The Smiley Smile Message Board

Smiley Smile Stuff => General On Topic Discussions => Topic started by: Wrightfan on June 18, 2013, 03:34:34 PM



Title: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Wrightfan on June 18, 2013, 03:34:34 PM
Seen these on other forums. Figured I'd start one here. Don't try to kill each other ok?  :lol
-I've never heard Summer of Paradise but I have a hard time believing it's worse then Beach Boys 85. Aside from Getcha Back...dear god.
-I...kinda like I Just Got My Pay over Marcella.
-I like When Girls Get Together...but it is one of the weakest early 70's tracks for sure. Ditto Endless Summer.
-Love You is great...but there are some REALLY weak tracks on there.
-Speaking of that, Good Time is VERY underrated.
-As a Beach Boys album, M.I.U stinks...but I love it as an easy listening album (especially Come Go with Me)
-Mt. Vernon and Fairway is better without Jack Riley's narration.
-SMiLE's version of Wind Chimes is better then Smiley Smile's but Smiley's has a better tag.
-Little Pad is another VERY underrated song and the stereo version blew my mind!  :lol
-Sunflower is a CLOSE second to Pet Sounds. I may even consider it #1 but some songs are really bad (Got to Know the Woman especially)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mikie on June 18, 2013, 03:56:49 PM
Damn. Those are even more unpopular than the New York Mets!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: buddhahat on June 18, 2013, 04:12:16 PM
"Does anyone actually like that surf and cars sh*t they did before Pet Sounds?"

"Pacific Ocean Blue sounds like the soundtrack to a Michael Mann movie"

"If mike love had only stayed in rishikesh pumping gas and selling it to the Beatles, Brian might have been able to finish smile in time to play Monterey and change the course of musical history with his ahead of its time 3 movement prog opera."

"Carl's voice really grates."





Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Wirestone on June 18, 2013, 04:34:12 PM
Seen these on other forums. Figured I'd start one here. Don't try to kill each other ok?  :lol
-I've never heard Summer of Paradise but I have a hard time believing it's worse then Beach Boys 85. Aside from Getcha Back...dear god.
-I...kinda like I Just Got My Pay over Marcella.
-I like When Girls Get Together...but it is one of the weakest early 70's tracks for sure. Ditto Endless Summer.
-Love You is great...but there are some REALLY weak tracks on there.
-Speaking of that, Good Time is VERY underrated.
-As a Beach Boys album, M.I.U stinks...but I love it as an easy listening album (especially Come Go with Me)
-Mt. Vernon and Fairway is better without Jack Riley's narration.
-SMiLE's version of Wind Chimes is better then Smiley Smile's but Smiley's has a better tag.
-Little Pad is another VERY underrated song and the stereo version blew my mind!  :lol
-Sunflower is a CLOSE second to Pet Sounds. I may even consider it #1 but some songs are really bad (Got to Know the Woman especially)

I don't know if any one of those is actually an unpopular Beach Boys opinion. I think most members of the board would agree with you on most of those. Excepting the SIP one. And maybe IJGMP vs. Marcella ...


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: DonnyL on June 18, 2013, 04:56:02 PM
* SMILE is overrated, especially compared to Smiley (except 'Good Vibrations')

* Adult Child is a lost classic

* The greatest missing link in the Beach Boys story is the scrapped Manson recordings

* the stereo Pet Sounds is weird

* TWGMTR is a sham

* Keepin the Summer Alive is a masterpiece compared to anything that came after, except the Paley sessions

* The Beach Boys died in 1983

* Brian Wilson hasn't really produced an album since FRIENDS

* Brian Wilson hasn't really produced a track since 'Break Away'

* Brian Wilson cannot legitimately approve a stereo mix


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Moon Dawg on June 18, 2013, 05:17:44 PM
 Some  interesting postulations, DonnyL.

 Please elaborate on the stereo mix of PET SOUNDS being "weird." I've had the same feeling yet never managed to articulate it.

 I definitely believe Brian Wilson produced all those versions of "Shortenin' Bread", long after "Break Away."

 ***************************

 Carl Wilson's singing on parts of WILD HONEY verges on shrill.

 The studio version of "Funky Pretty" is a dud.

 L.A. (Light Album) would be a minor classic if just a couple of songs were deleted/added.

 "Student Demonstration Time" isn't half bad. It is rock & roll, at least.

"Please Let Me Wonder" is overrated.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: zatch on June 18, 2013, 05:34:04 PM
Gotta say, I actually like MIU. (Yeah, the whole album) Brian's voice sounds really good and young on it.

In fact, I'm willing to say that his high range didn't really change in tone at all until at least '79. Maybe it got a little bit more wobbly in pitch, but in tone I don't think his high range on, say, Love You, is any worse than it is Sunflower, for example. I think his midrange was what was first to take the plunge, and even that had corrected itself by MIU, because as I said, his leads are awesome on that.

Little Pad is my favourite Smiley Smile song (well, outside of H&V and Good Vibrations but they don't count).

I like John Stamos's lead on Forever on SIP (Definitely not even close to as good as Dennis' though)

Oh, and I like KTSA.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mahalo on June 18, 2013, 05:37:29 PM
Sunflower is boring.

Brian Wilson is great- but nonetheless over-rated and lazy...



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on June 18, 2013, 06:02:07 PM

I like John Stamos's lead on Forever on SIP (Definitely not even close to as good as Dennis' though)



I like Stamos' vocal, too. However, I never got the comparison with the lead vocals. The arrangements for both "Forever" versions are too different, and Dennis' and Stamos' voices aren't similar enough to compare. I know a lot of people don't like the SIP version of "Forever", but I think it contains one of the most emotional parts that Carl Wilson ever sang. Actually, the unpopularity of SIP also hides the fact that the album is one of Carl's finest - vocally, IMO of course.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: krabklaw on June 18, 2013, 06:22:42 PM
Don't care much for Dennis Wilson or his music.

Pet Sounds is better without Sloop John B.

TWGMTR is their best album since Surf's Up.

That Lucky Old Sun was pretty bad. Spoken word bits were an embarrassment.

Dance Dance Dance is one of their greatest records.



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: MBE on June 18, 2013, 06:27:32 PM
I agree with 85 being pretty close to SIP except Getcha Back
Good Time is underrated
MIU is a good mor background LP
I agree the Smile Wind Chimes is better except for the tag
Little Pad is cool
Sunflower is right at the top for me, but Got To Know The Woman is hardly the weakest moment. Not even close.
Adult Child is not a lost classic, but I like it way more than Love You

Stereo Pet Sounds isn't "weird" just not needed.

The Beach Boys died in 1983 is true in a way

Brian has produced LP's since Friends, and 45's since Break Away, but they do mark the end of his total leadership.

The stereo thing is pretty true, Brian told me that himself. He likes some of the results as far how well he can hear them, but can't tell stereo from mono.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: MBE on June 18, 2013, 06:29:12 PM
Don't care much for Dennis Wilson or his music.

Pet Sounds is better without Sloop John B.

TWGMTR is their best album since Surf's Up.

That Lucky Old Sun was pretty bad. Spoken word bits were an embarrassment.

Dance Dance Dance is one of their greatest records.


TWGMTR is my favorite group LP since Holland. TLOS is really good but the spoken parts....not so much. Dance x 3 is a great record.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: rab2591 on June 18, 2013, 06:30:21 PM
Gotta say, I actually like MIU. (Yeah, the whole album) Brian's voice sounds really good and young on it.


Glad to see there are more and more here who like this album. I think it's a pretty good, very unappreciated album.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: zatch on June 18, 2013, 06:36:40 PM
Stereo Pet Sounds isn't "weird" just not needed.
I guess it must be a result of my growing up in a stereo-oriented world, but I much prefer the stereo mix to the mono mix.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 18, 2013, 06:53:41 PM
^Same here.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: EgoHanger1966 on June 18, 2013, 07:04:10 PM
Thirded. Though, I don't always prefer a stereo mix just because it's in stereo. PS in mono (on a decent system) is muddy and dull. Plus, the Everly Bros tape bleedthrough on IWFTD and the chatter on Here Today seal the deal....


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mahalo on June 18, 2013, 07:09:57 PM
^Same here.


After years of deliberation I decided the mono is the one for me- listen to IJWMFTT at .05 seconds in on mono and you hear a strange organ wash type sound... it is nowhere to be found on stereo...the bass sucks on LGAFA, obviously BW's double tracked vocal is missing on YSBIM, and all the background chatter adds to the feel of the music IMO...

All well, not to derail this thread, I will say-

Dennis' vocal kinda sucks on In the Back of My Mind, and Brian's decision to have him sing the lead to that is worse...imagine the possibilities of the harmonies over the bridge section, a Carl lead vocal, the guys trading off parts...such a great song and a blah kinda vocal line...


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: oldsurferdude on June 18, 2013, 07:11:50 PM
Fourthed-PS came alive in 1996.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Wirestone on June 18, 2013, 07:15:36 PM
I guess my truly unpopular opinions are as follows --

Brian Wilson related

-- Brian is much more in control of his solo career than the doubters believe.
-- Brian manipulates Melinda (into doing his dirty work) far more than the other way around
-- Brian's production and writing credits post-1980 are generally deserved and appropriate (not saying they always are, just in the main)
-- GIOMH is a truly solid record
-- Joe Thomas is one of Brian's best recent songwriting collaborators
-- Jeff does a consistently nice job on the falsetto parts

Beach Boys related

-- The single version of HMR is one of the best things they ever did
-- Break Away does not sound like hit
-- Lots of Pet Sounds just sounds too alike for my tastes
-- I really dig many of the 15BO arrangements and vocals. They're nutty, but in a fun way.
-- Carl had approximately two good songs in him.
-- Dennis had a couple more.
-- Al has -- at the present time -- more of an idea of how to make a classic-sounding Beach Boys record than any other member of the band. Postcards just sounds right.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: zatch on June 18, 2013, 07:53:33 PM
Thirded. Though, I don't always prefer a stereo mix just because it's in stereo. PS in mono (on a decent system) is muddy and dull.
Exactly, there are some really terrible stereo mixes and really good mono mixes, but in PS' case this is certainly the opposite.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: zatch on June 18, 2013, 08:02:34 PM
Thirded. Though, I don't always prefer a stereo mix just because it's in stereo. PS in mono (on a decent system) is muddy and dull. Plus, the Everly Bros tape bleedthrough on IWFTD and the chatter on Here Today seal the deal....

Everly Bleedthrough? Where's that?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Bicyclerider on June 18, 2013, 08:13:15 PM
Fan opinions and ratings of songs and albums seem to rise and fall cyclically, what was undisputed truth ten years ago is now "disproved."

So some Now unpopular opinions:

Mike had much to do with Smile's demise.

Sound of Free was Mike's last good lyric.

I agree that Al has a better sense of what makes a Beach Boys sounding record than anyone in the group - and he proved that on MIU.  But unlike Carl or Brian or Dennis, Al's production is always derivative rather than innovative.

The stereo mix of Pet Sounds is a better way to appreciate Brian's production genius than the rushed, muddy, mistake filled mono mix.

The Al produced Cottonfields single is markedly inferior to Brian's 20/20 version.

Disney Girls is way overrated - it's just as schlocky as Bruce's other songs.








Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Wrightfan on June 18, 2013, 08:16:47 PM
Damn. Those are even more unpopular than the New York Mets!

They won a doubleheader today  :P


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gabo on June 18, 2013, 08:30:28 PM
Some unpopular opinions of mine:

Dennis wasn't as good a songwriter as many Beach Boys fans make him out to be.
Ricky and Blondie did not make meaningful contributions to the group, at all.
On that note, Holland is a bad album. Not because it's incompetent, but because it is boring.
Love You is the best Beach Boys album after Pet Sounds.
Pet Sounds, though, is the only essential Beach Boys LP.
Beach Boy music is actually good for the beach, barbeques, and cruises.



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: EgoHanger1966 on June 18, 2013, 08:40:03 PM
Thirded. Though, I don't always prefer a stereo mix just because it's in stereo. PS in mono (on a decent system) is muddy and dull. Plus, the Everly Bros tape bleedthrough on IWFTD and the chatter on Here Today seal the deal....

Everly Bleedthrough? Where's that?

The mono mix of I'm Waiting For The Day has faint sounds of The Everly Brothers' "(You Got) The Power Of Love" - you can mainly hear it in the first verse. This is not present on the stereo remix at all. Must have been the tape they used for the mono mixdown.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 18, 2013, 08:56:10 PM
Quote
Dennis' vocal kinda sucks on In the Back of My Mind, and Brian's decision to have him sing the lead to that is worse...imagine the possibilities of the harmonies over the bridge section, a Carl lead vocal, the guys trading off parts...such a great song and a blah kinda vocal line...

Hell yeah. Honestly...I feel it is a great production of a poorly written song. Dennis's vocals aren't bad, but the melody itself is IMHO one of the weakest of Brian's career.

Here are mine...

-Don't Hurt My Little Sister sucks . Out of every song the Beach Boys ever recorded, this is the only song I have barely one positive thing to say about. It sounds unfinished, and I think if anybody else had sung it, others would hate it as much as I do.

- I love every Beach Boys album from All Summer Long onwards until Still Cruisin...except LA Light.

-I love Brian's voice through all of the stages. That said, I prefer his voice from 1966 onwards to what came before, even the mid-70s era. Sometimes, especially so.

- No secret that Friends and 20/20 are my favorite BB albums. What few know is I prefer MIU to Today.

- I think Carl's vocals from 1976-1980 are generally terrible with a few exceptions.

- Pet Sounds is a great album, but I'd rather listen to Friends, 20/20, Wild Honey, Sunflower, So Tough, Holland, and Surf's Up. I still feel it's one of the greatest albums of all time, but I have to be in the right mood to listen to it.

-Everybody Wants to Live is one of my favorite Brian songs.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: EgoHanger1966 on June 18, 2013, 09:00:48 PM
Can't stand Dennis' vocals post-CATP.
Can barely get through LA Light. I like Good Timin, Lynda, and Sumahama....that's it.
BB'85 for me is one of their most solid albums.
Love You is severely overrated on this board.
Wish Break Away was on Sunflower.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gertie J. on June 18, 2013, 09:06:45 PM
Love You is severely overrated on this board.

what about the night was so young? dontcha like it?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SenorPotatoHead on June 18, 2013, 09:09:16 PM
I like Marcella, but I Just Got My Pay is way cooler and is the betterest of the two - not everybody knows a Marcella who also happens to be a stripper masseuse, but anybody can relate to just getting their pay from the crappy job they slave at.  

Pet Sounds is not the greatest album ever made, it's only one of the greatest on a list of many many many other albums.   The album cover too, though now iconic, is crap and does not serve the music on the record at all.

Dennis Wilson should have written more uptempo/rocking out tunes (but not like Got To Know The Woman) and cut down a bit on the over-emotive ballads (though many are indeed works of transcendent beauty).  

Surfer Girl is a better over all album than All Summer Long.  Every track on it is good and enjoyable, it has a decent flow, and it epitomizes the band in a more sincere way than ASL does (though ASL does contain some classic tracks)

Sunflower is so overrated it's really amazing.    It's wonderfully produced, but the flow stinks and there's really only a handful of truly excellent material.  

Carl and The Passions needs to get more love.   It has no flow, but each of the songs are really good.  It was also the first album since Smile collapsed where they did not hook the album to a Smile relic.  This is the band for the first time standing as their own completely (albeit with some amount of participation by Brian).  

I want Smiley Smile to be played at my funeral ....followed by Friends - which really is one of the best pop albums ever made anywhere in any lifetime by anyone.
Two nice, short, sweet and wildly different albums to send this potato off into the mystery........



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: zatch on June 18, 2013, 09:18:53 PM
Just remembered another of mine: Leaving this Town is the best song on Holland, and the bonus material is boring (Mt. Vernon and friends)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: sockittome on June 18, 2013, 09:36:13 PM
Here are a few of mine and let me state in advance, --Just sayin'--

With the exception of three songs, Smiley Smile sounds totally amateurish.

None of the albums after Surf's Up is worth writing home about.

I'll take Student Demo Time over Take a Load Off or Don't Go Near the Water any day.

Bluebirds is a goofy song, but I'll take it over All I Want to Do.

Got to Know the Woman ain't half bad.  Better than roughly half of Dennis' weepy ballads.

Brian killed SMiLE, not Mike.

And yes, I spell it SMiLE.  Deal!



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: clack on June 18, 2013, 09:45:14 PM
The Love/Melcher songwriting team came up with some catchy tunes.

Mike Love and Al Jardine were the only Beach Boys to fulfill their potential. Brian, Carl, Dennis, and Bruce, all in their different ways, blew it.

Jack Rieiey's vocal on 'A Day in the Life of a Tree' enhances the song.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Patrick Bateman on June 18, 2013, 09:57:00 PM
So...

I think Friends is incredibly overrated. I like "Diamond Head" a lot, and the title track is nice, but over the years I've just lost my love for it. I used to really dig it.

I think Dennis wrote a few really awesome songs, but overall I don't think he's an incredible talent.

The 1971 "Surf's Up" is by far my favorite version of the song, with the 1967 version from the Wild Honey era coming in second.

I don't understand why That Lucky Old Sun is looked at as such a great work for Brian. I really don't care for most of it. Maybe one day I'll get it.

Joe Thomas produces the best modern day Brian vocals, and I'm personally happy Brian's continuing to work with him, since Brian's forte is vocals (along with songwriting).

I think Bruce is pretty lame overall, and don't like many of his songs, but for some reason I kinda like "Slow Summer Dancing (One Summer Night)".

I also think the "contemporary" stuff on Still Cruisin' is pretty great, besides "Wipe Out". I really love "Make It Big", "Still Cruisin'", "Island Girl", etc.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: joshferrell on June 18, 2013, 10:03:01 PM
1. Charles Manson should have taken Brian's place in the late 60's on tour then the murders would have never happened.
2.Brian should have produced some of Elvis' movie soundtracks like "Girls, girls, girls" etc
3.Dennis faked his death
4.Brian's next cd is going to be a full fledged Christian rock cd
5."Good vibrations" should have had a part 2 on the flip side.
6. the H&V single should have been parts 1 and 2 but the length should have been 10 minutes per side.
7.Murry Wilson tried to "Knock off" Jan Berry, hence his car wreck
8.they had a long lost brother named Gummo and a sister who was kept tied up in the basement and is still there till this day.
9.Brian and Spector should have done a duet album together back in the 90's
10. "Oh yeah" and "Fig plucker" are their best songs out of all of them
11."Kokomo" should have been a bigger hit
12. Al Jardine is the true genius of the group.
13.Bruce Johnston should have given them "I write the songs" to record
14. "The many moods of Murry Wilson" should have had the beach boys name and voices on it.
15. "Love You" should have been titled "Hate You".
16.MIU is too good to have the beach boys name on it.
17. keeping the summer alive should have had a photo of the band giving someone CPR/ Heart Shock on the cover
18.Everybody want's to live for the most part but life is for the living only for few people
19.Fun Fun Fun should be about sex and having the bed being taken away.
20.the beach boys next cd should be all rap...


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: wantsomecorn on June 18, 2013, 10:08:37 PM
If you include stuff from that time period in the vaults, you can make every single album far more listenable, especially from the 15BO - KTSA era.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Pretty Funky on June 18, 2013, 10:59:33 PM
Can't stand Dennis' vocals post-CATP.

His leads on Light Album were about my limit. I'll never own POB or Bambu.

and C50 related.

Line-up aside. The tour was the most professional of the bands career.

Not one group statement, press release, interview or appearance gave any indication it was going to last.

TWGMTR was better suited to Barry Manilow. More Bruce than Brian.

A decent lyric first time on IIT and a push from Capitol may have reaped rewards.


Cool thread. Will add some more later maybe. ;)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mendota Heights on June 18, 2013, 11:09:26 PM
- Pet Sounds is utterly bland and boring at best. Totally overrated.
- Surf's Up is the last really good song Brian wrote, then it was downhill from there
- I hate Brian's Shortening Bread songs
- Dennis should have been the band's musical leader post-1973, POB sounding music instead of MIU and LA
- I don't understand why they lost the ability to write songs >80's. Even I can come up with better songs (my opinion)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: krabklaw on June 18, 2013, 11:15:27 PM
- Pet Sounds is utterly bland and boring at best. Totally overrated.

Congratulations! You win for posting THE most unpopular Beach Boys opinion yet! :-D


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mendota Heights on June 18, 2013, 11:23:48 PM
- Pet Sounds is utterly bland and boring at best. Totally overrated.

Congratulations! You win for posting THE most unpopular Beach Boys opinion yet! :-D

Do I win a copy of Pet Sounds? :)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 18, 2013, 11:25:04 PM
Seen these on other forums. Figured I'd start one here. Don't try to kill each other ok?  :lol
-I've never heard Summer of Paradise but I have a hard time believing it's worse then Beach Boys 85. Aside from Getcha Back...dear god.
-I...kinda like I Just Got My Pay over Marcella.
-I like When Girls Get Together...but it is one of the weakest early 70's tracks for sure. Ditto Endless Summer.
-Love You is great...but there are some REALLY weak tracks on there.
-Speaking of that, Good Time is VERY underrated.
-As a Beach Boys album, M.I.U stinks...but I love it as an easy listening album (especially Come Go with Me)
-Mt. Vernon and Fairway is better without Jack Riley's narration.
-SMiLE's version of Wind Chimes is better then Smiley Smile's but Smiley's has a better tag.
-Little Pad is another VERY underrated song and the stereo version blew my mind!  :lol
-Sunflower is a CLOSE second to Pet Sounds. I may even consider it #1 but some songs are really bad (Got to Know the Woman especially)

I don't know if any one of those is actually an unpopular Beach Boys opinion. I think most members of the board would agree with you on most of those. Excepting the SIP one. And maybe IJGMP vs. Marcella ...

Well...
Got To Know The Woman is bloody fantastic - you hear me: it's fantastic!;
I don't think Mt. Vernon is better without Jack Rieley's narration, his speaking voice works brilliantly throughout and the musical interludes still get plenty of opportunity to shine;
I Just Got My Pay is vastly inferior to Marcella - IJGMP is a throwaway but fun ditty, Marcella is a well-crafted pop/rock gem with a superb fade;
Summer In Paradise likewise is vastly inferior to Beach Boys '85 - in fact, Beach Boys '85 is often very good, especially Where I Belong which is criminally under-rated;
When Girls Get Together is a sack of crap.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on June 18, 2013, 11:27:55 PM
-Don't Hurt My Little Sister sucks . Out of every song the Beach Boys ever recorded, this is the only song I have barely one positive thing to say about. It sounds unfinished, and I think if anybody else had sung it, others would hate it as much as I do.

