLDNER    5 POINTED STAR

FUN
FUN FUN
BW ML / WDFFIL LYMON GOLDNER 

FUN FUN FUN
BW /WDFFIL LYMON GOLDNER  DELTA TRIANGLE  WITH I AM IN THE MIDDLE OF TRIANGLE

FUN FUN FUN
BW ML . WDFFIL LYMON GOLDNER

THERE MUST BE A FUN FUN FUN LYMON SANTIAGO  GOLDNER WHICH I THOUGHT I HAD BUT I DON'T.  THERE MUST BE AT LEAST 6 VARIATIONS. I HAVE ONLY 4. I HAVE BOTH MATRIX NUMBERS 51190 AND 51179. THERE'S ONE THAT'S STRANGE.  IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE 1  BUT THIS ONE HAS WHAT LOOKS LIKE A INCOMPLETE 3 . I LISTENED TO FFF OVER AND OVER AGAIN  FOR THE FIRST TIME IN YEARS.  I FORGOT TO PLAY MY CANADIAN FFF I'LL TRY THAT TOMORROW.

TOKENSURFER, thanks for taking the time to check out the ones you have.  Two questions:

1. When you say you have both master numbers 51179 and 51190 does that mean you have East Coast pressings (FFF on one line), one with the BW credit only with 51190 on the label and the other with the BW/ML credit with 51179 on the label?  As you can see above, Christian pointed out a third variation with the BW/ML credit and 51190 as the master number on the label, which I believe you may not have.

2. You said all the mixes were the same for the ones you have, but which mix is that?  One Mix has the guitar slightly louder than the organ in the solo (and you may also hear the "Three..." of the count-in at the beginning) while the other mix has the organ much louder than the guitar on the solo.  Whichever mix it is, it should match ALL of the Starline singles as well.

Thanks again!


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on June 18, 2009, 04:13:41 PM
CHRISTIAN BEFORE I COMMIT SUICIDE I'D LIKE TO KNOW   OF THE EAST COAST FFF BW/ML 51190 DOES WHY DO FOOLS HAVE SANTIAGO OR JUST LYMON GOLDNER  WRITING CREDITS.  I MEAN THERE LOOKS TO BE ANOTHER DOZEN LABEL VARIATIONS ON FFF ALONE.  IT'S NOT THAT MUCH OF A STRETCH.  I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M MISSING THAT MANY.
 JEFF I'LL SEND ALL THE DETAILS OF THE DEAD WAX WITH LABEL  TO YOUR EMAIL.
DOGBONE CHECKOUT SHUTDOWN GREEN SWIRL. I CLEANED IT UP PRETTY GOOD CONSIDERING. IT TOOK BOTH MY PC AND MAC TO DO IT. IT'S AS GOOD AS I CAN GET IT. IT'S ON MY FACEBOOK


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Christian on June 18, 2009, 10:49:01 PM
CHRISTIAN BEFORE I COMMIT SUICIDE I'D LIKE TO KNOW OF THE EAST COAST FFF BW/ML 51190 DOES WHY DO FOOLS HAVE SANTIAGO OR JUST LYMON GOLDNER  WRITING CREDITS.

It´s just Lymon-Goldner, same as on the flip of BW/ML, 45-51179:

(http://i43.tinypic.com/dw7tps.jpg)


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on June 22, 2009, 03:00:32 AM
THANKS TO YOU GUYS I FOUND THAT FFF WITH 51190 .  I GAVE IT TO MY FRIEND. I GOT IT BACK AND GAVE HIM A NICER COPY.  BUT I ONLY HAVE ONE 51179.   THERE HAS TO BE MORE VARIATIONS ON THAT SERIAL #. THANKS CHRISTIAN.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on June 24, 2009, 12:30:21 PM
back to Starline: just made a few changes. Blue-label, both A- and X-prefix are updated, thanks to Dogbone. Plus some additions and improvements by Tokensurfer.

O and then there's the new webhost...  ;D


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Dogbone51 on June 24, 2009, 04:20:54 PM
back to Starline: just made a few changes. Blue-label, both A- and X-prefix are updated, thanks to Dogbone. Plus some additions and improvements by Tokensurfer.

O and then there's the new webhost...  ;D

It's lookin' pretty dam groovy.

Hope others who see the board, who may have something to add, will share it.

Dogbone


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on June 24, 2009, 11:35:37 PM
WHERE DO I GO TO CHECK IT OUT THE WEB SITE I DID IT ONCE  BUT I FORGOT. SO WHAT'S  THE ADDRESS WHATEVER YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO CALL THAT DAMN THING.   CAN SMILE OR DOGBONE  GIVE ME AN ANSWER IF I NEED TO ADD ANY FLIPS .


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: JeffRetro on June 25, 2009, 12:02:16 AM
WHERE DO I GO TO CHECK IT OUT THE WEB SITE I DID IT ONCE  BUT I FORGOT. SO WHAT'S  THE ADDRESS WHATEVER YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO CALL THAT DAMN THING.   CAN SMILE OR DOGBONE  GIVE ME AN ANSWER IF I NEED TO ADD ANY FLIPS .

