Al Jardine says there's a BAD conflict w/Mike. Aka: The welcome back AGD thread

[KittyKat]

Yes, I did write that piece.

Regarding the "harshness" at the end -- if read in full -- it's a devil's advocate play on who the public really believes is "THE BEACH BOYS" -- Brian Wilson or Mike Love.
eg: (in very broad strokes) The guy who dreamed it all and made it from God -- or the guy that schlepped it all around the world on his back over and over.

It doesn't matter what the public believes. It's a legal matter, and BRIAN voted to give Mike the license. It's Brian's responsibility for creating this situation in the first place. I would expect Mike to vote for Mike in a mater of the license. I would expect Carl's estate to vote for the act that has toured most consistently (or at the time of the vote, who toured AT ALL). Al is going to vote for Al. Brian made the decision to cast his lot with Mike. Not only did Brian vote for Mike on the tour license, Brian also sued Al at a later date as a member of the BRI suit that forced Al to stop touring and pay a ton of money in legal fees.

When do fans of "God" start making him responsible for his actions like the rest of us lowly human beings?

[Sheriff John Stone]

Interesting theories about the Joe Thomas angle. One thing that gives me pause in this scenario is why seemingly a bit out of the blue, Brian’s camp has such strong allegiance and reliance on Joe Thomas. If Thomas was the one thing that truly actually pushed Mike into ending his involvement in the reunion (or at least was the main thing; or the breaking point, etc.), would Brian’s camp really jeopardize all of that just to stay involved with Thomas? Similarly, would they now really actually be letting Thomas start making serious power plays that impact the BRI organization? I just don’t know. Considering how all sides know very well how litigious things have been over the years, coupled with the fact that Brian and his camp had a pretty serious falling out with Thomas around 1999 or so resulting in apparent lawsuits, it just seems a bit wild that they would all of a sudden hand over so much power to Thomas and also be willing to stick with him even if meant losing Mike’s cooperation.

I’m sure it has to be more hazy and convoluted than that, but it’s hard to say. The hardest thing for me to buy is that Joe Thomas is seriously spearheading some sort of operation to have Brian and Al actually wrestle control of the license to the BB name from Mike. There hasn’t seemed to have been a serious desire on the part of Brian and Al to actually take over touring as literally “The Beach Boys.” They obviously have mixed feelings about Mike using the name, at least at this stage since he’s doing it now at the exclusion of more reunion shows, but I haven’t seen evidence that they want to take the license back.

If they did want to take the license back, or seriously invoke that possibility to make a power play for whatever reason, they would be doing it through lawyers and agents, not Joe Thomas. True, Thomas was/is more involved than a typical writer/engineer/producer; he had a stake in the whole touring operation. But after the last decade-plus of lawsuits including lawsuits over use of the band’s name, lawsuits that took place while Thomas was not involved with Brian, I find it hard to believe they would have Thomas coming back into the fold and motivating Brian and/or Al and/or their camps to start firing up corporate moves and potential lawsuits over the band’s name.

It appears that what we currently have between the “BAD” camp and Mike is simply a bit more snippy jabs. Mike tries to use pics and footage of Brian and Al on the video screens, Brian and Al say no. Brian and Al attempt to use “original Beach Boys” in promotional materials for the Wilson/Beck tour, and Mike may have implied that they need to watch it and not use the BB name in a way that would require a license.
I don’t think Mike or BRI as a corporation are going to actually sue Brian and Al (and David?) for describing themselves as “original Beach Boys” during an 18-date tour where the ticket stub says “Brian Wilson and Jeff Beck.” That would be a hard case for Mike or BRI to win, and a hard case for BRI to even launch considering Brian and Al would not support it.

Hey Jude, I have to say and I hope you're not offended, but I agree with your above thoughts. You're having problems grasping the "Joe Thomas angle" because there isn't any (other than Joe maybe putting a roadblock on Mike writing with Brian in 2012). There is no plot or plan involving Joe Thomas and any kind of (re-)licensing issue. I believe posters who suggest one are seeking attention and enjoy sensationalizing things. They are, of course, entitled to their opinion, but the theory lacks any sense.