I can't believe I just read that. :o


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: metal flake paint on June 18, 2013, 11:36:25 PM
Surf's Up 1971 > any other version of same.
Transcendental Meditation is the perfect track to close side 2 of the Friends LP.



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on June 18, 2013, 11:38:42 PM
They made better albums than Pet Sounds. Why 99.9% of the band's acclaim rests on this one album (and it's scrapped followup) is a mystery to me.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Wirestone on June 18, 2013, 11:47:00 PM
They made better albums than Pet Sounds. Why 99.9% of the band's acclaim rests on this one album (and it's scrapped followup) is a mystery to me.

I don't know about better, but certainly equal to it. And a couple feature individual songs better than any single Pet Sounds track ...


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Wirestone on June 18, 2013, 11:49:07 PM
If you include stuff from that time period in the vaults, you can make every single album far more listenable, especially from the 15BO - KTSA era.

YES


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 18, 2013, 11:49:14 PM
Bruce is a lazy, talent-light jerk.
He's written one and a half good songs in fifty years (Disney Girls and Deirdre), otherwise it's all schmaltzy sappy gloop.

Let's look back through his history with the band...

He was with the Beach Boys for four years, presumably - you would imagine - itching to contribute a song or two. And when the opportunity duly arose on 20/20 what did we get? Some elevator musak and a sh*t cover version.
He then ruined Sunflower with the eternally atrocious Tears In The Morning, an overlong, boring, corny turd amongst a sea of pop perfection.
Then when the forward-thinking Jack Rieley became their manager - recruiting two South Africans to the band line-up - a genius move! - and restoring the group's reputation in the process - what did Bruce do? He quit. Because, you know, never mind that it was the early seventies and the band had to be cool and relevant to be popular - Bruce just wanted to carry on singing his sentimental vomit-inducing cheese-fests.
He then wrote I Write The Songs. No further comment required.
He then returned to the group, just in time to ruin L.A. Light Album with a soul-destroyingly awful disco remake of HCTN, thus ruining both their new album and the memory of the terrific Wild Honey original in the process.
He then inserted his head up the anus of Mike Love, where it has remained ever since. He removes it only occasionally, usually so he can stand around doing hand claps on stage, or so he can spout unpleasant right-wing rich-boy nastiness, or so he can slag off Friends and make history-rewriting selective-memory comments re Smile (Bruce ten years ago: ''Brian had us crawling around on our hands and knees. It was all so fucking embarrassing'').
  


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on June 18, 2013, 11:57:03 PM
Here's one that is unpopular on this site -

"Brian Wilson is the Beach Boys and the others are just his messengers"

Here's another one that ain't really liked much round these parts

"Mike Love, despite having a few saving graces, is actually quite an unpleasant individual"

(Not that these are my opinions of course.  :angel:)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on June 19, 2013, 12:05:59 AM
Bruce is a lazy, talent-light jerk.
He's written one and a half good songs in fifty years (Disney Girls and Deirdre), otherwise it's all schmaltzy sappy gloop.

Let's look back through his history with the band...

He was with the Beach Boys for four years, presumably - you would imagine - itching to contribute a song or two. And when the opportunity duly arose on 20/20 what did we get? Some elevator musak and a sh*t cover version.
He then ruined Sunflower with the eternally atrocious Tears In The Morning, an overlong, boring, corny turd amongst a sea of pop perfection.
Then when the forward-thinking Jack Rieley became their manager - recruiting two South Africans to the band line-up - a genius move! - and restoring the group's reputation in the process - what did Bruce do? He quit. Because, you know, never mind that it was the early seventies and the band had to be cool and relevant to be popular - Bruce just wanted to carry on singing his sentimental vomit-inducing cheese-fests.
He then wrote I Write The Songs. No further comment required.
He then returned to the group, just in time to ruin L.A. Light Album with a soul-destroyingly awful disco remake of HCTN, thus ruining both their new album and the memory of the terrific Wild Honey original in the process.
He then inserted his head up the anus of Mike Love, where it has remained ever since. He removes it only occasionally, usually so he can stand around doing hand claps on stage, or so he can spout unpleasant right-wing rich-boy nastiness, or so he can slag off Friends and make history-rewriting selective-memory comments re Smile (Bruce ten years ago: ''Brian had us crawling around on our hands and knees. It was all so fucking embarrassing'').
  

Oh dear, and I've got you "Goin' Solo" for your birthday. Oops

edit

I of course mean "Goin' Pubic"


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: ThyRavenAscend on June 19, 2013, 12:36:18 AM
My unpopular opinions:

*** The Beach Boys' a capella studio recordings don't sound very good (mostly because Brian is mixed in too loudly).

*** I could take-or-leave the instrumentals on Pet Sounds and (gasp!) "Caroline, No".

*** Much of Wild Honey sounds empty and incomplete ("Here Comes the Night", "A Thing of Two", "Aren't You Glad"), and thus not as enjoyable as it easily could have been.

*** Pacific Ocean Blue / Bambu mostly sound like a guy wallowing in a bar (in a not-very-good way).

*** M.I.U. is a terrific album, nearly perfect (minus the mediocre "Peggy Sue" cover and atrocious Mike Love "Belles of Paris" contribution).  It seems more childlike of Brian and endearing to me than Love You.

*** Both Holland and Love You are overrated.  (Seriously, I don't get the obsession with the former; maybe I'll understand someday.)

*** Carl's "gruff" voice is annoying ("You Need a Mess of Help", "Marcella", others)--sounds kinda like a frog.

*** The Beach Boys' use of rockin' guitar is super annoying most of the time--sounds like they are trying desperately to sound cool ("Bluebirds over the Mountain", "All I Want to Do", "Student Demonstration Time", others--"It's About Time" is their only success at this style of guitar).


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Eric Aniversario on June 19, 2013, 12:47:36 AM
Here are some that I've expressed overt the years, and also some new ones.

Island fever could have been a hit if promoted well, and if it had been the second single off of SIP.

LA was the best studio album of the 70s, followed by Carl and the passions, then sunflower, then surfs up, love you, Holland, miu, 15bo.

 I'm not a big fan of "cry" on the imagination album, but I love "sunshine" from the same album.

"Shelter" sounds like it has nothing to do with the beach boys, and should have been on a Brian solo album.

I love summer in paradise! For years it was in my top 10 bb albums, and although it no longer is, I still enjoy it, particularly hot fun in the summertime.

Still cruisin is one of my favorite songs to hear in the car, I never grow tired of it.

I like a lot of the tracks that Mike's band Celebration did, even the ones that had no beach boy involvement.

Pacific ocean blue is far far better than bambu would ever have been, even if it had been completed.

The single version of its ok is 10000x more enjoyable than the album version. Ditto the single version of rock and roll music.



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on June 19, 2013, 01:57:34 AM
Mike had much to do with Smile's demise.

Sound of Free was Mike's last good lyric.

I agree that Al has a better sense of what makes a Beach Boys sounding record than anyone in the group - and he proved that on MIU.  But unlike Carl or Brian or Dennis, Al's production is always derivative rather than innovative.

The stereo mix of Pet Sounds is a better way to appreciate Brian's production genius than the rushed, muddy, mistake filled mono mix.

The Al produced Cottonfields single is markedly inferior to Brian's 20/20 version.

Disney Girls is way overrated - it's just as schlocky as Bruce's other songs.

No, maybe, maybe, no, no, yes.



Gotta say, I actually like MIU. (Yeah, the whole album) Brian's voice sounds really good and young on it.


Glad to see there are more and more here who like this album. I think it's a pretty good, very unappreciated album.

I like half of MIU better than any other post-Sunflower 70s BBs songs.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: shelter on June 19, 2013, 02:40:12 AM
Although they had a few really good songs, The Beach Boys didn't become a truely great band until 1965.

All their car songs suck.

A compilation of Dennis's Beach Boys songs would kick POB's ass very, very hard.

That Lucky Old Sun and That's Why God Made The Radio are among the ten best albums that The Beach Boys and Brian Wilson ever made.

Tears in the Morning, Deirdre and Disney Girls are really good songs.

Sunflower is the best Beach Boys album.

If Mike hated Dennis's guts, you can't really blame him.

Girl Don't Tell Me, California Girls and Summer Means New Love are the only songs on Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!) that are really good.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on June 19, 2013, 02:52:56 AM
The Beach Boys should have split up after Friends.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Pretty Funky on June 19, 2013, 02:58:53 AM
Bruce is a lazy, talent-light jerk.
He's written one and a half good songs in fifty years (Disney Girls and Deirdre), otherwise it's all schmaltzy sappy gloop.

Let's look back through his history with the band...

He was with the Beach Boys for four years, presumably - you would imagine - itching to contribute a song or two. And when the opportunity duly arose on 20/20 what did we get? Some elevator musak and a sh*t cover version.
He then ruined Sunflower with the eternally atrocious Tears In The Morning, an overlong, boring, corny turd amongst a sea of pop perfection.
Then when the forward-thinking Jack Rieley became their manager - recruiting two South Africans to the band line-up - a genius move! - and restoring the group's reputation in the process - what did Bruce do? He quit. Because, you know, never mind that it was the early seventies and the band had to be cool and relevant to be popular - Bruce just wanted to carry on singing his sentimental vomit-inducing cheese-fests.
He then wrote I Write The Songs. No further comment required.
He then returned to the group, just in time to ruin L.A. Light Album with a soul-destroyingly awful disco remake of HCTN, thus ruining both their new album and the memory of the terrific Wild Honey original in the process.
He then inserted his head up the anus of Mike Love, where it has remained ever since. He removes it only occasionally, usually so he can stand around doing hand claps on stage, or so he can spout unpleasant right-wing rich-boy nastiness, or so he can slag off Friends and make history-rewriting selective-memory comments re Smile (Bruce ten years ago: ''Brian had us crawling around on our hands and knees. It was all so fucking embarrassing'').
  

Oh dear, and I've got you "Goin' Solo" for your birthday. Oops

edit

I of course mean "Goin' Pubic"

Goin Pubic....Never heard of that one. Brazilian release is it? ;)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Youre Under Arrest on June 19, 2013, 03:05:38 AM
"Got To Know The Woman" is a great song. It's really fun and fits the mood of the album.

"Funky Pretty" gets really boring with the outro tag and the little electronic beeps are irritating.

The last two songs on "Friends" are really poor.

The spoken word part of the California Saga is fantastic. It adds to the mystique and wonder of the trilogy and really sets a tone of Big Sur and California.

Carl And The Passions- So Tough is a really good album. The songs are really amazing.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: phirnis on June 19, 2013, 03:14:29 AM
Absolutely love the Light Album.

In no way is Love You "overrated" by anyone. :)

I like "Lahaina Aloha" much better than most of the songs on TWGMTR, even though that's a very decent album.

Big fan of "Bill and Sue".

I really enjoy the overall production of 15 Big Ones and think the only real weak spots are Alan and Mike's originals.

Wouldn't change a single thing about the overall sound of Wild Honey. Near-perfect album.

I like most of the group's 80s singles and really enjoyed the somewhat frequent discussions about that material on the Male Ego board.

CATP and Holland are both fantastic but I find it perfectly reasonable Blondie and Ricky weren't part of the C50 reunion. They should've guested occasionally, though.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mendota Heights on June 19, 2013, 04:07:39 AM
Brian Wilson's first solo album is HORRIBLE.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: TimmyC on June 19, 2013, 06:40:56 AM
Seen these on other forums. Figured I'd start one here. Don't try to kill each other ok?  :lol
-I've never heard Summer of Paradise but I have a hard time believing it's worse then Beach Boys 85. Aside from Getcha Back...dear god.
-I...kinda like I Just Got My Pay over Marcella.
-I like When Girls Get Together...but it is one of the weakest early 70's tracks for sure. Ditto Endless Summer.
-Love You is great...but there are some REALLY weak tracks on there.
-Speaking of that, Good Time is VERY underrated.
-As a Beach Boys album, M.I.U stinks...but I love it as an easy listening album (especially Come Go with Me)
-Mt. Vernon and Fairway is better without Jack Riley's narration.
-SMiLE's version of Wind Chimes is better then Smiley Smile's but Smiley's has a better tag.
-Little Pad is another VERY underrated song and the stereo version blew my mind!  :lol
-Sunflower is a CLOSE second to Pet Sounds. I may even consider it #1 but some songs are really bad (Got to Know the Woman especially)

I love the idea of this thread, but those statements don't strike me as Beach Boy "hot button" issues... they don't seem to be things that people would have passionate beliefs about, although I haven't read the rest of the comments yet, so maybe I'm wrong...


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: TimmyC on June 19, 2013, 07:14:45 AM

Mike had much to do with Smile's demise.


First of all - I have to say this is the coolest thread I've seen on here in a while! GREAT IDEA!!

Second - Bicyclerider - you must be joking! I find it to be an EXTREMELY POPULAR view that Mike was the MAIN reason behind the demise of Smile. Have you seen the Beautiful Dreamer doc? Mike is really the only SUBSTANTIVE reason that is given for why Smile wasn't finished, aside from some vague references to Brian starting to get paranoid, and a very quick reference to the lawsuit against Capitol. I just could not disagree with you more. I think what's unpopular is to suggest that Mike Love was NOT the primary reason for Smile's demise, and in fact had more to do with Brian's drug use, lack of focus, and simple inability to realize his vision.

Third - some of my unpopular opinions:

-Summer in Paradise is very enjoyable and has at least two classics on it
-KTSA is GREAT
-BB 85 is awful
-MIU is awful
-Holland blows
-Problem child is fantastic
-Beaches in Mind is fantastic
-Mike Love is NOT the reason Smile fell apart.
-Blondie Chaplin and Ricky Fataar are an interesting footnote in the BBs history, nothing more. And their songs sucked.
-Brian Wilson Presents Smile is horrible. Just horrible.

I'll leave it at that!!  ;D



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Bicyclerider on June 19, 2013, 07:16:40 AM
Here are a few of mine and let me state in advance, --Just sayin'--

With the exception of three songs, Smiley Smile sounds totally amateurish.

None of the albums after Surf's Up is worth writing home about.

I'll take Student Demo Time over Take a Load Off or Don't Go Near the Water any day.

Bluebirds is a goofy song, but I'll take it over All I Want to Do.

Got to Know the Woman ain't half bad.  Better than roughly half of Dennis' weepy ballads.

Brian killed SMiLE, not Mike.

And yes, I spell it SMiLE.  Deal!



That Brian killed Smile and not Mike is now the PARTY LINE around these parts.  Better look further for an unpopular opnion!  :)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on June 19, 2013, 07:34:52 AM
-Mike Love is NOT the reason Smile fell apart.

But wasn't it Mike who said to Brian, when that building burned down across the street, "Now look what you've done with recording that crazy fire music? This wouldn't have happened if you had written some new surf songs with me!" And didn't Mike tell Brian that this journalist's girlfriend was a witch who's doing mindf*cks with him? Or do I mix something up? :o


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Ovi on June 19, 2013, 08:13:33 AM
-Everybody Wants to Live is one of my favorite Brian songs.

That Lucky Old Sun and That's Why God Made The Radio are among the ten best albums that The Beach Boys and Brian Wilson ever made.

Yes and yes!

- 'Summer's Gone' is one of the most beautiful, emotional and breathtaking Beach Boys songs ever recorded.

- Al Jardine's voice is my least favourite one in the group (aside Bruce's) because I think it lacks personality/a uniqueness of its own.

- Carl and The Passions is a big favourite of mine and my most played BB record.



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: hypehat on June 19, 2013, 08:19:29 AM
* The greatest missing link in the Beach Boys story is the scrapped Manson recordings


Eh? That'd be like saying the greatest missing link in The Beach Boys story is Teeter Totter Love, or A World Of Peace Must Come, but I guess those have been released....


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Wirestone on June 19, 2013, 08:30:37 AM
Dennis frankly sounds a little sociopathic.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SMiLE Brian on June 19, 2013, 08:33:27 AM
The 1970-1973 period isn't as great as it made out to be.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: hypehat on June 19, 2013, 08:43:11 AM
Anyway, I wonder....

When they're good, The Beach Boys are one of my favourite bands of all time. The songs, production, etc, peerless. Amazing. However, when they're bad, The Beach Boys are simultaneously the worst band I've ever heard, absolutely dreadful - They've really made terrible, gutwrenching crap, especially when you factor in boots.

Of course, this kind of makes me love them more, but still. They've done absolutely abominable things.... especially Brian.

I really dislike I Know There's An Answer/Hang On To Your Ego, the banjo break is the sole redeeming feature.

I like Brian's voice in the 90's - Paley, OCA, etc. The only problem being he didn't quite use it appropriately, ie, dense harmony stacks where he can't quite get the highest notes, on OCA especially, which I think might be peoples biggest problem.

I could listen to acappella mixes of the group all day, and think they're pretty much the best thing besides wholly unreleased tunes on Hawthorne, Endless Harmony, the GV box, etc.

I have absolutely no desire to listen to the 1964 Live Album - I never have, in fact.

The Beach Boys shouldn't have hired Curt Becher & Bruce to do the HCTN Disco Remix, they should have hired The Chic Organisation. If they did, it would have been a work of unparalleled genius instead of a baffling embarrassment with inexplicable monkey noises.

I really like Don't Be Scared off Goin' Public, and at times think Bruce had the most potential to deliver genius/massive comeback records in the group after, IDK, Dennis checked out of songwriting because of his piano chops and harmonic understanding - lyrics, well, that's what a collaborator's for.... (as for Brian, LY, A/C, etc are obviously great, but v left field. And then he got boring and formulaic with MIU, KTSA, and BB85)

Not making 'The Paley Sessions' songs into a new Beach Boys album was possibly the stupidest decision all five of them made. Or at least Carl.

Carl lost his taste in about 1979 - with one towering exception, It's Getting Late. If Prince released that, it would have gone top #20.



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Bicyclerider on June 19, 2013, 08:45:09 AM
The 1970-1973 period isn't as great as it made out to be.

And the corollary - the Beach Boys owe their resurgence in popularity to one man - Jack Reilly.  PR baby, PR.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on June 19, 2013, 08:51:00 AM
The 1970-1973 period isn't as great as it made out to be.
and not as bad as taken from your post above, either. They were positively great as a live band.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mahalo on June 19, 2013, 09:59:45 AM
I really enjoy the 1977 Christmas material, I like the MIU remakes a whole lot better than the versions on MIU.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: phirnis on June 19, 2013, 10:16:01 AM
Dennis frankly sounds a little sociopathic.

Really? How? Please elaborate.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mikie on June 19, 2013, 10:32:28 AM
The 1970-1973 period isn't as great as it made out to be.

Now that's just plain horse sh*t!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: phirnis on June 19, 2013, 10:36:21 AM
The 1970-1973 period isn't as great as it made out to be.

Now that's just plain horse sh*t!

 :)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 19, 2013, 11:01:45 AM
"Got To Know The Woman" is a great song. It's really fun and fits the mood of the album.

"Funky Pretty" gets really boring with the outro tag and the little electronic beeps are irritating.

The last two songs on "Friends" are really poor.

The spoken word part of the California Saga is fantastic. It adds to the mystique and wonder of the trilogy and really sets a tone of Big Sur and California.

Carl And The Passions- So Tough is a really good album. The songs are really amazing.

Agree, strongly disagree, half agree/disagree, agree, 70% agree.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 19, 2013, 11:05:32 AM
The 1970-1973 period isn't as great as it made out to be.

You're right - it's even better.

In fact, I'm so used to hearing people on here saying they don't particularly like or rate Surf's Up/CATP/Holland that I'd say stating that you think all three are absolutely fantastic would a more unpopular opinion...


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Shady on June 19, 2013, 11:21:04 AM
Mark Linett and Alan Boyd should not be in control of Beach Boys archival releases.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on June 19, 2013, 11:26:23 AM
Mark Linett and Alan Boyd should not be in control of Beach Boys archival releases.
Oh! And why is that, pray tell?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mikie on June 19, 2013, 11:33:40 AM
Mark Linett and Alan Boyd should not be in control of Beach Boys archival releases.

That's pure horse sh*t too!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: phirnis on June 19, 2013, 11:35:52 AM
Surf's Up/CATP/Holland is one of the most fascinating and downright most unusual episodes in any major rock group's history. People should be grateful this stuff even exists. It's a band challenging their own style and history while maintaining their overall identity and reintroducing some deep album cuts from the 60s into their setlists, as well as developing fresh interpretations of their beloved hit material. Take a look at the pictures from that particular time frame, have a listen to Feel Flows, the California Saga, Cuddle Up, and A Day in the Life of a Tree, even He Come Down! This was a uniquely fascinating group peaking one more time right after all must've seemed bleak and lost for them.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Paulos on June 19, 2013, 11:38:07 AM
-The Wild Honey album is abysmal and the most overrated album in their canon
-Brian's début solo album is unlistenable tripe
-Adult Child is terrible and deserves to stay locked in the vaults for all eternity
-Carl's voice from the late 70's and onwards is annoying, he over sings just about everything


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 19, 2013, 11:52:39 AM
-The Wild Honey album is abysmal and the most overrated album in their canon
-Brian's début solo album is unlistenable tripe
-Adult Child is terrible and deserves to stay locked in the vaults for all eternity
-Carl's voice from the late 70's and onwards is annoying, he over sings just about everything


I think what you actually meant to write was: 'The Wild Honey album is utterly fantastic and the most under-rated album in their canon'.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Paulos on June 19, 2013, 11:55:54 AM
-The Wild Honey album is abysmal and the most overrated album in their canon
-Brian's début solo album is unlistenable tripe
-Adult Child is terrible and deserves to stay locked in the vaults for all eternity
-Carl's voice from the late 70's and onwards is annoying, he over sings just about everything


I think what you actually meant to write was: 'The Wild Honey album is utterly fantastic and the most under-rated album in their canon'.


This is an opinion thread. My opinion is that Wild Honey sucks balls. Deal.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on June 19, 2013, 12:09:51 PM
- Pet Sounds is utterly bland and boring at best. Totally overrated.

I don't see how it's possible to be a Beach Boys fan and dislike Pet Sounds.  If you miss what's great about that album, you miss a lot of what was great about the Beach Boys as well.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on June 19, 2013, 12:19:24 PM
- Pet Sounds is utterly bland and boring at best. Totally overrated.

I don't see how it's possible to be a Beach Boys fan and dislike Pet Sounds.  If you miss what's great about that album, you miss a lot of what was great about the Beach Boys as well.
My bro was 14 when the band broke big and he was a huge fan. Bought every 45 and LP that came out, but that changed with Pet Sounds. While he liked WIBN, GOK & Sloop, he was not a fan of the album or the direction The Boys' took afterward. He still liked the hits, but that was about it. He really never came back to them until I played him 15 Big Ones in 1976. Some people only like the mainstream stuff. Me, I like all of it, even SIP. ;)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Wirestone on June 19, 2013, 12:25:16 PM
- Pet Sounds is utterly bland and boring at best. Totally overrated.