Look at the bottom of any of SMiLE-Holland's posts; the bottom line of his signature has a direct link to the site.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: dogear on June 25, 2009, 05:18:04 AM

TOKENSURFER's Facebook photo album on the orange/yellow swirl labels has examples of 4 different pressings, 2 L.A. (#73 and #75) and 2 Scranton (#74 and #76) pressings, with the difference being the composer credit ("Brian Wilson" vs. "Brian Wilson/Mike Love").


There´s still a third east coast label variation:

(http://i44.tinypic.com/ajt738.jpg) (http://i44.tinypic.com/acbi4g.jpg) (http://i43.tinypic.com/2m6x1g0.jpg)
facebook # 74 + # 76

I think you can identify the different mixes by the master number (45-51190, 45-51179) found under the catalogue number 5118.

Hi Christian, the German Fun Fun Fun 45 (Capitol K 22679) was released with the two different master numbers as well; did you detect any aural differences?


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: dogear on June 25, 2009, 05:30:01 AM
The Best Of The Beach Boys EP (Little LP's Reissue LLP #189) mentions "The Star Line" on the cover, the label doesn't.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on June 26, 2009, 01:00:13 AM
WHERE DO I GO TO CHECK IT OUT THE WEB SITE I DID IT ONCE  BUT I FORGOT. SO WHAT'S  THE ADDRESS WHATEVER YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO CALL THAT DAMN THING.   CAN SMILE OR DOGBONE  GIVE ME AN ANSWER IF I NEED TO ADD ANY FLIPS .

Token,

Just in case you missed Jeff's reply: www.beachboys45.nl


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on June 26, 2009, 02:13:51 AM
I GOT IT THANKS. THERE'S A FEW FLIPS I HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE STILL I SEE. I'LL GET ON IT.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on June 28, 2009, 12:19:18 PM
just updated the site a bit. Just a few minor details. Corrected some typo's, etc.

And a few additions:
- 6094 Surfin' USA/Shut Down: a (probably rare) copy of a tan-C label of 6094 Surfin' USA WITH MONO annotation (picture of B-side will follow soon). And not avocado but tan-coloured. With thanks to Token.
- 6095 Surfin' Safari/409: a copy of the tan-C label, with ARR notation on the A-side, but WITHOUT ARR on the B-side. Thanks to Dogbone who noticed this strange combination on the scans on one of my copies.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on June 28, 2009, 11:58:41 PM
 I Have a confession to make .  i wanted Dogbone to lose sleep over all those brown coloured/colored starlines he didn't have. However i wii now announce that any brown or tan from  me are bogus yes i was having a little fun with Dogbone, i mean  i couldn't believe all those starlines he had  and i was green with envy.  So I apologise for any inconvenience or traumatisation i may have caused Dogbone or anyone else. i promise to behave from hereon in.   i hope you guys get over it soon.  most of my 35 copies are olive green or  avocado. i do not have a single brown or tan copy.   i know it was cruel and unusual punishment to  do that to DogbOne.  i am correcting it now.  and all of the flips on the avocado that are missing will be the proper olive green as my buddies and me   called it in the 80's .    i hadn't realised how many of the avocado olive green starlines Dogbone was missing.  Had i known I wouldn't have been so cruel. please forgive me. See I'm even doing it in this awful small font to beg for your forgiveness.  actually i've made a lot of extra work for myself  to make the  colour corrections,  so maybe  that little prank backfired on me after all.   please say something Dogbone. even  if it's to  bark or bite me.  but that gray one  I found was from an ebay auction.  the scan had to be off on that one.   and there were some brown ones from ebay auctions but i believe the scanners are not accurate.  i actually looked at mine  closely in the sunlight  and they are truly olive green.  And  Smile i tried to get a hold of you before you mentioned anything but i was too late.  but i sent Smile all my yellow swirls   and those are all genuine.   I know i'm bad but please don't banish me from the continuum.   
NOW IF THERE ARE TRULY BROWN ONES IN SOMEONE'S COLLECTION THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW. IT'S STRANGE THAT I DO NOT HAVE A SINGLE BROWN STARLINE.  SO SMILE UNDO MY SURFIN USA PLEASE.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on June 29, 2009, 12:41:45 AM
I Have a confession to make . 
...
However i wii now announce that any brown or tan from  me are bogus yes i was having a little fun with Dogbone,
...
please forgive me. See I'm even doing it in this awful small font to beg for your forgiveness. 

YOU CHEAT !!  ;D

Guess your were unfortunate that I was about to update the site that soon. Well, you'll have to wait a few more days before I remove/replace those tan/avocado 45's as I don't know when I have the time to update the site....

Guess whe have to respond by using a SMALLER font size from now on.  ::)  (how about this?)


And  Smile i tried to get a hold of you before you mentioned anything but i was too late.  but i sent Smile all my yellow swirls   and those are all genuine.   I know i'm bad but please don't banish me from the continuum.   
NOW IF THERE ARE TRULY BROWN ONES IN SOMEONE'S COLLECTION THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW. IT'S STRANGE THAT I DO NOT HAVE A SINGLE BROWN STARLINE.  SO SMILE UNDO MY SURFIN USA PLEASE.

