Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again

[hypehat]

Eh? Never heard that on any Carry Me Home I possess.

[AndrewHickey]

Eh? Never heard that on any Carry Me Home I possess.

On the California Feeling bootleg. But it's actually Mike talking about one of Brian's songs (I think I'll Bet He's Nice) from the Love You demo tape, flown in by the bootlegger.

[AndrewHickey]

Despite rumors to the contrary, Mike likes Til' I Die at least for the last decade or so. He's done it at Mike & Bruce shows.

Mike can never leave a positive alone when he can dump a negative on top of it.

 ""I didn’t hate the song." responded Mike Love when asked that question directly, "I just thought that it was a poor choice to end the album with. I mean, here we had this mostly positive, good feeling collection of songs, and he wanted to end it with this negative, depressing dirge."

The only source I can find for that quote is http://www.surfermoon.com/essays/talesalt.html -- which is a work of fiction set in an alternative timeline.

[LeeDempsey]

No guarantee that the version this guy now has is unmixed, unmastered, whatever.

Capitol isn't going to pay a mastering engineer to work on a rough draft tracklisting cd that was never intended to be heard outside of their offices.  Besides, the disc says as much.  This isn't mastered.  The track was removed before the comp ever got to that stage.

I was told by a friend that several mixes/edits of "Live Again" have been prepared since it was discovered, and when it was last played for me (last summer), I'm fairly certain it was stated that I was listening to a new edit.  That would lead me to believe that the version on Beachboys_Fr's reference disc is an earlier mix/edit that may never see release -- which would increase the value of his investment.

And no, I've never been given a copy of "Live Again," and would never ask for one.  I'm just fortunate to have been able to help out on a couple of archival projects, and hear a few things in a controlled environment.

Lee

[Cabinessenceking]

Eh? Never heard that on any Carry Me Home I possess.

On the California Feeling bootleg. But it's actually Mike talking about one of Brian's songs (I think I'll Bet He's Nice) from the Love You demo tape, flown in by the bootlegger.

Are you sure? Because I just relistened to it and the comments go like this:
Mike: sh*t, that is a mother f*cker
Dennis: it's almost a song
Mike: No fucking sh*t Denny, that "around"
or somethign like that, it's too rough to make out.
Anyway, basically Mike is giving Dennis some praise. If it weren't for him the place would fall apart, I'll be he hit him up for a raise.

[Mikie]

You all know, if it really is as good as people say, it will likely appear on the boxed set.

I think the panic comes from a lack of faith* that those who are compiling the box set think it's as good as people say. We know Alan Boyd believes it to be since he has touted it here and there, but I don't think he is involved in MiC. Or am I wrong?

*I personally am pretty confident (WIBN)TLA will be on the box set.

I don't think the concern has anything to do with whether the compilers think it's good.  People have different opinions, but surely they'll deem it more appealing than cr*p like Our Team, which made the first box set.

The issue  is whether the "certain party" that Andrew Doe keeps referring to will veto its inclusion for whatever bizarre reason.  According to him, WIBNTLA was vetoed before.  So it's certainly possible that it will be again..

Maybe I'm wrong on this as I have a terrrible memory but  didn't he say on another thread that it was Mike?

You are correct that it was Mike who vetoed the track from TWOTS. He said it was a downer.

I'm guessing Carry Me Home won't be on the box set then… though I've had a theory rattling round in my head that these two tracks could be thematically complementary…

But Mike Love himself stated that "wow, that is a motherfucker" to which Dennis replies "it's almost a song" to which Mike says "no sh*t, that is...."

So ML personally verified that he liked it (or at least pretended to) on tape at time of the recording we all know. Are you a hypocrit Myke Luhv?

You were listening to a bootleg with "Carry Me Home" on it. Mike saying, "Wow, that was a Mofo" clip was cut and pasted from the end of another Brian song demo (from a bootleg tape) that was being played for Mike (and possibly others) in 1976. So Mike's statement was placed out of context to sound dramatic at the end of "Carry Me Home" on that particular boot.  I think that was on "Brian Loves You" and probably ended up on one or two more boots.

[Mikie]

"Genius", "Post of the week", "Incredible", "Post of the month"...

...I thought the photo of Boone's Farm was better.  

GF, it always cracks me up. Some people here who say "Genius, "Post of The Week", "Awesome, "Amazing", "OMG".  They sound like school girls. They wouldn't know a good post if it slapped 'em upside the head. Take your posts for instance, GF. A lot of time and effort you put into well thought-out informative posts with meat on them, and sometimes they barely, if at all, get acknowledged. Then along comes a bullshit post (like the one I'm writing now) and watch, somebody will come along and call it "genius". For real!

