So who's been to BAD and M&B this summer?

[filledeplage]

John Stamos might be Mikes best friend but is Mike Love Johns best friend? - think we need to know 

Not the point. Irrelevant. Issue is "tribute video for Dennis." I have no doubt they will find one that works for the fans, as well as for the band. 

I think Stamos brings a whole generation to the table, and who, probably without even knowing it, even with Brian in cameos on Full House, expanded the overall awareness of BB music, to a generation, whose brand was rap, hip hop, and country rock.  Like him or dislike him, Stamos worked with Carl's Beach Boys, likely learning much.  And, Carl did lead on Forever after Dennis' death.  But, Stamos put it into the "global marketplace" via the worldwide syndication of Full House.

Well. it was just a joke. Personally I couldn't care less about Stamos/Full House etc as it never even entered my consciousness growing up but I guess in America it likely was a starting point for people to get into the band and delve beneath the cheesy bs that was portrayed in the series.

On the other hand it also likely helped propel the Mike Love BB parody and put lots of other people off ever listening to the band.

If even one kid got turned on to The Boys through that show, then that is one more fan to add to the fold. The Beach Boys shows were going to be the same whether they were on Full House or not. You don't like the dumb show? Fine, but don't tell me that it didn't help their popularity to a younger generation. The music is the music no matter what the guys singing do. See, that is the difference with The Beach Boys, no matter who the actual band is or does, it is the music that shines.

Exactly.  New generation of fans, and those shows are shown, globally.  Nick at Nite has Full House episodes on several times a day.  Other networks broadcast it as well. That is just the states.  They have been dubbed or are subtitled and distributed world wide.  That is about twenty years worth of those cameo episodes of Brian, Mike, Carl, Al and Bruce.  New kids, parents and grandparents who view with their kids, grandchildren and even great grandchildren.  That is power of Stamos.  And while people might not like it or him, it is still a far better viewing choice, than some of the violent drivel on air. 

[Cam Mott]

This is just weird. Two deceased band members are (or will be) part of the show, yet three other living members that wanted to keep all five together (and include the two members who have passed) are not part of the show? A tribute to Carl and Dennis is always a good thing. But will I have to wait for the death of Al Jardine and Brian Wilson to hear them sing ever again at a show billed as "The Beach Boys?"

Probably since the criteria is being a member who is deceased.

Maybe we could try and think of it as honoring loved ones.

[Cam Mott]

John Stamos might be Mikes best friend but is Mike Love Johns best friend? - think we need to know 

Not the point. Irrelevant. Issue is "tribute video for Dennis." I have no doubt they will find one that works for the fans, as well as for the band. 

I think Stamos brings a whole generation to the table, and who, probably without even knowing it, even with Brian in cameos on Full House, expanded the overall awareness of BB music, to a generation, whose brand was rap, hip hop, and country rock.  Like him or dislike him, Stamos worked with Carl's Beach Boys, likely learning much.  And, Carl did lead on Forever after Dennis' death.  But, Stamos put it into the "global marketplace" via the worldwide syndication of Full House.

Well. it was just a joke. Personally I couldn't care less about Stamos/Full House etc as it never even entered my consciousness growing up but I guess in America it likely was a starting point for people to get into the band and delve beneath the cheesy bs that was portrayed in the series.

On the other hand it also likely helped propel the Mike Love BB parody and put lots of other people off ever listening to the band.

If even one kid got turned on to The Boys through that show, then that is one more fan to add to the fold. The Beach Boys shows were going to be the same whether they were on Full House or not. You don't like the dumb show? Fine, but don't tell me that it didn't help their popularity to a younger generation. The music is the music no matter what the guys singing do. See, that is the difference with The Beach Boys, no matter who the actual band is or does, it is the music that shines.