I don't see how it's possible to be a Beach Boys fan and dislike Pet Sounds.  If you miss what's great about that album, you miss a lot of what was great about the Beach Boys as well.

The whole point of this thread is to voice unpopular opinions. I don't think it's the place to try to shut folks down for having them. I certainly appreciate the artistry of Pet Sounds, but most days I would rather listen to several other BB/BW albums.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: AndrewHickey on June 19, 2013, 12:28:21 PM
Dennis frankly sounds a little sociopathic.

Really? How? Please elaborate.

He does. I don't think he *was* sociopathic, mind -- just messed up in a lot of other ways -- but look at the classic Hare sociopathy checklist http://sociopathicstyle.com/traits/classic.htm . Now note, that checklist is *only considered valid when administered by a clinically trained psychologist under controlled conditions*. None of us can possibly diagnose Dennis. But looking at the list:

 1. GLIB and SUPERFICIAL CHARM -- Definitely.
2. GRANDIOSE SELF-WORTH -- Doubtful
3. NEED FOR STIMULATION or PRONENESS TO BOREDOM -- Definitely
4. PATHOLOGICAL LYING -- Don't think so
5. CONNING AND MANIPULATIVENESS- Don't think so
6. LACK OF REMORSE OR GUILT -- Don't think so
7. SHALLOW AFFECT -- Definitely not
8. CALLOUSNESS and LACK OF EMPATHY -- Defnitely not
9. PARASITIC LIFESTYLE  (an intentional, manipulative, selfish, and exploitative financial dependence on others as reflected in a lack of motivation, low self-discipline, and inability to begin or complete responsibilities) -- Arguable
10. POOR BEHAVIORAL CONTROLS (expressions of irritability, annoyance, impatience, threats, aggression, and verbal abuse; inadequate control of anger and temper; acting hastily.) -- Definitely
11. PROMISCUOUS SEXUAL BEHAVIOR -- This is Dennis we're talking about
12. EARLY BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS -- Definitely
13. LACK OF REALISTIC, LONG-TERM GOALS (an inability or persistent failure to develop and execute long-term plans and goals; a nomadic existence, aimless, lacking direction in life.) -- sounds plausible
14. IMPULSIVITY -- Definitely
15. IRRESPONSIBILITY ( repeated failure to fulfill or honor obligations and commitments; such as not paying bills, defaulting on loans, performing sloppy work, being absent or late to work, failing to honor contractual agreements.) -- Definitely
16. FAILURE TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR OWN ACTIONS -- Don't know enough to say
17. MANY SHORT-TERM MARITAL RELATIONSHIPS -- This is Dennis we're talking about
18. JUVENILE DELINQUENCY -- Definitely
19. REVOCATION OF CONDITION RELEASE -- No
20. CRIMINAL VERSATILITY -- No

So of the twenty things on the checklist, one could argue that Dennis fits eleven of them.

Again, that's not to say that he *was* a sociopath -- but to say that saying he sounds like one isn't unreasonable.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: EgoHanger1966 on June 19, 2013, 12:28:27 PM
Love You is severely overrated on this board.

what about the night was so young? dontcha like it?

Yeah, it's fantastic, but I'm talking about the album as a whole.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mendota Heights on June 19, 2013, 12:36:02 PM
I enjoy Battle Hymn of the Republic.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Wirestone on June 19, 2013, 12:52:49 PM
Dennis frankly sounds a little sociopathic.

Really? How? Please elaborate.

Andrew beat me to it!

My take is that Dennis seems to really have cared precious little for anyone other than himself, and possibly the band. His treatment of women was abysmal, and he certainly wasn't much of a parent. He basically did whatever he wanted and never had to face the consequences -- until the last few years, when doing so meant that his world collapsed. I don't have a lot of patience for unrepentant f***-ups, which seems to be what Dennis was.

All of this is separate from his music, of course. And while I've called some of his compositions overrated, I do think he was a outstanding producer and distinctive vocalist, and his best songs are very good indeed.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Dancing Bear on June 19, 2013, 01:09:15 PM
"My World Fell Down" as it is but with Beach Boys vocals would be a better follow-up to Good Vibrations than "Heroes and Villains".


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Jeff on June 19, 2013, 01:24:52 PM
"Does anyone actually like that surf and cars sh*t they did before Pet Sounds?"


Seems like it's just not OK on this board to criticize the lyrics of the early songs.  People bend over backward to justify them -- some even claim that Brian was expressing spirituality, but masking it through analogies to cars and surfing.

But setting aside the surf/car/high school/summer fun songs, it's the lyrcis for a few others that were really inexcusable.  Wendy ("I can't picture you with him / His future looks awful dim"), Don't Hurt My Little Sister ("Why don't you love her/Like her big brother"), Amusement Parks USA, Salt Lake City, etc.   Horrible, horrible.

Lyrics matter, but you wouldn't know that from reading this board.



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mahalo on June 19, 2013, 01:29:02 PM
I love all those early tunes- I don't put them on that often, but when I do I can't stop listening. Brian may not have been aware of the metaphors, but the songs would become more poetic with the passing of time...especially looking back at how the 60's began, and then how they ended. There is an optimism in those songs that I really resonate with.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 19, 2013, 01:31:28 PM
I enjoy Battle Hymn of the Republic.

And the winner is...


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on June 19, 2013, 01:33:24 PM
I love all those early tunes- I don't put them on that often, but when I do I can't stop listening. Brian may not have been aware of the metaphors, but the songs would become more poetic with the passing of time...especially looking back at how the 60's began, and then how they ended. There is an optimism in those songs that I really resonate with.
You are correct. Something is lost in the meaning through changes in time. The lyrics were thoughtful and innocent, as were the times, at least for me and my siblings growing up when those songs were released.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mendota Heights on June 19, 2013, 01:38:00 PM
I enjoy Battle Hymn of the Republic.

And the winner is...

Hehe. I can not for the world see why people dislike that track so much. It's groovy.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: D409 on June 19, 2013, 02:15:51 PM
I of course mean "Goin' Pubic"
[/quote]

Goin Pubic....Never heard of that one. Brazilian release is it? ;)
[/quote]
Best Post Ever !

Anyway - why all the love for Love You ?

Why all the love for Getcha Back ? One of the worst songs on BB85


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: MBE on June 19, 2013, 02:21:57 PM
I like early rock lyrics so I have no problem. Simple is good and I know as a pre college teen I related a lot more to Wendy than Feel Flows.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gabo on June 19, 2013, 02:29:01 PM
The 1970-1973 period isn't as great as it made out to be.

I would divide that period into two: the Sunflower, Surf's Up Period and the Ricky/Blondie Era. In my (unpopular) opinion the first two albums mentioned are gems but the albums during the Ricky/Blondie era are abysmal.

That brings up another unpopular opinion: Ricky and Blondie weren't true Beach Boys. They were little more than hired hands.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: phirnis on June 19, 2013, 02:32:42 PM
Dennis frankly sounds a little sociopathic.

Really? How? Please elaborate.

Andrew beat me to it!

My take is that Dennis seems to really have cared precious little for anyone other than himself, and possibly the band. His treatment of women was abysmal, and he certainly wasn't much of a parent. He basically did whatever he wanted and never had to face the consequences -- until the last few years, when doing so meant that his world collapsed. I don't have a lot of patience for unrepentant f***-ups, which seems to be what Dennis was.

All of this is separate from his music, of course. And while I've called some of his compositions overrated, I do think he was a outstanding producer and distinctive vocalist, and his best songs are very good indeed.

Thanks for elaborating, it's a fascinating perspective. Personally I wouldn't necessarily call the guy an actual f***-up but I can see your point. To me it always seemed like he was trying hard to be a sweet, gentle guy despite his somewhat wild personality. Hence the romantic yet passionate, sometimes overblown music he did. I think he was a very good and sometimes brilliant songwriter as well as an exceptional singer. Would love to know a lot more about the final years of his life. He looks downright weird (and weary) in some of the footage I've seen and then again, kind of cool in other pictures from that particular time frame. Makes it all even more intriguing.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: ontor pertawst on June 19, 2013, 02:37:11 PM
Quote
That brings up another unpopular opinion: Ricky and Blondie weren't true Beach Boys. They were little more than hired hands.

There was that famous incident when David Frost sold heroin to Mike Love on the airport tarmac who then threw his apple jug at Carol Kaye and screamed to Blondie and Ricky: "you're nothing but errand boys sent by grocery clerks!"

After that he wrote the hook to Good Vibrations twice before somebody told him he already came up with it years before.

Also,  "Male Ego" is better than "Help Me Rhonda."



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Paulos on June 19, 2013, 02:42:39 PM
The 1970-1973 period isn't as great as it made out to be.

I would divide that period into two: the Sunflower, Surf's Up Period and the Ricky/Blondie Era. In my (unpopular) opinion the first two albums mentioned are gems but the albums during the Ricky/Blondie era are abysmal.

That brings up another unpopular opinion: Ricky and Blondie weren't true Beach Boys. They were little more than hired hands.

They were official Beach Boys and your opinion cannot change that. Hired hands don't write, sing lead and co-produce.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Shady on June 19, 2013, 02:44:56 PM
Mark Linett and Alan Boyd should not be in control of Beach Boys archival releases.
Oh! And why is that, pray tell?

I better not delve further into my opinion, I've already received one DrBeachboy scolding today. 


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on June 19, 2013, 02:51:08 PM
Mark Linett and Alan Boyd should not be in control of Beach Boys archival releases.
Oh! And why is that, pray tell?

I better not delve further into my opinion, I've already received one DrBeachboy scolding today. 

Is it just me, or does Brian look like he's masturbating in your avatar?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Shady on June 19, 2013, 02:55:03 PM
Mark Linett and Alan Boyd should not be in control of Beach Boys archival releases.
Oh! And why is that, pray tell?

I better not delve further into my opinion, I've already received one DrBeachboy scolding today. 

Is it just me, or does Brian look like he's masturbating in your avatar?

Hopefully it's just you..

I like to think he's listening to "Good Vibrations"  :lol


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 19, 2013, 02:56:37 PM
The 1970-1973 period isn't as great as it made out to be.

I would divide that period into two: the Sunflower, Surf's Up Period and the Ricky/Blondie Era. In my (unpopular) opinion the first two albums mentioned are gems but the albums during the Ricky/Blondie era are abysmal.

That brings up another unpopular opinion: Ricky and Blondie weren't true Beach Boys. They were little more than hired hands.

They were official Beach Boys and your opinion cannot change that. Hired hands don't write, sing lead and co-produce.

Well, David Marks didn't write, sing lead or co-produce, so if Blondie and Ricky were 'hired hands' than what does that make David?

Or to put it another way, of course Blondie and Ricky weren't hired hands. That is just blatantly inaccurate. You can dislike their contributions to the band if you like, but you can't use that as an excuse to rewrite history...


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Tristero on June 19, 2013, 03:22:33 PM
Is it just me, or does Brian look like he's masturbating in your avatar?

Not just you!   :lol

Clearly Blondie and Ricky were full fledged members of the band, but their songs don't quite feel like Beach Boys songs to me--they sound more like Traffic or something--so it contributes to a sense of stylistic schizophrenia, particularly on Carl & the Passions.  But they certainly helped with their live performances.  In Concert might be their most enduring legacy with the band.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gabo on June 19, 2013, 03:50:09 PM
I wasn't trying to argue against history (of course they were "official" Beach Boys). I doubt, however, that they were ever interested in being Beach Boys. They joined primarily because The Flame broke up and they had no where else to turn. They joined the band for selfish reasons, and The Boys hired them for selfish reasons -- they felt they needed them in the band to makeover their image and sound for FM radio. They were hired into the band at a time of need for both parties. The Beach Boys didn't want to be Beach Boys anymore so they hired the most un-Beach Boys-like musicians they could find.

I think because The Beach Boys' legacy is based on them being The Beach Boys  is why they (Ricky and Blondie) were left out of the reunion tour. Their membership was a historical curiosity, rather than a contributing factor to the band's legacy and identity.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Jeff on June 19, 2013, 04:25:54 PM
Is it just me, or does Brian look like he's masturbating in your avatar?

Not just you!   :lol


Definitely not just you.

I always assumed the poster with that avatar was trying to make some sort of bizarro statement, but didn't know what.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Nicko1234 on June 19, 2013, 04:40:01 PM


Definitely not just you.

I always assumed the poster with that avatar was trying to make some sort of bizarro statement, but didn't know what.

A reference to Gary Usher's comment about Brian one day getting so excited one day playing the piano that he had to go to the bathroom for a big tug of love perhaps?  :)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: joshferrell on June 19, 2013, 05:18:16 PM
The beach boys are nothing but "Surfing music" and all their songs sound the same...(I hear that all the time)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on June 19, 2013, 05:35:34 PM
The 1970-1973 period isn't as great as it made out to be.

I would divide that period into two: the Sunflower, Surf's Up Period and the Ricky/Blondie Era. In my (unpopular) opinion the first two albums mentioned are gems but the albums during the Ricky/Blondie era are abysmal.

That brings up another unpopular opinion: Ricky and Blondie weren't true Beach Boys. They were little more than hired hands.
You can think whatever your heart desires, but it doesn't make it a correct belief. They were no different in band status than what Bruce has been since his return in 1978 and David on & off since 1997. Check the covers of CATP, Holland & In Concert to be sure. It may have been a short stint, but that doesn't make it so.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SMiLE Brian on June 19, 2013, 05:53:06 PM
I don't like the Reiley era, the BBs true sound and image was not pandering to early 1970s fads.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on June 19, 2013, 06:01:43 PM
I don't like the Reiley era, the BBs true sound and image was not pandering to early 1970s fads.
I don't think it was pandering. They still did their own thing for the most part. As far as just not liking it, well that is your taste and I won't question that part of your statement.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: wantsomecorn on June 19, 2013, 06:52:04 PM
I can see what he's saying about pandering to fads- all the ecology stuff, but I still love that era the most.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: bossaroo on June 19, 2013, 08:28:04 PM
seems Mike fits several more of those sociopathic traits than Dennis. i think we're onto something here...


a few of mine:

- Dennis kills it on In The Back of My Mind.
- 20/20 is horrible and depressing for the most part.
- Forever is overrated. Dennis wrote much much better.
- Mike should have been kicked out by 1970, if not sooner, with Dennis taking his role.
- When Girls Get Together is a fine tune.
- it's Brian's voice you hear on the Little Child/Daddy Dear demo.
- the lyrics of I Wanna Pick You Up are humorous, charming and adorable.
- Landy did not prevent Brian from dying an early death.
- Wipe Out with The Fat Boys is a fine single.
- the majority of Mike's leads sounded consistently awful throughout the C50 Tour.  Same with Brian.
 


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: zatch on June 19, 2013, 08:38:29 PM
- Wipe Out with The Fat Boys is a fine single.
- the majority of Mike's leads sounded consistently awful throughout the C50 Tour.  Same with Brian.
 

Now that is an unpopular opinion.

- the majority of Mike's leads sounded consistently awful throughout the C50 Tour.  Same with Brian.
 
I noticed on all the videos of the C50 This Whole World the comments are overwhelmingly positive, but I thought Brian sounded quite awful on that. The worst part is I think he still has better in him, but instead of singing softly and sweetly, he chooses to yell it out and miss the high notes by a mile. Maybe just nervousness, I don't know.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: EthanJames on June 19, 2013, 09:16:50 PM
- 20/20, Sunflower and Surf's Up are good, but could have been much better
- Adult/Child should have been released instead of Love You
- Love You is very over-rated
- If Endless Summer wasn't released, we would've probably never here from the Beach Boys again
- The Beach boys should have turned down to do "You Again?"


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Pretty Funky on June 19, 2013, 09:53:39 PM
Melinda Wilson. The best thing for Brian since Eugene Landy!  :o (Take it any way you want)

Oh...Its the 20th of June for me so Happy Birthday. May your cake be big and chocolate! :woot


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on June 20, 2013, 12:27:07 AM
"Funky Pretty" gets really boring with the outro tag and the little electronic beeps are irritating.

I strongly disagree! It's boring right from the start! >:D


Surf's Up/CATP/Holland is one of the most fascinating and downright most unusual episodes in any major rock group's history. People should be grateful this stuff even exists.

Well, I'm not grateful, but that shouldn't make you enjoy them less.


The 1970-1973 period isn't as great as it made out to be.

I would divide that period into two: the Sunflower, Surf's Up Period and the Ricky/Blondie Era. In my (unpopular) opinion the first two albums mentioned are gems but the albums during the Ricky/Blondie era are abysmal.

You could do that, but to me the divide is between Sunflower and Surf's Up: pre-Reilly and Reilly period. Surf's Up is a bit less boring to me than the R&B era. (Ricky&Blondie I mean :))




Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on June 20, 2013, 12:27:51 AM
-The Wild Honey album is abysmal and the most overrated album in their canon
-Brian's début solo album is unlistenable tripe
-Adult Child is terrible and deserves to stay locked in the vaults for all eternity
-Carl's voice from the late 70's and onwards is annoying, he over sings just about everything


I think what you actually meant to write was: 'The Wild Honey album is utterly fantastic and the most under-rated album in their canon'.


Wild Honey would be a great album if Brian had actually bothered to record and produce it properly. Distorted organ buzzes on Country Air, an electrical buzz throughout Here Comes The Night, static air smothering Let The Wind Blow, at times inaudiable group vocals - the list goes on. I've heard better sounding bootlegs.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on June 20, 2013, 12:27:51 AM
Mark Linett and Alan Boyd should not be in control of Beach Boys archival releases.
Oh! And why is that, pray tell?

I better not delve further into my opinion, I've already received one DrBeachboy scolding today. 

Is it just me, or does Brian look like he's masturbating in your avatar?

It's Brian working with his hired hand. ;D


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 20, 2013, 12:42:53 AM
I don't like the Reiley era, the BBs true sound and image was not pandering to early 1970s fads.

So you don't like...

Long Promised Road,
Feel Flows,
Til I Die,
Marcella,
All This Is That,
Sail On Sailor,
California Saga,
Trader,
Carry Me Home,
Mt Vernon & Fairway,
the In Concert album?

Really? Wow.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on June 20, 2013, 12:56:17 AM
I don't like the Reiley era, the BBs true sound and image was not pandering to early 1970s fads.

So you don't like...

Long Promised Road,
Feel Flows,
Til I Die,
Marcella,
All This Is That,
Sail On Sailor,
California Saga,
Trader,
Carry Me Home,
Mt Vernon & Fairway,
the In Concert album?

Really? Wow.

Of these, I like the looped Desper mix of "Til I Die" and certain aspects of Long Promised Road and Carry Me Home. Can't help it!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on June 20, 2013, 01:09:00 AM
I like to wear my wife's underwear and listen to Summer In Paradise.....

Hang on, this is the candid admissions thread isn't it?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on June 20, 2013, 01:10:41 AM
I like to wear my wife's underwear and listen to Summer In Paradise.....

Hang on, this is the candid admissions thread isn't it?

Next door down.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on June 20, 2013, 03:01:30 AM
Great topic idea, Wrightfan, thanks for bringing it up! Definitely one of the most interesting threads I've read on this forum. Agree with half of what's written here. Anyhow:

- I genuinely like every single BBs album starting from Surfin' Safari & counting Stars & Stripes.
- At My Window is not only the best Sunflower track, but also the best BBs song ever.
- Barbara Ann is a jolly good rollicking cover! Never tire of it. That said, the "Everybody say yeah – YEAAAH! YEAAAH – YEAH!.." addition is really unnecessary. To-and-fro dancing with legs is ridiculous.
- Don't know what it is about Brian's voice, but I like all the phases of it, including the worst ones: damaged, off-key, when he slurrs the words or whatever else. Rare case, because usually I am very strict & don't favor such kind of imperfections in other artists. There are only few exceptions of them.
- Sloop John B is the best song off Pet Sounds. No way it's out of place, it's in.
- It'd be very sad if Barnyard didn't exist. To me, it's one of the highlights of The Smile Sessions, dig it both with & without the vocs.
- Al Jardine is the best singer of The BBs in any decade, full stop.
- Carl isn't the voice of an angel – Brian is. If compare their 60s voices, Brian has much more innocent, charming & childlike tone, f.ex. in You Still Believe In Me.
- Guess I'm Dumb is nothing special, though I like Glen's voice in general.
- I don't think of skit tracks as fillers. Same as I don't mind spoken bits in the BBs songs.
- Wipe Out is jolly cool! The video is kinda too, especially the fighting intro & when The BBs do some disc jockey things such as vinyl-rotating.
- Mike's stage banters & choreography are often very entertaining.
- Mike isn't a villain & he certainly wasn't the main reason of Smile demise.
- Dennis is nowhere near the 2nd best songwriter of the group.
- Beaches In Mind is fantastic!
- Forever is severely overrated. I can name at least 3 DW songs better than it.
- Jack Rieley's lead on A Day In The Life of A Tree works very well. Besides, his narration in Mount Vernon & Fairway adds some color to the existing b/g music. Needless to say, I don't listen to Fairy Tale Music.
- "Beach Boys Concert" is a highly underrated live record.
- Every surf instrumental is fine by me. Minus Moon Dawg & studio version of Let's Go Trippin'.
- Marilyn is a good singer; I enjoyed her vocal contributions to the BBs tunes.
- I like every style change & new direction of the band. Even the disco version of Here Comes the Night is not that horrendous to my ears. 
- Don't get what's wrong with Jeff's voice, his falsetto is beautiful! And I surely like his lead on Why Do Fools Fall in Love.
- Modern rendition of Do It Again easily beats out the 20/20 original. Brian's middle-eight is superior than Carl's.
- Autotune is not as bad as most of the Smiley Smilers claim it to be. It's quite tastefully done on TWGMTR & 2012 live album.
- I'm glad that the new record doesn't feature Carl or Dennis's vocals.
- Like Brian himself, I prefer the 60s Dennis rather than the 70s. That's when his voice was at the top.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 20, 2013, 03:33:54 AM
Brian's vocal on Let Him Run Wild is awful. The great man himself was right - he sounds way too shrill. 


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Ovi on June 20, 2013, 04:05:37 AM
- Dennis is nowhere near the 2nd best songwriter of the group.

Then who is?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Lowbacca on June 20, 2013, 04:13:07 AM
Brian's vocal on Let Him Run Wild is awful. The great man himself was right - he sounds way too shrill. 
This is better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9a000jHxqo


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on June 20, 2013, 04:28:20 AM
- Dennis is nowhere near the 2nd best songwriter of the group.

Then who is?

