Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again

[MBE]

Despite rumors to the contrary, Mike likes Til' I Die at least for the last decade or so. He's done it at Mike & Bruce shows.

[MBE]

I once heard an excerpt on the phone during my book interviews. It's great early seventies Dennis and Beach Boys.

Who was on the other line?

A friend , and per their request I just listened and did not record it. I heard about 60 seconds of it and it was muffled because it was just a phone held up to a speaker. Still I liked what I heard very much. I am kind of glad Mike didn't let it come out on a hits and classic album cuts package. That wouldn't be a good place for it. If MIC has it then it would get the focus it deserves. Not that Mike doesn't have an anti Dennis bias because he does. I don't think it's as venomous as it was years ago, but Mike didn't have art in mind in that case as far as I can tell.

[HeyJude]

Not that it matters much, but it isn't just an assumption that the version of "WIBNTLA" on this reference disc is somehow a "rough" mix or somehow sub-par in sound quality? They may have prepped a pristine mix several years prior. Maybe the finessed mastering of a potential finished disc would render the sound a bit different, but even an "in-house reference disc" would sound just fine, and potentialy nearly identical to what would have been on a finished, released disc.

[Kurosawa]

You are correct that it was Mike who vetoed the track from TWOTS. He said it was a downer.

Glad he let the feel-good, fun, fun, fun 'Til I Die stay on there.

Well Melinda is around to fight that battle, Dennis isn't here to have his say

Plus his estate has no power in BRI.

[Dave Modny]

Not that it matters much, but it isn't just an assumption that the version of "WIBNTLA" on this reference disc is somehow a "rough" mix or somehow sub-par in sound quality? They may have prepped a pristine mix several years prior. Maybe the finessed mastering of a potential finished disc would render the sound a bit different, but even an "in-house reference disc" would sound just fine, and potentialy nearly identical to what would have been on a finished, released disc.

Very possible. Because all the buyer really just said was "The averall (sic) sound is not perfect but quite good." And that's obviously open for interpretation or a simple matter of opinion.

And, as you noted, it was supposed to be part of that DVD-A lineup. The 5.1 mix was done, so it's not out of the question that the other track was mixed and mastered to some degree of "finality" -- at least in one form -- as well.

[runnersdialzero]

No guarantee that the version this guy now has is unmixed, unmastered, whatever. I'm thinking a lot of stuff has been mixed for future releases or just posterity over the years, stuff we've yet to hear and some stuff we'll probably never hear.

Regardless, I don't get people who will label something as "rough sounding" if it's not on a redundant Capitol compilation with a sticker saying "REMASTERED!!!" somewhere on it, the treble turned all the way up and averaging about -4dB throughout.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

Not that it matters much, but it isn't just an assumption that the version of "WIBNTLA" on this reference disc is somehow a "rough" mix or somehow sub-par in sound quality? They may have prepped a pristine mix several years prior. Maybe the finessed mastering of a potential finished disc would render the sound a bit different, but even an "in-house reference disc" would sound just fine, and potentialy nearly identical to what would have been on a finished, released disc.

He told me it's a rough mix, not mastered, not pristine. I imagine they just took the existing mix.

[Mr. Cohen]

Mike's version of "'Til I Die" is a bit different, though.

I'm a surfer on the ocean
Floating over the raging sea
How big are the waves?
How big are the waves?

I dinged a wave (hey, hey, hey)

I'm a board on a sandy beach
Shining up on the shoreline
How long will the sun shine?
How long will the sun shine?

I'll just hang ten (hey, hey, hey)

I'm a girl in a bikini
Pretty soon I'll be in Waikiki
How does my butt look?
How does my butt look?

Great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great (Carl's "do-do" part)

Until I die
These things I'll be until I die
Until

[Amazing Larry]

Mike's version of "'Til I Die" is a bit different, though.

I'm a surfer on the ocean
Floating over the raging sea
How big are the waves?
How big are the waves?