Just one (serious) question on that Surfin USA tan/avocado/brown/whatever 45.
I'm still curious on that one. It clearly mentions MONO on the A-side. Did you paste that one in as well? If not, than I'm "obliged" to leave it in (albeit with a corrected label colour)



Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on June 29, 2009, 01:28:40 AM
IT'S OK SMILE  I NEVER TOUCHED THE PRINT. JUST THE COLOUR. oops i forgot small font.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Beach Head on June 29, 2009, 01:14:50 PM
most of my 35 copies are olive green or  avocado. i do not have a single brown or tan copy.

So does that put to rest your contention that the Tan/Brown and Avocado/Olive Green Starlines constitute two different labels, rather than just printing variations? Can we all agree that whatever color differences exist among the Tan/Avocado/Olive Green Starlines are simply the result of different printing plants and (I assume) different paper stocks over time? Let's put this to rest if we can.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on June 30, 2009, 02:09:53 AM
OH OH WHERE'S DOGBONE. OOPS back to this damn small font.  he may be too traumatised to respond. he may be recuperating in a rubber room after wasting all this time looking for brown starlines.  what a cruel fate i beset on thee.   
 not sp fast beach head. now that you have my full attention in this endeavour.   
YOU HAVE TO CHECK YOUR  STARLINES UNDER SUNLIGHT TO GET TRUE INDICATION OF WHAT COLOUR IS WHAT. AND BECAUSE ARE EYES DON'T SEE THE EXACT SAME SHADE OF OLIVE SOMETIMES IT COULD BE BROWNISH OR GREENISH BUT THE OLIVE IS THE KEY .   PAY ATTENTION SMILE. I HAVE NOW COMPARED EVERY SINGLE ONE UNDER SUNLIGHT. 
SURFER GIRL 6107 TWO OF FOUR ARE OLIVE BROWN
SURFIN SAFARI 6095 ONE IS OLIVE BROWN
MY SURFIN USA FIRST PRESSING IS AVOCADO
THE REST ARE OLIVE GREEN
MY SCANNER IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN OLIVE BROWN AND OLIVE GREEN.  BUT NEEDLESS TO SAY OUT OF 35 STARLINES OF THIS COLOUR  OLIVE GREEN DOMINATES.  SO I HAVE TO NOW USE THE COLOUR/COLOR SCALE TO TWEAK THE COLOR AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE TO THAT OLIVE BROWN  AND IT ISN'T GOING TO BE EASY I HAVE TO DO THE SAME FOR THE OLIVE GREEN . FOR SOME REASON MY SCANNER CAN'T QUITE GET IT EXACT. AND PUT THE OLIVE GREEN FLIPS UP THERE SO I KNOW WHICH ONES TO CHANGE SMILE.  I HAVE NOT ALTERED ANY FONT . I'LL SWEAR ON A STACK OF KENNY & CADETS RED & YELLOW VINYL. NOT THAT I CAN FIND A STACK OF 'EM BUT YOU GET THE IDEA.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on June 30, 2009, 03:46:43 AM
Hello Token,

Just watch out it won't backfire on you! Collector's can be so cruel...

I get the idea there's only a few minor shades-differences, whether you call it tan or avocado or beige. I think there could be a link between the different shades and the pressing plant, so I would also advise you to check initials in the run-out grooves. If we can discover similarities, then we'd be getting somewhere.

AND PUT THE OLIVE GREEN FLIPS UP THERE SO I KNOW WHICH ONES TO CHANGE SMILE. 

What do you mean exactly? I think that you can recognise your scans that are shown on the website. In most cases just an A- or B-side. I think it's up to you to decide whether a certain scan could be done better.
But if you mean something else, just let me know.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Beach Head on June 30, 2009, 10:42:46 AM
SO I HAVE TO NOW USE THE COLOUR/COLOR SCALE TO TWEAK THE COLOR AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE TO THAT OLIVE BROWN  AND IT ISN'T GOING TO BE EASY I HAVE TO DO THE SAME FOR THE OLIVE GREEN .

Token, please don't try to tweak the colors, even if it's with the best of intentions. You've already caused a problem doing that for another reason. Don't compound the situation.

One thing you're not taking into account is the impact of your monitor on what you're seeing. Monitors are rarely perfect reproducers of colors. Unless you've fine-tuned yours, you can't trust that what you're seeing on the screen is accurate. Which means that you may be screwing up a perfectly good scan, one that would be "just right" on a calibrated monitor.

If you're determined to try to tweak your scans to color perfection, then you need to calibrate your monitor's color reproduction capabilities. Go here to see what I'm talking about:

http://www.drycreekphoto.com/Learn/monitor_calibration.htm (http://www.drycreekphoto.com/Learn/monitor_calibration.htm)

Personally, I think it's not worth the time and trouble. Everybody else's monitor is likely to be off just a little, so it's not like it's really going to benefit anyone. Everybody's going to see something just a little bit different. I think the goal here should be to provide people a general guide to what they're going to find if they try to collect BB Starlines, not to illustrate minute shade differences between different pressings of the same record.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Beach Head on June 30, 2009, 11:40:07 AM
Asked a friend of mine who's in graphics design about calibrating monitors. He had two recommendation:

(1) Change the color temperature of your monitor to 6500K. Most monitors are set by default to 9300K, which gives everything a bluish tint. Usually this setting can be changed from the hardware menu accessed by pressing some of the adjustment buttons on the front of your monitor. (On my monitor, I found the color temperature settings under a menu item titled "Viewmatch Color.")

