So who's been to BAD and M&B this summer?

[filledeplage]

I don't mind that they did a guest spot on the show way back when, it bothers me that Stamos, despite being a mediocre singer and musician, feels he's entitled to play with the band when he feels like it.  He's not a rock star, he's an actor and there's no reason for him to be up there.  At least he had the decency to stay away from the C50 tour (well, for the most part at least).

There were other shows they did cameos on. One was Jack Klugman's "You again?" - Stamos was in that one as well. It ran from 1986 to 1987 just before Full House. The Boys did cameos on that show, as well. Dennis died at the end of 1983.  Big void.

Stamos had name recognition, and while he was NOT Dennis, he did drum, and in my opinion helped lift the huge mantle of grief for at least some of the fans, by helping keep the music alive in another emerging context called VH1 and MTV as well as being someone who seemed very much in awe and eager to learn from the band. That is just my lowly bystander read.  I remembered him from the soap General Hospital where he got his start with Demi Moore.  He wasn't a stranger to me.  

People were asking for him on C50.  I was lucky to see a bunch of the shows. Have car - see Beach Boys! But, what is impressive is that he is so down to earth and seeks out the developmentally delayed audience.  I know teachers who teach regular education and get "very nervous" around special needs students.  But, Stamos has a certain "way" with them, who are perfect strangers, who only know him from TV (Full House) and call him "Uncle Jesse" and not "Mr. Stamos."

I guess if he was good enough to tour with Carl and Brian, when he was with them, then he is good enough for me.  He is a team player on stage and does a pretty funny "tag-team" thing with Mike.  A-OK in my book for all of the above reasons.  

To those who think Full House is not still on TV, check Nickelodeon website.  For those people who have little comprehension of time, space, and world news, Uncle Jesse is a "player" in their everyday lives.  And when they might meet him at a show, it is Christmas for them.  To them, he is a hero.  Good guy!

[drbeachboy]

I see John Stamos's relationship with the group more as taking advantage of his friendship to play on stage with them rather than to appeal to a younger audience.  Full House hasn't been on the air in nearly two decades and its popularity with my generation is more based on its ridicule (a so bad it's good kind of thing) rather than its being quality television. 

So what? Whatever the reason, if Mike wants him on stage, then he'll be on stage. No taking advantage of anything. We are the only one who ridicule. Most people at the shows enjoy his presence. Man, we'll argue about anything.

[Cabinessenceking]

I see John Stamos's relationship with the group more as taking advantage of his friendship to play on stage with them rather than to appeal to a younger audience.  Full House hasn't been on the air in nearly two decades and its popularity with my generation is more based on its ridicule (a so bad it's good kind of thing) rather than its being quality television. 

So what? Whatever the reason, if Mike wants him on stage, then he'll be on stage. No taking advantage of anything. We are the only one who ridicule. Most people at the shows enjoy his presence. Man, we'll argue about anything.

No we won't.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Full House may have sucked balls, but Bob Saget is the freakin' man. Anybody who only knows him from Full House and America's Funniest Home Videos needs to see his stand-up act.

[EgoHanger1966]

Full House may have sucked balls, but Bob Saget is the freakin' man. Anybody who only knows him from Full House and America's Funniest Home Videos needs to see his stand-up act.

I strongly disagree - I've seen his stand-up and find him extremely distasteful. He's just works too blue and it comes off as a cheap, tacky way of ridding himself of the clean-cut image of Danny Tanner.

[Nicko1234]

The group appearing on Full House did nothing to tarnish their image.

They started out appearing in any TV show or movie that would have them (were Karen or Monkey`s Uncle really so different?) and playing at county fairs. That`s what they went back to.

They were never The Sex Pistols...

[Jim V.]

I guess if he was good enough to tour with Carl and Brian, when he was with them, then he is good enough for me.  He is a team player on stage and does a pretty funny "tag-team" thing with Mike.  A-OK in my book for all of the above reasons.  

Well Brian (or Brian's "people") sure didn't care much for ol' Stamos last year, when he was apparently dancing around with a petrified looking little girl like a jackass at one their shows, and then was apparently nowhere to be seen after certain members of the backup band basically made Rolling Stone aware of the fact that this was pretty fuckin' lame, especially for a group that was trying to celebrate 50 years of music.

We are the only one who ridicule. Most people at the shows enjoy his presence.