Every couple of days, all Melinda and/or various members of Carl Wilson's estate have to do is turn on their computer, go to their online banking website, put in their password and UserID - and chi-ching - they will see a direct deposit credit of thousands of dollars into their account. And what do they have to do to receive that money? Nothing. The point isn't what Brian (or anybody else) did in the past to deserve it. That's not the issue or the argument. The relevant point is that they made an agreement and everybody wins. They win because they are making money. Lots of it. And why would they want to change that? Because Al Jardine wants to call the group he is (temporarily) in The Beach Boys? For a couple of nights a year? Does anybody seriously think they would change the licensing, and forfeit all of that money (millions of dollars over time), to spite Mike Love? And for those who don't think that money drives everything - EVERYTHING - I ask you this question. Would Brian and Carl's estate ever vote to give Mike the license if Mike did NOT agree to paying them a percentage of the shows? If Mike would've said, "Screw you, I'm doing all the work. I'm not gonna allow you guys to sit at home and collect your money while I'm out there playing 100 shows a year....", do you think they ever would've voted to give Mike the license? Of course not. So much for how they felt about The Beach Boys' legacy. What legacy? $$$$$$$$ trumps everything.

This is about two angry, bitter men. Al Jardine was in his 50's when he was relieved of his Beach Boys' duties. It literally left Al out in the cold. Was there demand for Al as a studio session guitarist? Or a studio session singer? Al couldn't make a go of his Beach Boys Family & Friends Endless Summer Band. Did he even want to? Was there a lot of clamoring for an Al Jardine solo album? Al basically had nothing to do. Do you think put the blame for his "situation" firmly on Mike Love? And, guess what, Al got another chance to be a Beach Boy again with the C50 reunion, only to have things terminated again by who - Mike Love? And now Al has had enough. He was pushed too far, again, and he's speaking out about it. Unfortunately. I think these recent comments by Al is venting, letting his feelings out, feelings brought on by Mike Love. Al always says wacky things in interviews, and this recent "license" comment is nothing different. I don't read much into it.

And Mike? I recently posted that I think Mike is an overall happy person, but still bitter because his songwriting partnership ended over 30 years ago - and never resumed. It was bad enough that Mike had to endure and wait out Eugene Landy, who tried to distance Brian from Mike and the band. But, as soon as Landy leaves, Melinda enters the picture, and she is determined to facilitate a solo career - one that is now 25 years old - for Brian. So, Mike has to wait that out, and, when he finally gets another chance to write with Brian again in 2012, Joe Thomas supposedly (I don't know that as fact, pure speculation) prevents it from happening. I think Mike reached the point of total frustration, and is now airing his feelings in public. Obviously, Mike is looking at this with a historical perspective. And, that's Mike perspective, not everybody's. The songs that Brian and Mike wrote will be heard/played (in some mode or fashion) until the end of time. The songs that Brian wrote post-1985, as a solo artist, without Mike, will not. Mike just wants another chance at making musical history. While his performing in concert is lucrative and enjoyable, it might not be as fulfilling as writing with Brian. 

I just wish they didn't air their feelings in public. These kind of things DO add to their legacy. It just adds another sentence or two or three to the paragraph about The Beach Boys' in-fighting.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

DrBeachBoy --

To clarify what I do. I write a syndicated feed that goes out to thousands of stations across North America. It is written primarily for DJ's to read on the air -- much like an interactive AP wire.
Some affiliates enjoy the "Side Notes," "Fast Facts" and "Ask Your Listeners" pieces written specifically for the jocks that they include them -- and audio -- for their web content, too.

Classic Rock radio news talks about TONS of bands you never hear played -- the Beach Boys being one of many.
FYI: Philly is one of a half-dozen East Coast Beach Boy strongholds in the country. Tremendous fan-base.
Classic Rock radio SOLD both the BWPS LP and its tour dates.
Never heard a single track from the album on the air.

Rock radio has many functions. Spinning Doobie Brothers hits is but one of them.

I write about Deep Purple, too. And when I do I write as though I'm talking to THEIR fan-base as well.

Your news feed is the best, in my opinion,news source  for Classic Rock Lovers. Essential daily reading for me. It's where, for example, I found out the Zombies were touring the US this summer (And now I am going to finally get to see my all time favorite vocalist, Colin Blunstone). As the Hollies once sang Howie, Write On!

[guitarfool2002]

Re: Philly radio...When WYSP was the classic rock powerhouse in Philly, up to the early 90's, they spun Beach Boys albums and concerts and sometimes individual tracks but didn't play BB's singles during prime time weekdays. The only Philly station I've heard that regularly spins BB's and Brian tracks is 88.5 WXPN from U Penn, but they're public radio. Even the "oldies" station has been spinning more 70's and 80's then 60's, which is sad but they're chasing their demographic who want to hear 70's and 80's.