Reminds me of the time Brian and Mike were in the same room in the mid-70's. Brian said something serious and Mike cracked up. Brian says, "Mike, if we brought a comedian in here, you'd probably cry!"

This is a sh*t post.

Hey, thanks a lot!

[Mikie]

This obsession with the song is getting weird. Its not like beachboys fr. has the completed 1967 Smile album, its ONE song.  

What is "Smile"?

I think that this might be my favourite post of all time.

Yes, its the best post ive ever read!

beachboys_fr - you are the man!!!  

Same with you.  Why was that your "favourite post of all time"?  Just curious.  I guess I don't understand.

It's because I was blamed on the thread for not knowing WIBNTLA before to purchase the CD. Answering "What is Smile?" to a post was for me a way to be ironic about myself...

I know.  I caught that, but I don't think some others did.  We have some goof balls on here.  

[Theydon Bois]

This obsession with the song is getting weird. Its not like beachboys fr. has the completed 1967 Smile album, its ONE song.  

What is "Smile"?

I think that this might be my favourite post of all time.

You must not read many posts.

I've read all of yours.

[The Heartical Don]

"Genius", "Post of the week", "Incredible", "Post of the month"...

...I thought the photo of Boone's Farm was better.  

GF, it always cracks me up. Some people here who say "Genius, "Post of The Week", "Awesome, "Amazing", "OMG".  They sound like school girls. They wouldn't know a good post if it slapped 'em upside the head. Take your posts for instance, GF. A lot of time and effort you put into well thought-out informative posts with meat on them, and sometimes they barely, if at all, get acknowledged. Then along comes a bullshit post (like the one I'm writing now) and watch, somebody will come along and call it "genius". For real!

Reminds me of the time Brian and Mike were in the same room in the mid-70's. Brian said something serious and Mike cracked up. Brian says, "Mike, if we brought a comedian in here, you'd probably cry!"

This is a sh*t post.

Hey, thanks a lot!

  don't say you didn't ask for it...

[Mikie]

This obsession with the song is getting weird. Its not like beachboys fr. has the completed 1967 Smile album, its ONE song.  

What is "Smile"?

I think that this might be my favourite post of all time.

You must not read many posts.

I've read all of yours.

And I've read all of yours.  And have enjoyed them.

[Mikie]

"Genius", "Post of the week", "Incredible", "Post of the month"...

...I thought the photo of Boone's Farm was better.  

GF, it always cracks me up. Some people here who say "Genius, "Post of The Week", "Awesome, "Amazing", "OMG".  They sound like school girls. They wouldn't know a good post if it slapped 'em upside the head. Take your posts for instance, GF. A lot of time and effort you put into well thought-out informative posts with meat on them, and sometimes they barely, if at all, get acknowledged. Then along comes a bullshit post (like the one I'm writing now) and watch, somebody will come along and call it "genius". For real!

Reminds me of the time Brian and Mike were in the same room in the mid-70's. Brian said something serious and Mike cracked up. Brian says, "Mike, if we brought a comedian in here, you'd probably cry!"

This is a sh*t post.

Hey, thanks a lot!

  don't say you didn't ask for it...

Would you say that I have the "post of the day"?

[Theydon Bois]

This obsession with the song is getting weird. Its not like beachboys fr. has the completed 1967 Smile album, its ONE song.  

What is "Smile"?

I think that this might be my favourite post of all time.

You must not read many posts.

I've read all of yours.

And I've read all of yours.  And have enjoyed them.

Now I just don't know what to think.

[SMiLE Brian]

Every single post in this thread is genius!

[Micha]

This obsession with the song is getting weird. Its not like beachboys fr. has the completed 1967 Smile album, its ONE song.  

What is "Smile"?

I think that this might be my favourite post of all time.

Yes, its the best post ive ever read!

beachboys_fr - you are the man!!!  

Same with you.  Why was that your "favourite post of all time"?  Just curious.  I guess I don't understand.

It's because I was blamed on the thread for not knowing WIBNTLA before to purchase the CD. Answering "What is Smile?" to a post was for me a way to be ironic about myself...

That's why it was so fun. Didn't everybody get that???

[Micha]

The Beach Boys faire mon fond très humide. J'aime beaucoup les hommes. Avez-vous déjà touché les parties génitales de Bruce? 

FAIL!!! Gramatically speaking.

[Daniel]

This obsession with the song is getting weird. Its not like beachboys fr. has the completed 1967 Smile album, its ONE song.  

What is "Smile"?

I think that this might be my favourite post of all time.

Yes, its the best post ive ever read!

beachboys_fr - you are the man!!!  