Brian


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 20, 2013, 04:56:57 AM
Brian's vocal on Let Him Run Wild is awful. The great man himself was right - he sounds way too shrill. 
This is better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9a000jHxqo

That was good, yes. Although I preferred their take on 'Monkey's Uncle', and not just because of that sexy blonde singing with 'em. Phwoaarrr!!!!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on June 20, 2013, 05:30:26 AM
Brian's vocal on Let Him Run Wild is awful. The great man himself was right - he sounds way too shrill. 
This is better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9a000jHxqo

That was good, yes. Although I preferred their take on 'Monkey's Uncle', and not just because of that sexy blonde singing with 'em. Phwoaarrr!!!!

That lead me on to the original, which I like to play from time to time. Had no idea Annette died in April.  :(


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Lowbacca on June 20, 2013, 05:33:00 AM
Brian's vocal on Let Him Run Wild is awful. The great man himself was right - he sounds way too shrill. 
This is better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9a000jHxqo

That was good, yes. Although I preferred their take on 'Monkey's Uncle', and not just because of that sexy blonde singing with 'em. Phwoaarrr!!!!
:-D ;D
Regarding their take on "Let Him Run Wild": that 'sweeter' style of singing the high lead on it makes "Let Him Run Wild" an even better song. Gotta say, I've never enjoyed the song as much as when I listen to the Fendertones version. The original studio version is a cool track as well  - but the live setting, particular arrangement and lead vocal by the Fendertones takes the tune to another level altogether.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on June 20, 2013, 05:47:48 AM
- Dennis is nowhere near the 2nd best songwriter of the group.

Then who is?
That's a tricky question but I dare say Al. I respect if you think otherwise or maybe that Dennis is the 1st best songwriter. After all, we express our own minds here.

2Disney Boy (1985): for awhile, I thought the same, that's why I didn't like Let Him Run before. Now it's the other way around, though I still will go with the 1998 version.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 20, 2013, 06:40:47 AM
- Dennis is nowhere near the 2nd best songwriter of the group.

Then who is?
That's a tricky question but I dare say Al. I respect if you think otherwise or maybe that Dennis is the 1st best songwriter. After all, we express our own minds here.

2Disney Boy (1985): for awhile, I thought the same, that's why I didn't like Let Him Run before. Now it's the other way around, though I still will go with the 1998 version.

If Al is a better song-writer than Dennis then I'm George Clooney.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Ovi on June 20, 2013, 06:46:24 AM
I, without a doubt, prefer the released version of 'Big Sur'.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on June 20, 2013, 07:31:47 AM
If Al is a better song-writer than Dennis then I'm George Clooney.
I know you are a huge Dennis fan & respect it, but that is YOUR opinion & I have MINE which differs from YOURS. That is, Al Jardine is the 2nd best songwriter. I like that his songs are filled with positivity, they're all catchy & accessible, plus I like folk music. In short, Al is extremely underrated.

I like Dennis & don't deny that he's got talent. There are a handful of gems in his catalog - both within & outside The BBs. Also, his vocals on Do You Wanna Dance, In The Back of My Mind, This Car of Mine, Surfers Rule, bridge of Girls on the Beach are the chief reasons why I like these songs. But generally, his music is a bit too downbeat & depressing to my taste & mostly I'm not a fan of his 70s voice.

I, without a doubt, prefer the released version of 'Big Sur'.
+1! Totally forgot to mention it. The other one sounds like a dull commercial music for Bounty chocolate, too slow.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: AndrewHickey on June 20, 2013, 07:38:37 AM
If Al is a better song-writer than Dennis then I'm George Clooney.
I know you are a huge Dennis fan & respect it, but that is YOUR opinion & I have MINE which differs from YOURS. That is, Al Jardine is the 2nd best songwriter. I like that his songs are filled with positivity, they're all catchy & accessible, plus I like folk music. In short, Al is extremely underrated.

But in his entire songwriting career, Al has only written *one* song for the Beach Boys that's actually in any way original. Other than All This Is That, everything else has been a minor rewrite of someone else's song. Al's an incredibly underrated singer, a surprisingly competent producer, and seemingly by far the nicest person out of the band members, and I like his solo album a *lot* -- but he's not so much a songwriter as a song rewriter.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 20, 2013, 07:41:30 AM
If Al is a better song-writer than Dennis then I'm George Clooney.
I know you are a huge Dennis fan & respect it, but that is YOUR opinion & I have MINE which differs from YOURS. That is, Al Jardine is the 2nd best songwriter. I like that his songs are filled with positivity, they're all catchy & accessible, plus I like folk music. In short, Al is extremely underrated.

I like Dennis & don't deny that he's got talent. There are a handful of gems in his catalog - both within & outside The BBs. Also, his vocals on Do You Wanna Dance, In The Back of My Mind, This Car of Mine, Surfers Rule, bridge of Girls on the Beach are the chief reasons why I like these songs. But generally, his music is a bit too downbeat & depressing to my taste & mostly I'm not a fan of his 70s voice.

I, without a doubt, prefer the released version of 'Big Sur'.
+1! Totally forgot to mention it. The other one sounds like a dull commercial music for Bounty chocolate, too slow.

I know it's my opinion, and I never for one minute implied any differently. However the fact remains: if Al is a better song-writer than Dennis then I'm George Clooney.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Bean Bag on June 20, 2013, 07:45:02 AM
Controversial...

MIU is a fantastic Beach Boys album

Imagination is Brian's best solo album -- and probably the most accomplished Beach Boys album since Pet Sounds

Surfin' Safari is a fantastic record

76-83 is my favorite era of the band!!!

Denny had the best voice -- in a non-harmonized, good ol' fashioned, out-front rock voice.  It was the coolest.  The other voices often contributed to them being seen as dorky and old fashioned.  


Far less controversial...

Brian Wilson hasn't been himself since the early 80s. He's been either too "correctly" medicated (or lobotomized!) or he's just older.  I can't tell.  :-D

The Beach Boys, as an artistic entity are Brian Wilson and Mike Love.  Wilson/Love.  That's it.  All one needs to have a Beach Boy record is those two dinosaurs to shut the fck up and WORK!!!

Without Denny, they ceased to be a "band."  Still artists, yes but not really a "band," man.  Ya know?


And lastly...

(http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6594/00281865lg2wb.jpg)

After Brian checked out in 1967, the keys should have been handed to Dennis Wilson, the rightful heir.  Egos would not allow it... and Denny probably didn't command the role -- but he's the only one who possessed anything original or close to an artist vision/roadmap for the band.

All the others were vital contributors... but that's all.  Denny could have led them to something really cool.  He had the feel, the head-turning voice and the charisma to be out front in some fashion.  His solo albums are a sad, drunk and weathered -- six pack a day -- reminder of just how fcking brilliant he was.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on June 20, 2013, 07:57:57 AM
But in his entire songwriting career, Al has only written *one* song for the Beach Boys that's actually in any way original. Other than All This Is That, everything else has been a minor rewrite of someone else's song. Al's an incredibly underrated singer, a surprisingly competent producer, and seemingly by far the nicest person out of the band members, and I like his solo album a *lot* -- but he's not so much a songwriter as a song rewriter.
Mr. Hickey, I get your point, however, I'm sure that in the whole history of music he isn't the only one who borrows sth. from other artists. It happens all the time. Even John Lennon said about it telling the music is the same, with some variations around the chords. So, at some level, one can notice similarities between different songs of different artists. And therefore, I stand to what I've stated. Though I completely agree with the rest of your post.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Bean Bag on June 20, 2013, 08:57:33 AM
My appreciation for Al has skyrocketed over the years.  His singing and his spirit and his music.  All this is that is one of my favorites.  It's such a good song.  Also, I didn't used to -- but now I really like the covers he brought in.  Cotton Fields especially.  It has grown to become another favorite... despite it being soooo Not-Beach Boys.  :)  It is the rightful opener to Sunflower, by the way!!

I don't know what the inner-workings of the band were, but Carl is often credited as being the healer, the calm voice who kept the band and family together.  But Al seems to be such a level-headed, focused and music-loving guy.  F- the politics and the business... just the MUSIC!!!  That had to be such a grounding presence.  Especially while Brian was bed-ridden and Mike was going batty with his apple juice jug.

Plus he's the one guy Brian hand-picked for the band, right?  Everyone else was family -- had to be in it.  Brian was Al's friend.  They shared a love for music.  Not just a "collaborator."  But Brian's music-friend.

I'm so frickin' stoked Brian's working with him.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Jason on June 20, 2013, 09:10:08 AM
I think Brian himself said it best.

"Mike Love is the Beach Boys."


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on June 20, 2013, 09:23:11 AM
I think Brian himself said it best.

"Mike Love is the Beach Boys."
"I'm just his stinkin' songwriter" was the whole quote, I believe. ;)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Paulos on June 20, 2013, 01:12:54 PM
There have been many, many opinions on this thread that I disagree with strongly, but the assertion that Al Jardine is the second best song-writer in the Beach boys just blows my mind. I may never recover from this.



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on June 20, 2013, 01:16:16 PM
There have been many, many opinions on this thread that I disagree with strongly, but the assertion that Al Jardine is the second best song-writer in the Beach boys just blows my mind. I may never recover from this.


I'm with you on that.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Theydon Bois on June 20, 2013, 01:39:53 PM
"Barbara Ann" is a highly enjoyable piece of pop music.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: TimmyC on June 20, 2013, 01:47:43 PM
If Al is a better song-writer than Dennis then I'm George Clooney.
I know you are a huge Dennis fan & respect it, but that is YOUR opinion & I have MINE which differs from YOURS. That is, Al Jardine is the 2nd best songwriter. I like that his songs are filled with positivity, they're all catchy & accessible, plus I like folk music. In short, Al is extremely underrated.

But in his entire songwriting career, Al has only written *one* song for the Beach Boys that's actually in any way original. Other than All This Is That, everything else has been a minor rewrite of someone else's song. Al's an incredibly underrated singer, a surprisingly competent producer, and seemingly by far the nicest person out of the band members, and I like his solo album a *lot* -- but he's not so much a songwriter as a song rewriter.

This seems about right... and I agree - he is one nice guy.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Cabinessenceking on June 20, 2013, 01:50:17 PM
There have been many, many opinions on this thread that I disagree with strongly, but the assertion that Al Jardine is the second best song-writer in the Beach boys just blows my mind. I may never recover from this.


:lol


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Cabinessenceking on June 20, 2013, 01:50:54 PM
"Barbara Ann" is a highly enjoyable piece of pop music.

you did not.... :-\


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on June 20, 2013, 01:55:19 PM
I think Brian himself said it best.

"Mike Love is the Beach Boys."
"I'm just his stinkin' songwriter" was the whole quote, I believe. ;)

This is an interesting take, actually - Brian never really was about fun, he was the introspective guy that the Beach Boys never were known for. ("was" because he's not in the band anymore.)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Jason on June 20, 2013, 01:57:52 PM
Hey, if it wasn't for that trademark Michael Love sound, the Beach Boys never would have made it out of Labor Day weekend in 1961. See, Murry saw the talent in Michael right away. :)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: lee on June 20, 2013, 02:36:47 PM
I think Brian himself said it best.

"Mike Love is the Beach Boys."

Didn't Brian say that about Carl as well? It may have been something like The Beach Boys died when Carl died or something to that extent.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: joshferrell on June 20, 2013, 03:06:14 PM
Mike Love is a reptilian shape shifter from another planet who works for the illuminate and he works for the freemasons,, ;D


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Pretty Funky on June 20, 2013, 05:04:20 PM
The Beach Boys regrouped, had a hit new album, hauled their 70 year old asses around every venue big and small for 5 months and 74 gigs at a reasonable price.
The Rolling Stones invited Wyman for 2 songs only, are playing limited high priced concerts on the back of their greatest hits catalogue.

Maybe Mike Love was right. They are Chickensh!t compared to the Beach Boys? :p


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: hypehat on June 20, 2013, 05:09:35 PM
Mike Love is a reptilian shape shifter from another planet who works for the illuminate and he works for the freemasons,, ;D

Dude, this is opinions, not facts...


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Moon Dawg on June 20, 2013, 05:18:57 PM
The Beach Boys regrouped, had a hit new album, hauled their 70 year old asses around every venue big and small for 5 months and 74 gigs at a reasonable price.
The Rolling Stones invited Wyman for 2 songs only, are playing limited high priced concerts on the back of their greatest hits catalogue.

Maybe Mike Love was right. They are Chickensh!t compared to the Beach Boys? :p

 Yes. The Beach Boys' 50th trumps what the Stones have been up to for theirs.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: oldsurferdude on June 20, 2013, 06:08:20 PM
Hey, if it wasn't for that trademark Michael Love sound, the Beach Boys never would have made it out of Labor Day weekend in 1961. See, Murry saw the talent in Michael right away. :)
According to myKe luHv, that is. :3d :3d :3d :3d :3d :3d :3d :3d :3d :3d :3d


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: joshferrell on June 20, 2013, 07:47:15 PM
Mike Love is a reptilian shape shifter from another planet who works for the illuminate and he works for the freemasons,, ;D

Dude, this is opinions, not facts...
opps nevermind  ;D


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Jarethon on June 20, 2013, 09:21:27 PM
Wowie zowie, this is too much fun to resist!
 
I like Student Demonstration Time.

I pretty much love all of M.I.U. (except the title).

I enjoy Pet Sounds in stereo as much as mono (it almost sounds like a different album).

I actually really like Barbara Ann, but I think it has always sucked live. Especially as an encore.

I love Bruce and all the songs he has contributed.

Speaking of, I will never understand how anyone could dislike Tears in the Morning. It is one of my absolute favorites. The piano coda is gorgeous.

I will also never understand why A Day in the Life of a Tree is so loved. Yeah, the message is important, but the lyrics and metaphor are ridiculous. And in my opinion, to a greater extent than some have said about Don’t Go Near the Water (which I like). And Rieley’s vocal is absolutely horrible. 

Big Sur > Beaks of Eagles > California

I love the album version of Be True to Your School, but I might hate the single version.

I still find very little reason to listen to 15 Big Ones, but I think I am possibly beginning to see the appeal of Love You. I'm not holding my breath.

The last three songs of That’s Why God Made the Radio are good, but not great. I like From There to Back Again and Pacific Coast Highway is decent, but I think Summer’s Gone is totally lame. The lyrics are almost gleefully depressing and too self aware.

Calling these three songs a “suite” is borderline pretentious.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: zatch on June 20, 2013, 10:54:26 PM
Calling these three songs a “suite” is borderline pretentious.

I don't understand how that is pretentious in the least. The word "suite" does not suggest any sort of greatness at all. You could have three of the worst songs ever written, all written in the same vein, and call it the "Shitty Suite," but it would be a suite, and that would not be pretentious. Calling that suite "The Superlative Suite," now that would be pretentious.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 21, 2013, 12:00:28 AM
Controversial...

MIU is a fantastic Beach Boys album

Imagination is Brian's best solo album -- and probably the most accomplished Beach Boys album since Pet Sounds

Surfin' Safari is a fantastic record

76-83 is my favorite era of the band!!!

Denny had the best voice -- in a non-harmonized, good ol' fashioned, out-front rock voice.  It was the coolest.  The other voices often contributed to them being seen as dorky and old fashioned.  


Far less controversial...

Brian Wilson hasn't been himself since the early 80s. He's been either too "correctly" medicated (or lobotomized!) or he's just older.  I can't tell.  :-D

The Beach Boys, as an artistic entity are Brian Wilson and Mike Love.  Wilson/Love.  That's it.  All one needs to have a Beach Boy record is those two dinosaurs to shut the fck up and WORK!!!

Without Denny, they ceased to be a "band."  Still artists, yes but not really a "band," man.  Ya know?


And lastly...

(http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6594/00281865lg2wb.jpg)

After Brian checked out in 1967, the keys should have been handed to Dennis Wilson, the rightful heir.  Egos would not allow it... and Denny probably didn't command the role -- but he's the only one who possessed anything original or close to an artist vision/roadmap for the band.

All the others were vital contributors... but that's all.  Denny could have led them to something really cool.  He had the feel, the head-turning voice and the charisma to be out front in some fashion.  His solo albums are a sad, drunk and weathered -- six pack a day -- reminder of just how fcking brilliant he was.

Well, Bean Bag, I sure agree with you re Dennis, however I imagine the great man himself might have taken issue with your assertion that MIU is a fantastic album (''That album is an embarrassment to my life... It should self-destruct'').


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 21, 2013, 12:04:49 AM
They messed up the fade to All This Is That.

The way Carl's voice is to the fore and then it suddenly and jarring drops back is a very poor piece of production.

If it had gradually faded into the background perhaps it wouldn't be as bad; personally however I think it should've remained prominent throughout the fade, with the other voices either in the background or alongside it.

It's a beautiful song, however I just cannot listen to it without this bugging me. Anyone else ever thought this?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Phoenix on June 21, 2013, 01:47:44 AM
Unpopular, you say?

Starting with the obvious ones:  I (really) don't like Smiley Smile or Love You and Friends bores me.  I probably wouldn't mind Friends if it was just a one off excursion into that style but three lo-fi, under-produced records in a row is just too much for me to take.  The fans voted with their wallets and ran away in droves while the band trudged through way too long a series of albums...I don't know...hoping the fans would come around???  It didn't happen and the success of "Darlin'" in that period showed what the fans wanted: Fully fleshed out POP songs with high end production.  The group knew how good the track was and took it away from Redwood, against Brian's wishes...and being the Beach Boys, continued in the opposite direction after it hot the charts.  Finally, Wild Honey is by far the best of their "barely produced" period but only because the songs are actually Pop songs (or R&B songs put through the Pop filter).  The production kills the album...again.

Speaking of production, I think Imagination is WAY closer to Pet Sounds than anything Brian did in the period between those records.  It and BW88 are night and day.  They've both got some great songs on it but BW88 is probably the most dated sounding album in the band's entire catalog.  And that was 1988 (not 1983)!  Those Linn drums were ALREADY dated by then.  Comparatively, Imagination gets knocked for it's "Adult Contemporary" sound.  I must ask if the critics in that camp think "Let's Go Away For A While" is a Rock song?  Clarinets, stacked, on key vocals (albeit produced within an inch of their lives but I don't care).  Classic melodies from the prime of Brian's life like "Sherry She Needs Me", "Let Him Run Wild", "My Solution".  Yeah.  It may have lacked the inventiveness of "Rio Grande" but it didn't have any really dumb lyrics either.  The best stuff on BW88 had more to do with the collaborators than Brian.

Blondie and Ricky's tenure in the group was entirely too short. No surprise that their exit coincided with Mike's camp assuming control as it loaded everyone up on the American Graffiti/Endless Summer/nostalgia wave.  People can knock them for sounding out of place but that's why they were made members of the band.  "Here She Comes" was just as contemporary as "Marcella" (maybe more so, maybe too much ahead of it's time) and certainly WORLDS more commercial than "He Come Down" or "Make It Good"! 

20/20 is a GREAT (tho disjointed) album!  Better a hodgepodge of all good songs than ANOTHER album with a consistent theme of boring, under-produced, demos.

Jeffrey Foskett is the MAN!  With Brian and Sir Paul way past their primes, and Carl and Brad Delp no longer of this earth, Foskett may in fact have the best Pop voice on the planet.  OK.  Maybe his falsetto is a little shrill for you but outside of Brian's, most of them are.  This goes for Scott Totten, Matt Jardine, and most other really great falsetto singers.  (On either side of the greats, you have your really nasal Frankie Vallis and Adrian Bakers on one side, and your really breathy Barry Gibbs on the other.)  The bottom line is Jeff's mid-range voice in UNTOUCHABLE.  Check out his lead on "Surfin' USA" at the end of the Jeff Beck "Surf's Up" clip or his vocals on the 1984 DC encore.  THAT is why he belongs on stage with the greatest singing group of all time!

Dennis was a PALE shadow of his former greatness (which even at his peak could rival Bruce in terms of sheer schlockiness!) by the time of Endless Summer.  It's a shame but that's how it is to me (remember these are all opinions, and unpopular ones, at that).  Worse, his voice practically ruins his contributions to MIU and LA.  The only reason they stand out is that most of the other stuff is rehashed, boring, or both.  I really do wish Mike had gotten the boot at some point and been replaced by Dennis and I wish Dennis would have followed doctors' order and healed his GD voice!  Like David, Dennis went under-appreciated for too long but I feel the pendulum has swung just a bit too far in his favor lately.  Serious talent, seriously wasted by the end.

The band should have DEFINITELY broke up in 1977!  After that, the political scars always loomed over the music.  Everything from then to at least Keepin' The Summer Alive rarely gets a spin from me.  (I don't like the stuff that immediately preceded it either but at least they were still riding the success of Endless Summer and Brian's Back.)  They really needed to take time off, realize how good they could be, let the audience realize how important they were, and play the reunion trump card in 1980 or later.

The only thing wrong with "Kokomo" and "Barbara Ann" is they've been overplayed.  They were both huge hits for a reason.  And there's nothing wrong with the band's take on "California Dreaming". 

The worst thing BY FAR about Summer In Paradise is the production (and lack of Brian).  As above, there's NOTHING (really) wrong with the live version of "Summer In Paradise".  The lyrics are modern day Mike Love but like "Do It Again", they actually work in this case.

That's Why God Made The Radio is definitely one of the group's ten best and consistently good albums.

Joe Thomas should work with Brian ALL the time. ...At least when it comes to producing the vocals (tho I do agree that he needs to dial back the auto-tune a bit).




Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on June 21, 2013, 03:49:20 AM
Pheonix, you and I are night and day.

Shine on you crazy, Freinds hating, Joe Thomas loving diamond!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: MBE on June 21, 2013, 06:00:34 AM
The Beach Boys regrouped, had a hit new album, hauled their 70 year old asses around every venue big and small for 5 months and 74 gigs at a reasonable price.
The Rolling Stones invited Wyman for 2 songs only, are playing limited high priced concerts on the back of their greatest hits catalogue.

Maybe Mike Love was right. They are Chickensh!t compared to the Beach Boys? :p
I won't even see the Stones and I saw the Beach Boys twice. Why? Well I haven't liked how they present themselves live since 1981. Basically it is venue and price


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Bicyclerider on June 21, 2013, 06:26:11 AM

After Brian checked out in 1967, the keys should have been handed to Dennis Wilson, the rightful heir.  Egos would not allow it... and Denny probably didn't command the role -- but he's the only one who possessed anything original or close to an artist vision/roadmap for the band.

All the others were vital contributors... but that's all.  Denny could have led them to something really cool.  He had the feel, the head-turning voice and the charisma to be out front in some fashion.  His solo albums are a sad, drunk and weathered -- six pack a day -- reminder of just how fcking brilliant he was.