Exactly.  New generation of fans, and those shows are shown, globally.  Nick at Nite has Full House episodes on several times a day.  Other networks broadcast it as well. That is just the states.  They have been dubbed or are subtitled and distributed world wide.  That is about twenty years worth of those cameo episodes of Brian, Mike, Carl, Al and Bruce.  New kids, parents and grandparents who view with their kids, grandchildren and even great grandchildren.  That is power of Stamos.  And while people might not like it or him, it is still a far better viewing choice, than some of the violent drivel on air. 

Exactly. Stamos might not be to our taste but he draws a different crowd to the party that might not have otherwise been reached.

[Rocky Raccoon]

Great review of the July 27 show.
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/post/174134-brian-wilson-with-al-jardine-and-david-marks-27-july-2013-twin-citie/

[Jim V.]

This is just weird. Two deceased band members are (or will be) part of the show, yet three other living members that wanted to keep all five together (and include the two members who have passed) are not part of the show? A tribute to Carl and Dennis is always a good thing. But will I have to wait for the death of Al Jardine and Brian Wilson to hear them sing ever again at a show billed as "The Beach Boys?"

Probably since the criteria is being a member who is deceased.

Maybe we could try and think of it as honoring loved ones.

Fair enough.

But why doesn't Mike wanna honor living loved ones, by, you know, continuing to play shows with them? Or will he just decide to be upset when they are dead? And then wish he could have worked with them more?

[Nicko1234]

Fair enough.

But why doesn't Mike wanna honor living loved ones, by, you know, continuing to play shows with them? Or will he just decide to be upset when they are dead? And then wish he could have worked with them more?

Come on...

You know very well why...

[tpesky]

Let's not pretend like Full House was a landmark television show that was one of the classics of all time. It had it's run and it's relevance in 2013 is highly questionable. You can certainly argue it brought positive attention to the BB during it's run but I think it's very hard pressed to say in 2013 people watch reruns and suddenly become fans. It is now getting harder and harder to find on reruns even.

[Nicko1234]

Let's not pretend like Full House was a landmark television show that was one of the classics of all time. It had it's run and it's relevance in 2013 is highly questionable. You can certainly argue it brought positive attention to the BB during it's run but I think it's very hard pressed to say in 2013 people watch reruns and suddenly become fans. It is now getting harder and harder to find on reruns even.

Depends which part of the world you are talking about...

[filledeplage]

Let's not pretend like Full House was a landmark television show that was one of the classics of all time. It had it's run and it's relevance in 2013 is highly questionable. You can certainly argue it brought positive attention to the BB during it's run but I think it's very hard pressed to say in 2013 people watch reruns and suddenly become fans. It is now getting harder and harder to find on reruns even.

You might want to check that fact out. Nickelodeon has 11 episodes on today.  That is Nick East.  Then there is Nick West.
5 1/2 hours of Full House.  One network in the States.  You also might run a quick wiki (good place to start) check on international syndication.  It is also on in UK, Ukraine, Turkey, Sweden, Spain, South Africa, Slovenia, Russia, Poland, Phillipines, Peru, Pakistan, New Zealand, Netherlands, Ecuador, Malaysia, Latvia, Japan, Italy, Israel, Ireland, India, Germany, France, Estonia, Denmark, Canada, Bulgaria, Brazil, Belgium and Austraila.

Think that is insignificant? 

[HeyJude]

Fair enough.

But why doesn't Mike wanna honor living loved ones, by, you know, continuing to play shows with them? Or will he just decide to be upset when they are dead? And then wish he could have worked with them more?

Come on...

You know very well why...

Well of course, we all know why (as much as any of us fans know) the touring bands are in the state they currently are. These comments are pointing out the irony of the situation, that's all. I'm not trying to be funny particularly in pointing out that the compromises that have to be made with Carl and Dennis to have them in a show are probably more easily agreeable than the compromises that have to be made with Brian's camp to tour with him.