(2) Use a free program called QuickGamma to set the Brightness, Contrast and Gamma for your monitor. He said there are better professional programs, but they'll cost you more than a little. Here's the link to QuickGamma's webpage:

http://www.quickgamma.de/indexen.html (http://www.quickgamma.de/indexen.html)

The download button is at the bottom of that page.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on June 30, 2009, 03:24:59 PM
THANKS I'LL TRY ANYTHING AT THIS POINT.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Arapaho on June 30, 2009, 05:26:04 PM
 I've been following this thread( as a guest) and it's been quite interesting for me, as a casual collector, to know there are people who go to such lengths in their collecting. Of course, it stands to reason you'd do this because you want to know all you can about what you're collecting. ( not just to mess with people)
 The reason I registered, and am posting, is because I knew( In the back of my mind) it was only a matter of time before Rockford (DEFINTELY A TOKEN SURFER) would throw a monkey wrench into the group.
He can't help it; it's just the way he is.
Always has been, always will be.
All the way back to our early years in Vancouver and Memphis Beach.
Always puffing up, with nothing to back it up.
I wouldn't trust a single thing he's said to be true.
Your mileage may vary, of course.
Love ya Rich!

Arapaho


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on June 30, 2009, 11:12:41 PM
SPEAKING OF THROWING A MONKEY WRENCH  LOOK AT YOUR DOING.ARAPAHO.  I CAME CLEAN . AND THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING.  WE DO HAVE ALL THESE STARLINE LABELS. JEALOUSY DOESN'T BECOME YOU.  RIGHT BACK AT YA.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on June 30, 2009, 11:23:31 PM
YOUR RIGHT BEACH HEAD MONITORS ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT BUT AS I LOOK AT IT IN THE SUNLIGHT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE  TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT IT IS OLIVE GREEN OLIVE BROWN AND A FEW AVOOCADO.  THAT'S THE TRUE COLOURS I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH.    AS FAR AS ARAPAHO IS CONCERNED . HE COULDN'T RESIST GETTING A JAB IN THERE HIMSELF.  NOTHING'S CHANGED.   RIGHT OH SILVER TONGUED SURFER.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on July 01, 2009, 12:53:56 AM
C'mon folks, be nice... don't discourage the good work that is done here.   :)

Or are you both simply having a bit of fun on this subject?  ::)


... as a casual collector ...

Casual? Naaah, that can't be !  :-D


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: LeeDempsey on July 01, 2009, 11:15:05 AM
Well, "Dogbone" disappears, and "Arapaho" appears.  Arapaho, if you are who I think you are, I remember lots of fun with you, your dog Dibbles, and the girls on the beach.   (apologies to everyone for the inside jokes!)

Seriously, I think I may have been able to add a couple of things at the beginning of this thread, but I think all have been covered now.   But I'll pull out my old Starline box this weekend to confirm.

Arapaho, you still got that Phil Spector Gold Star acetate of "Don't Hurt My Little Sister?"    ;D

Lee


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Arapaho on July 01, 2009, 07:58:35 PM
yes.
( the walrus was Paul? )
 I remember only too well the trips RR  would take, only to come up short of breath in the hills. 
Like I said, your mileage may vary. Peoples make their own choices;
and yes, casual.
Maybe 'across the board' is better? Or maybe just not as serious as some of you.
BUt it's as interesting as anything I've read in quite some time.
 Who knew there were not only all of these different releases, but collectors out there buying them?
Going back to casual now.
Hope you see things through.
You'll need a lot more help, if you put your  trust in tokens.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on July 05, 2009, 11:23:00 PM
PLEASE PAY NO MIND TO ARAPAHO HE'S THE BIGGEST CON  WE'VE GOT GOIN' . AND SMILE WHAT'S THERE NOT TO TRUST YOU'VE GOT MY WHOLE YELLOW SWIRL COLLECTION . WHAT COULD LITTLE OLD ME POSSIBLY  DO  . WE'VE GOT AS MANY STARLINES OUT THERE AS WE POSSIBLY COULD . AND IF LEE COMES THRU WITH A  FEW MORE ALL THE BETTER.  THANKS LEE FOR ANY HELP.    AND LEAVE THE ANCIENT HISTORY WHERE IT SHOULD BE IN THE PAST ARAPAHO. WE'RE TALKING OVER 20 YRS AGO.   CAN'T WE JUST GET ALONG FOR MICHAEL JACKSON'S  SAKE.  PLEASE.  OOPS IS THAT ARAPAHO PUKING  IN THE TOILET.  IT MUST HAVE BEEN SOMETHING HE DIGESTED TOO MANY TOKENS I SUPPOSE.  IT'S BEEN A REAL SLICE ARAPAHO.  AND A HAPPY 4TH TO YA  ALL  IN THE U S OF A.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on July 06, 2009, 12:00:36 AM
I'm obviously not a long-time fan and collector like you guys, and not part of the (hard core collector's) club, let alone your joint history. So I might not totally understand the hassle...

