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Quote from: Wah Wah Wah Ooooo on June 22, 2013, 05:56:12 PM
This is a fun thread to read...here's my likely unpopular opinions (the first is certain to be unpopular)...
-Caroline, No is a very weak track. I skip it every time. Also, the instrumentals on PS are utter crap of an almost embarrassing level.
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Mike is worlds more talented than Bruce in many ways. Look at the number of songs Mike has his name attached to and the nature of those songs and then look at how many Bruce has his attached to and the nature of those songs. I'm not sayin' Bruce is a bad songwriter and I realize many of Mike's co-write credits are for lyrics (although lyrics take a lot of time and skill, too, and I
hate
when people try to discredit someone on the grounds of "Doesn't he just write lyrics?"), but many are music credits to one extent or another.
Obviously Bruce's got the pianer chops and had (has?) a pretty nice voice way back when, although I might argue that Mike's is pretty distinct and he's great at what he does, too. Bruce did a lot more in the way of production than Mike ever did, too. Y'know. Y'know. In conclusion, both guys have a lot of skillz and worth in their own way.
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At least we can rest assured that no one from BRI will issue a cease and desist against you, since Brian (thankfully) never talks like that.
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cake
Edit: Wait, I just realized you insulted me. You NITWIT.
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NITWIT? No, no! DRAGONFLY! *hopes people get the reference*
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I hate every Beach Boys album after Love You. I don't care if there are actually a handful of decent songs on them, I still think they by and large suck the big one.
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hi mike where's yer pal bruce?
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Quote from: Wirestone on June 22, 2013, 01:42:43 PM
If all of BW's post-'91 solo albums actually sounded the same, I would give some credence to your opinion. Given that they don't, I can only infer that you haven't heard them -- and accordingly dismiss your post as the flagrant nonsense it is.
Firstly my post stated that
everything after Imagination (98)
sounds the same, so learn to read correctly.
Secondly everything from the Wondermints era does sound the same. No twists or turns. The only suprise now is when Brian actually cuts a decent vocal.
Thirdly anyone who drops a doozy such as
"I would trade the entire Beach Boys discography for Brian's 4 solo albums"
, really has no place being dismissive of others opinions.
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NITWIT? No, no! DRAGONFLY! *hopes people get the reference*
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Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
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Quote from: Wah Wah Wah Ooooo on June 22, 2013, 05:56:12 PM
-Carl Wilson, while a phenomenal singer, producer, arranger, band leader, was a mediocre at best songwriter.
I think this is an important point. Even Carl's best songs (from
Surf's Up
and
Holland
, mainly) are some of the most overrated BB songs in fan circles and do not compare well with the lesser songs of Dennis, let alone Brian.
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Quote from: smilethebeachboysloveyou on June 23, 2013, 04:45:00 AM
Quote from: Wah Wah Wah Ooooo on June 22, 2013, 05:56:12 PM
-Carl Wilson, while a phenomenal singer, producer, arranger, band leader, was a mediocre at best songwriter.
I think this is an important point. Even Carl's best songs (from
Surf's Up
and
Holland
, mainly) are some of the most overrated BB songs in fan circles and do not compare well with the lesser songs of Dennis, let alone Brian.
He can hardly be called a phenomenal arranger either. Or producer.
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To me, there are three Carl Wilson songs that are not overrated in any way: Feel Flows, Long Promised Road, and The Trader. Truly phenomenal stuff, hands down. Other than that, he was a competent songwriter at best with occasional glimpses of something a little more than that (Angel Come Home, Heaven, Where I Belong, Like a Brother). By the late 70s his taste in music had become very stale it seems.
As far as production goes, I'd say the most remarkable things he did were 1.) holding together the Sunflower and Holland albums (making each a cohesive listening experience despite the "many cooks" involved), and 2.) the trademark overall sound and arrangement of Feel Flows. Also, I Can Hear Music, while not particularly inventive, does sound absolutely fantastic.
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Hey, "I Can hear Music" sounds great. The guy has some good productions to his name. Didn't Carl have a lot to do with the production on Surf's Up, albeit not being sole producer?
Carl wrote about 3-4 songs that are worth more than some bands entire discographies. Even if the guy wasn't churning out album after album of great material like Brian, doesn't that still count/matter?
You write "The Trader", produce "I Can Hear Music" and have dozens upon dozens of absolutely fantastic vocals to your name, you're good in my book. I'm not gonna see a need to slight your work in comparison to two of your peers, one of whom was one of the greatest and most prolific pop songwriters ever (*ahem*), yer doin' fine, Jim.
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I think "Where I Belong" falls into "great" status - the melody, lyrics, Carl's vocal, even the production. And, in my opinion, "Livin' With A Heartache" is a very good, almost great song. With the possible exception of "Goin' On", it might be the best song on Keepin' The Summer Alive.
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Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
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Quote from: Brian Wilson on June 23, 2013, 06:13:53 AM
Hey, "I Can hear Music" sounds great. The guy has some good productions to his name. Didn't Carl have a lot to do with the production on Surf's Up, albeit not being sole producer?
Carl wrote about 3-4 songs that are worth more than some bands entire discographies. Even if the guy wasn't churning out album after album of great material like Brian, doesn't that still count/matter?