I'm sure Mike likes the idea of paying tribute to Carl and Dennis. That's great. I don't mean that in a patronizing way. But it's also not a coincidence that they are a part of the show because it's *easier* to integrate that into the show than it is to keep the full actual currently-living band together. That's just another little irony in the Beach Boys' story. Pointing out this irony indeed serves no real purpose, but this is just a discussion forum where much if not most of what we say doesn't really actually mean anything other than all of us making our points and stating our opinions.

[HeyJude]

Let's not pretend like Full House was a landmark television show that was one of the classics of all time. It had it's run and it's relevance in 2013 is highly questionable. You can certainly argue it brought positive attention to the BB during it's run but I think it's very hard pressed to say in 2013 people watch reruns and suddenly become fans. It is now getting harder and harder to find on reruns even.

You might want to check that fact out. Nickelodeon has 11 episodes on today.  That is Nick East.  Then there is Nick West.
5 1/2 hours of Full House.  One network in the States.  You also might run a quick wiki (good place to start) check on international syndication.  It is also on in UK, Ukraine, Turkey, Sweden, Spain, South Africa, Slovenia, Russia, Poland, Phillipines, Peru, Pakistan, New Zealand, Netherlands, Ecuador, Malaysia, Latvia, Japan, Italy, Israel, Ireland, India, Germany, France, Estonia, Denmark, Canada, Bulgaria, Brazil, Belgium and Austraila.

Think that is insignificant?  

There is a lot of stuff that plays all the time on TV. "Full House" is not a forgotten item in the history of TV. But no, it is not landmark television, and the degree to which it is still relevant to bringing popularity to the Beach Boys' music is indeed questionable. If there are gen X'ers born in the 90's who fondly remember Stamos and "Forever", it is in the same vein as those "I Love the 90's" TV shows talking about the Spice Girls and Vanilla Ice.

One of those VH1 shows did a whole comedy routine one time talking about the "Kokomo" video, noting how they felt Al Jardine was David Spade's dad. 

[HeyJude]

This is just weird. Two deceased band members are (or will be) part of the show, yet three other living members that wanted to keep all five together (and include the two members who have passed) are not part of the show? A tribute to Carl and Dennis is always a good thing. But will I have to wait for the death of Al Jardine and Brian Wilson to hear them sing ever again at a show billed as "The Beach Boys?"

Probably since the criteria is being a member who is deceased.

Maybe we could try and think of it as honoring loved ones.

The criteria for what? The criteria for making a tribute? Since when does that criteria include being dead? TNT did a whole tribute show to Brian one time.

Can we honor living loved ones too? Especially those that want to keep the whole band together? And when I say honoring living loved ones, I don't mean Mike saying his cousin Brian is a genius. I mean playing with all of the surviving members.

[Cam Mott]

Maybe you didn't notice that the two honored are deceased. Brian and Al are alive.

[filledeplage]

Let's not pretend like Full House was a landmark television show that was one of the classics of all time. It had it's run and it's relevance in 2013 is highly questionable. You can certainly argue it brought positive attention to the BB during it's run but I think it's very hard pressed to say in 2013 people watch reruns and suddenly become fans. It is now getting harder and harder to find on reruns even.

You might want to check that fact out. Nickelodeon has 11 episodes on today.  That is Nick East.  Then there is Nick West.
5 1/2 hours of Full House.  One network in the States.  You also might run a quick wiki (good place to start) check on international syndication.  It is also on in UK, Ukraine, Turkey, Sweden, Spain, South Africa, Slovenia, Russia, Poland, Phillipines, Peru, Pakistan, New Zealand, Netherlands, Ecuador, Malaysia, Latvia, Japan, Italy, Israel, Ireland, India, Germany, France, Estonia, Denmark, Canada, Bulgaria, Brazil, Belgium and Austraila.

Think that is insignificant?  

There is a lot of stuff that plays all the time on TV. "Full House" is not a forgotten item in the history of TV. But no, it is not landmark television, and the degree to which it is still relevant to bringing popularity to the Beach Boys' music is indeed questionable. If there are gen X'ers born in the 90's who fondly remember Stamos and "Forever", it is in the same vein as those "I Love the 90's" TV shows talking about the Spice Girls and Vanilla Ice.