But I'm trying to look forward on this project and get the best possible result with ALL of you.... I'm very happy with the result thus far, thanks to you all (save a joke or two, but if we can move on on a serious note from now on, we forget about that)

So I'm not asking you to kiss and make up ... just don't let possible inner conflicts let this project fall apart.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Jason on July 14, 2009, 11:01:42 PM
Amazing how great threads turn to sh*t so easily because one dude has to pimp up his overbearingly pathetic collection of reissues and people actually call him out on it.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on July 15, 2009, 12:16:51 AM
don't worry, work still continues... until now there are still weekly updates.  :)


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on July 16, 2009, 12:01:17 AM
NO SENSE OF HUMOUR. I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT HUMOUR IS A VERY CULTURAL. UNIQUE TO EACH COUNTRY.  AND IT TRANSLATES POORLY  WHEN POSTING .  NEVERTHELESS THE CAPITOL STARLINES  ARE COMPLETED.  YE HAVE LITTLE FAITH WHAT'S LIFE WITHOUT A LITTLE CONTROVERSY . IT  WOULD BE TOO BORING. 


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Jason on July 19, 2009, 11:32:35 AM
Oh, boo-hoo. You got caught in a "joke" and get this...it wasn't funny! My advice to you is to take the tongue lashings like a man and don't try to pimp up your overbearingly pathetic collection of reissues, especially on a BEACH BOYS forum where people without stuff hate those who do just by association.

Perhaps now you should try and tell me you have everything the band has in their tape vault, right? Surely THAT one will go unchallenged, right?


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: TOKENSURFER on July 19, 2009, 09:39:23 PM
WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR PROBLEM . YOU CAN;T  TAKE A JOKE .   MAN UP AND TAKE IT. AND I AM NOT THE ONE WITH ALL THE REISSUES . WHY DON'T YOU GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.  IT'S DOGBONE THAT HAS 95% OF IT  I ONLY ADDED 5% TO WHAT HE DIDN'T HAVE. AND I HAVE LESS THAN HALF OF WHAT DOGBONE HAS IN CAPITOL REISSUES.   GEE DEAR YOU GOT A COMPLEX.   GET OVER IT.  THE REAL BEACH BOY!! ONE THIN DIME JUST ONE-TENTH OF A DOLLAR  COME AND SEE STELLA THE SNAKE DANCER  , STEP RIGHT UP FOLKS  AND SEE THE REAL BEACH BOY, LOOKS LIKE  A FAKE TO ME. .    NOW LET'S LEAVE IT ALONE.  ENOUGH ALREADY. BUT I KNOW YOU CAN'T RESIST.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on July 19, 2009, 11:27:30 PM
C'mon, behave kids. This has nothing to do with this topic anymore. Back to "Starline" please.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: dogear on July 20, 2009, 03:00:00 AM
C'mon, behave kids. This has nothing to do with this topic anymore. Back to "Starline" please.
Exactly!!


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Jason on July 20, 2009, 06:22:38 PM
I knew I needed to punctuate my posts with a smiley to indicate a joke.

No hard feelings, Token. I'm just kidding with you.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on July 21, 2009, 12:45:31 AM
Work continues.
Now that the Starlines are nearing completion (if that is ever possible), I already took the freedom to start adding pictures to other US re-issues (Capitol, Warner/Reprise, etc.) as well.
Just a start, not complete by a long shot, but I think it will trigger things to get these sections complete as well.

And we haven't even started with the regular releases yet...  :ahh


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Beach Head on July 26, 2009, 08:47:23 AM
Two of our "missing" Starlines showed up on eBay recently:

(1) "When I Grow Up" b/w "She Knows Me Too Well" (6204) on the Rainbow Colorband label. It was the only Starline single we hadn't yet confirmed on that label.

http://cgi.ebay.com/THE-BEACH-BOYS-WHEN-I-GROW-UP-MINT-7-SINGLE-1964_W0QQitemZ400061791579 (http://cgi.ebay.com/THE-BEACH-BOYS-WHEN-I-GROW-UP-MINT-7-SINGLE-1964_W0QQitemZ400061791579)

(2) "Wendy" b/w "Little Honda" (6205) on the Blue label with the "A" prefix.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Beach-Boys-Unplayed-45-Wendy-Little-Honda_W0QQitemZ350230338474 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Beach-Boys-Unplayed-45-Wendy-Little-Honda_W0QQitemZ350230338474)

Therefore, it seems an appropriate time to post another revision of THE LIST.  Our "Want List" continues to shrink!