I think one of the grand misconceptions regarding Classic Rock radio and the Beach Boys is that despite that format and the biases dating back to early FM free-form formats, the folks listening to Classic Rock radio know that they can go to a Beach Boys show or spin a Beach Boys record and have a great time, and it's always been that way.

Audiences are not that swayed by their radio station format of choice playing or not playing a band like the Beach Boys. There are plenty of bands who don't get played regularly yet have loyal and large fanbases in spite of it.

[Heysaboda]

To answer JohnMill --

I can attest to the fact that Apple is working on numerous projects right now.

NUMEROUS.

Are you Joking?  

Apple has put out a lot of junk, T-shirts, white pens, etc.  This is rubbish, mate.

I enjoyed the Love CD and even LIB-N, but where are Shea, The Hollywood Bowl, White Album demos (Kinfauns), additional BBC sets, other live sets, plus there are plenty more pieces in the vaults that would be of vital interest of uber-fans and casual ones too.  Apple is sitting on their collective keisters and producing loudified KRAP-o-la.

AND WHERE WAS THE 50 YEAR PLEASE PLEASE ME BOX SET HAH?

Apple is rubbish.

[Autotune]

If anything, this thread has been helpful in letting us confirm that

Andy Botwin = Joe Thomas

KittyKat = Bruce Johnston

[Howie Edelson]

Are YOU joking???

Apple's not rubbish.
Apple is a business and it's smart.
When you over-saturate the market ala Hendrix and The Doors you end up fringe.
Being Number One means that big things have to be done big.
(Do you really think Hollywood Bowl/Shea/Let It Be/Complete Video Collection WON'T happen?)

The 2009 remasters/iTunes deal along with the DVD reissues since are plenty until next year.
It's business.

I've never confused Beatles "apparel, etc." as being Apple's "new release."
S hit like that makes some people really happy.
As long as you don't have to wear it, who cares.

I love seeing a little kid in a Beatles shirt, don't you?

[SurfRiderHawaii]

Yes, I did write that piece.

Regarding the "harshness" at the end -- if read in full -- it's a devil's advocate play on who the public really believes is "THE BEACH BOYS" -- Brian Wilson or Mike Love.
eg: (in very broad strokes) The guy who dreamed it all and made it from God -- or the guy that schlepped it all around the world on his back over and over.

It doesn't matter what the public believes. It's a legal matter, and BRIAN voted to give Mike the license. It's Brian's responsibility for creating this situation in the first place. I would expect Mike to vote for Mike in a mater of the license. I would expect Carl's estate to vote for the act that has toured most consistently (or at the time of the vote, who toured AT ALL). Al is going to vote for Al. Brian made the decision to cast his lot with Mike. Not only did Brian vote for Mike on the tour license, Brian also sued Al at a later date as a member of the BRI suit that forced Al to stop touring and pay a ton of money in legal fees.

When do fans of "God" start making him responsible for his actions like the rest of us lowly human beings?

I don't know where this talk of stripping Mike of the license comes from. No doubt Brian, Al and Carl's estate enjoy the cash. And they do nothing for it. The report is BAD want to bill themselves as Original Beach Boys' BW, AJ and DM. Do they need a license to do that? This is the question. Apparently Mike's camp is saying yes.

And to blame this on Al's personal bitterness against Mike.... well, Brian and David are not ones to go out and do interviews on controvery. Possibly the BAD mgt team is making Al the spokesperson, so to speak?

[KittyKat]

BAD management team = Brian's management team. I would hope they're not using Al in that way. Not after the way Brian has treated Al over the years, including refusing to speak to him at the Hawthorne wall dedication and firing him from a  BW solo tour earlier in the decade.  I would at least hope it's just Al speaking for himself and not under anyone's orders.

[HeyJude]

Interesting theories about the Joe Thomas angle. One thing that gives me pause in this scenario is why seemingly a bit out of the blue, Brian’s camp has such strong allegiance and reliance on Joe Thomas. If Thomas was the one thing that truly actually pushed Mike into ending his involvement in the reunion (or at least was the main thing; or the breaking point, etc.), would Brian’s camp really jeopardize all of that just to stay involved with Thomas? Similarly, would they now really actually be letting Thomas start making serious power plays that impact the BRI organization? I just don’t know. Considering how all sides know very well how litigious things have been over the years, coupled with the fact that Brian and his camp had a pretty serious falling out with Thomas around 1999 or so resulting in apparent lawsuits, it just seems a bit wild that they would all of a sudden hand over so much power to Thomas and also be willing to stick with him even if meant losing Mike’s cooperation.