Totally agree with this.  If Dennis could have been a more reliable, less crazy  alcholol and drug fueled wild man (of course that's one of the reasons we love him), he could have definitely taken over the reins from Brian rather than Carl.  I think in the 1968-70 period there was a little leadership tug of war going on between Carl and Dennis, an undercurrent that never erupted into a fight, but was affecting the group dynamic. Well it did eventually erupt over the sequencing of Surf's Up . . . Dennis was writing and producing his own stuff separate from Carl on 20/20 and Sunflower and his last minute additions to Add Some Music, which was rejected by Warner Brothers, "saved" the album.  If only Slip on Through had been a hit single, things may have developed very differently from how they did.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: B-Rex on June 21, 2013, 06:45:56 AM
Bruce wrote only two good songs-Dierdre and She believes in Love Again

Guess I'm Dumb beats every song on Today!

Al should have had nearly half of Mike's leads

He Come Down is beyond horrible.  It makes me claw my eyes out.  The rest of this list will be typed blindly.

Dennis' love songs are often sappy, lifeless mush, with some exceptions

Brian Wilson is a clunky album.  The versions that appear on IJWMFTT are vastly superior

Never Learn Not to Love is one of Dennis' finest moments, despite Chuck Manson

Daybreak Over the Ocean should have opened TWGMTR

Lyrics matter as much as the music--thus Love You is half a heaping pile of elephant dung...the other half is quite good

Aside from the toothpaste and soap line, Don't Go Near the water is excellent

Time to Get Alone just begs for the Hawthorne outro

Pet Sounds in stereo is leaps and bounds above mono

Almost every BB tune is superior in stereo (real stereo)

Al is a solid songwriter who should have more represetation on MiC

Imagination is Brian's best solo album

Here Comes the Night disco single is fantastic.  Why wasn't this on LA?

LA is a snooze fest



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on June 21, 2013, 07:04:23 AM
What a great thread this is.

What it shows is, without all the rows and snide remarks that usually get chucked about, what a rich and varied catalogue this band has if they can elicit such polar opinions about their work.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Cabinessenceking on June 21, 2013, 07:15:41 AM
Wowie zowie, this is too much fun to resist!
 
I like Student Demonstration Time.

I pretty much love all of M.I.U. (except the title).

I enjoy Pet Sounds in stereo as much as mono (it almost sounds like a different album).

I actually really like Barbara Ann, but I think it has always sucked live. Especially as an encore.

I love Bruce and all the songs he has contributed.

Speaking of, I will never understand how anyone could dislike Tears in the Morning. It is one of my absolute favorites. The piano coda is gorgeous.

I will also never understand why A Day in the Life of a Tree is so loved. Yeah, the message is important, but the lyrics and metaphor are ridiculous. And in my opinion, to a greater extent than some have said about Don’t Go Near the Water (which I like). And Rieley’s vocal is absolutely horrible. 

Big Sur > Beaks of Eagles > California

I love the album version of Be True to Your School, but I might hate the single version.

I still find very little reason to listen to 15 Big Ones, but I think I am possibly beginning to see the appeal of Love You. I'm not holding my breath.

The last three songs of That’s Why God Made the Radio are good, but not great. I like From There to Back Again and Pacific Coast Highway is decent, but I think Summer’s Gone is totally lame. The lyrics are almost gleefully depressing and too self aware.

Calling these three songs a “suite” is borderline pretentious.


you sir, have a load of unpopular opinions!  ;D


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Cabinessenceking on June 21, 2013, 07:16:42 AM
They messed up the fade to All This Is That.

The way Carl's voice is to the fore and then it suddenly and jarring drops back is a very poor piece of production.

If it had gradually faded into the background perhaps it wouldn't be as bad; personally however I think it should've remained prominent throughout the fade, with the other voices either in the background or alongside it.

It's a beautiful song, however I just cannot listen to it without this bugging me. Anyone else ever thought this?

live at Nassau 1974 is far, far better in this sense!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: smilethebeachboysloveyou on June 21, 2013, 07:39:24 AM
The best thing about The Beach Boys '85 is the production.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: zatch on June 21, 2013, 09:50:36 AM
He Come Down is beyond horrible.  It makes me claw my eyes out.  The rest of this list will be typed blindly.

Never Learn Not to Love is one of Dennis' finest moments, despite Chuck Manson

Aside from the toothpaste and soap line, Don't Go Near the water is excellent

Pet Sounds in stereo is leaps and bounds above mono

Almost every BB tune is superior in stereo (real stereo)


Agree with these.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Phoenix on June 21, 2013, 11:06:04 AM
Pheonix, you and I are night and day.

Shine on you crazy, Freinds hating, Joe Thomas loving diamond!

Right backacha, man.  ;D  :afro  :lol

It takes all kinds. :)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Phoenix on June 21, 2013, 11:14:51 AM
Bruce wrote only two good songs-Dierdre and She believes in Love Again

Guess I'm Dumb beats every song on Today!

Al should have had nearly half of Mike's leads

He Come Down is beyond horrible.  It makes me claw my eyes out.  The rest of this list will be typed blindly. (Well I wouldn't go THAT far.)  :)

Dennis' love songs are often sappy, lifeless mush, with some exceptions

Brian Wilson is a clunky album.  The versions that appear on IJWMFTT are vastly superior

Never Learn Not to Love is one of Dennis' finest moments, despite Chuck Manson

Daybreak Over the Ocean should have opened TWGMTR

Lyrics matter as much as the music--thus Love You is half a heaping pile of elephant dung...the other half is quite good

Aside from the toothpaste and soap line, Don't Go Near the water is excellent  ...Or that far, either. :)

Time to Get Alone just begs for the Hawthorne outro

Pet Sounds in stereo is leaps and bounds above mono

Almost every BB tune is superior in stereo (real stereo)

Al is a solid songwriter who should have more represetation on MiC

Imagination is Brian's best solo album

Here Comes the Night disco single is fantastic.  Why wasn't this on LA?  ...Again, a bit extreme stance in my opinion.

LA is a snooze fest

I'm with you on almost all of those. 


Oh, and tho I forgot to mention it in my post, I don't like Love You either.  And believe me, I've TRIED....MANY times.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: 1-1-wonderful on June 21, 2013, 11:32:45 AM
I don't get why people who didn't know Dennis Wilson insist on calling him Denny.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Paulos on June 21, 2013, 11:34:52 AM
I don't get why people who didn't know Dennis Wilson insist on calling him Denny.

I don't get why people who don't know Michael Love insist on calling him Mike

I don't get why people who don't know Alan Jardine insist on calling him Al

I don't get why people who don't know Bruce Johnston insist on calling him Historical


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: 1-1-wonderful on June 21, 2013, 11:38:58 AM
Whatevs, Pauly


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Wirestone on June 21, 2013, 01:35:07 PM
I prefer Brian's solo output to many Beach Boys records. BW88, OCA, IJWMFTT, Imagination, Roxy, TLOS, Gershwin and Disney work for me anytime.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Jason on June 21, 2013, 01:40:27 PM
Brian Wilson Presents Smile is akin to a K-Tel repackaging of the Smile material sold on local television.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 21, 2013, 01:44:31 PM
On the contrary, Brian's solo career is a pale shadow of his work with the Beach Boys, and is frequently embarrassing and often outright appalling.

The only time he ever really re-captured the old magic is when he returned to Pet Sounds and Smile.

Otherwise it's almost all entirely lame. His debut album has a handful of decent songs, but even those are spoilt by the atrocious production.

Gershwin and Disney were both lazy covers albums. The Christmas album was breathtakingly dreadful. Gettin' In Over My Head was almost as bad. Orange Crate Art is boring.

That Lucky Old Sun is a rare bright spot, but even that is wildly over-rated by fans, their sympathy and goodwill towards Brian causing them to over-value what is basically a solid album, but nothing like a classic.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 21, 2013, 01:49:07 PM
I don't get why people who didn't know Dennis Wilson insist on calling him Denny.

I don't get why people who don't know Michael Love insist on calling him Mike

I don't get why people who don't know Alan Jardine insist on calling him Al

I don't get why people who don't know Bruce Johnston insist on calling him Historical

That's nothing. I was on a Beatles forum recently and everyone kept referring to Richard Starkey as Ringo! As if they bloody knew him or something...


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Wirestone on June 21, 2013, 01:53:31 PM
Touched a nerve there, huh, guys?

To me, the sound of Brian Wilson untethered to the atrocious production and marketing gimmicks of the post Endless Summer group is nothing less than hearing a modern American musical titan finally free. Free to express music that his band would never countenance. And free to attract an audience that enjoys his music for what it is -- modern American masterpieces -- rather than the lifestyle marketing ploy his cousin and assorted hangers-on want it to signify.

And of course his voice is reduced, and of course he turns to others for support. But that makes his accomplishments even greater and more precious. Here's the truth. I would trade the entire Beach Boys discography for Brian Wilson's four solo albums of original compositions. Brian Wilson (88), Imagination (98), Gettin' In Over My Head (04) and That Lucky Old Sun (08) are, to me, the truly canonical and irreplaceable creations of this timeless musical force. They have everything I like about Brian Wilson's music with precious little of the dross that so often accompanies it.

And that sounds like a joke, but it's actually not.

...

...

...

Well, actually it's a little bit of joke. I'd have to add the covers records, OCA, and the Wilsons albums too. And the Paley sessions.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 21, 2013, 01:59:36 PM
Touched a nerve there, huh, guys?

To me, the sound of Brian Wilson untethered to the atrocious production and marketing gimmicks of the post Endless Summer group is nothing less than hearing a modern American musical titan finally free. Free to express music that his band would never countenance. And free to attract an audience that enjoys his music for what it is -- modern American masterpieces -- rather than the lifestyle marketing ploy his cousin and assorted hangers-on want it to signify.

And of course his voice is reduced, and of course he turns to others for support. But that makes his accomplishments even greater and more precious. Here's the truth. I would trade the entire Beach Boys discography for Brian Wilson's four solo albums of original compositions. Brian Wilson (88), Imagination (98), Gettin' In Over My Head (04) and That Lucky Old Sun (08) are, to me, the truly canonical and irreplaceable creations of this timeless musical force. They have everything I like about Brian Wilson's music with precious little of the dross that so often accompanies it.

And that sounds like a joke, but it's actually not.

Personally I couldn't care less if you do or don't love Brian's solo work. I just disagree - I think most of it's crap. No nerves touched.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Jason on June 21, 2013, 02:03:48 PM
Touched a nerve there, huh, guys?

To me, the sound of Brian Wilson untethered to the atrocious production and marketing gimmicks of the post Endless Summer group is nothing less than hearing a modern American musical titan finally free. Free to express music that his band would never countenance. And free to attract an audience that enjoys his music for what it is -- modern American masterpieces -- rather than the lifestyle marketing ploy his cousin and assorted hangers-on want it to signify.

And of course his voice is reduced, and of course he turns to others for support. But that makes his accomplishments even greater and more precious. Here's the truth. I would trade the entire Beach Boys discography for Brian Wilson's four solo albums of original compositions. Brian Wilson (88), Imagination (98), Gettin' In Over My Head (04) and That Lucky Old Sun (08) are, to me, the truly canonical and irreplaceable creations of this timeless musical force. They have everything I like about Brian Wilson's music with precious little of the dross that so often accompanies it.

And that sounds like a joke, but it's actually not.

Personally I couldn't care less if you do or don't love Brian's solo work. I just disagree - I think most of it's crap. No nerves touched.

+1


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Don Malcolm on June 21, 2013, 02:44:44 PM
Wow, guys. I have never seen so many people so COMPLETELY WRONG about anything and everything to do with the BBs!!! :spin

Seriously--great work, even though I'm convinced that at least half of you don't actually hold the opinions you are expressing...

What we need NOW is a way to determine what the most popular "unpopular" opinons are...
:jedi


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on June 21, 2013, 02:52:27 PM
I'm convinced that at least half of you don't actually hold the opinions you are expressing...

So when I say I hate everything they did after Surfin' Safari, you don't believe me? Outrageous!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Wirestone on June 21, 2013, 03:32:43 PM
I'm convinced that at least half of you don't actually hold the opinions you are expressing...

So when I say I hate everything they did after Surfin' Safari, you don't believe me? Outrageous!

Can I also say that I believe Gettin' In Over My Head is Brian's best and most characteristic solo album?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: rab2591 on June 21, 2013, 03:40:56 PM
Touched a nerve there, huh, guys?

To me, the sound of Brian Wilson untethered to the atrocious production and marketing gimmicks of the post Endless Summer group is nothing less than hearing a modern American musical titan finally free. Free to express music that his band would never countenance. And free to attract an audience that enjoys his music for what it is -- modern American masterpieces -- rather than the lifestyle marketing ploy his cousin and assorted hangers-on want it to signify.

And of course his voice is reduced, and of course he turns to others for support. But that makes his accomplishments even greater and more precious. Here's the truth. I would trade the entire Beach Boys discography for Brian Wilson's four solo albums of original compositions. Brian Wilson (88), Imagination (98), Gettin' In Over My Head (04) and That Lucky Old Sun (08) are, to me, the truly canonical and irreplaceable creations of this timeless musical force. They have everything I like about Brian Wilson's music with precious little of the dross that so often accompanies it.

And that sounds like a joke, but it's actually not.

...

...

...

Well, actually it's a little bit of joke. I'd have to add the covers records, OCA, and the Wilsons albums too. And the Paley sessions.

Amen.

Honestly, what are Mike and Bruce bringing to the table that is so friggin profound? I mean, I know people here are obsessed with having the Beach Boys name tethered to Brian's new project, but will that do?....Add another shitty song about Beaches? Or another Daybreak (a song I love but that's completely out of place on TWGMTR)? I'll miss their voices as much as the next person, but I know I won't be missing any thunderous artistic statement from Mike and Co.

I like Brian when he's completely free of the endless summer. He's more honest and open with his songwriting. There are many people out there who care about hearing good music (rather than seeing a silly name attached to a record) that will buy this album in a heartbeat....me included.

*Edit: If Mike has more songs like 'Daybreak', I hope he releases a solo album. That song, though mostly unappreciated here, has good production, good lyrics, and great vocals. It just doesn't fit with Brian's songwriting. Brian and Mike are no longer compatible with each other - so why force them to write together?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: zatch on June 21, 2013, 03:58:13 PM
Touched a nerve there, huh, guys?

To me, the sound of Brian Wilson untethered to the atrocious production and marketing gimmicks of the post Endless Summer group is nothing less than hearing a modern American musical titan finally free. Free to express music that his band would never countenance. And free to attract an audience that enjoys his music for what it is -- modern American masterpieces -- rather than the lifestyle marketing ploy his cousin and assorted hangers-on want it to signify.

And of course his voice is reduced, and of course he turns to others for support. But that makes his accomplishments even greater and more precious. Here's the truth. I would trade the entire Beach Boys discography for Brian Wilson's four solo albums of original compositions. Brian Wilson (88), Imagination (98), Gettin' In Over My Head (04) and That Lucky Old Sun (08) are, to me, the truly canonical and irreplaceable creations of this timeless musical force. They have everything I like about Brian Wilson's music with precious little of the dross that so often accompanies it.

And that sounds like a joke, but it's actually not.

...

...

...

Well, actually it's a little bit of joke. I'd have to add the covers records, OCA, and the Wilsons albums too. And the Paley sessions.

Amen.

Honestly, what are Mike and Bruce bringing to the table that is so friggin profound? I mean, I know people here are obsessed with having the Beach Boys name tethered to Brian's new project, but will that do?....Add another shitty song about Beaches? Or another Daybreak (a song I love but that's completely out of place on TWGMTR)? I'll miss their voices as much as the next person, but I know I won't be missing any thunderous artistic statement from Mike and Co.

I like Brian when he's completely free of the endless summer. He's more honest and open with his songwriting. There are many people out there who care about hearing good music (rather than seeing a silly name attached to a record) that will buy this album in a heartbeat....me included.

*Edit: If Mike has more songs like 'Daybreak', I hope he releases a solo album. That song, though mostly unappreciated here, has good production, good lyrics, and great vocals. It just doesn't fit with Brian's songwriting. Brian and Mike are no longer compatible with each other - so why force them to write together?

*awaits a million thumbs up from OSD*


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: rab2591 on June 21, 2013, 04:25:13 PM
Haha, I'm not anti Mike by any means. I just don't see Brian and Mike as being great collaborators anymore. I'd love for them to prove me wrong, but until then, I won't be complaining about a new Brian Wilson solo album.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Jeff on June 21, 2013, 04:30:18 PM
On the contrary, Brian's solo career is a pale shadow of his work with the Beach Boys, and is frequently embarrassing and often outright appalling.

The only time he ever really re-captured the old magic is when he returned to Pet Sounds and Smile.

Otherwise it's almost all entirely lame. His debut album has a handful of decent songs, but even those are spoilt by the atrocious production.

Gershwin and Disney were both lazy covers albums. The Christmas album was breathtakingly dreadful. Gettin' In Over My Head was almost as bad. Orange Crate Art is boring.

That Lucky Old Sun is a rare bright spot, but even that is wildly over-rated by fans, their sympathy and goodwill towards Brian causing them to over-value what is basically a solid album, but nothing like a classic.

Touched a nerve there, huh, guys?

To me, the sound of Brian Wilson untethered to the atrocious production and marketing gimmicks of the post Endless Summer group is nothing less than hearing a modern American musical titan finally free. Free to express music that his band would never countenance. And free to attract an audience that enjoys his music for what it is -- modern American masterpieces -- rather than the lifestyle marketing ploy his cousin and assorted hangers-on want it to signify.

And of course his voice is reduced, and of course he turns to others for support. But that makes his accomplishments even greater and more precious. Here's the truth. I would trade the entire Beach Boys discography for Brian Wilson's four solo albums of original compositions. Brian Wilson (88), Imagination (98), Gettin' In Over My Head (04) and That Lucky Old Sun (08) are, to me, the truly canonical and irreplaceable creations of this timeless musical force. They have everything I like about Brian Wilson's music with precious little of the dross that so often accompanies it.

And that sounds like a joke, but it's actually not.

...

...

...

Well, actually it's a little bit of joke. I'd have to add the covers records, OCA, and the Wilsons albums too. And the Paley sessions.

Wow.  Talk about opposite ends of the spectrum.  I would bet that 95% or more on this board are somewhere between those two extremes.  But I think there’s good points on both sides.

On the one hand, you could certainly say that BW was “tethered” to unfortunate choices, especially lyrically, up to ’65 and again from ’78 to ’85.  It’s nice to see him lose some of those constraints.

On the other hand, from ’66 to ’77 he had artistic freedom like very very few musicians have ever had.  He was able to spend an extraordinary amount of money on Good Vibrations and the Smile sessions and make idiosyncratic albums like Smiley Smile and Love You.  No way those get released under most artists’ names.  I would also say that the BW of today (and since the 80s) barely resembles the BW of the 60s and early 70s.  He simply does not have anywhere close the same skills in composing, producing or singing.

So it’s kind of hard to understand preferring the latter-day “untethered” BW to the untethered BW of Pet Sounds, Smile, and even Love You.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Wirestone on June 21, 2013, 04:50:42 PM
Yes, but that's a logical and rational reply. I'm talking about crazy, unpopular opinions that have no basis in anything other the fact that I really enjoy hearing a 50-plus year old guy multitrack himself. And bass harmonicas.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on June 21, 2013, 05:38:21 PM
Brian Wilson Presents Smile is akin to a K-Tel repackaging of the Smile material sold on local television.

I don't really understand that analogy.  A K-Tel recording would be low budget and low profile.  Smile was the opposite of both.  I can see after the release of the Smile Sessions feeling Brian's album was unnecessary but this was seven years before, several of the songs had never been heard, new lyrics had been written, and for a long time this was the most complete version of Smile available (I would argue it's still more complete than the Beach Boys version).  I think that's enough to make it pretty legit.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SMiLE Brian on June 21, 2013, 05:40:02 PM
The touring group from 1965 to 1970 was terrible to mediocre live, adding to the BBs downfall since other acts stepped up their game live.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Jason on June 21, 2013, 05:56:15 PM
Brian Wilson Presents Smile is akin to a K-Tel repackaging of the Smile material sold on local television.

I don't really understand that analogy.  A K-Tel recording would be low budget and low profile.  Smile was the opposite of both.  I can see after the release of the Smile Sessions feeling Brian's album was unnecessary but this was seven years before, several of the songs had never been heard, new lyrics had been written, and for a long time this was the most complete version of Smile available (I would argue it's still more complete than the Beach Boys version).  I think that's enough to make it pretty legit.

BWPS does sound like a cheap imitation of the original recordings; it sounds phoned in and plastic. No soul. No feeling. And I felt the same before the box set was released, so that won't work for me.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Michael Edwards Love on June 21, 2013, 06:02:25 PM
'Daybreak Over the Ocean' has the best sounding vocals on TWGMTR and the entire record would sound better if Christian Love and (gasp) Adrian Baker had been called in for the vocal-blend on the Brian tracks.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: rab2591 on June 21, 2013, 06:10:31 PM
'Daybreak Over the Ocean' has the best sounding vocals on TWGMTR and the entire record would sound better if Christian Love and (gasp) Adrian Baker had been called in for the vocal-blend on the Brian tracks.

:thumbsup Agreed.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: zatch on June 21, 2013, 06:11:48 PM
'Daybreak Over the Ocean' has the best sounding vocals on TWGMTR and the entire record would sound better if Christian Love and (gasp) Adrian Baker had been called in for the vocal-blend on the Brian tracks.
I agree, except for Adrian Baker. Christian Love definitely should of been on more of the album.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on June 21, 2013, 06:22:44 PM
Touched a nerve there, huh, guys?

To me, the sound of Brian Wilson untethered to the atrocious production and marketing gimmicks of the post Endless Summer group is nothing less than hearing a modern American musical titan finally free. Free to express music that his band would never countenance. And free to attract an audience that enjoys his music for what it is -- modern American masterpieces -- rather than the lifestyle marketing ploy his cousin and assorted hangers-on want it to signify.

And of course his voice is reduced, and of course he turns to others for support. But that makes his accomplishments even greater and more precious. Here's the truth. I would trade the entire Beach Boys discography for Brian Wilson's four solo albums of original compositions. Brian Wilson (88), Imagination (98), Gettin' In Over My Head (04) and That Lucky Old Sun (08) are, to me, the truly canonical and irreplaceable creations of this timeless musical force. They have everything I like about Brian Wilson's music with precious little of the dross that so often accompanies it.

And that sounds like a joke, but it's actually not.

...

...

...

Well, actually it's a little bit of joke. I'd have to add the covers records, OCA, and the Wilsons albums too. And the Paley sessions.

Amen.

Honestly, what are Mike and Bruce bringing to the table that is so friggin profound? I mean, I know people here are obsessed with having the Beach Boys name tethered to Brian's new project, but will that do?....Add another shitty song about Beaches? Or another Daybreak (a song I love but that's completely out of place on TWGMTR)? I'll miss their voices as much as the next person, but I know I won't be missing any thunderous artistic statement from Mike and Co.