--------------------

Revision #5 (7/26/09) of THE LIST:

6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room (08/65)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6060 - Ten Little Indians/She Knows Me Too Well (08/65)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target

6081 - Help Me, Rhonda/Do You Wanna Dance? (07/66)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6094 - Surfin’ U.S.A./Shut Down (10/66)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6095 - Surfin’ Safari/409 (10/66)
     Green Swirl
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun (06/67)
     Light Green (promo)
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband

6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love (06/67)
     Light Green (promo)
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6107 - Surfer Girl/Little Deuce Coupe (06/67)
     Light Green (promo)
     Red/White Target
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6132 - Good Vibrations/Barbara Ann (12/69)
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     Tan (C logo)

6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well (05/74)
     Tan (C logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband

6205 - Wendy/Little Honda (05/74)
     Tan (C logo)
     Tan (dome logo)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband

6259 - Barbara Ann/Little Honda (06/78)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6277 - Little Saint Nick/The Lord’s Prayer (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6280 - I Get Around/Don't Worry Baby (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6289 - California Girls/Let Him Run Wild (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6295 - Sloop John B/You're So Good To Me (11/81)
     Blue (A prefix)
     Blue (X prefix)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

6330 - Good Vibrations/Wouldn't It Be Nice (??/83)
     Rainbow Colorband
     Purple

--------------------

The "PROBABLY NON-EXISTENT" list:

6060 - Ten Little Indians/She Knows Me Too Well (08/65)
     Red/White Target with "Subsidiary" notation
     ALL LATER STARLINE LABEL VARIATIONS

6105 - Dance, Dance, Dance/Warmth Of The Sun (06/67)
     Purple

6132 - Good Vibrations/Barbara Ann (12/69)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     ALL LATER STARLINE LABEL VARIATIONS

6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well (05/74)
     Purple

6205 - Wendy/Little Honda (05/74)
     Purple

--------------------

And the updated "WANT LIST":

6059 - Be True To Your School/In My Room (08/65)
     Blue (A prefix)

6106 - Fun, Fun, Fun/Why Do Fools Fall In Love (06/67)
     Blue (A prefix)

6204 - When I Grow Up/She Knows Me Too Well (05/74)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation
     Tan (dome logo)

6205 - Wendy/Little Honda (05/74)
     Tan (C logo) with “All Rights Reserved” notation

6259 - Barbara Ann/Little Honda (06/78)
     Tan (dome logo)


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: toadota on August 10, 2009, 04:23:08 PM
If you want to see an authentic Best of the Beach Boys LP with the black starline label, check out ebay item #330351165058, or search on Ebay for "capitol black starline". They are rare!


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: toadota on August 10, 2009, 06:01:43 PM
If you want to see an authentic Best of the Beach Boys LP with the black starline label, check out ebay item #330351165058, or search on Ebay for "capitol black starline". They are rare!


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on August 21, 2009, 12:53:46 PM
After a month hiatus (holidays et all), I finally had some time on my hands again to give the Starline site (quite) a few new additions. Red-Target, Blue (A- and X-prefix), TanC's and Rainbow, you name it. With many thanks to those who help out delivering scans and providing me of information. It's very much appreciated.

http://www.beachboys45.nl



Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: donald on August 25, 2009, 08:20:52 AM
Glad I'm not a completist.  I have some starline releases in my rather large BB collection but I always treated them as reissues...that is I didn't assign "worth" to them as I did original releases on the old Capitol rainbow LPs or the orange/yellow swirl labels of the 45's.  I did notice the variety of labels. 


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on September 20, 2009, 12:37:20 PM
In case anyone wonders: work hasn't stagnated. Behind the curtains work is still in progress and the site is updated regularly, thanks to a few devoted fans that have helped me out tremendously.
Only thing that really has to be worked on is he layout, but that will happen eventually.

And if you're checking the site and think you can add something new to the still expanding collection of Starline 45's (or other re-releases), don't hesitate, and send me a PM! Scans of unknown US-45's are always welcome!


http://www.beachboys45.nl


Title: Update Starline website - other US-reissues, regular US-issues added (and more)
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on November 13, 2010, 04:21:22 AM
Has it really been more than a year since this topic was replied to? Time for an update...


Together with a few dedicated fans and collectors the Starline website has expanded into a lot more than just Starline reissues. Earlier this year we've started to make another section with other US-reissues (Capitol, Brother/Reprise, and a lot of other low-budget releases). And the last couple of months we've started with the regular rleases as well. This section hasn't been finished yet. Thus far "only" Capitol and Brother-Reprise, but if you take a look you'll be surprised how many 45's - and how many variations - have been released! No need to say that even the most fanatic collector has dicovered a large number of Beach Boys 45's he didn't know about. It really is a fun experience. We hope to "finish" the US-section in the next couple of months, but seeing all variations we kinda suspect that a complete US-overview is nearly impossible...

Although the U.S.A. alone gives work for several more months (years) to go), it was decided to add other countries as well. I've started with adding The Netherlands and South Africa (my personal favorites). But there's room for more...

So:
- if you have a US Beach Boys single release or reissue that is not shown yet on the website, or
- if you have a pretty much complete collection of 45's from a certain country and would like to show the Beach Boys collectors world what it looks like,
feel free to send an e-mail (info@beachboys45.nl), and we'll gladly help you out to make this possible.

But if you're just curious, please give the Beach Boys Starlines (http://www.beachboys45.nl) website a visit.



Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on June 20, 2011, 08:05:58 AM
... and another update.