I’m sure it has to be more hazy and convoluted than that, but it’s hard to say. The hardest thing for me to buy is that Joe Thomas is seriously spearheading some sort of operation to have Brian and Al actually wrestle control of the license to the BB name from Mike. There hasn’t seemed to have been a serious desire on the part of Brian and Al to actually take over touring as literally “The Beach Boys.” They obviously have mixed feelings about Mike using the name, at least at this stage since he’s doing it now at the exclusion of more reunion shows, but I haven’t seen evidence that they want to take the license back.

If they did want to take the license back, or seriously invoke that possibility to make a power play for whatever reason, they would be doing it through lawyers and agents, not Joe Thomas. True, Thomas was/is more involved than a typical writer/engineer/producer; he had a stake in the whole touring operation. But after the last decade-plus of lawsuits including lawsuits over use of the band’s name, lawsuits that took place while Thomas was not involved with Brian, I find it hard to believe they would have Thomas coming back into the fold and motivating Brian and/or Al and/or their camps to start firing up corporate moves and potential lawsuits over the band’s name.

It appears that what we currently have between the “BAD” camp and Mike is simply a bit more snippy jabs. Mike tries to use pics and footage of Brian and Al on the video screens, Brian and Al say no. Brian and Al attempt to use “original Beach Boys” in promotional materials for the Wilson/Beck tour, and Mike may have implied that they need to watch it and not use the BB name in a way that would require a license.
I don’t think Mike or BRI as a corporation are going to actually sue Brian and Al (and David?) for describing themselves as “original Beach Boys” during an 18-date tour where the ticket stub says “Brian Wilson and Jeff Beck.” That would be a hard case for Mike or BRI to win, and a hard case for BRI to even launch considering Brian and Al would not support it.

Hey Jude, I have to say and I hope you're not offended, but I agree with your above thoughts. You're having problems grasping the "Joe Thomas angle" because there isn't any (other than Joe maybe putting a roadblock on Mike writing with Brian in 2012). There is no plot or plan involving Joe Thomas and any kind of (re-)licensing issue. I believe posters who suggest one are seeking attention and enjoy sensationalizing things. They are, of course, entitled to their opinion, but the theory lacks any sense.

Every couple of days, all Melinda and/or various members of Carl Wilson's estate have to do is turn on their computer, go to their online banking website, put in their password and UserID - and chi-ching - they will see a direct deposit credit of thousands of dollars into their account. And what do they have to do to receive that money? Nothing. The point isn't what Brian (or anybody else) did in the past to deserve it. That's not the issue or the argument. The relevant point is that they made an agreement and everybody wins. They win because they are making money. Lots of it. And why would they want to change that? Because Al Jardine wants to call the group he is (temporarily) in The Beach Boys? For a couple of nights a year? Does anybody seriously think they would change the licensing, and forfeit all of that money (millions of dollars over time), to spite Mike Love? And for those who don't think that money drives everything - EVERYTHING - I ask you this question. Would Brian and Carl's estate ever vote to give Mike the license if Mike did NOT agree to paying them a percentage of the shows? If Mike would've said, "Screw you, I'm doing all the work. I'm not gonna allow you guys to sit at home and collect your money while I'm out there playing 100 shows a year....", do you think they ever would've voted to give Mike the license? Of course not. So much for how they felt about The Beach Boys' legacy. What legacy? $$$$$$$$ trumps everything.

This is about two angry, bitter men. Al Jardine was in his 50's when he was relieved of his Beach Boys' duties. It literally left Al out in the cold. Was there demand for Al as a studio session guitarist? Or a studio session singer? Al couldn't make a go of his Beach Boys Family & Friends Endless Summer Band. Did he even want to? Was there a lot of clamoring for an Al Jardine solo album? Al basically had nothing to do. Do you think put the blame for his "situation" firmly on Mike Love? And, guess what, Al got another chance to be a Beach Boy again with the C50 reunion, only to have things terminated again by who - Mike Love? And now Al has had enough. He was pushed too far, again, and he's speaking out about it. Unfortunately. I think these recent comments by Al is venting, letting his feelings out, feelings brought on by Mike Love. Al always says wacky things in interviews, and this recent "license" comment is nothing different. I don't read much into it.

