Ten Years Of Harmony - Please help!

[punkinhead]

Best of the Brother Years (if i remember right) was also to include a 2nd cd that coincided with BB: An American Family (being that it was released after the premiere) and it was to include non hits included in the movie: Their Hearts were full of Spring, the Lord's Prayer, Let the Wind Blow, etc.

[Bicyclerider]

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Hmmm... I hung around ye olde smileshop a lot, made my fair share of contributions, got myself involved in a lot of discussions, but that's one I don't remember at all.

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Desmond I remember you well at the smileshop  - you contributed some session dates and tapebox information that I've saved to this day and used in my "Smile primer" (which was ripped off for Badman's book, by the way).  But I remember the exchange with Brad equally well because when i suggested that Sound of Free might have been included Brad got very "snippy" and insulting towards me, like I hadn't understood what he had said about the inclusion of "charting singles."  You must have missed that thread.

I have nothing personal against Brad - well, he did take my money for First Wave and never returned it - but he did "con" a lot of people out of money for the Smile photograph set, the updated Surf's Up book, and First Wave.  He was relieved of his BRI liner note writing duties for some good reasons, not the least of which was his involvement in booting Beach Boys material.  But I don't think anyone can fault his research (and his liner notes for the stereo/mono Pet Sounds remain far superior to Leaf's which were substituted after his "firing").

[Fall Breaks]

18. Rock ‘n’ Roll to the Rescue [#68] (1986) (single version – currently unavailable on CD)

Since this thread already has gone off its topic I might just contribute to that

What's the difference between the single version of RNRttR and the one on Made In USA (assuming that this would be the LP version)?

[MBE]

Fall Breaks It's a shorter edit

Desmond again I welcome you here and I am not trying to discredit what you are saying. As far as what he had it was an very early rough draft for a Beach Boys book that I have been working on for many years. It had some research I did that still hasn't been published. I don't know if he was going to use it for sure, but some of the things he had planned were close to my format. Because of the situation with Diane, Capitol contacted me about Brad and I let them know that he did have some material of mine that he did not have my permission to use. No doubt he did some great work and research in his day but I do have a hard time seeing the good side of him personally.

[c-man]

OK, at this point we should probably be moved into a new thread on the topic of Brad Elliott and Capitol Records, but I thought I'd throw this out for discussion:  during Brad's employment with Capitol, he vigorously debated two long-held notions:  (1) that Capitol "forced" Brian to include Sloop John B. on Pet Sounds against his will, and (2) that Capitol did little to promote Pet Sounds, thus resulting in its relative chart failure.  He quoted some documentation to support this revisionist claim, which I think I saved somewhere...so I'll look when I have time, unless someone else has it readily available. 

I'm just wondering if Brad's claims in this regard are now accepted by the fandom hierachy (AGD for instance), or if this is still debatable, and if so, may therefore be considered an example of Brad's "towing the Capitol party line". 

Thanks

[MBE]

Good question C Man. I would like to know if Good Vibrations was really forced on Smile or Smiley too.

[petsite]

First off...Desmond...so good to see you again. We know each other, but I won't say from where!

On the TYOH topic I started, the 45 mixes included on that collection have  all been released on CD except for the 45 mix of School Days.

The US CD has the 45 mixes of Cool Cool Water and It's a Beautiful Day.

GH Vol. 3 had the 45 mixes of California, Rock And Roll Music, and It's Ok.

And the Warmth Of The Sun collection had Cool Cool Water again!

A couple of years ago I brought up the fact that Andrew Doe in his book said he was told that the 45 master of Rock And Roll Music had been rendered unuseable. Yet Brad Elliott said Andrew S. had no problem finding it and using it on GH3. Who was telling the truth? They both were. Because Alan Boyd said on this very board that "As for the story about the original single master of R&R MUSIC self-destructing?  Hmmm.... Maybe that would explain why the documentation indicates that we only have eq'd safety copies."

Bob
 

[Desmond Jones]

it was an very early rough draft for a Beach Boys book that I have been working on for many years. It had some research I did that still hasn't been published.

Cool. What was it about? Are you still gonna get it out? Have you thought about making it available online or as a downloadable ebook?

And wasn't it some character with the handle "Cam Mott" who argued so vigorously that Capitol had actually done a credible amount of promotion for Pet Sounds? Is he still around?

[MBE]

The meat of the book is the making of each original album and single with new interviews, critiques, and some biography. I like all the Beach Boys so everyone will be given their due. As a major vinyl collector I also put in a lot of info as to what has and hasn't been released on that format. I expect it to be done by the end of the year. I finished the first draft years ago, but only now as I am doing the final draft am I truly happy with it.. I am editing the Carl and the Passions section right now and as I already did Holland and In Concert should be moving on to Child Of Winter next. It would have been done several years ago but I freelance on other music related books which do take up a good deal of time.
Thanks for the interest about it and this board will get a lot of credit in the final product.

[mikeyj]

Sounds great MBE!! In the near future will we be able to view a preview of what it's going to be like? I'm sure I'll be buying one when you're done

[The Shift]

Likewise MBE. Looking forward to it.

[mikeyj]

By the way MBE, do you have a title for the book yet?

[MBE]

Thanks guys I really realized being on here that people were open to some new viewpoints, instead of Brian and the five a--holes or Brian being a 320 pound drug addicted recluse by 1968. I try to make it as fact based as possible and present all sides.. Sail On Sailor alone has about five different renditions of how it was written. They will all be included and dissected. I Can Hear Music will be the title. As far as a preview I can't do that as of yet,  but if you have read my posts you basically know my views. Certainly  I offer more personal opinion or speculation here. Again I do try to be objective as I feel each and every Beach Boys deserves his due.

[Bicyclerider]

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And wasn't it some character with the handle "Cam Mott" who argued so vigorously that Capitol had actually done a credible amount of promotion for Pet Sounds? Is he still around?

Cam "signboy" Mott is indeed still around and posts occasionally.