I like Brian when he's completely free of the endless summer. He's more honest and open with his songwriting. There are many people out there who care about hearing good music (rather than seeing a silly name attached to a record) that will buy this album in a heartbeat....me included.

*Edit: If Mike has more songs like 'Daybreak', I hope he releases a solo album. That song, though mostly unappreciated here, has good production, good lyrics, and great vocals. It just doesn't fit with Brian's songwriting. Brian and Mike are no longer compatible with each other - so why force them to write together?
Short answer is the voices. Too much Brian singing lead is too much Brian singing lead. I could care less whether Brian writes with any of the four, but man, Brian's music is so much better with those voices.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on June 21, 2013, 06:26:11 PM
'Daybreak Over the Ocean' has the best sounding vocals on TWGMTR and the entire record would sound better if Christian Love and (gasp) Adrian Baker had been called in for the vocal-blend on the Brian tracks.
I agree, except for Adrian Baker. Christian Love definitely should of been on more of the album.
Christian definitely sounds like Carl in the vocal stack, which is missing on this album. While Jeff is fine on Brian's old parts, he doesn't quite fit with Carl's.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on June 21, 2013, 06:29:36 PM
Brian Wilson Presents Smile is akin to a K-Tel repackaging of the Smile material sold on local television.

I don't really understand that analogy.  A K-Tel recording would be low budget and low profile.  Smile was the opposite of both.  I can see after the release of the Smile Sessions feeling Brian's album was unnecessary but this was seven years before, several of the songs had never been heard, new lyrics had been written, and for a long time this was the most complete version of Smile available (I would argue it's still more complete than the Beach Boys version).  I think that's enough to make it pretty legit.

BWPS does sound like a cheap imitation of the original recordings; it sounds phoned in and plastic. No soul. No feeling. And I felt the same before the box set was released, so that won't work for me.
Now, the live shows are another story. Amazing how different they are, especially using the same musicians.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: smilethebeachboysloveyou on June 21, 2013, 06:41:07 PM
Brian Wilson Presents Smile is akin to a K-Tel repackaging of the Smile material sold on local television.

I don't really understand that analogy.  A K-Tel recording would be low budget and low profile.  Smile was the opposite of both.  I can see after the release of the Smile Sessions feeling Brian's album was unnecessary but this was seven years before, several of the songs had never been heard, new lyrics had been written, and for a long time this was the most complete version of Smile available (I would argue it's still more complete than the Beach Boys version).  I think that's enough to make it pretty legit.

BWPS does sound like a cheap imitation of the original recordings; it sounds phoned in and plastic. No soul. No feeling. And I felt the same before the box set was released, so that won't work for me.

Absolutely.  I was really excited by it when it came out but lost interest within a few months and have hardly played it since.  That's partly unavoidable, since BW's voice was not as good in 2004 as it was in 1967, and he lacked the other voices for which he had originally written the songs.  (On the other hand, BW's vocal performances on every album starting with That Lucky Old Sun have been substantially better than they were on BWPS.)  But what's more surprising is how half-assed the production on the whole album is.  I suspect that the only reason BW and co. bothered to release Gettin' In Over My Head was to deflate expectations so people wouldn't realize how mediocre BWPS really is.

And on the subject of BWPS and unpopular opinions, I'll take this time to say that I really don't understand the obsession that some people seem to have with "suites."  In general, I think BW's writing style is much better suited to writing songs and that the urge to compose an entire album as a single suite has not worked out well for him.  That Lucky Old Sun is a good example: it has some pretty good songs and decent production and vocals, but the effort to unify it, to my mind, fails entirely.  Additionally, as much as I love the songs from Smile, I'm convinced that at least part of the reason that BW could never put it together was the obsession with making it as a giant suite when, in fact, it was all over the place stylistically and lyrically.  The fact that the organization of BWPS is so unsatisfying (with the exception of the middle four songs) would lend credence to this conclusion.  I do like the last set of songs on That's Why God Made the Radio, but I don't think an extended suite would have worked for the whole album.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: rab2591 on June 21, 2013, 06:50:19 PM
If Mike has more songs like 'Daybreak', I hope he releases a solo album. That song, though mostly unappreciated here, has good production, good lyrics, and great vocals. It just doesn't fit with Brian's songwriting. Brian and Mike are no longer compatible with each other - so why force them to write together?
Short answer is the voices. Too much Brian singing lead is too much Brian singing lead. I could care less whether Brian writes with any of the four, but man, Brian's music is so much better with those voices.

Agreed - but with those vocals comes Mike's endless summer...and, as was proven by Beaches in Mind, it doesn't make for good music. But maybe one dud song in trade for amazing vocals is a good bargain...too bad it has to be that way, though.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on June 21, 2013, 07:03:52 PM
If Mike has more songs like 'Daybreak', I hope he releases a solo album. That song, though mostly unappreciated here, has good production, good lyrics, and great vocals. It just doesn't fit with Brian's songwriting. Brian and Mike are no longer compatible with each other - so why force them to write together?
Short answer is the voices. Too much Brian singing lead is too much Brian singing lead. I could care less whether Brian writes with any of the four, but man, Brian's music is so much better with those voices.

Agreed - but with those vocals comes Mike's endless summer...and, as was proven by Beaches in Mind, it doesn't make for good music. But maybe one dud song in trade for amazing vocals is a good bargain...too bad it has to be that way, though.
Well, I happen to like Daybreak and Spring Vacation, so that is not a deal breaker for me. Now, with Beaches In Mind, you got me. ;) Though, I'll be damned if it don't get stuck in my brain and I walk around humming it from time to time.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SMiLE Brian on June 21, 2013, 07:06:33 PM
It would be surreal to hear Mike doing Brian's "edgier" material.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: rab2591 on June 21, 2013, 07:10:04 PM
If Mike has more songs like 'Daybreak', I hope he releases a solo album. That song, though mostly unappreciated here, has good production, good lyrics, and great vocals. It just doesn't fit with Brian's songwriting. Brian and Mike are no longer compatible with each other - so why force them to write together?
Short answer is the voices. Too much Brian singing lead is too much Brian singing lead. I could care less whether Brian writes with any of the four, but man, Brian's music is so much better with those voices.

Agreed - but with those vocals comes Mike's endless summer...and, as was proven by Beaches in Mind, it doesn't make for good music. But maybe one dud song in trade for amazing vocals is a good bargain...too bad it has to be that way, though.
Well, I happen to like Daybreak and Spring Vacation, so that is not a deal breaker for me. Now, with Beaches In Mind, you got me. ;) Though, I'll be damned if it don't get stuck in my brain and I walk around humming it from time to time.

Daybreak is one of my favorite tracks on TWGMTR - but it doesn't fit with the rest of Brian's tunes (maybe it was just the difference in production). And yeah :lol I get that Beaches intro stuck in my head way too often ;D


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: rab2591 on June 21, 2013, 07:12:13 PM
It would be surreal to hear Mike doing Brian's "edgier" material.

I can hear a younger Mike doing a great "Walkin the Line" lead.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Don Malcolm on June 21, 2013, 08:21:54 PM
It would be surreal to hear Mike doing Brian's "edgier" material.

You mean like singing the lead lines of "acid alliteration" lyrics in the closing section of a "back to the beach" classic like "Cabinessence"??  :smokin


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on June 21, 2013, 08:29:41 PM
I guess my unpopular opinion is that I actually prefer some of the material from Brian Wilson's Smile over the Beach Boys Smile Sessions.  Mostly due to the addition of lyrics like I prefer In Blue Hawaii to Love to Say Dada and Song for Children to Look.  But for some reason, I also prefer Brian's solo version of Wind Chimes than the Beach Boys version (actually, another unpopular opinion, I think I prefer the Smiley Smile version to both, I love the eeriness and the guys trading off verses).


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Wirestone on June 21, 2013, 08:43:51 PM
Taken as a whole, BWPS is a very good record. The second suite, the added lyrics in the third -- it's a real accomplishment. Not my favorite BW solo album necessarily, because it really needs so much context to fully understand, and because it's ultimately built upon older and more atmospheric recordngs. But its importance as a personal milestone for BW cannot be overstated.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: phirnis on June 21, 2013, 11:59:34 PM
BWPS worked really well for me at the time but I don't think I'm going to play it again anytime soon. It begins with the overall packaging, which looks incredibly dull and even cheap. Also, why would anyone prefer the solo renditions of Surf's Up, Cabinessence, and H&V over the actual Beach Boys versions? I certainly don't despise this record but to me it's about on the same level as the Christmas album he did.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 22, 2013, 12:07:55 AM
If Mike has more songs like 'Daybreak', I hope he releases a solo album. That song, though mostly unappreciated here, has good production, good lyrics, and great vocals. It just doesn't fit with Brian's songwriting. Brian and Mike are no longer compatible with each other - so why force them to write together?
Short answer is the voices. Too much Brian singing lead is too much Brian singing lead. I could care less whether Brian writes with any of the four, but man, Brian's music is so much better with those voices.

Agreed - but with those vocals comes Mike's endless summer...and, as was proven by Beaches in Mind, it doesn't make for good music. But maybe one dud song in trade for amazing vocals is a good bargain...too bad it has to be that way, though.
Well, I happen to like Daybreak and Spring Vacation, so that is not a deal breaker for me. Now, with Beaches In Mind, you got me. ;) Though, I'll be damned if it don't get stuck in my brain and I walk around humming it from time to time.

Daybreak is one of my favorite tracks on TWGMTR - but it doesn't fit with the rest of Brian's tunes (maybe it was just the difference in production). And yeah :lol I get that Beaches intro stuck in my head way too often ;D

The other day I inadvertently trapped my genitalia in a sock drawer whilst hurriedly getting ready for work. Unpleasant as the crunching sound of my ball bag being squashed 'tween drawer and balsa wood undoubtedly was, it was nevertheless still preferable to listening to Daybreak Over The Ocean, which is one of the most revolting songs in the bands entire canon.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Nicko1234 on June 22, 2013, 12:25:30 AM
I am another of those who hasn't listened to BWPS for many years and I have no plans to listen to it again in the future.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Wirestone on June 22, 2013, 12:57:39 AM
I am another of those who hasn't listened to BWPS for many years and I have no plans to listen to it again in the future.

Try it. You might like it.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on June 22, 2013, 12:58:33 AM

To me, the sound of Brian Wilson untethered to the atrocious production and marketing gimmicks of the post Endless Summer group is nothing less than hearing a modern American musical titan finally free. Free to express music that his band would never countenance. And free to attract an audience that enjoys his music for what it is -- modern American masterpieces -- rather than the lifestyle marketing ploy his cousin and assorted hangers-on want it to signify.

And of course his voice is reduced, and of course he turns to others for support. But that makes his accomplishments even greater and more precious. Here's the truth. I would trade the entire Beach Boys discography for Brian Wilson's four solo albums of original compositions. Brian Wilson (88), Imagination (98), Gettin' In Over My Head (04) and That Lucky Old Sun (08) are, to me, the truly canonical and irreplaceable creations of this timeless musical force. They have everything I like about Brian Wilson's music with precious little of the dross that so often accompanies it.


I'd like to counter with BW88 and Sweet Insanity are the only two semi decent solo albums the man has ever made. Everything else sucks. As bad as much as it was, Imagination was the last record where any... erm.. imagination was shown in making a Brian Wilson solo record. Anything since, be they covers, remakes or originals is the same bunch of guys hired to recreate a pale retread of Brian's Summer Days!(and Summer Nights!)/Pet Sounds phase. I'd say Brian's more boxed in musically now then he ever was as a Beach Boy.

And as for his singing? Yes he's improved since hitting rock bottom with GIOMH but still.... comparatively speaking it now means he's a 4 instead of a 2 out of 10. I've never known another artist to recieve the sympathy vote as much as Brian Wilson does.

So he has maybe 3 new records coming out? I don't need to buy them, I already know how they will sound. 12 piece band playing exactly the same instrument setup as used on Pet Sounds - check. Lyrics that are guaranteed to make reference to his mental history at some point - check. A wordless vocal acapella with Jeff Foskett wailing like a banshee all over it - check.

Sorry but the Brian Wilson Sound has become as much a stale cliche as the Mike Love nasal sung beach song.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: smilethebeachboysloveyou on June 22, 2013, 01:56:53 AM
I'd say Brian's more boxed in musically now then he ever was as a Beach Boy.

You said it.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: phirnis on June 22, 2013, 02:12:16 AM
Mike's Beard, couldn't agree more! BW's solo career has been stale and uninteresting for many years. Can't take any more of the "mental history" stuff, it's making me cringe. That said, I find TLOS and BWRG rather pleasant in spots... but still, nowhere near as good as even later BB material such as the Light Album.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Nicko1234 on June 22, 2013, 03:22:28 AM
I am another of those who hasn't listened to BWPS for many years and I have no plans to listen to it again in the future.

Try it. You might like it.

I tried it when it was released but I can't get past the fact that the songs sounded much better when recording in the 1960s sadly.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Dancing Bear on June 22, 2013, 11:37:17 AM
In general Brian's albums have two great tracks and the rest is so-so. Imagination was his first solo album that I caught in real time as a fan. Then I saw (in amazement) the big hype and euphoria, and got used to it afterwards. Brian's solo releases are a footnote in his career but there's much to be enjoyed.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Jason on June 22, 2013, 11:41:02 AM
I am another of those who hasn't listened to BWPS for many years and I have no plans to listen to it again in the future.

Try it. You might like it.

I tried it when it was released but I can't get past the fact that the songs sounded much better when recording in the 1960s sadly.

+1


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Wirestone on June 22, 2013, 01:42:43 PM

To me, the sound of Brian Wilson untethered to the atrocious production and marketing gimmicks of the post Endless Summer group is nothing less than hearing a modern American musical titan finally free. Free to express music that his band would never countenance. And free to attract an audience that enjoys his music for what it is -- modern American masterpieces -- rather than the lifestyle marketing ploy his cousin and assorted hangers-on want it to signify.

And of course his voice is reduced, and of course he turns to others for support. But that makes his accomplishments even greater and more precious. Here's the truth. I would trade the entire Beach Boys discography for Brian Wilson's four solo albums of original compositions. Brian Wilson (88), Imagination (98), Gettin' In Over My Head (04) and That Lucky Old Sun (08) are, to me, the truly canonical and irreplaceable creations of this timeless musical force. They have everything I like about Brian Wilson's music with precious little of the dross that so often accompanies it.


I'd like to counter with BW88 and Sweet Insanity are the only two semi decent solo albums the man has ever made. Everything else sucks. As bad as much as it was, Imagination was the last record where any... erm.. imagination was shown in making a Brian Wilson solo record. Anything since, be they covers, remakes or originals is the same bunch of guys hired to recreate a pale retread of Brian's Summer Days!(and Summer Nights!)/Pet Sounds phase. I'd say Brian's more boxed in musically now then he ever was as a Beach Boy.

And as for his singing? Yes he's improved since hitting rock bottom with GIOMH but still.... comparatively speaking it now means he's a 4 instead of a 2 out of 10. I've never known another artist to recieve the sympathy vote as much as Brian Wilson does.

So he has maybe 3 new records coming out? I don't need to buy them, I already know how they will sound. 12 piece band playing exactly the same instrument setup as used on Pet Sounds - check. Lyrics that are guaranteed to make reference to his mental history at some point - check. A wordless vocal acapella with Jeff Foskett wailing like a banshee all over it - check.

Sorry but the Brian Wilson Sound has become as much a stale cliche as the Mike Love nasal sung beach song.

If all of BW's post-'91 solo albums actually sounded the same, I would give some credence to your opinion. Given that they don't, I can only infer that you haven't heard them -- and accordingly dismiss your post as the flagrant nonsense it is.

I'd say Brian's more boxed in musically now then he ever was as a Beach Boy.

You said it.

Yes, because having a band made up of people who love and support you, record companies falling over themselves to release your new material, and the creative confidence to make some the most exciting and risk-taking recordings of your career is being boxed in. Heh.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: smilethebeachboysloveyou on June 22, 2013, 04:00:58 PM
I'd say Brian's more boxed in musically now then he ever was as a Beach Boy.

You said it.

Yes, because having a band made up of people who love and support you, record companies falling over themselves to release your new material, and the creative confidence to make some the most exciting and risk-taking recordings of your career is being boxed in. Heh.

I'm not sure that record companies have been falling over themselves to release his new material, but I don't have access to the kind of information to make that judgment.  But one doesn't need pressure from the studio or from bandmates to be boxed in.  Granted, I don't think that all of BW's solo albums sound the same, and I even like some of them.  But is something like In the Key of Disney or even Reimagines Gershwin really your idea of an artist spreading his creative wings?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Wirestone on June 22, 2013, 04:36:29 PM
I'd say Brian's more boxed in musically now then he ever was as a Beach Boy.

You said it.

Yes, because having a band made up of people who love and support you, record companies falling over themselves to release your new material, and the creative confidence to make some the most exciting and risk-taking recordings of your career is being boxed in. Heh.

I'm not sure that record companies have been falling over themselves to release his new material, but I don't have access to the kind of information to make that judgment.  But one doesn't need pressure from the studio or from bandmates to be boxed in.  Granted, I don't think that all of BW's solo albums sound the same, and I even like some of them.  But is something like In the Key of Disney or even Reimagines Gershwin really your idea of an artist spreading his creative wings?

Capitol signed him right up after the BB tour, and as a solo artist. So there's clearly demand for what he's doing these days, and not as a band project. This has not necessarily been true for all of his solo career, but the fact that he has regularly toured and released acclaimed albums has put him in a better position with the business.

As for the Gershwin record, I think it was an ambitious and risky project, yes. It was an album that was explicitly Brian's idea (he'd been mulling it over it for years, and made it a condition of the Disney deal -- they had originally wanted him solely to record the Disney covers record), one on which he selected the material and sequenced the record on his own, and one where he fought with the record company (to keep the female POV vocals in "I Love You Porgy") and won. What's more, he labored mightily for a couple of months over his vocals.

An artist spreading his wings does not mean he has to make an album that's dissonant or unpleasant, or one where he sings like Tom Waits. An artist spreading his wings does not mean he has to collaborate with Rick Rubin or Panda Bear or Daft Punk. Sometimes an artist spreading his wings is making an immaculately tasteful and joyous, yet still experimental and slyly funny, record of pre-rock standards.

The Disney record was a contractual obligation project. It happens. Yet Brian put together a distinctly different, organ-heavy band sound for the record, with a lighter and looser vibe. No, it wasn't his deepest record ever. But it had modest charms of its own, reminding me in a way of Friends.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Wah Wah Wah Ooooo on June 22, 2013, 05:56:12 PM
This is a fun thread to read...here's my likely unpopular opinions (the first is certain to be unpopular)...

-I'd rather listen to BWPS than The Smile Sessions just about any day, though I love both.
-Caroline, No is a very weak track. I skip it every time. Also, the instrumentals on PS are utter crap of an almost embarrassing level.
-C&TP:ST is the groups best album of the 70's, followed by Holland, then Love You, Sunflower (overrated a bit), LA, MIU
-Carl Wilson, while a phenomenal singer, producer, arranger, band leader, was a mediocre at best songwriter.
-Bruce Johnston is at once the weirdest, most annoying, and least talented member of the Beach Boys history.
-It's a really good thing the boys didn't perform at Monterrey Pop...would've been beyond embarrassing.
-Still Cruisin' is a really fun record. I enjoy listening to it In My Car (pun intended).


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: runnersdialzero on June 22, 2013, 06:57:52 PM
you could probably freeze your piss into the shape of a sharp object and then stab someone with your own piss and then the weapon melts and you never get caught. no officer, i didn't stab anyone, search the whole house, you won't find any weapons. you could threaten your enemies and even call it a "pissknife", "pissdagger" or "yellow pissblade of justice" to intimidate them further. i think it would be awesome to stab your enemies with a blade made of your own piss.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Shady on June 22, 2013, 07:13:34 PM
This is a fun thread to read...here's my likely unpopular opinions (the first is certain to be unpopular)...


-Caroline, No is a very weak track. I skip it every time. Also, the instrumentals on PS are utter crap of an almost embarrassing level.


Lord save us.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: zatch on June 22, 2013, 07:56:12 PM
This is a fun thread to read...here's my likely unpopular opinions (the first is certain to be unpopular)...

-I'd rather listen to BWPS than The Smile Sessions just about any day, though I love both.

I agree, but only because it's finished. If they'd finished it in 66/67 and Brian still for whatever reason re-recorded in '04, I'd never even listen to his re-recording.

-Caroline, No is a very weak track. I skip it every time. Also, the instrumentals on PS are utter crap of an almost embarrassing level.

Strongly disagree, on both counts.

-C&TP:ST is the groups best album of the 70's, followed by Holland, then Love You, Sunflower (overrated a bit), LA, MIU

No way. Sunflower, MIU, Love You, So Tough, Holland, LA.

-Carl Wilson, while a phenomenal singer, producer, arranger, band leader, was a mediocre at best songwriter.

Agree, I only like Feel Flows, Long Promised Road, and Heaven.

-Bruce Johnston is at once the weirdest, most annoying, and least talented member of the Beach Boys history.

Meh, I guess. Don't see how Mike is more talented than him though. He is a decent singer and excellent pianist.

-It's a really good thing the boys didn't perform at Monterrey Pop...would've been beyond embarrassing.

Yeah, I kinda agree with that.

-Still Cruisin' is a really fun record. I enjoy listening to it In My Car (pun intended).

Eww...



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: runnersdialzero on June 22, 2013, 08:09:21 PM
Mike is worlds more talented than Bruce in many ways. Look at the number of songs Mike has his name attached to and the nature of those songs and then look at how many Bruce has his attached to and the nature of those songs. I'm not sayin' Bruce is a bad songwriter and I realize many of Mike's co-write credits are for lyrics (although lyrics take a lot of time and skill, too, and I hate when people try to discredit someone on the grounds of "Doesn't he just write lyrics?"), but many are music credits to one extent or another.

Obviously Bruce's got the pianer chops and had (has?) a pretty nice voice way back when, although I might argue that Mike's is pretty distinct and he's great at what he does, too. Bruce did a lot more in the way of production than Mike ever did, too. Y'know. Y'know. In conclusion, both guys have a lot of skillz and worth in their own way.

