Love and Mercy and myth?

[Cam Mott]

So he didn't confer the honor on himself. He is a published author isn't he?

[Cyncie]

So he didn't confer the honor on himself. He is a published author isn't he?

Wasn't his book about Elvis? Not the Beach Boys? If just anyone who gets published in any field can get honored guest status, then a whole lot of people will be getting stars.

[guitarfool2002]

I'll tell you one thing which I haven't even touched on in any writings on the film I've done so far. The set design, the staging, and everyone responsible for the props, design, and "look" of the film in my eyes deserves the highest praise if not an official award for their work.

Yes, I'm trying to put a positive thing in this thread and get people smiling and happy about something. And I know there are threads for reviews...

I'm a studio guy, a guitar geek, and a history buff, I look for the visuals and the props and the little touches on the sets of TV shows and films. I'm a music and history nerd and a studio/gear geek, a deadly and expensive combination.

Darian and Mark respectively did amazing work on the studio scenes. Everything from the period-correct instruments, to recreating a 1966 control room and studio setting down to the patch cables and tape boxes and talkback mic...it was spot-fucking-on. Brilliant work. And having the studio musician actors actually playing the parts when the camera is on the studio floor...what a great touch. And it worked brilliantly in the film. When the camera zoomed in on the song being recorded on the floor, you heard it being played on the floor by real musicians playing the "right" instruments. You had the guitarists playing Fenders who played Fenders in the 60's on these dates. That stuff is priceless. It'sn the stuff to *enjoy*.

I like focusing on *that* and enjoying *that* with fellow music nerds and fans instead of worrying about Murry blankety-blank Wilson's opinion of songs, but that's just me.

A Danelectro Bellzouki. If you haven't seen the film, you won't know what that means but for the few seconds it's on the screen, it's magic for nerds and geeks like me.  

And...historically accurate.

[18thofMay]

So he didn't confer the honor on himself. He is a published author isn't he?

Your either
a) Taking the piss
b) Think we are stupid
c) Taking the piss
d) all of the above

It has become way to obvious Cam.

[Cam Mott]

So he didn't confer the honor on himself. He is a published author isn't he?

Wasn't his book about Elvis? Not the Beach Boys? If just anyone who gets published in any field can get honored guest status, then a whole lot of people will be getting stars.

I thought so but some Moderator(s) gave him the status for some reason.

[Douchepool]

I with you Guitarfool.

I just don’t see the motivation in somebody getting the guy who had an absolute and very public nervous breakdown on the board to come back under a false name, promote him to an exalted status, just so that he can throw dirt on such an obvious and well deserved home run for Brian and his team.

Oh, wait. . .

Oh.

Now I get it.

I was a moderator at the time Mike was made an Honored Guest; he was working on his Beach Boys book and we felt it was worth asking him. He accepted. No one (least of all us) knew Mike was going to make that kind of a left turn. I regretted it later on. It's not the first time the moderators made a mistake and it certainly won't be the last. Give them a break. There was NO ulterior motive on the part of the moderators.

[Cam Mott]

There we go.

[Douchepool]

I harbor no ill will toward Mike as he has always been a friend on here. But stop going after the moderators over his posting here today. It's not their fault.

[Howie Edelson]

No, I don't think it was conscious THEN.
(Obviously.)

I DO think it's odd that you can receive the status and it carries over to a pen name (especially after such a troubling loose-cannon situation -- and I'm not being facetious, it was a heartbreaking thing to see go down here. Poor guy.)

What I DON'T think is odd is that he comes back to sh it on a movie he's yet to see, no one knows who he is until they do the math, all on the eve of opening night for Brian with a rancid minority chorus treating this Wilson-Love thing here like an ugly subway series.   

I don't believe in coincidences.

I guess Dylan was right.
You CAN'T come back all the way.

[Douchepool]

Anyone can change their name at any time on here. The status is given to the account itself, not the account under a certain name. I certainly never really considered the possibility of people changing their handles under the Honored Guest banner. I don't think anyone else did, either. Perhaps that will have to become a regulation in the future.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

So he didn't confer the honor on himself. He is a published author isn't he?

Wasn't his book about Elvis? Not the Beach Boys? If just anyone who gets published in any field can get honored guest status, then a whole lot of people will be getting stars.

I thought so but some Moderator(s) gave him the status for some reason.

Wasn't me or GF. Mike is a friend of mine off the board, but this is the first I'm hearing of this.
to my knowledge members can't change their status  either.

[Douchepool]

Only moderators or Chuck can change the status of a poster on here.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

He might have had it set up before, which is most likely

[Douchepool]

Nobody would care if he hadn't posted an opinion that people didn't like, anyway. That's how important the "Honored Guest" thing really is at the end of the day.

[18thofMay]

Or posted an opinion on something he had yet to see.

[guitarfool2002]

Nobody would care if he hadn't posted an opinion that people didn't like, anyway. That's how important the "Honored Guest" thing really is at the end of the day.

That's wrong. Why even bring it up like this? I count myself among those who took issue with what seemed to be a review or even a commentary on a film that the author had not seen. It rings as true as a restaurant critic panning a local restaurant based on what he or she heard other diners who ate there saying about it without sampling the menu. It's not about liking or not liking the content no matter how hard you want to push that stuff, and in fact I think the worst part is that a lot of readers here would have liked to read an actual review and commentary of the film. In this case, it looked like slinging mud at a film that the writer hadn't seen based solely on what others had said, and I think that upset some posters here.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

I was a moderator at the time Mike was made an Honored Guest; he was working on his Beach Boys book and we felt it was worth asking him. He accepted. No one (least of all us) knew Mike was going to make that kind of a left turn. I regretted it later on. It's not the first time the moderators made a mistake and it certainly won't be the last. Give them a break. There was NO ulterior motive on the part of the moderators.

