SMILE tracks on 1993 boxed set

[chris.metcalfe]

Probably a topic that's been covered, but I must have missed it.

It always struck me as strange that although D Leaf used the boxed set opportunity to release a number of Smile tracks, including Wonderful, Wind Chimes, Do You Like Worms and Love to say Dada, one other key track then available - Child is Father of the Man - wasn't on it. 'Fire' I can understand as it was said at the time that had he requested its inclusion, Brian/BB would have pulled the whole lot. Similarly, 'Look' and others - relatively incomplete. Am I right in thinking that Child is the only original and major Smile song not to have had an official release (BWPS aside)?

[Bill Tobelman]

There's "Barnyard" and "I'm In Great Shape" unless you count the Humble Harve "Heroes" preview as a release, "Old Master Painter/Sunshine" and then the ones you mentioned like "Look," "Child Is Father,""Holidays," and "Fire."

Brian wanted nothing to do with the SMiLE stuff on the GV box set. David Leaf had to work at convincing Brian that the stuff should be on the collection.

[mistermono]

Wasn't there mention here some time ago that CITFOTM was considered for the Hawthorne CA comp?  I'm thinking someone said a stereo mix of the BW '66 backing track edit was prepared.

[Roger Ryan]

Wasn't there mention here some time ago that CITFOTM was considered for the Hawthorne CA comp?  I'm thinking someone said a stereo mix of the BW '66 backing track edit was prepared.

I don't think there was a stereo remix done, but the original 3 minute mono mix of the CITFOTM backing track was under consideration for HAWTHORNE, CA.

Given that the GV box set is an overview of the Beach Boys entire career, I'm surprised as much SMiLE material made it on there. As much as I love it, one does get the feeling that Disc 2 is taking a pretty long detour into previously unreleased material.

[Rocker]

I think CIFOTM was considered for "Endless harmony" but I could be wrong

[Bicyclerider]

At the time of the boxed set Brian was still very touchy and freaked out by all things Smile - the decision was to try to put Smile versions of previously released Beach Boys song on the box set, so it wouldn't freak out Brian as much.   Brian had to approve the track list and in essence Leaf et al were kind of "putting one over" on him because he sees Wondeful, Wind Chimes, Heroes and nothing rings alarm bells.  At Dominic's insistence, I believe, Worms was put on the list, and Dada - and Brian approved it to the relief of all concerned although I understand it took some convincing.

[Dancing Bear]

I think half of the deal was making sure that Brian wouldn't give an interview the next week complaining that the Smile tracks in the box set were included against his wishes.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Main reason the "CIFTTM" track wasn't on the 1993 box is because it wasn't discovered until the research for Endless Harmony... during which the master for "Battle Hymn..." was also located (and i've told that tale so often, I'll not bore you with it again).

[Sam_BFC]

I haven't heard it Mr Doe...What is Battle Hymn?

Sam

[the captain]

What is Battle Hymn?

Only the single greatest Beach Boys recording ever!

(That or proof that not everything unreleased is some lost gem...)

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord -- EVERYBODY, SING ALONG.

[Andrew G. Doe]

The recording of "Battle Hymn Of The Republic" is possibly the best gag Brian ever pulled on Mike. The whole song is taken at just too fast a lick for Mike to sing comfortably... OK, to draw breath, actually. 

Not forgetting the world's worst recorded banjo solo, of course...

[bossaroo]

Not forgetting the world's worst recorded banjo solo, of course...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QrzZPXe0pU

[Black Tiger]

Main reason the "CIFTTM" track wasn't on the 1993 box is because it wasn't discovered until the research for Endless Harmony... during which the master for "Battle Hymn..." was also located (and i've told that tale so often, I'll not bore you with it again).

Is there a reason Child didn't end up on EH? Or later on Hawthorne?

[punkinhead]

if BW was having trouble accepting Smile tunes getting released...at least the ones they did release were in the right order....imagine trying to put that CITFOTM together....everyone thought the piano part started it...now on BWPS, the piano part is the ending...I'm sure Brian didn't want to deal with putting that stuff together

[Chris Moise]

Main reason the "CIFTTM" track wasn't on the 1993 box is because it wasn't discovered until the research for Endless Harmony... during which the master for "Battle Hymn..." was also located (and i've told that tale so often, I'll not bore you with it again).