I don't know about that. All I know is that a lot of my friends (the type who might own Pet Sounds and Classics selected by Brian Wilson, but are not huge fans), think John Stamos continuing affiliation with the group is embarrassing. These are the kind of people, when talking about their favorite music would list "Brian Wilson" but not "The Beach Boys", because "The Beach Boys" to them are those tacky assholes who are bald, have ponytails, and have cheerleaders on stage. I'm not saying these people are right (they obviously don't get the full picture), but they definitely exist. Brian Wilson may have risen to incredible heights these past 20 years as far as getting recognition for his great work, but The Beach Boys as a full entity? There is still some rehabbing to be done on that.

The group appearing on Full House did nothing to tarnish their image.

Just as I said responding to drbeachboys's post, it sure has (and still does) for a lot of non-hardcore fans.

[Nicko1234]

I don't know about that. All I know is that a lot of my friends (the type who might own Pet Sounds and Classics selected by Brian Wilson, but are not huge fans), think John Stamos continuing affiliation with the group is embarrassing. These are the kind of people, when talking about their favorite music would list "Brian Wilson" but not "The Beach Boys", because "The Beach Boys" to them are those tacky assholes who are bald, have ponytails, and have cheerleaders on stage. I'm not saying these people are right (they obviously don't get the full picture), but they definitely exist. Brian Wilson may have risen to incredible heights these past 20 years as far as getting recognition for his great work, but The Beach Boys as a full entity? There is still some rehabbing to be done on that.

These people are unlikely to go to watch Mike and Bruce in concert surely.

[Nicko1234]

Just as I said responding to drbeachboys's post, it sure has (and still does) for a lot of non-hardcore fans.

It`s done them a lot more good than harm that`s for sure. How many views of John Stamos`s Forever on Youtube?

[drbeachboy]

I guess if he was good enough to tour with Carl and Brian, when he was with them, then he is good enough for me.  He is a team player on stage and does a pretty funny "tag-team" thing with Mike.  A-OK in my book for all of the above reasons.  

Well Brian (or Brian's "people") sure didn't care much for ol' Stamos last year, when he was apparently dancing around with a petrified looking little girl like a jackass at one their shows, and then was apparently nowhere to be seen after certain members of the backup band basically made Rolling Stone aware of the fact that this was pretty fuckin' lame, especially for a group that was trying to celebrate 50 years of music.

We are the only one who ridicule. Most people at the shows enjoy his presence.

I don't know about that. All I know is that a lot of my friends (the type who might own Pet Sounds and Classics selected by Brian Wilson, but are not huge fans), think John Stamos continuing affiliation with the group is embarrassing. These are the kind of people, when talking about their favorite music would list "Brian Wilson" but not "The Beach Boys", because "The Beach Boys" to them are those tacky assholes who are bald, have ponytails, and have cheerleaders on stage. I'm not saying these people are right (they obviously don't get the full picture), but they definitely exist. Brian Wilson may have risen to incredible heights these past 20 years as far as getting recognition for his great work, but The Beach Boys as a full entity? There is still some rehabbing to be done on that.

The group appearing on Full House did nothing to tarnish their image.

Just as I said responding to drbeachboys's post, it sure has (and still does) for a lot of non-hardcore fans.

Look, many of you think the Beach Boys are only Pet Sounds and Smile. Sorry to break to you, but that was 2 years out of 51. Since the Washington D.C. fiasco in 1983, they have tried to portray themselves has a family friendly band. You don't go on Stamos' first show, Full House and Home Improvement unless you are looking to advertise yourself as such. Why you guys insist on making the band something that they are not and really never have been is beyond comprehension. It's like you're in denial.

[SMiLE Brian]

Full House may have sucked balls, but Bob Saget is the freakin' man. Anybody who only knows him from Full House and America's Funniest Home Videos needs to see his stand-up act.

Also raps....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B_n9YaAMmg

[Wirestone]

Stamos is a blight on the band and its legacy.

He has surely turned off tons more people than he ever might have attracted.

The actual people who care about music are actively (and still) repulsed by his presence. These are folks who turn on others to the music, folks who become die-hard fans, folks who care. These are the most valuable people any band can have as fans, and Mike has driven them away with this tomfoolery.

The people who like Stamos are those who have purchased two CDs in their entire lives, one of Billy Ray Cyrus and the other an ABBA Gold collection.

[Wirestone]

I guess if he was good enough to tour with Carl and Brian, when he was with them, then he is good enough for me.  He is a team player on stage and does a pretty funny "tag-team" thing with Mike.  A-OK in my book for all of the above reasons.  