Ahh...that's what I thought.  It's been a while, so I didn't remember the particulars.

There is something I want to address, though...

I with you Guitarfool.

I just don’t see the motivation in somebody getting the guy who had an absolute and very public nervous breakdown on the board to come back under a false name, promote him to an exalted status, just so that he can throw dirt on such an obvious and well deserved home run for Brian and his team.

Oh, wait. . .

Oh.

Now I get it.

With all due respect....

Just what exactly are you implying here? GF certainly wouldn't set something like that happen just so Brian could be trashed, or have dirt thrown, as you put it. If you are implying *I* did,  well, I happen to take major offense to that. We talk to the same people, any one of whom could and would personally vouch for my integrity, and also my dedication to Brian. I would never *ever* set things up just so Brian could be disrespected, or so that anything he's done could be discredited or shat on.  When I say that Brian Wilson is my hero, and that I respect the man himself as much if not more than his work, that's not lip service....that's the gospel truth.  I mean, my God, meeting him and thanking him for the beauty he has given the world and making it a better place just for being in it happens to be the #1 remaining item on my bucket list.  I don't know how else I can spell it out.

So, yeah....if you meant something else by that, please explain, because as it is, I'm deeply hurt and offended by the insinuation.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Or posted an opinion on something he had yet to see.

In all fairness, I think it's human nature to do so. We all have a tendency to form an opinion on something before we watch/listen/read it based on what we've heard or read about it. Sometimes it's a negative opinion, but sometimes it's a positive one as well. Right or wrong, that's just how people are. I admit I had my doubts as well, but everything I've read on the film makes me excited as hell to see it (and will do so next Friday on payday). Now, if a Bruce Johnston biopic were to be released, I might (as the kids say) 'throw shade' on it jwithout seeing it just because, well...   At the end of the day, though, it'd be wrong of me to do so, but I know it'd still happen.

[The Shift]

I'm old school and believe this kind of backroom stuff should be done off-board. Stuff transparency - it just hamstrings effective board management. Ban or demote Eder quietly and let everyone move on. No word, no explanations, unless they're in confidential PMs. Then we can all move on. Probably.

[Jay]

And we've yet again run off one of the good guys of the board out meaningless, stupid bullshit. Yay.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

I'm old school and believe this kind of backroom stuff should be done off-board. Stuff transparency - it just hamstrings effective board management. Ban or demote Eder quietly and let everyone move on. No word, no explanations, unless they're in confidential PMs. Then we can all move on. Probably.

As mentioned previously, Mike's a good friend of mine. He likely won't be coming back, though, for the same reasons why I daily have to ask myself why I even bother here in the first place.

Is this really what we do here? My God, we are such assholes to each other. I mean, sometimes this board makes me weep for humanity.

[Ron]

Frankly the review makes me not want to see the film.

Full disclousre-bio pics bother me.

I'm kind of in the same boat... On one hand I want to see it, because I know modern day Brian was involved in it (and Melinda) so really, how off the mark can it be?  ... on the other hand though, it's kind of like reading a really good book, the movie's never as good and sometimes takes away from it.  Why? ... because it's always better in your mind than what another mind thinks up to put on screen.

This is supposed to be 'factual' history, but in reality just by it's nature it's a spun version of history.  It has to be, to fit it in 2 hours, they can't put in everything obviously and they can't leave a ton of loose ends.  So grey areas (100% of life) have to be made black or white. 

They can't put in the truth: Brian didn't know how to finish the album or didn't have the desire to; the BB's were disinterested or confused at what he was doing... the record company was suing him... he was doing drugs... he had a mental illness... his father and his wife were giving him crap.... I mean it's very grey, Brian couldn't tell you why he didn't finish the album, because there were 50 reasons.  They can't cover all that in the movie.



Another example is how the album eventually turned out... if you weren't a fan back then, you wouldn't have understood that for years he denied the 'tapes' even existed, said he had burned them.  So we all went from , Brian won't even discuss the album, to a press statement that Brian would tour the completed album, live in concert!  You can 'say' that, or depict it in a movie, but you can't actually make it have the incredible, mind-blowing impact that it did when it actually HAPPENED. 

So living through some of that as a fan, it's hard for me to watch bios and things when it's a small slice of what actually happened, and as you pointed out some of the facts are fudged either through ignorance or necessity. 

If you're really, really a superfan of any celebrity these bios are going to be hard to enjoy. 

To be honest I would have been MUCH more likely to see the movie if it was only about Brian and Melinda's relationship!  I don't know anything about that, so it wouldn't have bothered me if the facts weren't straight...

[Andrew G. Doe]

Only moderators or Chuck can change the status of a poster on here.

FWIW, I used to be an "Honored Guest", but someone changed that the first time I was suspended (pretty sure I know who: no current mod), then suddenly I'm in my very own category. Bizarre.

[Ron]

Probably a shitweasel... 

[Mike's Beard]

Wow, anyone that thinks Mike is crapping on the film needs to reread what he posted. He simply says he has reservations about going to see it (mainly because he is a stickler for a 100% correct limeline).