Work has been progressing on the USA section. We'd like to say that we're near completion, but we know better...  ;D
But we do think that we've covered at about everything we wanted to. There's sections for the regular issues (including, promo's, testpressings, EP,s promotional items, bootlegs, solo, flexi's, produced by, etc), Starline reissues, and other reissues.
Of course from time to time someone will find yet another variation, which will be added. And we do want to show more solo stuff. The David Marks and (especially) Bruce Johnston pages are far from complete. So if you have a large BJ 45-collection (and proud of it), please send us an e-mail.

If you have some spare time on your hands. feel free to take a look at the Beach Boys Starlines (http://www.beachboys45.nl) website.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES - Canada. Belgium, Germany added - next project: U.K.
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on January 01, 2012, 08:52:07 AM
An update...

A lot of work has been done last couple of months to add new countries. Germany, Belgium and - as from today - Canada have pretty much been completed. Well... completed... we probably have most of them 45's covered, but if anyone can help out filling the blank spots, feel free to get in contact with us.


For those who are curious: Beach Boys Starlines (http://www.beachboys45.nl).


Next country we'll be working on is the United Kingdom !



Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES - Canada. Belgium, Germany added - next project: U.K.
Post by: bgas on January 02, 2012, 06:38:45 AM
An update...

A lot of work has been done last couple of months to add new countries. Germany, Belgium and - as from today - Canada have pretty much been completed. Well... completed... we probably have most of them 45's covered, but if anyone can help out filling the blank spots, feel free to get in contact with us.


For those who are curious: Beach Boys Starlines (http://www.beachboys45.nl).


Next country we'll be working on is the United Kingdom !



As a collector I'm constantly amazed by the depth of the site and the amazing number of releases; many of which are revelations. Makes me wish to have obtained them, and certainly, to have the luck to be here when the site is complete( or 98%)
 Incredible to imagine all of the records shown beiing owned by just a few people
I wish any future collectors good luck in amassing a collection based on this research.


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: metal flake paint on January 02, 2012, 06:11:31 PM
Quote
I wish any future collectors good luck in amassing a collection based on this research.

Thanks, it's a mammoth task  ;)


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: bgas on January 03, 2012, 04:52:54 PM
Quote
I wish any future collectors good luck in amassing a collection based on this research.

Thanks, it's a mammoth task  ;)

Well heckfire!  Just give me top dollar and I'll sell you a bunch of em...


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on June 01, 2012, 06:12:58 AM
....aaaaaaaaannnnnd a new update:

Just added:
United Kingdom (http://www.beachboys45.nl/UK.htm)
Mexico (http://www.beachboys45.nl/Mexico.htm)

Next countries we'll be working on are France and Australia!



Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: bgas on June 01, 2012, 06:49:55 AM
....aaaaaaaaannnnnd a new update:

Just added:
United Kingdom (http://www.beachboys45.nl/UK.htm)
Mexico (http://www.beachboys45.nl/Mexico.htm)

Next countries we'll be working on are France and Australia!



Really?  I was so hoping to see some more esoteric countries such as Pakistan or USSR( any of the sub-countries would be hip)


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on June 01, 2012, 10:07:06 AM
....aaaaaaaaannnnnd a new update:

Just added:
United Kingdom (http://www.beachboys45.nl/UK.htm)
Mexico (http://www.beachboys45.nl/Mexico.htm)

Next countries we'll be working on are France and Australia!

Really?  I was so hoping to see some more esoteric countries such as Pakistan or USSR( any of the sub-countries would be hip)

But... but... I thought you already had complete series of 45's of these countries in your collection?

 ;D


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on August 12, 2012, 01:53:04 PM
New country added: France !!

http://www.beachboys45.nl/France.htm

Next one's Australia...


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: metal flake paint on August 14, 2012, 01:21:00 AM
New country added: France !!

http://www.beachboys45.nl/France.htm

Next one's Australia...

Paradise found  :woot


Title: Re: www.beachboys45.nl > new country added: Australia !
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on November 16, 2012, 05:00:08 AM
... aaaaand the Australia section is done  !  (well... pretty much)


http://www.beachboys45.nl/Australia.htm


We'll continue with some more obscure countries for a change...


Title: Re: www.beachboys45.nl
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on October 14, 2013, 07:48:27 AM
Work continues on the Starline website. During the first half of 2013 yet another European country made it's appearance: Greece. Also added is the first Asian country on our website: India. And last but not least a South America section was completed, including Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Columbia, Costa Rica, Peru and Uruguay.
Please have a look at Beach Boys Starlines (http://www.beachboys45.nl).

Due to the holidays work temporary stopped in August and September, but we're busy catching up. Several devoted fans/collectors have sent us scans of new variations. Some already added, others like Mexico, Brazil, Rhodesia yet to be included. And during my holiday I got me some new South African variations. Currently we're working on a new country, Italy!  And after that we want to expand the Asia section a bit as well...  Stay tuned !


Title: Re: BB STARLINE REISSUES
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 14, 2013, 08:57:21 AM
Quote
I wish any future collectors good luck in amassing a collection based on this research.

Thanks, it's a mammoth task  ;)

No... but this is !

(http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/AZ_Skies_Links/Mammoth_Tusks/Mammoth_Tusk_23.jpg)

Err... I may have slightly misread that post...