One of those VH1 shows did a whole comedy routine one time talking about the "Kokomo" video, noting how they felt Al Jardine was David Spade's dad.  

Spade is talented and cute.  They should be mutually complimented.  

Full House ran 8 seasons -192 episodes.  At 11 shows in one day, how long would it be before the Boys would be on? And, the kids would know the words to Barbara Ann? Not long.

Having spent many years monitoring TV with my own kids, from 1987 to 1995, each would have seen the prime time show at the age of from four to seven.  And I had no idea that Uncle Jesse had the Boys on the show, until I got the big shout that, "Hey Mom, the Beach Boys are on Full House!" and "Hurry!" It was a show that I was sure was non violent, entertaining, and always with some "moral" within the script.  And, the kids in my Kindergarten would come in with some tale about Uncle Jesse. And, their teacher "knew all the words" to Aruba, Jamaica..."

And your "landmark" argument fails with me.  Had the network no viewership, the show would have been dropped. The show seems to be loosely based on Trois Hommes et un couffin" the French film predecessor to Three Men and a Baby.  So, landmark, probably. And what is a landmark but that which becomes a staple or embodiment of some phenomenon of society?  And, "landmark" because it was a show that showed that kids could be taken care of by dads, who could generally match clothes, see that homework was done, and took time for some crisis or milestone in a child's life.  It was men's liberation. They couldn't wait for "mom" to come home, because she was deceased.  So many kids had to learn a new family model and a male as the primary caregiver.

Now, we have women in combat, and dads play a larger non-traditional role. Full House validates that newer family dynamic.  Go Uncle Jesse! Yes, landmark and historic in children's television.

[Cyncie]

What I find humorous about all of this is that, even as Mike criticizes the C50 tour in interviews as being too big, too much stuff, too much obscure music and too many people; he seems to be trying to re-create that magic in a stripped down way, even to the point tweaking the setlists and bringing in the video screens and tributes.

I can't blame Brian and Al for refusing to allow their images to be used. If Mike wants them in the show, he needs to actually, you know, put them in the show. The real magic of C50 was not in the frills and video screens. The real magic was having all of the Beach Boys back on stage together. And, I'm sorry, John Stamos just isn't an adequate consolation prize for the loss of Brian, Al and Dave.

[JohnMill]

Let's not pretend like Full House was a landmark television show that was one of the classics of all time. It had it's run and it's relevance in 2013 is highly questionable. You can certainly argue it brought positive attention to the BB during it's run but I think it's very hard pressed to say in 2013 people watch reruns and suddenly become fans. It is now getting harder and harder to find on reruns even.

Exactly and anyone trying to argue against your point needs to ask themselves the following question: How many stars did "Full House" spin off?  None that I can count.

John Stamos is perhaps the most successful of the cast and he is known more for the women he dates than anything else...NEXT!  Lori Loughlin?  I actually think Lori is pretty talented and remember watching her as a teenager on a soap opera called "The Edge Of Night".  I thought she had talent back then and still do now but the last thing I saw her in was the revamped "90210" where she was essentially still playing the same character she portrayed on "Full House"

The Olsen Twins were perhaps the smartest of the bunch sticking their fingers in as many pies as they could when they were younger so when their acting careers went belly up they had a lucrative fashion career to fall back on and are now millionaires many times over.  Good on them but two of the most untalented child actors to ever grace the screen in my opinion.  The rest of the cast went nowhere after "Full House" and while the show is fondly remembered by the generation that grew up watching it, to others it's a saccharine piece of trash.   That "moral in every episode" deal that filledeplage brings up?  Well that is essentially the number one reason why the show is absolute trash.  They focused so much on imparting their skewed version of wisdom and not enough on creating solid programming.  It's sad too because Miller-Boyett actually put together some entertaining shows in the mid eighties such as "Valerie" and "Perfect Strangers" but by the time they got to stuff like "Full House" or "Family Matters" they sacrificed substance for what they knew would draw ratings.  Seriously if you want to watch some good Miller-Boyett programming, go watch the first season of "Valerie" if you can find it.  It's miles away better than anything Miller-Boyett ever came up with for "Full House".