Any idea how the sound quality is on the vintage mono mix of CITFOTM?  The reason I ask is the version in circulation is such poor quality. Is there a tape source in the vault that has the chorus vox?

[MBE]

I always thought there were a few bad edits of the Smile stuff on the boxset. Vega-tables comes to mind.

[Jay]

On the subject of the 1993 Smile songs on the box set, what's the story with the speed problems on Do You Like Worms?

[Jason]

if BW was having trouble accepting Smile tunes getting released...at least the ones they did release were in the right order....imagine trying to put that CITFOTM together....everyone thought the piano part started it...now on BWPS, the piano part is the ending...I'm sure Brian didn't want to deal with putting that stuff together

Technically, the three minute track edit has a similar BWPS setup. Not totally similar, but similar. It also has the piano near the end.

[Jason]

Main reason the "CIFTTM" track wasn't on the 1993 box is because it wasn't discovered until the research for Endless Harmony... during which the master for "Battle Hymn..." was also located (and i've told that tale so often, I'll not bore you with it again).

Any idea how the sound quality is on the vintage mono mix of CITFOTM?  The reason I ask is the version in circulation is such poor quality. Is there a tape source in the vault that has the chorus vox?

The circulating version is sourced from a late '66 acetate, on which Brian had a few other things of note, like a late '66 edit of DYLW with some different vocals during the "Hawaiian" section.

[Dove Nested Towers]

I always thought there were a few bad edits of the Smile stuff on the boxset. Vega-tables comes to mind.

I had heard that Mark Linett swore that he didn't edit Vegetables or DYLW and found those versions as is, but did edit the extended H&V.

[MBE]

Well Vega-Tables sounds a bit akward and Andrew's book says the last part is a section of Wonderful so I assumed it was an edit for the box. None of the boot versions I heard sound that way which I guess doesn't mean much.

[Chris Brown]

Well Vega-Tables sounds a bit akward and Andrew's book says the last part is a section of Wonderful so I assumed it was an edit for the box. None of the boot versions I heard sound that way which I guess doesn't mean much.

Yeah that last section was most definitely edited on for the box...I love that section as a part of Vega-Tables, but it would surprise me if it was actually cut for Vega-Tables.  I could hear it being a section cut for Wonderful, since it is very similar to the "hey bop a-re bop" section on Smiley.

[c-man]

Well Vega-Tables sounds a bit akward and Andrew's book says the last part is a section of Wonderful so I assumed it was an edit for the box. None of the boot versions I heard sound that way which I guess doesn't mean much.

Yeah that last section was most definitely edited on for the box...I love that section as a part of Vega-Tables, but it would surprise me if it was actually cut for Vega-Tables.  I could hear it being a section cut for Wonderful, since it is very similar to the "hey bop a-re bop" section on Smiley.

But consider this:  the ambience on that "fade-out" section is definitely that of Gold Star, rather than Western or Sound Recorders, and there was a Vegatables tracking session at Gold Star (on April 12th '67, followed by a vocal session at Sound Recorders later that day), but no Wonderful sessions were held there...

[The Shift]

Things is, that fade is another variation on the Bicycle Rider theme!  Wasn't eh tale that David Leaf had it edited on to Veggies as a surreptitious way of getting more SMiLE material released officially under Brian's nose? To my ears it had nothing to do with Veggies and the fact that it resembles the mid-section of Smiley Veggies was DL's excuse for sneaking it on to the SMiLE version.

[c-man]

Things is, that fade is another variation on the Bicycle Rider theme!  Wasn't eh tale that David Leaf had it edited on to Veggies as a surreptitious way of getting more SMiLE material released officially under Brian's nose? To my ears it had nothing to do with Veggies and the fact that it resembles the mid-section of Smiley Veggies was DL's excuse for sneaking it on to the SMiLE version.

'Course, recycling riffs between songs and even between movements would not have been out-of-the-question for SMiLE.