And Mike? I recently posted that I think Mike is an overall happy person, but still bitter because his songwriting partnership ended over 30 years ago - and never resumed. It was bad enough that Mike had to endure and wait out Eugene Landy, who tried to distance Brian from Mike and the band. But, as soon as Landy leaves, Melinda enters the picture, and she is determined to facilitate a solo career - one that is now 25 years old - for Brian. So, Mike has to wait that out, and, when he finally gets another chance to write with Brian again in 2012, Joe Thomas supposedly (I don't know that as fact, pure speculation) prevents it from happening. I think Mike reached the point of total frustration, and is now airing his feelings in public. Obviously, Mike is looking at this with a historical perspective. And, that's Mike perspective, not everybody's. The songs that Brian and Mike wrote will be heard/played (in some mode or fashion) until the end of time. The songs that Brian wrote post-1985, as a solo artist, without Mike, will not. Mike just wants another chance at making musical history. While his performing in concert is lucrative and enjoyable, it might not be as fulfilling as writing with Brian. 

I just wish they didn't air their feelings in public. These kind of things DO add to their legacy. It just adds another sentence or two or three to the paragraph about The Beach Boys' in-fighting.

I have trouble seeing the extent of the Joe Thomas angle. But it IS there, unless Mike had been talking about somebody else in these interviews. I just feel like Mike still refuses to specify precisely what has bugged him about the reunion. The things he has specified are presumably some if his gripes, but I think he is deflecting away from some reasons. He won't talk about ego and personal finances and business arrangements (and he doesn't have to of course) in detail, and I think those things had to play a role as well.

[Heysaboda]

I love seeing a little kid in a Beatles shirt, don't you?

ha ha -- now THIS was funny!  Nice one.

So, where was the 50 year Please Please Me Box Set, hmmm?

Oh right, it never happened............. Good job Apple.  (I don't think "over saturation" is something they worry about, hmmm?)
Apple has never ONCE done a fan survey to see what fans might want, and it's because they are only in it for the Money.  Nothing wrong with money of course, but perhaps they could toss us a bone every decade or so.  How long ago was Anthology?

Sorry for the highjack... and now back to bashing Mike Love!   

signed

Former Sulpy Board Member 

[guitarfool2002]

I received a "Rubber Soul" coffee mug for Christmas and it's fantastic. I love it. I also like seeing anyone sporting a Beatles t-shirt of any kind, and it makes me think why couldn't the right strings have been pulled in order to get the iconic Frank Holmes "Smile Shop" album cover printed on a T-shirt and promoted more widely from within the BB's organization?

If I saw a person wearing one in a random place I'd go over and introduce myself, and if I saw a kid wearing one I'd probably start to cry.

[drbeachboy]

DrBeachBoy --

To clarify what I do. I write a syndicated feed that goes out to thousands of stations across North America. It is written primarily for DJ's to read on the air -- much like an interactive AP wire.
Some affiliates enjoy the "Side Notes," "Fast Facts" and "Ask Your Listeners" pieces written specifically for the jocks that they include them -- and audio -- for their web content, too.

Classic Rock radio news talks about TONS of bands you never hear played -- the Beach Boys being one of many.
FYI: Philly is one of a half-dozen East Coast Beach Boy strongholds in the country. Tremendous fan-base.
Classic Rock radio SOLD both the BWPS LP and its tour dates.
Never heard a single track from the album on the air.

Rock radio has many functions. Spinning Doobie Brothers hits is but one of them.

I write about Deep Purple, too. And when I do I write as though I'm talking to THEIR fan-base as well.

I guess you told me! Like you said in your post above, there are no black and white answers. So, since you said that, that is why I commented regarding your "Ask Your Listeners".  You basically asked is it black or is it white?

Thanks for clarifying what you do. And seriously, I didn't know. I mean, I know you are a writer, but not about the syndicated feed, etc.

Lastly, I am no doctor. Just my initials. is all. Notice I don't capitalize the "d". I'm a Beach Boys fan first and foremost. Lately, I tend to defend Mike. Not because I want to, but rather because he gets a bad rap on EVERYTHING. Brian tends to get a pass, because he's Brian, so if something goes in the shitter, it must always be Mike's fault.

[Heysaboda]

Your news feed is the best, in my opinion,news source  for Classic Rock Lovers. Essential daily reading for me. It's where, for example, I found out the Zombies were touring the US this summer (And now I am going to finally get to see my all time favorite vocalist, Colin Blunstone). As the Hollies once sang Howie, Write On!