Sorry that this post got away from The Beach Boys but man oh man "Full House" sucks.

[Cam Mott]

Oh yeah, that's another reason besides being alive that BA aren't honored in the same way as CD at Mike's shows, BA don't want it.

Stamos is still a viable celebrity, I believe he recently joined the cast of a US show [I don't watch it]. Full House still pulls an international audience. Whether we personally like it or not I believe it is an inconvenient truth that the association is not harmful to the group's legacy.

[SMiLE Brian]

And the BBs cheesy image went into overdrive for being associated with the show.

I am going to take a lot of heat for this, but I think the BBs went on as a group for far too long.  

[Pretty Funky]

Maybe you didn't notice that the two honored are deceased. Brian and Al are alive.

...and on the touring circuit 'The Opposition'.

Keep in mind Al claimed he, Brian, Dave and the band are 'the heart and soul of this thing' or words to that effect. So they may be playing different venues, dates etc but they are in competition for the same revenue. 

[JohnMill]

Oh yeah, that's another reason besides being alive that BA aren't honored in the same way as CD at Mike's shows, BA don't want it.

Stamos is still a viable celebrity, I believe he recently joined the cast of a US show [I don't watch it]. Full House still pulls an international audience. Whether we personally like it or not I believe it is an inconvenient truth that the association is not harmful to the group's legacy.

With all due respect who cares whether or not The Beach Boys were harmed by their association with "Full House"?  Did it really matter at that point?  They weren't exactly contemporary music at the time "Full House" was on the air so I can't see the pop pickers of the day really giving much thought to the band's association with a television show.  Stamos obviously loves The Beach Boys as much as everyone here and offered his buddies a chance to be on his show.  I don't get what the big deal is?  Is it the fact that Stamos recorded with them on SIP?  Probably not the band's finest hour but pretty harmless at the end of the day.  Personally I thought The Beach Boys' appearance on "Home Improvement" when they were brought in as Wilson's cousins (a great bit of casting if there ever was) was a heck of a lot more entertaining than anything they did on "Full House" because they were given a better storyline and actors who could make The Beach Boys involvement in the plot actually entertaining.  On "Full House" it just seemed like they were there for the purpose of making a cameo appearance and that was it.

But at the end of the day John Stamos' intentions were good, if it helped The Beach Boys sell a few more records that was fine too.  If it damaged their legacy?  Well by the time The Beach Boys appeared on "Full House" they didn't need John Stamos' assistance to help damage their brand that's for sure.  

[Cam Mott]

I for one am not worried about their legacy. Their legacy is strong  through generations, continues to be strong, and is on-going.
 
Edit: All of their individual behaviors collectively should have killed their legacy decades ago but it seems to be assured for the ages in spite of them.

[Rocky Raccoon]

I see John Stamos's relationship with the group more as taking advantage of his friendship to play on stage with them rather than to appeal to a younger audience.  Full House hasn't been on the air in nearly two decades and its popularity with my generation is more based on its ridicule (a so bad it's good kind of thing) rather than its being quality television. 

[filledeplage]

Let's not pretend like Full House was a landmark television show that was one of the classics of all time. It had it's run and it's relevance in 2013 is highly questionable. You can certainly argue it brought positive attention to the BB during it's run but I think it's very hard pressed to say in 2013 people watch reruns and suddenly become fans. It is now getting harder and harder to find on reruns even.

Exactly and anyone trying to argue against your point needs to ask themselves the following question: How many stars did "Full House" spin off?  None that I can count.