Well Brian (or Brian's "people") sure didn't care much for ol' Stamos last year, when he was apparently dancing around with a petrified looking little girl like a jackass at one their shows, and then was apparently nowhere to be seen after certain members of the backup band basically made Rolling Stone aware of the fact that this was pretty fuckin' lame, especially for a group that was trying to celebrate 50 years of music.

We are the only one who ridicule. Most people at the shows enjoy his presence.

I don't know about that. All I know is that a lot of my friends (the type who might own Pet Sounds and Classics selected by Brian Wilson, but are not huge fans), think John Stamos continuing affiliation with the group is embarrassing. These are the kind of people, when talking about their favorite music would list "Brian Wilson" but not "The Beach Boys", because "The Beach Boys" to them are those tacky assholes who are bald, have ponytails, and have cheerleaders on stage. I'm not saying these people are right (they obviously don't get the full picture), but they definitely exist. Brian Wilson may have risen to incredible heights these past 20 years as far as getting recognition for his great work, but The Beach Boys as a full entity? There is still some rehabbing to be done on that.

The group appearing on Full House did nothing to tarnish their image.

Just as I said responding to drbeachboys's post, it sure has (and still does) for a lot of non-hardcore fans.

Look, many of you think the Beach Boys are only Pet Sounds and Smile. Sorry to break to you, but that was 2 years out of 51. Since the Washington D.C. fiasco in 1983, they have tried to portray themselves has a family friendly band. You don't go on Stamos' first show, Full House and Home Improvement unless you are looking to advertise yourself as such. Why you guys insist on making the band something that they are not and really never have been is beyond comprehension. It's like you're in denial.

Or that we care about the band's actual important work.

I can't believe that anyone on a Beach Boys fan board would try to argue that Pet Sounds and Smile aren't the peak of their legacy as creative musicians. Hell, even Mike agrees with that.

[Pretty Funky]

Stamos gets more wasted print on this site than anyone except Mike. Another derailed thread.

[drbeachboy]

Stamos is a blight on the band and its legacy.

He has surely turned off tons more people than he ever might have attracted.

The actual people who care about music are actively (and still) repulsed by his presence. These are folks who turn on others to the music, folks who become die-hard fans, folks who care. These are the most valuable people any band can have as fans, and Mike has driven them away with this tomfoolery.

The people who like Stamos are those who have purchased two CDs in their entire lives, one of Billy Ray Cyrus and the other an ABBA Gold collection.

I've been a fan for 45 plus years, and John Stamos makes no difference whether I like the band more or not. Wirestone, do you really dislike the music more after Stamos has been in the picture? Except for one song, is he any records? Is he on any live CDs put out by the band? I have gone to about 35 plus shows over the years and I've seen them with Stamos a couple times. And except for a couple tunes when first introduced and the encore, basically stays in the background playing percussion. He's made no impact on my fandom whatsoever.

[drbeachboy]

I guess if he was good enough to tour with Carl and Brian, when he was with them, then he is good enough for me.  He is a team player on stage and does a pretty funny "tag-team" thing with Mike.  A-OK in my book for all of the above reasons. 

Well Brian (or Brian's "people") sure didn't care much for ol' Stamos last year, when he was apparently dancing around with a petrified looking little girl like a jackass at one their shows, and then was apparently nowhere to be seen after certain members of the backup band basically made Rolling Stone aware of the fact that this was pretty fuckin' lame, especially for a group that was trying to celebrate 50 years of music.

We are the only one who ridicule. Most people at the shows enjoy his presence.

I don't know about that. All I know is that a lot of my friends (the type who might own Pet Sounds and Classics selected by Brian Wilson, but are not huge fans), think John Stamos continuing affiliation with the group is embarrassing. These are the kind of people, when talking about their favorite music would list "Brian Wilson" but not "The Beach Boys", because "The Beach Boys" to them are those tacky assholes who are bald, have ponytails, and have cheerleaders on stage. I'm not saying these people are right (they obviously don't get the full picture), but they definitely exist. Brian Wilson may have risen to incredible heights these past 20 years as far as getting recognition for his great work, but The Beach Boys as a full entity? There is still some rehabbing to be done on that.

The group appearing on Full House did nothing to tarnish their image.

Just as I said responding to drbeachboys's post, it sure has (and still does) for a lot of non-hardcore fans.