Title: Re: www.beachboys45.nl
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on April 06, 2014, 09:23:00 AM
Well, the Italy-section was added last year, and in the mean while we've been very busy with an Asian country: JAPAN. We finally finished it... well sort of. As you can see there's a few gaps to fill, especially on the Capitol (and Stateside) pages. We're pretty sure that eacht release can be found on both black and red vinyl, but to find them all is quite a challenge. What you see here is collected from 5 - 6 hard core collectors. So if you happen to have a Japanese BB single or EP, and you can't find it on our website, feel free to share it with us !

Beach Boys Starlines (http://www.beachboys45.nl).




Note: and as we speak the first fan had already chimed in: 2 more red vinyl additions are on it's way + couple of promo's !


Title: Re: www.beachboys45.nl
Post by: bgas on April 06, 2014, 11:53:15 AM
Well, the Italy-section was added last year, and in the mean while we've been very busy with an Asian country: India. We finally finished it... well sort of. As you can see there's a few gaps to fill, especially on the Capitol (and Stateside) pages. We're pretty sure that eacht release can be found on both black and red vinyl, but to find them all is quite a challenge. What you see here is collected from 5 - 6 hard core collectors. So if you happen to have a Japanese BB single or EP, and you can't find it on our website, feel free to share it with us !

Beach Boys Starlines (http://www.beachboys45.nl).




Note: and as we speak the first fan had already chimed in: 2 more red vinyl additions are on it's way + couple of promo's !

India had red vinyls?


Title: Re: www.beachboys45.nl
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on April 06, 2014, 01:02:40 PM
Well, the Italy-section was added last year, and in the mean while we've been very busy with an Asian country: India. We finally finished it... well sort of. As you can see there's a few gaps to fill, especially on the Capitol (and Stateside) pages. We're pretty sure that eacht release can be found on both black and red vinyl, but to find them all is quite a challenge. What you see here is collected from 5 - 6 hard core collectors. So if you happen to have a Japanese BB single or EP, and you can't find it on our website, feel free to share it with us !

Beach Boys Starlines (http://www.beachboys45.nl).




Note: and as we speak the first fan had already chimed in: 2 more red vinyl additions are on it's way + couple of promo's !

India had red vinyls?

Yes, they do now.  ;D

Nope, my bad, I meant Japan of course.


Title: Re: www.beachboys45.nl
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on August 06, 2014, 09:40:06 AM
Back to Europe: we have just launched a new section/country: Portugal !

Beach Boys Starlines (http://www.beachboys45.nl).


And for those who are interested; next country we will be working on is Sweden.


Title: Re: www.beachboys45.nl
Post by: metal flake paint on August 06, 2014, 03:55:57 PM
Back to Europe: we have just launched a new section/country: Portugal !

Beach Boys Starlines (http://www.beachboys45.nl).


And for those who are interested; next country we will be working on is Sweden.

It's looking good, Klaas!


Title: Re: www.beachboys45.nl
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on August 20, 2014, 02:21:36 AM
Back to Europe: we have just launched a new section/country: Portugal !

Beach Boys Starlines (http://www.beachboys45.nl).


And for those who are interested; next country we will be working on is Sweden.

It's looking good, Klaas!

Thanks.

And did I say 'Sweden'? Could be Spain as well. But both are in the making.


Title: Re: www.beachboys45.nl
Post by: bgas on August 20, 2014, 07:26:46 PM
Back to Europe: we have just launched a new section/country: Portugal !

Beach Boys Starlines (http://www.beachboys45.nl).


And for those who are interested; next country we will be working on is Sweden.

It's looking good, Klaas!

Thanks.

And did I say 'Sweden'? Could be Spain as well. But both are in the making.

Sounds like you guys just can't make up yer mind(s) !! 
How many countries are undocumented on your site?  ( That have known releases) 


Title: Re: www.beachboys45.nl
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on August 20, 2014, 11:53:02 PM
Sounds like we need another fan in the team helping us making smart decisions   ;D




Title: Re: www.beachboys45.nl
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 15, 2016, 06:41:17 AM
It has been quite a while since we last posted updates here. In fact there wasn't done much work at all these last 8 or so months... but we're back. To get back on track we started with a few obscure countries: Pakistan and Lebanon. And now we've just (and finally) added Sweden and Denmark. Last year we added Spain. So most of Europe is available now. Just a few Euro-countries left - Norway, Yougoslavia, Ireland, and - a bit of a stretch - Poland (if those flexi postcards count as well). We still have to to decide which country is next... and as there's a lot of additions for currently available countries, we'll concentrate on those first.

If you're interested have a look at: Beach Boys Starlines (http://www.beachboys45.nl)


Title: Re: www.beachboys45.nl
Post by: JK on May 15, 2016, 06:49:07 AM
Wow, what a fantastic site, a real labour of love.

Petje af, SMiLE-Holland!


Title: Re: www.beachboys45.nl
Post by: Ian on May 15, 2016, 06:52:30 AM
What jumps out at me is how poorly the bbs were promoted around the world. They used the same 1962 surfing picture till 1965 and than a smiling 1964 shot till 1967. No wonder the bbs had a hard time shaking their clean cut surfing image in the late 1960s.  Couldn't the label have acquired different up to date photos for each release? The Beatles were far better promoted