And DITTO to what ORR said!  Howie is top notch!

[Robbie Mac]

Yes, I did write that piece.

Regarding the "harshness" at the end -- if read in full -- it's a devil's advocate play on who the public really believes is "THE BEACH BOYS" -- Brian Wilson or Mike Love.
eg: (in very broad strokes) The guy who dreamed it all and made it from God -- or the guy that schlepped it all around the world on his back over and over.

When do fans of "God" start making him responsible for his actions like the rest of us lowly human beings?

Why? When you are an abused child, it is unfair to hold them to the same standards as you would for someone who wasn't. What is this fascination that some fans have with "making Brian responsible for his actions" ? Wasn't growing up as Murry's son punishment enough?

[ontor pertawst]

BAD management team = Brian's management team. I would hope they're not using Al in that way. Not after the way Brian has treated Al over the years, including refusing to speak to him at the Hawthorne wall dedication and firing him from a  BW solo tour earlier in the decade.  I would at least hope it's just Al speaking for himself and not under anyone's orders.

You didn't hear? Melinda actually married Al as well and makes all of his decisions for him. It's one of those modern California arrangements, so we can blame her for that too.

What is this fascination that some fans have with "making Brian responsible for his actions" ?

There's a slow process where you start resembling your favorite Beach Boy. It starts innocently enough... a beard begins to sprout, say. Baseball cap material forms on your scalp and bursts through the skin. Or maybe you find yourself behind a big fake piano, the corner of your mouth starting to curl upwards and to the side. Or you start wearing white suits and idly wondering which folk songs need covering. Maybe you just find yourself during quiet moments festooning fingers with precious jewels and pointing at random people. You identify. This sh*t is PERSONAL! All along, you insist you're objective, fair, reasonable. Seeing all sides.

From your DEAD MIKE LOVE EYES!

[runnersdialzero]

I don't like seeing little kids in Beatles shirts.

[Robbie Mac]

Are YOU joking???




I love seeing a little kid in a Beatles shirt, don't you?

Corny as it sounds, but I do too.

[J.G. Dev]

BAD management team = Brian's management team. I would hope they're not using Al in that way. Not after the way Brian has treated Al over the years, including refusing to speak to him at the Hawthorne wall dedication and firing him from a  BW solo tour earlier in the decade.  I would at least hope it's just Al speaking for himself and not under anyone's orders.

You didn't hear? Melinda actually married Al as well and makes all of his decisions for him. It's one of those modern California arrangements, so we can blame her for that too.

What is this fascination that some fans have with "making Brian responsible for his actions" ?

There's a slow process where you start resembling your favorite Beach Boy. It starts innocently enough... a beard begins to sprout, say. Baseball cap material forms on your scalp and bursts through the skin. Or maybe you find yourself behind a big fake piano, the corner of your mouth starting to curl upwards and to the side. Or you start wearing white suits and idly wondering which folk songs need covering. Maybe you just find yourself during quiet moments festooning fingers with precious jewels and pointing at random people. You identify. This sh*t is PERSONAL! All along, you insist you're objective, fair, reasonable. Seeing all sides.

From your DEAD MIKE LOVE EYES!

 

[guitarfool2002]

There's a slow process where you start resembling your favorite Beach Boy.

That may make this author shown on the left the biggest Mike Love fan of all:

[Heysaboda]

simply a bit more snippy jabs

I think the Beach Boys should change their name to The Snippy Jabs.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

Speaking of Beach Boy writers, AGD should be out of lock-up any day now.

Maybe he will have some insight into the nuisances of this licensing issue?

[urbanite]

If BAD promote their concets as the original Beach Boys, they are infringing on the exclusive license that Mike has, and will probably lose a lawsuit, if one is filed.  Al has a bad track record in the litigation department and ought to learn from his mistakes.  It's Brian, David and Al and leave it at that.  Focus your energies on creating some new music worth listening to and avoid conflict.

[Heysaboda]

Speaking of Beach Boy writers, AGD should be out of lock-up any day now.

Maybe he will have some insight into the nuisances of this licensing issue?

Nurse Ratched was going to load him up with meds, and hopefully he’ll be good to go!   

[Nicko1234]

Why? When you are an abused child, it is unfair to hold them to the same standards as you would for someone who wasn't. What is this fascination that some fans have with "making Brian responsible for his actions" ? Wasn't growing up as Murry's son punishment enough?

I don't really think any adult can be given a free pass based on stuff that happened 60 years ago.