Look, many of you think the Beach Boys are only Pet Sounds and Smile. Sorry to break to you, but that was 2 years out of 51. Since the Washington D.C. fiasco in 1983, they have tried to portray themselves has a family friendly band. You don't go on Stamos' first show, Full House and Home Improvement unless you are looking to advertise yourself as such. Why you guys insist on making the band something that they are not and really never have been is beyond comprehension. It's like you're in denial.

Or that we care about the band's actual important work.

I can't believe that anyone on a Beach Boys fan board would try to argue that Pet Sounds and Smile aren't the peak of their legacy as creative musicians. Hell, even Mike agrees with that.

While great, I like their whole body of work. I listen to many more of their albums besides Pet Sounds & Smile. Neither rank in my Top 5. While I recognize their immense importance, they are not the only fantastic music that the band created.

[Wirestone]

Wirestone, do you really dislike the music more after Stamos has been in the picture?

Yes.

But my point isn't about people who are already fans, or who come to fandom through different ways. I'm talking about people whose image of the band is defined by Kokomo and Stamos. And for folks that that, the Beach Boys will always be purveyors of cheesy nonsense. It's off-putting in a real, profound way.

Count me in as one of those people who avoids calling myself a Beach Boys fan because of this stuff. I have been, am, and will continue to be a Brian Wilson (and Van Dyke Parks) fan. I also enjoy the voices of Carl and Dennis Wilson, and of Al Jardine, and sometimes Mike Love and Bruce Johnston.

But I am deeply uncomfortable with labeling myself a Beach Boys fan. Not as they've portrayed themselves for the last couple of decades. Too much baggage.

[SMiLE Brian]

Wirestone, I agree with you about the BBs image of 1985-1998. It was Brian's solo tours that brought new found appreciation of the BBs back catalog.

Even M&B agree with their setlist being deeper than it was from 1998-2004.

[drbeachboy]

Wow! What bad affect did Stamos have on C50? Lots of people went to the shows knowing Stamos was touring with the band since the mid-80s. Audiences had a great time celebrating the event. They even had to add 23 more shows. To hear you, nobody should have showed up due to Stamos' past affiliation. Listen to me, Stamos means nothing! Never did, never will.

[Jim V.]

I guess if he was good enough to tour with Carl and Brian, when he was with them, then he is good enough for me.  He is a team player on stage and does a pretty funny "tag-team" thing with Mike.  A-OK in my book for all of the above reasons.  

Well Brian (or Brian's "people") sure didn't care much for ol' Stamos last year, when he was apparently dancing around with a petrified looking little girl like a jackass at one their shows, and then was apparently nowhere to be seen after certain members of the backup band basically made Rolling Stone aware of the fact that this was pretty fuckin' lame, especially for a group that was trying to celebrate 50 years of music.

We are the only one who ridicule. Most people at the shows enjoy his presence.

I don't know about that. All I know is that a lot of my friends (the type who might own Pet Sounds and Classics selected by Brian Wilson, but are not huge fans), think John Stamos continuing affiliation with the group is embarrassing. These are the kind of people, when talking about their favorite music would list "Brian Wilson" but not "The Beach Boys", because "The Beach Boys" to them are those tacky assholes who are bald, have ponytails, and have cheerleaders on stage. I'm not saying these people are right (they obviously don't get the full picture), but they definitely exist. Brian Wilson may have risen to incredible heights these past 20 years as far as getting recognition for his great work, but The Beach Boys as a full entity? There is still some rehabbing to be done on that.

The group appearing on Full House did nothing to tarnish their image.

Just as I said responding to drbeachboys's post, it sure has (and still does) for a lot of non-hardcore fans.

Look, many of you think the Beach Boys are only Pet Sounds and Smile. Sorry to break to you, but that was 2 years out of 51. Since the Washington D.C. fiasco in 1983, they have tried to portray themselves has a family friendly band. You don't go on Stamos' first show, Full House and Home Improvement unless you are looking to advertise yourself as such. Why you guys insist on making the band something that they are not and really never have been is beyond comprehension. It's like you're in denial.

I don't think The Beach Boys are only those albums. Just as I don't think they are only '62 through '65 and "Kokomo" like Mike does. However, I made a point that there are a lot of people that would probably be interested in a Beach Boys that included all their living members and played a bigger selection of their music. Unfortunately one of the members of the group doesn't wanna do that, so I guess they'll have to make due with a Brian Wilson show.

