Hoffman Board - Thread about Hite Morgan Sessions Kickstarter - Deleted!

[Emily]

ok, I wonder where things are at on this project?
this thread is nearly a year old with no updated info or
communication from Mr. Ralph.
Where are ya Ralphy??

Yes. I'd been wondering about this. Ralph approached me last year, I run a small label 7a Records, about the possibility of releasing this. If memory serves me right, and it doesn't always, I exchanged a few emails with him and Brad about this. It was all a little vague, a little grey legally and a lot expensive. People don't seem to realise there ain't no money in releasing CD's and $40,000 was way way way out of what we could afford and recoup.

Any news on this?

Oh yeah, shameless plug, 7a is about to release An Evening With Peter No one and Micky Dolenz where they sit and chat. Dolenz tells a story about jamming with Brian and Lennon in his basement..

Wait, what? Is this new? It is to me!
Where will I be able to obtain this?

[alf wiedersehen]

ok, I wonder where things are at on this project?
this thread is nearly a year old with no updated info or
communication from Mr. Ralph.
Where are ya Ralphy??

Yes. I'd been wondering about this. Ralph approached me last year, I run a small label 7a Records, about the possibility of releasing this. If memory serves me right, and it doesn't always, I exchanged a few emails with him and Brad about this. It was all a little vague, a little grey legally and a lot expensive. People don't seem to realise there ain't no money in releasing CD's and $40,000 was way way way out of what we could afford and recoup.

Any news on this?

Oh yeah, shameless plug, 7a is about to release An Evening With Peter No one and Micky Dolenz where they sit and chat. Dolenz tells a story about jamming with Brian and Lennon in his basement..

Wait, what? Is this new? It is to me!
Where will I be able to obtain this?

Micky has mentioned having a bunch of informal recordings with all the Hollywood Vampires guys, but I don't think any of them have ever seen the light of day (which is seemingly appropriate, yet still a shame). I would love to get my hands on the Brian and Harry Nilsson tapes.

[mikeddonn]

Ian, you're back! 

What's the chances of you getting some Mike Love stuff released?  I think you mentioned that in the past.

Cheers,

Mike.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Correction. My initial emails were with a chap called Steve Lee. Then I was passed onto Brad. Who was...determined, shall we say.

We're all assuming you're au fait with what happened when Elliot tried to release the tapes back in December 2000... and what happened to the backers money.

[Emily]

ok, I wonder where things are at on this project?
this thread is nearly a year old with no updated info or
communication from Mr. Ralph.
Where are ya Ralphy??

Yes. I'd been wondering about this. Ralph approached me last year, I run a small label 7a Records, about the possibility of releasing this. If memory serves me right, and it doesn't always, I exchanged a few emails with him and Brad about this. It was all a little vague, a little grey legally and a lot expensive. People don't seem to realise there ain't no money in releasing CD's and $40,000 was way way way out of what we could afford and recoup.

Any news on this?

Oh yeah, shameless plug, 7a is about to release An Evening With Peter No one and Micky Dolenz where they sit and chat. Dolenz tells a story about jamming with Brian and Lennon in his basement..

Wait, what? Is this new? It is to me!
Where will I be able to obtain this?

Micky has mentioned having a bunch of informal recordings with all the Hollywood Vampires guys, but I don't think any of them have ever seen the light of day (which is seemingly appropriate, yet still a shame). I would love to get my hands on the Brian and Harry Nilsson tapes.

Lord, Lennon and Brian Wilson are my two favorite anythings ever. I would LOVE to hear that.

[joshferrell]

ok, I wonder where things are at on this project?
this thread is nearly a year old with no updated info or
communication from Mr. Ralph.
Where are ya Ralphy??

Yes. I'd been wondering about this. Ralph approached me last year, I run a small label 7a Records, about the possibility of releasing this. If memory serves me right, and it doesn't always, I exchanged a few emails with him and Brad about this. It was all a little vague, a little grey legally and a lot expensive. People don't seem to realise there ain't no money in releasing CD's and $40,000 was way way way out of what we could afford and recoup.

Any news on this?

Oh yeah, shameless plug, 7a is about to release An Evening With Peter No one and Micky Dolenz where they sit and chat. Dolenz tells a story about jamming with Brian and Lennon in his basement..