John Stamos is perhaps the most successful of the cast and he is known more for the women he dates than anything else...NEXT!  Lori Loughlin?  I actually think Lori is pretty talented and remember watching her as a teenager on a soap opera called "The Edge Of Night".  I thought she had talent back then and still do now but the last thing I saw her in was the revamped "90210" where she was essentially still playing the same character she portrayed on "Full House"

The Olsen Twins were perhaps the smartest of the bunch sticking their fingers in as many pies as they could when they were younger so when their acting careers went belly up they had a lucrative fashion career to fall back on and are now millionaires many times over.  Good on them but two of the most untalented child actors to ever grace the screen in my opinion.  The rest of the cast went nowhere after "Full House" and while the show is fondly remembered by the generation that grew up watching it, to others it's a saccharine piece of trash.   That "moral in every episode" deal that filledeplage brings up?  Well that is essentially the number one reason why the show is absolute trash.  They focused so much on imparting their skewed version of wisdom and not enough on creating solid programming.  It's sad too because Miller-Boyett actually put together some entertaining shows in the mid eighties such as "Valerie" and "Perfect Strangers" but by the time they got to stuff like "Full House" or "Family Matters" they sacrificed substance for what they knew would draw ratings.  Seriously if you want to watch some good Miller-Boyett programming, go watch the first season of "Valerie" if you can find it.  It's miles away better than anything Miller-Boyett ever came up with for "Full House".

Sorry that this post got away from The Beach Boys but man oh man "Full House" sucks.

John Mill - Full House was the third spinoff from the French film from a few years earlier.  The American film with Danson, I think was a big hit as well. We aren't talking intellectual.  We are talking major network, prime time, and I taught in a housing project of a very poor city school system where the kids did not have cable, but a lot of bad and violent influences.  Many were being raised by grandparents or extended family because their parents OD'd or died of HIV, before good treatments were available. We're talking late 1980's and early 1990's.   So, the choices of non-affluent families were few.  

When you have nothing and are poor, and there is some non-violent family friendly show on, for free, it's a good thing, in my book.  

The Band was not in Pet Sounds mode.  They were approaching their 50's and finding creative ways to reinvent, perhaps and, cameos were one very effective way of making this happen.  In the long view, it's might be just an "episode" (pun intended) of "staying in the game," no more than touring.  Movie sound tracks started picking up the music like Troop Beverly Hills and commercials for cleaners such as 4-0-9.  Heady and intellectual? No, but they were "Still Cruisin'"

And, Full House was a show that kids looked forward to, no less than the many developmentally delayed special needs population who, are part of our society, as well, and they got into the music from old ( yeah 50 is nifty!) Uncle Jesse.  You don't have to love or even like him, but it's always nice to give the devil their "due."

Some of that non-traditional stuff kept them in the public eye, so they got to C50.  Perhaps it was part of "the village" that kept them out there.  

[Rocky Raccoon]

I don't mind that they did a guest spot on the show way back when, it bothers me that Stamos, despite being a mediocre singer and musician, feels he's entitled to play with the band when he feels like it.  He's not a rock star, he's an actor and there's no reason for him to be up there.  At least he had the decency to stay away from the C50 tour (well, for the most part at least).

[JohnMill]

Let's not pretend like Full House was a landmark television show that was one of the classics of all time. It had it's run and it's relevance in 2013 is highly questionable. You can certainly argue it brought positive attention to the BB during it's run but I think it's very hard pressed to say in 2013 people watch reruns and suddenly become fans. It is now getting harder and harder to find on reruns even.

Exactly and anyone trying to argue against your point needs to ask themselves the following question: How many stars did "Full House" spin off?  None that I can count.