Same with you.  Why was that your "favourite post of all time"?  Just curious.  I guess I don't understand.

It's because I was blamed on the thread for not knowing WIBNTLA before to purchase the CD. Answering "What is Smile?" to a post was for me a way to be ironic about myself...

That's why it was so fun. Didn't everybody get that???

most of us did, i guess.

this has been/is a very good thread.
Thread of the week?   

[Jon Stebbins]

You think Mike has an anti-Dennis bias? I've always kinda thought this. I notice a lot of the time he will talk about how "me, Brian, Al, Bruce, and Carl" did this or that, or if asked a question about Dennis maybe kinda semi-answer but then deflect to some other topic. It seems like he still has a bit of residual dislike (I won't call it hatred) for him from when he was alive. Now this isn't to say Mike is totally wrong in disliking Dennis. Apparently Dennis, especially in the last few years of his life was not the most wonderful person to be around. Not to mention the fact that dude knocked up his daughter. But I still do think it's pretty pathetic that Mike holds a grudge against the man still. You'd think, since he is all about Beach Boys, Inc., that he would like to have something like "Live Again" on The Warmth Of The Sun set if only to get the Boys some more attention for releasing a new track during a time when it looked like we weren't gonna hear much new or unreleased Beach Boys material for a while.

I almost don't know which is worse: him using the "downer" card to reject the song, or him just being biased against great Dennis Wilson work.

Plenty of Dennis songs have been included on the 93 box set, Endless Harmony, Hawthorne and Summer Love Songs. Nowhere near as simple as you're suggesting.

Its well known, in fact Carl stated it himself...that Carl had to fight really hard to get that much Dennis material on the '93 box set, in fact he felt there should be more than there was.

[Nicko1234]

Its well known, in fact Carl stated it himself...that Carl had to fight really hard to get that much Dennis material on the '93 box set, in fact he felt there should be more than there was.

Fighting who? David Leaf? Or Mike?


Plenty of Dennis songs have been included on Endless Harmony, Hawthorne and Summer Love Songs since Carl's passing...

[The Heartical Don]

"Genius", "Post of the week", "Incredible", "Post of the month"...

...I thought the photo of Boone's Farm was better.  

GF, it always cracks me up. Some people here who say "Genius, "Post of The Week", "Awesome, "Amazing", "OMG".  They sound like school girls. They wouldn't know a good post if it slapped 'em upside the head. Take your posts for instance, GF. A lot of time and effort you put into well thought-out informative posts with meat on them, and sometimes they barely, if at all, get acknowledged. Then along comes a bullshit post (like the one I'm writing now) and watch, somebody will come along and call it "genius". For real!

Reminds me of the time Brian and Mike were in the same room in the mid-70's. Brian said something serious and Mike cracked up. Brian says, "Mike, if we brought a comedian in here, you'd probably cry!"

This is a sh*t post.

Hey, thanks a lot!

  don't say you didn't ask for it...

Would you say that I have the "post of the day"?

Yes. I think I never read a call where someone halfway through writing it stated that it is of bullshit quality.

[Yorick]

Its well known, in fact Carl stated it himself...that Carl had to fight really hard to get that much Dennis material on the '93 box set, in fact he felt there should be more than there was.

Plenty of Dennis songs have been included on Endless Harmony, Hawthorne and Summer Love Songs since Carl's passing...

I guess that Carl's estate uses their voice in BRI to vote in the spirit of Carl!

[Nicko1234]

I guess that Carl's estate uses their voice in BRI to vote in the spirit of Carl!

More like the compilers have been different people I would have thought...

[guitarfool2002]

I remember someone else (The Reverend?)  who was involved in the '93 box set saying something like it was "a miracle" that the Smile tracks got that much disc time on that box. For whatever exact reason that was, I'm not sure, but considering how much veto power was being thrown around with track selection maybe that had something to do with it, as it seems to have been with the Dennis tracks and "Let Him Run Wild".

[MBE]

The boot California Feeling jokingly put Mike's brown nosing at the end of Carry Me Home. Been copied so many times since without people knowing it was a joke. The uncut comments were made to Brian on the Brian Love's You LP/

[Paulos]

Its well known, in fact Carl stated it himself...that Carl had to fight really hard to get that much Dennis material on the '93 box set, in fact he felt there should be more than there was.

Fighting who? David Leaf? Or Mike?


Plenty of Dennis songs have been included on Endless Harmony, Hawthorne and Summer Love Songs since Carl's passing...

Plenty?

Endless Harmony - Barbara and All Alone
Hawthorne CA - A Time to Live In Dreams
Summer Love Songs - Fallin' In Love

4 does not equal plenty!