Wait, what? Is this new? It is to me!
Where will I be able to obtain this?

Micky has mentioned having a bunch of informal recordings with all the Hollywood Vampires guys, but I don't think any of them have ever seen the light of day (which is seemingly appropriate, yet still a shame). I would love to get my hands on the Brian and Harry Nilsson tapes.

Lord, Lennon and Brian Wilson are my two favorite anythings ever. I would LOVE to hear that.

hopefully it is good,,,,I tend to be extremely disappointed when things like this show up,( Can you say a "Toot and a Snort 74 (Edit)" featuring John, Paul, Stevie Wonder and Harry Nilsson, 4 musical genius' making some of the worst music I have ever heard, I'm sure the Coke didn't help any....lol )

[HeyJude]

Neither Lennon nor Brian were in tip-top shape in 1974. Ever heard the "reunion" tape of Lennon and McCartney from 1974? Commonly booted as "A Toot and a Snore in '74", I think when people heard about the tape, they got excited. Then they heard it. It's a messy jam session, barely listenable even though my recollection is that the sound quality of it is actually pretty good as it was captured in an actual studio.

Has anyone ever nailed down how much interaction Lennon and Brian actually had in that "Lost Weekend" 1974 time period?

As for Elliott and the Hite Morgan tapes, it's quite interesting to find Mr. Lee's recounting that it was Elliott who he was in contact with. Considering the "Raph" guy last year was adamant that Elliott was not involved other than being contracted to write liner notes, I'm surprised he thought he could make the project work considering Mr. Lee's experience and recollection that it *was* Elliott he was talking to. Was he really just talking about how great the liner notes were going to be?

I was shocked last year that anybody, even if they weren't tied in any way to Elliott, would attempt to rehash what occurred 15 years prior, with many of the same folks who got burned back in 2000. Seriously, I don't think they could have picked a worse project and worst person to connect it to if they were going the "crowdsourcing" route.

[Emily]

Toot and Snort. lol. Still, I love listening to it. And would love hearing Brian Wilson and John Lennon doing their own toots and snorts. It's the kind of fan I am, I'm afraid.

[Andrew G. Doe]

As for Elliott and the Hite Morgan tapes, it's quite interesting to find Mr. Lee's recounting that it was Elliott who he was in contact with. Considering the "Raph" guy last year was adamant that Elliott was not involved other than being contracted to write liner notes, I'm surprised he thought he could make the project work considering Mr. Lee's experience and recollection that it *was* Elliott he was talking to. Was he really just talking about how great the liner notes were going to be?

A combination of Iain's recent encounter and what was originally said last year (it bears close re-reading) inclines me to the conclusion that "Raphael" wasn't being entirely honest with us about the degree of Elliott's involvement. Hardly at all, in fact.

[IainLee]

Ian, you're back!  

What's the chances of you getting some Mike Love stuff released?  I think you mentioned that in the past.

Cheers,

Mike.

Don't want to drag this thread wildly off topic but in terms of releases, 7a has decided to focus on Monkees related releases.

In terms of Dolenz/Wilson/Lennon I don't have the recordings. Yet. Although I'm working on it. But it is one of the stories Dilenz tells on An Evening With Peter Noone and Micky Dolenz http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01B51HK5A/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1456215291&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=dolenz+noone

To get back on topic...I've not got the whole email exchange and certainly not the original one with Steve Lee who, having read this thread, I seem to remember having a similar tone to Raphael.

I was concerned about the money and the legality so 7a passed. I don't know Brad personally but he really did argue that legally this could be released and was a little upset that we wouldn't do it.

All these emails took place in August 2015 and he ended it by telling me Steve was talking to another label who were very interested.

Neither of the parties would send me any examples of the audio. M

I've mailed Brad to see how things are progressing but I suspect I shan't hear anything.

[Jay]

Aren't some of the Dolenz recordings already circulating on YouTube?

[Malc]

Could be wrong, probably am wrong... but just who IS that heavily bearded guy in the background at around 36 seconds in ? Mind you, back then, everyone had a beard... 
http://youtu.be/4LEr3cKvzEs

[HeyJude]

Reading the excellent breakdown of all of the legal tangles surrounding the Morgan tapes in "Becoming the Beach Boys", I'm not sure anyone who actually does the research to learn about those recordings would be willing to try to release them.