John Stamos is perhaps the most successful of the cast and he is known more for the women he dates than anything else...NEXT!  Lori Loughlin?  I actually think Lori is pretty talented and remember watching her as a teenager on a soap opera called "The Edge Of Night".  I thought she had talent back then and still do now but the last thing I saw her in was the revamped "90210" where she was essentially still playing the same character she portrayed on "Full House"

The Olsen Twins were perhaps the smartest of the bunch sticking their fingers in as many pies as they could when they were younger so when their acting careers went belly up they had a lucrative fashion career to fall back on and are now millionaires many times over.  Good on them but two of the most untalented child actors to ever grace the screen in my opinion.  The rest of the cast went nowhere after "Full House" and while the show is fondly remembered by the generation that grew up watching it, to others it's a saccharine piece of trash.   That "moral in every episode" deal that filledeplage brings up?  Well that is essentially the number one reason why the show is absolute trash.  They focused so much on imparting their skewed version of wisdom and not enough on creating solid programming.  It's sad too because Miller-Boyett actually put together some entertaining shows in the mid eighties such as "Valerie" and "Perfect Strangers" but by the time they got to stuff like "Full House" or "Family Matters" they sacrificed substance for what they knew would draw ratings.  Seriously if you want to watch some good Miller-Boyett programming, go watch the first season of "Valerie" if you can find it.  It's miles away better than anything Miller-Boyett ever came up with for "Full House".

Sorry that this post got away from The Beach Boys but man oh man "Full House" sucks.

John Mill - Full House was the third spinoff from the French film from a few years earlier.  The American film with Danson, I think was a big hit as well. We aren't talking intellectual.  We are talking major network, prime time, and I taught in a housing project of a very poor city school system where the kids did not have cable, but a lot of bad and violent influences.  Many were being raised by grandparents or extended family because their parents OD'd or died of HIV, before good treatments were available. We're talking late 1980's and early 1990's.   So, the choices of non-affluent families were few.  

When you have nothing and are poor, and there is some non-violent family friendly show on, for free, it's a good thing, in my book.  

I respect your opinion, I just don't happen to agree with it.  "Full House" in my opinion is still garbage and perhaps the nadir of family programming that has ever been successful on any large scale.  I think in 1990, when "Beverly Hills 90210" hit the air and was such a huge success it showed all these other creators such as Miller-Boyett how far removed they were from what the average teenager in the United States at that time was going through.  The newspapers were reporting on these issues every day but the television fare at the time wasn't reflecting them.  While it's true that many people use television as a method of escapism from real life, I've always believed that the option should be there for television shows to be used as a source of information as far as reflecting some of the issues it's audience is facing in their lives.  Shows like "Full House" offered nothing except the satisfaction that whatever problems those characters were having would be solved within the span of thirty minutes.  While that formula had worked for years by the late eighties/early nineties it was becoming downright insulting to a generation that were dealing with much headier problems than the ones that were explored on shows like "Full House".

Again it took 90210 awhile to take hold as first they had to wade through a season of after-school special type nonsense which didn't find much of an audience.  But by the end of the first season they really started to make their show more in step with a lot of the issues that teenagers were facing.  Were they perfect?  Heck no?  Was there a fair share of crap on that show?  Heck yeah!  But the bottom line is that show changed how younger audiences were marketed to in a very positive way.  Suddenly you had less shows like "Full House" and more shows like "Party Of Five" which sought to address issues instead of promoting fantasy.  Gone were the "Very Special Episode" garbage that typified eighties television where a legitimate issue would be addressed within the span of one thirty minute episode and then quickly forgotten about the week after.  Even the TGIF shows eventually fell in line with "Step By Step" presenting the topic of a blended household (if that is even the right term I'm not sure) in a way that was far more realistic than "The Brady Bunch" could've ever hoped to be.  "Boy Meets World" although campy enough in it's own right by the end of that series was really treating it's audience with a great deal of respect in addressing issues which shows like "Full House" didn't dare go near. 

I'm not saying there isn't room on television for shows like "Full House" but shows like that and "Seventh Heaven" do not present an accurate view of reality from where I stand.  They are distorted and in the case of "Full House" again it is unfortunate because Miller-Boyett were capable of some really good programming.