I dinged a wave (hey, hey, hey)

I'm a board on a sandy beach
Shining up on the shoreline
How long will the sun shine?
How long will the sun shine?

I'll just hang ten (hey, hey, hey)

I'm a girl in a bikini
Pretty soon I'll be in Waikiki
How does my butt look?
How does my butt look?

Great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great (Carl's "do-do" part)

Until I die
These things I'll be until I die
Until

Genius. 

[Mikie]

Hands down, post of the week.

[Dave Modny]

Not that it matters much, but it isn't just an assumption that the version of "WIBNTLA" on this reference disc is somehow a "rough" mix or somehow sub-par in sound quality? They may have prepped a pristine mix several years prior. Maybe the finessed mastering of a potential finished disc would render the sound a bit different, but even an "in-house reference disc" would sound just fine, and potentialy nearly identical to what would have been on a finished, released disc.

He told me it's a rough mix, not mastered, not pristine. I imagine they just took the existing mix.

I guess my only question would be...what the actual baseline is in making the "rough mix" assessment. Namely, in that we have no other BBs version to compare it to.

That is, is it simply a result of sounding inferior to the tracks around it on that reference disc, or is there something inherent in the mix that screams "rough?" I mean, AGD has noted (and I'm paraphrasing here) that the guitar solo was never recorded, but it's not really missed due to the dense production. Is that something that the buyer might be forming his conclusions with? Or, is there such a drop in fidelity compared to the adjacent tracks that the term "rough mix" comes to mind. Furthermore, as suggested by others, is it simply a matter of the track not being goosed up the wazoo that makes it sound rough (or, conversely, something a little *gentle* EQ could rectify?).


Damn, I'm really interested in hearing this track. Heck, 30 seconds would satisfy me.

[Shady]

Mike's version of "'Til I Die" is a bit different, though.

I'm a surfer on the ocean
Floating over the raging sea
How big are the waves?
How big are the waves?

I dinged a wave (hey, hey, hey)

I'm a board on a sandy beach
Shining up on the shoreline
How long will the sun shine?
How long will the sun shine?

I'll just hang ten (hey, hey, hey)

I'm a girl in a bikini
Pretty soon I'll be in Waikiki
How does my butt look?
How does my butt look?

Great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great (Carl's "do-do" part)

Until I die
These things I'll be until I die
Until

Incredible

[Mikie]

That was the post of the month.

[Jim V.]

A friend , and per their request I just listened and did not record it. I heard about 60 seconds of it and it was muffled because it was just a phone held up to a speaker. Still I liked what I heard very much. I am kind of glad Mike didn't let it come out on a hits and classic album cuts package. That wouldn't be a good place for it. If MIC has it then it would get the focus it deserves. Not that Mike doesn't have an anti Dennis bias because he does. I don't think it's as venomous as it was years ago, but Mike didn't have art in mind in that case as far as I can tell.

You think Mike has an anti-Dennis bias? I've always kinda thought this. I notice a lot of the time he will talk about how "me, Brian, Al, Bruce, and Carl" did this or that, or if asked a question about Dennis maybe kinda semi-answer but then deflect to some other topic. It seems like he still has a bit of residual dislike (I won't call it hatred) for him from when he was alive. Now this isn't to say Mike is totally wrong in disliking Dennis. Apparently Dennis, especially in the last few years of his life was not the most wonderful person to be around. Not to mention the fact that dude knocked up his daughter. But I still do think it's pretty pathetic that Mike holds a grudge against the man still. You'd think, since he is all about Beach Boys, Inc., that he would like to have something like "Live Again" on The Warmth Of The Sun set if only to get the Boys some more attention for releasing a new track during a time when it looked like we weren't gonna hear much new or unreleased Beach Boys material for a while.

I almost don't know which is worse: him using the "downer" card to reject the song, or him just being biased against great Dennis Wilson work.

Lastly....Mike...the book??? Are we EVER gettin' it?

[guitarfool2002]

"Genius", "Post of the week", "Incredible", "Post of the month"...