You write "The Trader", produce "I Can Hear Music" and have dozens upon dozens of absolutely fantastic vocals to your name, you're good in my book. I'm not gonna see a need to slight your work in comparison to two of your peers, one of whom was one of the greatest and most prolific pop songwriters ever (*ahem*), yer doin' fine, Jim.
Since this thread is for unpopular opinions, I might as well put this one out there: Trader may be the weakest track on Holland - well, next to Beaks of Eagles. Never really liked it - the overly affected vocal, the lyrics. Music is solid though.
Carl's production skills were obviously first rate although he only had a brief song writing spurt of any significance. Feel Flows was definitley a "spurt." In more ways than one!
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Quote from: Sheriff John Stone on June 23, 2013, 06:26:51 AM
I think "Where I Belong" falls into "great" status - the melody, lyrics, Carl's vocal, even the production. And, in my opinion, "Livin' With A Heartache" is a very good, almost great song. With the possible exception of "Goin' On", it might be the best song on Keepin' The Summer Alive.
Agree with all points there, although I'd say both of Carl's KTSA songs trump Goin' On.
And there aint nothing over-rated about Long Promised Road, Feel Flows or Trader. All three of those are
amazing
songs, really brilliantly crafted works.
Whilst highlighting Carl's numerous merits let's also remember his substantial contribution in keeping their live shows on a level few other bands could ever hope to match, at least until Endless Summer derailed his forward-thinking ambitions.
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Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
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Hey, "I Can hear Music" sounds great. The guy has some good productions to his name. Didn't Carl have a lot to do with the production on Surf's Up, albeit not being sole producer?
Carl wrote about 3-4 songs that are worth more than some bands entire discographies. Even if the guy wasn't churning out album after album of great material like Brian, doesn't that still count/matter?
You write "The Trader", produce "I Can Hear Music" and have dozens upon dozens of absolutely fantastic vocals to your name, you're good in my book. I'm not gonna see a need to slight your work in comparison to two of your peers, one of whom was one of the greatest and most prolific pop songwriters ever (*ahem*), yer doin' fine, Jim.
Since this thread is for unpopular opinions, I might as well put this one out there: Trader may be the weakest track on Holland - well, next to Beaks of Eagles. Never really liked it - the overly affected vocal, the lyrics. Music is solid though.
Carl's production skills were obviously first rate although he only had a brief song writing spurt of any significance. Feel Flows was definitley a "spurt." In more ways than one!
I love the everything about song, especially the lyric. A song about Manifest Destiny, or more pre-Manifest Destiny and the toll it took on Native Americans. Second part is more about coming to terms with all happened since and moving forward in a more natural way. I found the song very poetic. Probably Rieley's best work with The Beach Boys.
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Quote from: Brian Wilson on June 23, 2013, 06:13:53 AM
Hey, "I Can hear Music" sounds great. The guy has some good productions to his name. Didn't Carl have a lot to do with the production on Surf's Up, albeit not being sole producer?
Carl wrote about 3-4 songs that are worth more than some bands entire discographies. Even if the guy wasn't churning out album after album of great material like Brian, doesn't that still count/matter?
You write "The Trader", produce "I Can Hear Music" and have dozens upon dozens of absolutely fantastic vocals to your name, you're good in my book. I'm not gonna see a need to slight your work in comparison to two of your peers, one of whom was one of the greatest and most prolific pop songwriters ever (*ahem*), yer doin' fine, Jim.
I find Carl's production sound rather bland.
I've never really found "I Can Hear Music" all that exciting
Regarding his songs, I love Long Promised Road and The Trader, er....that's about it isn't it?
And only a lunatic would say Carl didn't have a beautiful, and powerful voice (with a few exceptions)
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Quote from: (Stephen Newcombe) on June 23, 2013, 08:23:28 AM
Quote from: Brian Wilson on June 23, 2013, 06:13:53 AM
Hey, "I Can hear Music" sounds great. The guy has some good productions to his name. Didn't Carl have a lot to do with the production on Surf's Up, albeit not being sole producer?
Carl wrote about 3-4 songs that are worth more than some bands entire discographies. Even if the guy wasn't churning out album after album of great material like Brian, doesn't that still count/matter?
You write "The Trader", produce "I Can Hear Music" and have dozens upon dozens of absolutely fantastic vocals to your name, you're good in my book. I'm not gonna see a need to slight your work in comparison to two of your peers, one of whom was one of the greatest and most prolific pop songwriters ever (*ahem*), yer doin' fine, Jim.
I find Carl's production sound rather bland.
I've never really found "I Can Hear Music" all that exciting
Regarding his songs, I love
Long Promised Road and The Trader, er....that's about it isn't it?
And only a lunatic would say Carl didn't have a beautiful, and powerful voice (with a few exceptions)
Er... Feel Flows? (which many (me included) consider his absolute crowning glory, and has many celeb fans - Jarvis Cocker, Super Furry Animals, Cameron Crowe, etc.)
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Also, didn't Carl co-write I Went To Sleep and Good Timin'? Why the instant assumption that Brian provided all the good stuff with these two gems?
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Yes to the second. I'm not aware of him helping with the first. That being said, he did cowrite Our Sweet Love with BW, which is a sorely unappreciated track.
Edit: I guess Carl did cowrite IWTS. Blow me down !
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