However frivolous the original lawsuits circa 2000 may have been, and however clear the public domain laws may seem to be now, I'd still be nervous about injunctions and other things holding it up.

Interestingly, if you go to the Steve Hoffman board and read some old posts, you'll see a few interesting comments from Hoffman himself, who of course mastered the 2000 set that never made it out (as well as of course the original DCC release). I take it he's just speculating, but he interestingly points out that if Elliott had just put the thing out in 2000 without months and months of hyping it and soliciting funds for it, it surely would have made it out to retail at least for a little while.

It just looks like every attempt to release these tapes (post-DCC) comes with a big "fundraising" deal on the front end, and considering what happened back in 2000, that's the worst way to go on this project. I would think, especially given the taint that these tapes have, if someone wanted to release them now, they'd try to raise the money privately or just save up their own money and put it out themselves.

The Morgan tapes have such a limited appeal, being mainly for diehard fanatics and BB history buffs, this more recent attempt to release a still-truncated version of the sessions seemed even less appealing anyway. The main draw of the 2000 set was that they put apparently everything on it; the entirety of the extant tapes.

[Emily]

Could be wrong, probably am wrong... but just who IS that heavily bearded guy in the background at around 36 seconds in ? Mind you, back then, everyone had a beard... 
http://youtu.be/4LEr3cKvzEs

Way too hard to tell, but it looks very similar and I've seen BW in a very similar shirt at that time (cream colored with little buttoned flaps on the shoulders).

[Jay]

Could be wrong, probably am wrong... but just who IS that heavily bearded guy in the background at around 36 seconds in ? Mind you, back then, everyone had a beard... 
http://youtu.be/4LEr3cKvzEs

Way too hard to tell, but it looks very similar and I've seen BW in a very similar shirt at that time (cream colored with little buttoned flaps on the shoulders).

There is a slightly better look at 50 seconds in. Use the settings function and change the speed to 0.25 and check it out. Looks like Brian to me.

[IainLee]

La la la. Flowers and sunshine.

[bringahorseinhere?]

eouch!!!

[Emily]

Could be wrong, probably am wrong... but just who IS that heavily bearded guy in the background at around 36 seconds in ? Mind you, back then, everyone had a beard... 
http://youtu.be/4LEr3cKvzEs

Way too hard to tell, but it looks very similar and I've seen BW in a very similar shirt at that time (cream colored with little buttoned flaps on the shoulders).

There is a slightly better look at 50 seconds in. Use the settings function and change the speed to 0.25 and check it out. Looks like Brian to me.

You know... It really does, doesn't it?

[Jay]

Could be wrong, probably am wrong... but just who IS that heavily bearded guy in the background at around 36 seconds in ? Mind you, back then, everyone had a beard... 
http://youtu.be/4LEr3cKvzEs

Way too hard to tell, but it looks very similar and I've seen BW in a very similar shirt at that time (cream colored with little buttoned flaps on the shoulders).

There is a slightly better look at 50 seconds in. Use the settings function and change the speed to 0.25 and check it out. Looks like Brian to me.

You know... It really does, doesn't it?

Yeah, quite a lot. 

[mikeddonn]

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Thanks for posting that Lee.  You're better off out of it I think.  It would have been a risky venture.  

[Andrew G. Doe]

So much for Raphael's claim that Elliott wasn't directly involved with his attempt to get the tapes released.

[IainLee]

I've been asked by the mods to remove my messages featuring Brad's emails. This isn't me being cute but I don't know how to...so can the mods do it for me?

[Emily]

I've been asked by the mods to remove my messages featuring Brad's emails as he's threatened legal action. This isn't me being cute but I don't know how to...so can the mods do it for me?

Apologies. But Brad is obviously a ******

Hi Iain, when you are logged in, you will see a "modify" button to the right of each of your posts. If you click that, you can delete text from your post.

[IainLee]

Thanks Emily. Done.

Apologies to anyone responsible for this board if through my actions I have caused any stress or heartache. Not my intention at all.

I've certainly had my fingers burnt and glad I made the decision last year not to even consider working with certain parties.

Anyway...back to the laughs and larks. Summer In Paradise, eh? What's THAT all about (I quite like it)

[bringahorseinhere?]

ah well, we can put this thread to rest for another year or two and have another look at the books then 
where's my 'lost and found' cd...?