...I thought the photo of Boone's Farm was better. 

[Mikie]

"Genius", "Post of the week", "Incredible", "Post of the month"...

...I thought the photo of Boone's Farm was better.  

GF, it always cracks me up. Some people here who say "Genius, "Post of The Week", "Awesome, "Amazing", "OMG".  They sound like school girls. They wouldn't know a good post if it slapped 'em upside the head. Take your posts for instance, GF. A lot of time and effort you put into well thought-out informative posts with meat on them, and sometimes they barely, if at all, get acknowledged. Then along comes a bullshit post (like the one I'm writing now) and watch, somebody will come along and call it "genius". For real!

Reminds me of the time Brian and Mike were in the same room in the mid-70's. Brian said something serious and Mike cracked up. Brian says, "Mike, if we brought a comedian in here, you'd probably cry!"

[?]

No guarantee that the version this guy now has is unmixed, unmastered, whatever.

Capitol isn't going to pay a mastering engineer to work on a rough draft tracklisting cd that was never intended to be heard outside of their offices.  Besides, the disc says as much.  This isn't mastered.  The track was removed before the comp ever got to that stage.

[Dave Modny]

No guarantee that the version this guy now has is unmixed, unmastered, whatever.

Capitol isn't going to pay a mastering engineer to work on a rough draft tracklisting cd that was never intended to be heard outside of their offices.  Besides, the disc says as much.  This isn't mastered.  The track was removed before the comp ever got to that stage.

Not to split hairs, as I'm purely speculating, but the reference CD simply notes the disc as being comprised of "listening versions," and not being mastered as a final whole. Thus, there's still the slight possibility that the "listening version" in their possession *could've* been a digital copy of a previously finished (and even mastered at some point) mix. Hell...anything for that matter in their possession. I'd reckon the same was true for the other, more common tracks that weren't the set's (soon-to-be) new, exclusive remixes.

On the other hand, I suppose it could've been a fifth generation, cassette copy of a rough mix...just as easily!  


Did I mention I'd truly love to hear this track? 20 seconds?

[The Heartical Don]

"Genius", "Post of the week", "Incredible", "Post of the month"...

...I thought the photo of Boone's Farm was better.  

GF, it always cracks me up. Some people here who say "Genius, "Post of The Week", "Awesome, "Amazing", "OMG".  They sound like school girls. They wouldn't know a good post if it slapped 'em upside the head. Take your posts for instance, GF. A lot of time and effort you put into well thought-out informative posts with meat on them, and sometimes they barely, if at all, get acknowledged. Then along comes a bullshit post (like the one I'm writing now) and watch, somebody will come along and call it "genius". For real!

Reminds me of the time Brian and Mike were in the same room in the mid-70's. Brian said something serious and Mike cracked up. Brian says, "Mike, if we brought a comedian in here, you'd probably cry!"

This is a sh*t post.

[beachboys_fr]

This obsession with the song is getting weird. Its not like beachboys fr. has the completed 1967 Smile album, its ONE song.  

What is "Smile"?

I think that this might be my favourite post of all time.

Yes, its the best post ive ever read!

beachboys_fr - you are the man!!!  

Same with you.  Why was that your "favourite post of all time"?  Just curious.  I guess I don't understand.

It's because I was blamed on the thread for not knowing WIBNTLA before to purchase the CD. Answering "What is Smile?" to a post was for me a way to be ironic about myself...

[The Shift]

"Genius", "Post of the week", "Incredible", "Post of the month"...

...I thought the photo of Boone's Farm was better. 

GF, it always cracks me up. Some people here who say "Genius, "Post of The Week", "Awesome, "Amazing", "OMG".  They sound like school girls. They wouldn't know a good post if it slapped 'em upside the head. Take your posts for instance, GF. A lot of time and effort you put into well thought-out informative posts with meat on them, and sometimes they barely, if at all, get acknowledged. Then along comes a bullshit post (like the one I'm writing now) and watch, somebody will come along and call it "genius". For real!