Believe me, I'd know.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Jason on June 22, 2013, 08:14:28 PM
At least we can rest assured that no one from BRI will issue a cease and desist against you, since Brian (thankfully) never talks like that.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: runnersdialzero on June 22, 2013, 08:20:36 PM
cake

Edit: Wait, I just realized you insulted me. You NITWIT.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Jason on June 22, 2013, 08:32:02 PM
NITWIT? No, no! DRAGONFLY! *hopes people get the reference*


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Dunderhead on June 22, 2013, 09:02:41 PM
I hate every Beach Boys album after Love You. I don't care if there are actually a handful of decent songs on them, I still think they by and large suck the big one.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: zatch on June 22, 2013, 11:05:30 PM
Mike is worlds more talented than Bruce in many ways. Look at the number of songs Mike has his name attached to and the nature of those songs and then look at how many Bruce has his attached to and the nature of those songs. I'm not sayin' Bruce is a bad songwriter and I realize many of Mike's co-write credits are for lyrics (although lyrics take a lot of time and skill, too, and I hate when people try to discredit someone on the grounds of "Doesn't he just write lyrics?"), but many are music credits to one extent or another.

Obviously Bruce's got the pianer chops and had (has?) a pretty nice voice way back when, although I might argue that Mike's is pretty distinct and he's great at what he does, too. Bruce did a lot more in the way of production than Mike ever did, too. Y'know. Y'know. In conclusion, both guys have a lot of skillz and worth in their own way.

Believe me, I'd know.
I agree on all counts.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gertie J. on June 22, 2013, 11:12:08 PM
hi mike where's yer pal bruce?  ;)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: zatch on June 22, 2013, 11:20:44 PM
Right here. :)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on June 23, 2013, 12:40:43 AM


If all of BW's post-'91 solo albums actually sounded the same, I would give some credence to your opinion. Given that they don't, I can only infer that you haven't heard them -- and accordingly dismiss your post as the flagrant nonsense it is.


Firstly my post stated that everything after Imagination (98) sounds the same, so learn to read correctly.

Secondly everything from the Wondermints era does sound the same. No twists or turns. The only suprise now is when Brian actually cuts a decent vocal.

Thirdly anyone who drops a doozy such as "I would trade the entire Beach Boys discography for Brian's 4 solo albums", really has no place being dismissive of others opinions.

 


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 23, 2013, 02:40:47 AM
NITWIT? No, no! DRAGONFLY! *hopes people get the reference*

Flying Tart?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: smilethebeachboysloveyou on June 23, 2013, 04:45:00 AM
-Carl Wilson, while a phenomenal singer, producer, arranger, band leader, was a mediocre at best songwriter.

I think this is an important point.  Even Carl's best songs (from Surf's Up and Holland, mainly) are some of the most overrated BB songs in fan circles and do not compare well with the lesser songs of Dennis, let alone Brian.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on June 23, 2013, 05:12:00 AM
-Carl Wilson, while a phenomenal singer, producer, arranger, band leader, was a mediocre at best songwriter.

I think this is an important point.  Even Carl's best songs (from Surf's Up and Holland, mainly) are some of the most overrated BB songs in fan circles and do not compare well with the lesser songs of Dennis, let alone Brian.

He can hardly be called a phenomenal  arranger either. Or producer.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: phirnis on June 23, 2013, 06:02:48 AM
To me, there are three Carl Wilson songs that are not overrated in any way: Feel Flows, Long Promised Road, and The Trader. Truly phenomenal stuff, hands down. Other than that, he was a competent songwriter at best with occasional glimpses of something a little more than that (Angel Come Home, Heaven, Where I Belong, Like a Brother). By the late 70s his taste in music had become very stale it seems.

As far as production goes, I'd say the most remarkable things he did were 1.) holding together the Sunflower and Holland albums (making each a cohesive listening experience despite the "many cooks" involved), and 2.) the trademark overall sound and arrangement of Feel Flows. Also, I Can Hear Music, while not particularly inventive, does sound absolutely fantastic.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: runnersdialzero on June 23, 2013, 06:13:53 AM
Hey, "I Can hear Music" sounds great. The guy has some good productions to his name. Didn't Carl have a lot to do with the production on Surf's Up, albeit not being sole producer?

Carl wrote about 3-4 songs that are worth more than some bands entire discographies. Even if the guy wasn't churning out album after album of great material like Brian, doesn't that still count/matter?

You write "The Trader", produce "I Can Hear Music" and have dozens upon dozens of absolutely fantastic vocals to your name, you're good in my book. I'm not gonna see a need to slight your work in comparison to two of your peers, one of whom was one of the greatest and most prolific pop songwriters ever (*ahem*), yer doin' fine, Jim.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on June 23, 2013, 06:26:51 AM
I think "Where I Belong" falls into "great" status - the melody, lyrics, Carl's vocal, even the production. And, in my opinion, "Livin' With A Heartache" is a very good, almost great song. With the possible exception of "Goin' On", it might be the best song on Keepin' The Summer Alive.   


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: rab2591 on June 23, 2013, 07:15:38 AM
NITWIT? No, no! DRAGONFLY! *hopes people get the reference*

Please try to understand this before one of us dies


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Bicyclerider on June 23, 2013, 07:38:43 AM
Hey, "I Can hear Music" sounds great. The guy has some good productions to his name. Didn't Carl have a lot to do with the production on Surf's Up, albeit not being sole producer?

Carl wrote about 3-4 songs that are worth more than some bands entire discographies. Even if the guy wasn't churning out album after album of great material like Brian, doesn't that still count/matter?

You write "The Trader", produce "I Can Hear Music" and have dozens upon dozens of absolutely fantastic vocals to your name, you're good in my book. I'm not gonna see a need to slight your work in comparison to two of your peers, one of whom was one of the greatest and most prolific pop songwriters ever (*ahem*), yer doin' fine, Jim.

Since this thread is for unpopular opinions, I might as well put this one out there:  Trader may be the weakest track on Holland - well, next to Beaks of Eagles.  Never really liked it - the overly affected vocal, the lyrics.  Music is solid though.


Carl's production skills were obviously first rate although he only had a brief song writing spurt of any significance.  Feel Flows was definitley a "spurt."  In more ways than one!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 23, 2013, 07:40:57 AM
I think "Where I Belong" falls into "great" status - the melody, lyrics, Carl's vocal, even the production. And, in my opinion, "Livin' With A Heartache" is a very good, almost great song. With the possible exception of "Goin' On", it might be the best song on Keepin' The Summer Alive.  

Agree with all points there, although I'd say both of Carl's KTSA songs trump Goin' On.

And there aint nothing over-rated about Long Promised Road, Feel Flows or Trader. All three of those are amazing songs, really brilliantly crafted works.

Whilst highlighting Carl's numerous merits let's also remember his substantial contribution in keeping their live shows on a level few other bands could ever hope to match, at least until Endless Summer derailed his forward-thinking ambitions.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on June 23, 2013, 08:01:39 AM
Hey, "I Can hear Music" sounds great. The guy has some good productions to his name. Didn't Carl have a lot to do with the production on Surf's Up, albeit not being sole producer?

Carl wrote about 3-4 songs that are worth more than some bands entire discographies. Even if the guy wasn't churning out album after album of great material like Brian, doesn't that still count/matter?

You write "The Trader", produce "I Can Hear Music" and have dozens upon dozens of absolutely fantastic vocals to your name, you're good in my book. I'm not gonna see a need to slight your work in comparison to two of your peers, one of whom was one of the greatest and most prolific pop songwriters ever (*ahem*), yer doin' fine, Jim.

Since this thread is for unpopular opinions, I might as well put this one out there:  Trader may be the weakest track on Holland - well, next to Beaks of Eagles.  Never really liked it - the overly affected vocal, the lyrics.  Music is solid though.


Carl's production skills were obviously first rate although he only had a brief song writing spurt of any significance.  Feel Flows was definitley a "spurt."  In more ways than one!
I love the everything about song, especially the lyric. A song about Manifest Destiny, or more pre-Manifest Destiny and the toll it took on Native Americans. Second part is more about coming to terms with all happened since and moving forward in a more natural way. I found the song very poetic. Probably Rieley's best work with The Beach Boys.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on June 23, 2013, 08:23:28 AM
Hey, "I Can hear Music" sounds great. The guy has some good productions to his name. Didn't Carl have a lot to do with the production on Surf's Up, albeit not being sole producer?

Carl wrote about 3-4 songs that are worth more than some bands entire discographies. Even if the guy wasn't churning out album after album of great material like Brian, doesn't that still count/matter?

You write "The Trader", produce "I Can Hear Music" and have dozens upon dozens of absolutely fantastic vocals to your name, you're good in my book. I'm not gonna see a need to slight your work in comparison to two of your peers, one of whom was one of the greatest and most prolific pop songwriters ever (*ahem*), yer doin' fine, Jim.

I find Carl's production sound rather bland.

I've never really found "I Can Hear Music" all that exciting

Regarding his songs, I love Long Promised Road and The Trader, er....that's about it isn't it?

And only a lunatic would say Carl didn't have a beautiful, and powerful voice (with a few exceptions)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 23, 2013, 08:58:59 AM
Hey, "I Can hear Music" sounds great. The guy has some good productions to his name. Didn't Carl have a lot to do with the production on Surf's Up, albeit not being sole producer?

Carl wrote about 3-4 songs that are worth more than some bands entire discographies. Even if the guy wasn't churning out album after album of great material like Brian, doesn't that still count/matter?

You write "The Trader", produce "I Can Hear Music" and have dozens upon dozens of absolutely fantastic vocals to your name, you're good in my book. I'm not gonna see a need to slight your work in comparison to two of your peers, one of whom was one of the greatest and most prolific pop songwriters ever (*ahem*), yer doin' fine, Jim.

I find Carl's production sound rather bland.

I've never really found "I Can Hear Music" all that exciting

Regarding his songs, I love Long Promised Road and The Trader, er....that's about it isn't it?

And only a lunatic would say Carl didn't have a beautiful, and powerful voice (with a few exceptions)

Er... Feel Flows? (which many (me included) consider his absolute crowning glory, and has many celeb fans - Jarvis Cocker, Super Furry Animals, Cameron Crowe, etc.)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 23, 2013, 09:00:34 AM
Also, didn't Carl co-write I Went To Sleep and Good Timin'? Why the instant assumption that Brian provided all the good stuff with these two gems?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Wirestone on June 23, 2013, 09:03:31 AM
Yes to the second. I'm not aware of him helping with the first. That being said, he did cowrite Our Sweet Love with BW, which is a sorely unappreciated track.

Edit: I guess Carl did cowrite IWTS. Blow me down !


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on June 23, 2013, 09:36:48 AM
Also, didn't Carl co-write I Went To Sleep and Good Timin'? Why the instant assumption that Brian provided all the good stuff with these two gems?

Add River Song and Rainbows to the list. The two most instantly catchy POB tracks have his name as co-writer.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Ovi on June 23, 2013, 09:45:07 AM
Also Dance, Dance, Dance, Friends, Be Here In The Morning, It's About Time and All This Is That.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: bossaroo on June 23, 2013, 10:28:19 AM
I rather dislike I Can Hear Music.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: lee on June 23, 2013, 11:00:34 AM
^ Wow!

I LOVE I Can Hear Music. My favorite vocal by Carl and I dig the production as well. One of my absolute favorite BB recordings.

Carl also produced Time To Get Alone.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Ovi on June 23, 2013, 11:09:47 AM
^ Wow!

I LOVE I Can Hear Music. My favorite vocal by Carl and I dig the production as well. One of my absolute favorite BB recordings.

Absolutely agree. When he sings that "I close my eyes and here it comes agaaain" part....just wow. Sonic heaven to these ears.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: rab2591 on June 23, 2013, 11:21:42 AM
^ Wow!

I LOVE I Can Hear Music. My favorite vocal by Carl and I dig the production as well. One of my absolute favorite BB recordings.

Absolutely agree. When he sings that "I close my eyes and here it comes agaaain" part....just wow. Sonic heaven to these ears.

One of my favorite lead vocals in the Beach Boys catalogue. It's an amazing song.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: runnersdialzero on June 23, 2013, 11:29:35 AM
I rather dislike I Can Hear Music.

But doesn't it SOUND real nice? COME AHN


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Bicyclerider on June 23, 2013, 12:11:33 PM
Also Dance, Dance, Dance, Friends, Be Here In The Morning, It's About Time and All This Is That.

And Your Sweet Love if I remember correctly.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: bossaroo on June 23, 2013, 12:26:59 PM
it's just not a great song in my (unpopular) opinion.


i also find it depressing that they were releasing cover material for a single in 1969, when Brian and the others were perfectly capable of writing excellent originals. a bit like releasing And Then I Kissed Her in 1967. just a huge misstep.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Cabinessenceking on June 23, 2013, 12:57:46 PM
I rather dislike I Can Hear Music.

But doesn't it SOUND real nice? COME AHN

not big fan of the prominent accoustic guitar in that song, but that aside it is a musical gem


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on June 23, 2013, 01:25:06 PM
it's just not a great song in my (unpopular) opinion.


i also find it depressing that they were releasing cover material for a single in 1969, when Brian and the others were perfectly capable of writing excellent originals. a bit like releasing And Then I Kissed Her in 1967. just a huge misstep.
Wasn't Capitol responsible for that and not the Beach Boys?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: phirnis on June 23, 2013, 01:40:07 PM
You can't compare I Can Hear Music with a cover version as unimaginative (if admittedly pleasant) as Then I Kissed Her. Music is probably the best cover they ever did, easily on par with Sloop John B and Do You Wanna Dance.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mendota Heights on June 23, 2013, 01:57:05 PM
ICHM was one of the first songs I ever heard as a kid in the 80's. Gotta love that song.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 23, 2013, 02:15:44 PM
I've no problem with them releasing cover versions as singles just so long as they were good - and I Can Hear Music was great! It vastly improved on the original, and to me was definitely of single quality. Bluebirds Over The Mountain on the other hand... Oh dear.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Nicko1234 on June 23, 2013, 02:23:39 PM
it's just not a great song in my (unpopular) opinion.


i also find it depressing that they were releasing cover material for a single in 1969, when Brian and the others were perfectly capable of writing excellent originals. a bit like releasing And Then I Kissed Her in 1967. just a huge misstep.

Would any of those other original songs on 20/20 really have been bigger hits than I Can Hear Music?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on June 23, 2013, 02:30:37 PM
Carl also produced Time To Get Alone.

No, Brian produced that track. I always preferred the Redwood vocals as well. The Beach Boys version (with vocals produced by Carl) lacks that wonderful harmony in the chorus that completely lifted the track into that magical higher plateau that only Brian could manage. Also the lovely horn solo is missing in the BB version.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: bossaroo on June 23, 2013, 03:50:32 PM
it's just not a great song in my (unpopular) opinion.


i also find it depressing that they were releasing cover material for a single in 1969, when Brian and the others were perfectly capable of writing excellent originals. a bit like releasing And Then I Kissed Her in 1967. just a huge misstep.

Would any of those other original songs on 20/20 really have been bigger hits than I Can Hear Music?

probably not. I'm just saying they were capable of writing and releasing better material. They had one the greatest songwriters alive in the band. The production, arrangement, and vocals are all top-notch on ICHM, but ultimately the song/melody does very little for me. It's just kind of there. And as good as the voices are, there's just something... or someONE rather, missing.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: TimeToGetAlone on June 23, 2013, 04:12:33 PM
I'd take Summer in Paradise over at least 95% of today's top 40 (I find SIP more uninspired and lame than it is irritating)

It's the production and vocals that make the Beach Boys such a good band to listen to, rather than the songwriting (with only Brian's greatest achievements being any exception to this rule).  That's not a knock on the songwriting; I just think those other elements make far more of a tangible difference on the listening experience.  Thinking about it this way, the vast majority of songs I've ever heard would be a-okay with 60s and early 70's Beach Boys vocals and production.

Lyrics are miniscule.  They have to really blatantly stand out as meaningful or dreadful to be a detriment or addition to the song.  The Beach Boys have only rarely reached extremes like these.

I would never tell someone I love listening to Beach Boys unless I know them very well, will never see them again, or know they will either share these sentiments or be entirely indifferent. (not really an opinion, but a way of living!)

"The Beach Boys" is a terribly gimmicky band name.  Probably the worst relative to its musical achievements.

I wish Pet Sounds had more diversity in terms of the vocals. At this point in the band's career they had five great lead vocalists (relative to pretty any other band I can think of) and part of made their mid-period so interesting was how the singing could shift from song to song.  Partly for this reason, I'm most excited to pop in albums like 20/20 and Surf's Up.

Holland is their second most consistently good album, but not their second best.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: rab2591 on June 23, 2013, 04:16:52 PM
I would never tell someone I love listening to Beach Boys unless I know them very well, will never see them again, or know they will either share these sentiments or be entirely indifferent. (not really an opinion, but a way of living!)

At parties and get-togethers, if the subject of music comes up I'll dive right into why The Beach Boys are the greatest band ever. I don't make many friends at parties :-D


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Shady on June 23, 2013, 04:18:54 PM
Man, Carl, Dennis and Pet Sounds are really taking hits in this thread


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: lee on June 23, 2013, 04:22:04 PM
Carl also produced Time To Get Alone.

No, Brian produced that track. I always preferred the Redwood vocals as well. The Beach Boys version (with vocals produced by Carl) lacks that wonderful harmony in the chorus that completely lifted the track into that magical higher plateau that only Brian could manage. Also the lovely horn solo is missing in the BB version.

Ah, so it was the vocals produced by Carl. Thanks for that info. I was just going by the Carl production credit on my vinyl copy of 20/20.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: TimeToGetAlone on June 23, 2013, 04:27:54 PM
I would never tell someone I love listening to Beach Boys unless I know them very well, will never see them again, or know they will either share these sentiments or be entirely indifferent. (not really an opinion, but a way of living!)

At parties and get-togethers, if the subject of music comes up I'll dive right into why The Beach Boys are the greatest band ever. I don't make many friends at parties :-D
One of these days I gotta seize control of the music, play one of their most un-stereotypical songs and never tell a soul what is playing!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: rab2591 on June 23, 2013, 04:28:19 PM
Man, Carl, Dennis and Pet Sounds are really taking hits in this thread

I wanted to cry when someone wrote that the instrumentals on Pet Sounds were "utter crap"

Let's Go Away For Awhile is like the best of Nelson Riddle, Les Baxter, and Burt Bacharach rolled into one. It's a shame that a lot of people don't realize the brilliance of this song. Philip Lambert does a phenomenal job of describing how genius this song is in his Brian Wilson book.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: rab2591 on June 23, 2013, 04:29:35 PM
I would never tell someone I love listening to Beach Boys unless I know them very well, will never see them again, or know they will either share these sentiments or be entirely indifferent. (not really an opinion, but a way of living!)

At parties and get-togethers, if the subject of music comes up I'll dive right into why The Beach Boys are the greatest band ever. I don't make many friends at parties :-D
One of these days I gotta seize control of the music, play one of their most un-stereotypical songs and never tell a soul what is playing!

I did this on a road trip once - I played Cabinessence without telling anyone who it was - blew people's minds :o


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: MBE on June 23, 2013, 05:36:31 PM
Carl also produced Time To Get Alone.

No, Brian produced that track. I always preferred the Redwood vocals as well. The Beach Boys version (with vocals produced by Carl) lacks that wonderful harmony in the chorus that completely lifted the track into that magical higher plateau that only Brian could manage. Also the lovely horn solo is missing in the BB version.
Brian and Carl worked on it. Carl did a lot of the final mix, but Brian did a great vocal lead and background. Great arrangement by him too,


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Pretty Funky on June 23, 2013, 06:11:27 PM
Ok...here goes. :-[

It was great having Dave play the C50. His surf guitar rocked as did his 'Getcha Back' lead. I was a huge supporter of his all things C50 last year and it was great seeing him live for the first time.

But I did not feel comfortable listening to his 'Pet Sounds' onstage, nor the live album version. Perhaps I am spoiled having heard Brians band during the PS live tour, plus of course the original album version.

Can the guitar players among you put me in my place?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: carolinablonde on June 23, 2013, 06:17:27 PM
OK, I'm going for it:

I absolutely love Still Cruisin' and Kokomo.  Before they came out, I had a slight knowledge of The Beach Boys and their music (my mom was, and still is a huge fan and had introduced me to some of the early hits), but once Kokomo came out, I fell in love with them.  Still Crusin' was the first Beach Boys album I owned, therefore I still have a soft spot for it, 25+ years later.  I know it's dated, and not the best music in the world...but I was a 9 year old girl when it first came out, and 9 year old girls have never been the best judge of good music.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: sockittome on June 23, 2013, 06:32:08 PM
OK, I'm going for it:

I absolutely love Still Cruisin' and Kokomo.  Before they came out, I had a slight knowledge of The Beach Boys and their music (my mom was, and still is a huge fan and had introduced me to some of the early hits), but once Kokomo came out, I fell in love with them.  Still Crusin' was the first Beach Boys album I owned, therefore I still have a soft spot for it, 25+ years later.  I know it's dated, and not the best music in the world...but I was a 9 year old girl when it first came out, and 9 year old girls have never been the best judge of good music.

I'm completely with you on the appreciation for Still Cruisin' & Kokomo.  I think they're great songs; the Boys could have (and actually have on occasion) done much worse.  Lots of folks 'round these parts would just as soon those two songs never happened.  The main problem, I think, is that Brian was not involved.  Ok, so he wasn't....we need to get over it.  Another problem is that Kokomo got wayyyyy overplayed.  Still Cruisin' certainly didn't.  Doesn't make sense to me.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Shady on June 23, 2013, 06:39:39 PM
OK, I'm going for it:

I absolutely love Still Cruisin' and Kokomo.  Before they came out, I had a slight knowledge of The Beach Boys and their music (my mom was, and still is a huge fan and had introduced me to some of the early hits), but once Kokomo came out, I fell in love with them.  Still Crusin' was the first Beach Boys album I owned, therefore I still have a soft spot for it, 25+ years later.  I know it's dated, and not the best music in the world...but I was a 9 year old girl when it first came out, and 9 year old girls have never been the best judge of good music.

It's not sacrilege to love Kokomo or Still Cruisin (well maybe it is around these parts). Still Crusin is totally irresistible. Bruce and Al steal the show on that song.

My unpopular opinion..

Bruce Springsteen's cover of "When I Grow Up To Be A Man" is kinda better than The Beach Boys version.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Dunderhead on June 23, 2013, 06:42:34 PM
OK, I'm going for it:

I absolutely love Still Cruisin' and Kokomo.  Before they came out, I had a slight knowledge of The Beach Boys and their music (my mom was, and still is a huge fan and had introduced me to some of the early hits), but once Kokomo came out, I fell in love with them.  Still Crusin' was the first Beach Boys album I owned, therefore I still have a soft spot for it, 25+ years later.  I know it's dated, and not the best music in the world...but I was a 9 year old girl when it first came out, and 9 year old girls have never been the best judge of good music.

Still Crusin is totally irresistible.