And yeah, they promote themselves as "family friendly". No problem with that. The Beatles sure do these days. Even the Stones kinda do now. However, it seems like some certain members of the group are more satisfied with a trashy, know-nothing Wal-Mart audience, rather than just trying to make the group a bit more classy. I thought C50 was a nice medium. It was something that definitely appealed to the know nothings  as well as those who are truly fans of more of the groups work.

[drbeachboy]

I guess if he was good enough to tour with Carl and Brian, when he was with them, then he is good enough for me.  He is a team player on stage and does a pretty funny "tag-team" thing with Mike.  A-OK in my book for all of the above reasons. 

Well Brian (or Brian's "people") sure didn't care much for ol' Stamos last year, when he was apparently dancing around with a petrified looking little girl like a jackass at one their shows, and then was apparently nowhere to be seen after certain members of the backup band basically made Rolling Stone aware of the fact that this was pretty fuckin' lame, especially for a group that was trying to celebrate 50 years of music.

We are the only one who ridicule. Most people at the shows enjoy his presence.

I don't know about that. All I know is that a lot of my friends (the type who might own Pet Sounds and Classics selected by Brian Wilson, but are not huge fans), think John Stamos continuing affiliation with the group is embarrassing. These are the kind of people, when talking about their favorite music would list "Brian Wilson" but not "The Beach Boys", because "The Beach Boys" to them are those tacky assholes who are bald, have ponytails, and have cheerleaders on stage. I'm not saying these people are right (they obviously don't get the full picture), but they definitely exist. Brian Wilson may have risen to incredible heights these past 20 years as far as getting recognition for his great work, but The Beach Boys as a full entity? There is still some rehabbing to be done on that.

The group appearing on Full House did nothing to tarnish their image.

Just as I said responding to drbeachboys's post, it sure has (and still does) for a lot of non-hardcore fans.

Look, many of you think the Beach Boys are only Pet Sounds and Smile. Sorry to break to you, but that was 2 years out of 51. Since the Washington D.C. fiasco in 1983, they have tried to portray themselves has a family friendly band. You don't go on Stamos' first show, Full House and Home Improvement unless you are looking to advertise yourself as such. Why you guys insist on making the band something that they are not and really never have been is beyond comprehension. It's like you're in denial.

I don't think The Beach Boys are only those albums. Just as I don't think they are only '62 through '65 and "Kokomo" like Mike does. However, I made a point that there are a lot of people that would probably be interested in a Beach Boys that included all their living members and played a bigger selection of their music. Unfortunately one of the members of the group doesn't wanna do that, so I guess they'll have to make due with a Brian Wilson show.

And yeah, they promote themselves as "family friendly". No problem with that. The Beatles sure do these days. Even the Stones kinda do now. However, it seems like some certain members of the group are more satisfied with a trashy, know-nothing Wal-Mart audience, rather than just trying to make the group a bit more classy. I thought C50 was a nice medium. It was something that definitely appealed to the know nothings  as well as those who are truly fans of more of the groups work.

Oh, so now we're snooty. Too good for the Wal-Mart crowd. Where the f*** did this come from?

[SMiLE Brian]

Seaworld
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81sslMEFf8c


Its just M&B don't carry themselves as 1960s legends, but as a 2nd tier group from that era.

[Nicko1234]

I don't think The Beach Boys are only those albums. Just as I don't think they are only '62 through '65 and "Kokomo" like Mike does. However, I made a point that there are a lot of people that would probably be interested in a Beach Boys that included all their living members and played a bigger selection of their music. Unfortunately one of the members of the group doesn't wanna do that, so I guess they'll have to make due with a Brian Wilson show.

And yeah, they promote themselves as "family friendly". No problem with that. The Beatles sure do these days. Even the Stones kinda do now. However, it seems like some certain members of the group are more satisfied with a trashy, know-nothing Wal-Mart audience, rather than just trying to make the group a bit more classy. I thought C50 was a nice medium. It was something that definitely appealed to the know nothings  as well as those who are truly fans of more of the groups work.

So it just comes down to anti-Mike feelings again really doesn`t it?

[drbeachboy]

Seaworld
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81sslMEFf8c


Its just M&B don't carry themselves as 1960s legends, but as a 2nd tier group from that era.

And Brian & Al reap the profits of that 2nd Tier group. I'll say this much, they make themselves available to whoever wants to see them. They don't gouge their fans with outrageous prices either. 

[SMiLE Brian]

It just I want to see the BBs on top with all the guys together, not one original member and a replacement member touring smaller venues. I don't think BW overcharges either.