Reminds me of the time Brian and Mike were in the same room in the mid-70's. Brian said something serious and Mike cracked up. Brian says, "Mike, if we brought a comedian in here, you'd probably cry!"

This is a sh*t post.

Yo dude shittiest post of the millennium innit, wazzamatta?

[Nicko1234]

You think Mike has an anti-Dennis bias? I've always kinda thought this. I notice a lot of the time he will talk about how "me, Brian, Al, Bruce, and Carl" did this or that, or if asked a question about Dennis maybe kinda semi-answer but then deflect to some other topic. It seems like he still has a bit of residual dislike (I won't call it hatred) for him from when he was alive. Now this isn't to say Mike is totally wrong in disliking Dennis. Apparently Dennis, especially in the last few years of his life was not the most wonderful person to be around. Not to mention the fact that dude knocked up his daughter. But I still do think it's pretty pathetic that Mike holds a grudge against the man still. You'd think, since he is all about Beach Boys, Inc., that he would like to have something like "Live Again" on The Warmth Of The Sun set if only to get the Boys some more attention for releasing a new track during a time when it looked like we weren't gonna hear much new or unreleased Beach Boys material for a while.

I almost don't know which is worse: him using the "downer" card to reject the song, or him just being biased against great Dennis Wilson work.

Plenty of Dennis songs have been included on the 93 box set, Endless Harmony, Hawthorne and Summer Love Songs. Nowhere near as simple as you're suggesting.

As Mike Eder earlier commented, Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again wouldn't have been a great fit on TWOTS. I'm not saying this was Mike's feeling but a compilation like that shouldn't have only 1 unreleased song to force the hardcore fans to buy it.

[Daniel]

This obsession with the song is getting weird. Its not like beachboys fr. has the completed 1967 Smile album, its ONE song.  

What is "Smile"?

I think that this might be my favourite post of all time.

Yes, its the best post ive ever read!

beachboys_fr - you are the man!!!  

Same with you.  Why was that your "favourite post of all time"?  Just curious.  I guess I don't understand.

I read a lot of posts.
None made me laugh like this.

I like his irony  

[SurfRiderHawaii]

Despite rumors to the contrary, Mike likes Til' I Die at least for the last decade or so. He's done it at Mike & Bruce shows.

Mike can never leave a positive alone when he can dump a negative on top of it.

 ""I didn’t hate the song." responded Mike Love when asked that question directly, "I just thought that it was a poor choice to end the album with. I mean, here we had this mostly positive, good feeling collection of songs, and he wanted to end it with this negative, depressing dirge."

[Cabinessenceking]

You all know, if it really is as good as people say, it will likely appear on the boxed set.

I think the panic comes from a lack of faith* that those who are compiling the box set think it's as good as people say. We know Alan Boyd believes it to be since he has touted it here and there, but I don't think he is involved in MiC. Or am I wrong?

*I personally am pretty confident (WIBN)TLA will be on the box set.

I don't think the concern has anything to do with whether the compilers think it's good.  People have different opinions, but surely they'll deem it more appealing than cr*p like Our Team, which made the first box set.

The issue  is whether the "certain party" that Andrew Doe keeps referring to will veto its inclusion for whatever bizarre reason.  According to him, WIBNTLA was vetoed before.  So it's certainly possible that it will be again..

Maybe I'm wrong on this as I have a terrrible memory but  didn't he say on another thread that it was Mike?

You are correct that it was Mike who vetoed the track from TWOTS. He said it was a downer.

I'm guessing Carry Me Home won't be on the box set then… though I've had a theory rattling round in my head that these two tracks could be thematically complementary…

But Mike Love himself stated that "wow, that is a motherfucker" to which Dennis replies "it's almost a song" to which Mike says "no sh*t, that is...."

So ML personally verified that he liked it (or at least pretended to) on tape at time of the recording we all know. Are you a hypocrit Myke Luhv?