 :thud


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: sockittome on June 23, 2013, 06:48:11 PM
OK, I'm going for it:

I absolutely love Still Cruisin' and Kokomo.  Before they came out, I had a slight knowledge of The Beach Boys and their music (my mom was, and still is a huge fan and had introduced me to some of the early hits), but once Kokomo came out, I fell in love with them.  Still Crusin' was the first Beach Boys album I owned, therefore I still have a soft spot for it, 25+ years later.  I know it's dated, and not the best music in the world...but I was a 9 year old girl when it first came out, and 9 year old girls have never been the best judge of good music.

Still Crusin is totally irresistible.

 :thud

No, I wouldn't exactly call it a knockout; just a great catchy tune!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Shady on June 23, 2013, 06:49:10 PM
OK, I'm going for it:

I absolutely love Still Cruisin' and Kokomo.  Before they came out, I had a slight knowledge of The Beach Boys and their music (my mom was, and still is a huge fan and had introduced me to some of the early hits), but once Kokomo came out, I fell in love with them.  Still Crusin' was the first Beach Boys album I owned, therefore I still have a soft spot for it, 25+ years later.  I know it's dated, and not the best music in the world...but I was a 9 year old girl when it first came out, and 9 year old girls have never been the best judge of good music.

Still Crusin is totally irresistible.

 :thud

My bad. I was meant to say "Still Crusin is totally irresistible...to everyone but Ted Danson"


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Dunderhead on June 23, 2013, 06:53:35 PM
Your unpopular opinion displeases Becker


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on June 24, 2013, 08:12:17 AM
OK, I'm going for it:

I absolutely love Still Cruisin' and Kokomo.  Before they came out, I had a slight knowledge of The Beach Boys and their music (my mom was, and still is a huge fan and had introduced me to some of the early hits), but once Kokomo came out, I fell in love with them.  Still Crusin' was the first Beach Boys album I owned, therefore I still have a soft spot for it, 25+ years later.  I know it's dated, and not the best music in the world...but I was a 9 year old girl when it first came out, and 9 year old girls have never been the best judge of good music.
I rarely listen to other people's opinions on the likes and dislikes of music. If you like it and it moves you, then it is GOOD, no matter what anyone else thinks.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Smile4ever on June 24, 2013, 08:53:19 AM
Here are a few "unpopular" opinions I hold:

--The Beach Boys have a ton of amazing songs, but almost no good albums.
--Brian is almost entirely to blame for Smile not being released. His vision for the project was insanely ambitious. Facing such a difficult project under the influence of drugs, he did not have the necessary motivation to finish it. If he really wanted Smile to be released--no matter what Mike or the other band members thought of the album--it would have been released. Brian's lack of confidence and technological limitations of the 60s are the primary reasons the project stalled.

And here’s an opinion of mine that is accepted among general fans/critics but not hard core Beach Boy fans:

--Brian Wilson was an absolute musical genius, but the rest of the band--outside of being good singers--had little talent (relative to bands of comparable prestige).  As a collaborative band unit, the Beach Boys can’t even be compared to 60s peers like The Beatles and Rolling Stones. A lot of Beach Boys music can stand proudly in the ring against the all-time pop/rock greats; but all of that music can be categorized as “Brian Wilson featuring The Beach Boys.”


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on June 24, 2013, 09:07:55 AM
--Brian is almost entirely to blame for Smile not being released. His vision for the project was insanely ambitious. Facing such a difficult project under the influence of drugs, he did not have the necessary motivation to finish it. If he really wanted Smile to be released--no matter what Mike or the other band members thought of the album--it would have been released. Brian's lack of confidence and technological limitations of the 60s are the primary reasons the project stalled.

Not unpopular on this site. That's the official party line here. Personally I think there's some truth in all the reasons we've been given.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Jason on June 24, 2013, 09:16:49 AM
--Brian is almost entirely to blame for Smile not being released. His vision for the project was insanely ambitious. Facing such a difficult project under the influence of drugs, he did not have the necessary motivation to finish it. If he really wanted Smile to be released--no matter what Mike or the other band members thought of the album--it would have been released. Brian's lack of confidence and technological limitations of the 60s are the primary reasons the project stalled.

Not unpopular on this site. That's the official party line here. Personally I think there's some truth in all the reasons we've been given.

Yeah, I must agree. Even as an objective, fair and balanced fan of both Brian and the Beach Boys collectively, Brian was the one most responsible for Smile not being released.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Jason on June 24, 2013, 09:18:51 AM
OK, I'm going for it:

I absolutely love Still Cruisin' and Kokomo.  Before they came out, I had a slight knowledge of The Beach Boys and their music (my mom was, and still is a huge fan and had introduced me to some of the early hits), but once Kokomo came out, I fell in love with them.  Still Crusin' was the first Beach Boys album I owned, therefore I still have a soft spot for it, 25+ years later.  I know it's dated, and not the best music in the world...but I was a 9 year old girl when it first came out, and 9 year old girls have never been the best judge of good music.

Kokomo's a classic, plain and simple. There's a reason it was huge. Still Cruisin' is a nice "retro" tune, kind of like a sequel to Getcha Back. Somewhere Near Japan is the big treasure on that album.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on June 24, 2013, 10:01:08 AM
--Brian is almost entirely to blame for Smile not being released. His vision for the project was insanely ambitious. Facing such a difficult project under the influence of drugs, he did not have the necessary motivation to finish it. If he really wanted Smile to be released--no matter what Mike or the other band members thought of the album--it would have been released. Brian's lack of confidence and technological limitations of the 60s are the primary reasons the project stalled.

Not unpopular on this site. That's the official party line here. Personally I think there's some truth in all the reasons we've been given.

Yeah, I must agree. Even as an objective, fair and balanced fan of both Brian and the Beach Boys collectively, Brian was the one most responsible for Smile not being released.

Well, I'm no great Mike fan, but it's been a bit too convenient to blame him all these years. Ultimately the decision was Brian's.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: runnersdialzero on June 24, 2013, 10:05:52 AM
--Brian Wilson was an absolute musical genius, but the rest of the band--outside of being good singers--had little talent (relative to bands of comparable prestige).  As a collaborative band unit, the Beach Boys can’t even be compared to 60s peers like The Beatles and Rolling Stones. A lot of Beach Boys music can stand proudly in the ring against the all-time pop/rock greats; but all of that music can be categorized as “Brian Wilson featuring The Beach Boys.”


Writing and arranging all or the basis of "Little Bird", "Be Still", "Be With Me", "All I Want To Do", "Let The Wind Blow", "Slip On Through", "Got To Know The Woman", "Deirdre", "It's About Time", "Tears In The Morning", "Lady", "Sound Of Free", "A Time To Live In Dreams", "Barbara", "All I Wanna Do", "Forever", "Feel Flows", "Don't Go Near The Water", "Long Promised Road", "Take A Load Off Your Feet", "Disney Girls", "Lookin' At Tomorrow", "All This Is That", "Make It Good", "Cuddle Up", "The Trader", "Big Sur", "Steamboat", "On My Way To Sunny Californ-i-a", "Holy Man", "San Miguel", "4th Of July", "(Wouldn't It Be Nice To) Live Again", "Only With You", "River Song", "Thoughts Of You", "Farewell My Friend", "Forever", "Angel Come Home", "Where I Belong", "Baby Blue", "Getcha Back", "Keepin' The Summer Alive", etc. etc. etc. etc. as well as numerous great production jobs = "little talent".

I realize the songs here vary in quality, but at the very least, I feel they all (as well as other songs written by non-Brians) have something worthwhile to offer. This isn't even including their numerous contributions to Brian's songs. SHEESH.

P.S. What are some bands of "comparable prestige" and why do they matter in this context?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Jason on June 24, 2013, 10:09:49 AM
--Brian is almost entirely to blame for Smile not being released. His vision for the project was insanely ambitious. Facing such a difficult project under the influence of drugs, he did not have the necessary motivation to finish it. If he really wanted Smile to be released--no matter what Mike or the other band members thought of the album--it would have been released. Brian's lack of confidence and technological limitations of the 60s are the primary reasons the project stalled.

Not unpopular on this site. That's the official party line here. Personally I think there's some truth in all the reasons we've been given.

Yeah, I must agree. Even as an objective, fair and balanced fan of both Brian and the Beach Boys collectively, Brian was the one most responsible for Smile not being released.

Well, I'm no great Mike fan, but it's been a bit too convenient to blame him all these years. Ultimately the decision was Brian's.

A simple truth, yet one that eludes even the most perceptive of fans.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Jason on June 24, 2013, 10:23:02 AM
--Brian Wilson was an absolute musical genius, but the rest of the band--outside of being good singers--had little talent (relative to bands of comparable prestige).  As a collaborative band unit, the Beach Boys can’t even be compared to 60s peers like The Beatles and Rolling Stones. A lot of Beach Boys music can stand proudly in the ring against the all-time pop/rock greats; but all of that music can be categorized as “Brian Wilson featuring The Beach Boys.”

I don't know if I'd say that the others had little talent outside of being good singers.

Dennis may not have been a technically "great" drummer like a Ginger Baker, Keith Moon, or John Bonham, but can you really imagine anyone else drumming for them back in their heyday? Dennis had the power that the music demanded. His later skills as a songwriter and producer are second only to Brian's.

There's much to say now about Michael being "untalented" (usually from revisionist Brianistas who have semen-stained copies of the Leaf toilet paper), but there's a reason Brian wanted him as the frontman and never had him replaced. Michael is one of the best frontmen ever in rock music.

Bruce was hired by Columbia Records as a producer for a very good reason - Columbia Records (the label who, at the time, had former and current ranks consisting of Frank Sinatra, Miles Davis, Tony Bennett, and Duke Ellington among many others) didn't just hire ANYONE to be on their production staff. To claim the guy is untalented is just ignorant in the extreme. But hey, that's what this thread is for, right?

Blondie and Ricky were already established pop stars in South Africa. I wouldn't exactly call them untalented either instrumentally or vocally.

David's a fine guitarist and vocalist. True, he developed that talent largely outside of the Beach Boys, but that doesn't change anything.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Dunderhead on June 24, 2013, 10:32:26 AM
I think, on the most basic level, Brian was simply overwhelmed by all the possibilities his imagination was suggesting to him in that period. He had more ideas than hours in the day to record them. Further complicating things were all the resources he had at his disposal. He had carte blanche to do whatever he wanted, seemingly unlimited funds, the latest and greatest equipment and the newest and coolest instruments on the market, half a dozen legendary studios to record at, and an army of professional musicians at his beck and call every hour of every day.

There's a misconception that the artist begins with nothing, with a blank slate or blank canvas, and from there creates *something*. That he moves from zero to infinity in his artistic process. That's really not the case though. The artist begins with an infinite number of possibilities, and from there he has to limit himself down to one. That self-limitation is incredibly difficult though when you're an ambitious young artist hitting your peak, you naturally want to include everything and somehow capture that whole infinity your intuiting. It's here I think Brian went off the rails, and why he moved to the home studio. He had too many options. Too many colors to paint with. The home studio was an artificial self constraint he imposed upon himself simply to remove the temptations he was being confronted with.

In a sense it was Brian's fault Smile wasn't finished. It's hard to say where precisely he went wrong, or what he might have done to overcome the issues he was facing though. Part of the problem I think stemmed from a lack of emotional self-awareness, but another part was likely also a lack of technical ability. Brian was (and perhaps still is) a very gifted musician, but unlike composers of the 19th century, he never received the sort of formal training one requires for high level artistic mastery. There was essentially only so much he could learn on his own and through experience, and in the smile period he began to hit a brick wall in terms of the amount of articulation his technical skill-sets allowed at that degree of refinement he had managed to bring them to.

However, I think it was the pressure put on him by Mike and the rest of the group that really drove these underlying frustrations home. They were simmering in the pot, and it was the heat they added that really brought the whole situation to a boil. It's useless to say who truly was at fault. Whether or not anyone interfered with him or pressured him I believe is irrelevant, Brian would not have been able to complete Smile regardless. Mike and the other band members may have brought things to head more quickly than they otherwise would have been certainly, but if it hadn't of been them, it would have only been something else that eventually catalysed Brian's abandonment of the project. To finish Smile it would have taken greater powers than Brian actually possessed, an emotional strength that only Brian Wilson was in any position to ultimately gift. It would have taken a recognition of his own limitations and weaknesses. What was needed, ultimately, was the renunciation of all those unfulfillable aspirations he had to realize the infinite for the sake of realizing the finite and definite artwork he was actually capable of, and that sort of sacrifice was simply beyond him both intellectually and emotionally.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on June 24, 2013, 10:33:42 AM
(usually from revisionist Brianistas who have semen-stained copies of the Leaf toilet paper)

I thought I'd found all those cameras.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: clack on June 24, 2013, 10:49:56 AM
Here are a few "unpopular" opinions I hold:



--Brian Wilson was an absolute musical genius, but the rest of the band--outside of being good singers--had little talent (relative to bands of comparable prestige).  As a collaborative band unit, the Beach Boys can’t even be compared to 60s peers like The Beatles and Rolling Stones. A lot of Beach Boys music can stand proudly in the ring against the all-time pop/rock greats; but all of that music can be categorized as “Brian Wilson featuring The Beach Boys.”

Could you name any other 60's band with six singer songwriters? (People talk about the Buffalo Springfield and Moby Grape with 4 singer-songwriters each as being enormously talented).


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: shelter on June 24, 2013, 11:47:29 AM
--Brian Wilson was an absolute musical genius, but the rest of the band--outside of being good singers--had little talent (relative to bands of comparable prestige).  As a collaborative band unit, the Beach Boys can’t even be compared to 60s peers like The Beatles and Rolling Stones. A lot of Beach Boys music can stand proudly in the ring against the all-time pop/rock greats; but all of that music can be categorized as “Brian Wilson featuring The Beach Boys.”


Dennis: Talented singer, songwriter and producer. Powerful drummer and competent piano player. Co-wrote You Are So Beautiful, a pop classic. Made a highly acclaimed solo album. Wrote Forever, Little Bird, Lady, River Song, Baby Blue. Starred in an excellent movie.

Carl: Excellent singer. Could produce. Played lead guitar in a world famous band at age 15. Wrote Long Promised Road, Feel Flows, Trader.

Mike: Co-wrote and sang lead on most of their classic hits. Wrote Big Sur.

Al: Sang lead on a US #1 hit and two UK top 5 hits. Wrote Lady Lynda (UK #7). Competent guitarist and producer.

Bruce: Wrote a Grammy Award winning song. Was a succesful singer, session musician and producer even before he became a Beach Boy. Excellent pianist.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Dunderhead on June 24, 2013, 12:21:11 PM
Dennis: Talented singer, songwriter and producer. Powerful drummer and competent piano player. Co-wrote You Are So Beautiful, a pop classic. Made a highly acclaimed solo album. Wrote Forever, Little Bird, Lady, River Song, Baby Blue. Starred in an excellent movie.

Forever is one of the most overrated songs in the entire BB canon. It's a nice enough song, but of the Sunflower tracks, Slip On Through is the superior Dennis song with Forever ranking nearer Our Sweet Love or Tears In The Morning (I like both of those songs though admittedly).

Little Bird is one of my favorite BB tracks on the other hand, but though Dennis may have written it, I can't help but get the impression that Brian lent more than a helping hand on the arrangement and production, which is really what makes the whole thing work as well as it does.

Lady is a total dud.

I mean, I agree Dennis is a wonderfully talented part of the band, but I don't think you're making the most convincing case.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Ovi on June 24, 2013, 12:31:58 PM
Can't believe that anyone has to even make a case as to why Dennis had more than "little talent".


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Smile4ever on June 24, 2013, 12:34:30 PM
--Brian Wilson was an absolute musical genius, but the rest of the band--outside of being good singers--had little talent (relative to bands of comparable prestige).  As a collaborative band unit, the Beach Boys can’t even be compared to 60s peers like The Beatles and Rolling Stones. A lot of Beach Boys music can stand proudly in the ring against the all-time pop/rock greats; but all of that music can be categorized as “Brian Wilson featuring The Beach Boys.”


Writing and arranging all or the basis of "Little Bird", "Be Still", "Be With Me", "All I Want To Do", "Let The Wind Blow", "Slip On Through", "Got To Know The Woman", "Deirdre", "It's About Time", "Tears In The Morning", "Lady", "Sound Of Free", "A Time To Live In Dreams", "Barbara", "All I Wanna Do", "Forever", "Feel Flows", "Don't Go Near The Water", "Long Promised Road", "Take A Load Off Your Feet", "Disney Girls", "Lookin' At Tomorrow", "All This Is That", "Make It Good", "Cuddle Up", "The Trader", "Big Sur", "Steamboat", "On My Way To Sunny Californ-i-a", "Holy Man", "San Miguel", "4th Of July", "(Wouldn't It Be Nice To) Live Again", "Only With You", "River Song", "Thoughts Of You", "Farewell My Friend", "Forever", "Angel Come Home", "Where I Belong", "Baby Blue", "Getcha Back", "Keepin' The Summer Alive", etc. etc. etc. etc. as well as numerous great production jobs = "little talent".

I realize the songs here vary in quality, but at the very least, I feel they all (as well as other songs written by non-Brians) have something worthwhile to offer. This isn't even including their numerous contributions to Brian's songs. SHEESH.

P.S. What are some bands of "comparable prestige" and why do they matter in this context?

Prestige is not the right word. But I mentioned The Beatles and Rolling Stones as being in a comparable category to the Beach Boys. I'd have to think about which other bands would fit in there, but you get the idea.

I'm not saying the group had no talent. And I know they all played a part in influencing the band's music (Mike as lyricist/frontman, Carl and David with rock n roll guitars, etc.). But relative to other elite bands with more balanced collaborative approaches, the Beach Boys consisted of one genius surrounded by a group of competent musicians. Many non-Brian songs were definitely good. But almost none of them reached the artistic zenith of Brian's compositions. That even includes Sunflower, which although it could be argued is certainly one of the band's best albums, doesn't have individual songs which demonstrate the same level of dexterity as Brian's work. Once again, the band was capable of creating good music, but it simply didn't reach the same level of quality as the Brian-directed incarnation. Let me put it another way. The reason The Beach Boys can be mentioned in the sentence as The Beatles is due solely to Brian Wilson.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Smile4ever on June 24, 2013, 12:41:31 PM
Dr. John Becker, I agree with your assessment of Smile. The project was simply too overwhelming to even produce, especially considering Brian's limits, and those of 1960s technology itself.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 24, 2013, 12:45:12 PM
I think the latter was key...I think even if Brian didn't have a breakdown, he wouldn't have been able to complete Smile due to the technological limitations of the time. Hell, my personal belief has long been that Brian realized that at some point, and that kind of led him down that slippery slope.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Shady on June 24, 2013, 12:47:55 PM
I remember reading a theory on here that Brian canned Smile because he thought it was garbage.

I think that's not very far fetched


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Dunderhead on June 24, 2013, 12:51:27 PM
I remember reading a theory on here that Brian canned Smile because he thought it was garbage.

I think that's not very far fetched

I think he began to tell himself and convince himself that it was garbage. I don't think he wanted to think that way, but that he simply had to in order to escape the gravitational pull the project had come to exert upon him.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: shelter on June 24, 2013, 12:52:52 PM
Forever is one of the most overrated songs in the entire BB canon. It's a nice enough song, but of the Sunflower tracks, Slip On Through is the superior Dennis song with Forever ranking nearer Our Sweet Love or Tears In The Morning (I like both of those songs though admittedly).
That's your opinion. I think it's not just one of Dennis' best songs, but one of the best songs The Beach Boys ever recorded.
Lady is a total dud.
Again, that's your opinion. I think it's a brilliant song.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Dunderhead on June 24, 2013, 12:54:15 PM
Forever is one of the most overrated songs in the entire BB canon. It's a nice enough song, but of the Sunflower tracks, Slip On Through is the superior Dennis song with Forever ranking nearer Our Sweet Love or Tears In The Morning (I like both of those songs though admittedly).
That's your opinion. I think it's not just one of Dennis' best songs, but one of the best songs The Beach Boys ever recorded.
Lady is a total dud.
Again, that's your opinion. I think it's a brilliant song.

It goes without saying it's my opinion...I mean, need I point to the title of the thread here? I know a lot of people will definitely disagree with me here, but I feel like there are probably other fans out there who are as lukewarm on Forever as I am but rarely speak up about it because of the canonical status granted it.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SMiLE Brian on June 24, 2013, 12:57:56 PM
BW's movie should be about the rise and fall of SMiLE. It would be a classic if the screen writers could express all the factors in the collapse of the album and BW's fall.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: rab2591 on June 24, 2013, 01:12:00 PM
BW's movie should be about the rise and fall of SMiLE. It would be a classic if the screen writers could express all the factors in the collapse of the album and BW's fall.

I really hope it's about different eras of his life. SMiLE era is cool and all, but I'd rather see more focus on '77-'78 Brian: Imagine him pounding away on a farty synth, belting out unintelligible cocaine addled words - all of this booming out of 8 story theatre speakers.

I hope the message of the film is that he brought happiness and joy to millions and millions of people - which brought him pain and confusion - but he started using music to heal himself.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on June 24, 2013, 02:06:28 PM
It will be about different aspects of his life, hence why Paul Dano and John Cusack are both playing him.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Nicko1234 on June 24, 2013, 02:23:45 PM
The reason The Beach Boys can be mentioned in the sentence as The Beatles is due solely to Brian Wilson.

Of course. But it doesn't mean the other band members had 'little talent' as you put it.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on June 24, 2013, 02:33:46 PM
Back to unpopular opinions.

Carl looked grouchy after he'd grown that beard.

His only good songs were Angel Come Home, Livin' With A Heartache, and Heaven, and none of them are as good as Surf Jam!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on June 24, 2013, 02:42:10 PM
It will be about different aspects of his life, hence why Paul Dano and John Cusack are both playing him.

Not if Dano plays him in '66 and Cusack plays him in '67. Or if they keep swopping around. Or if there's two Brians at once. Wacky eh? Maybe I should write the screenplay


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Smile4ever on June 24, 2013, 03:38:07 PM
The reason The Beach Boys can be mentioned in the sentence as The Beatles is due solely to Brian Wilson.

Of course. But it doesn't mean the other band members had 'little talent' as you put it.

Yeah but I meant "little" relative to the more collaborative outputs of most other comparable groups.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Smile4ever on June 24, 2013, 03:39:18 PM
It will be about different aspects of his life, hence why Paul Dano and John Cusack are both playing him.

Not if Dano plays him in '66 and Cusack plays him in '67. Or if they keep swopping around. Or if there's two Brians at once. Wacky eh? Maybe I should write the screenplay

Sounds like a screenplay Brian himself would have written circa 1967.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Dunderhead on June 24, 2013, 03:42:49 PM
I really dislike overreaching biopics, biopics that try to cram too long a period into a single film and struggle to maintain any semblance of continuity by means of increasingly crappy makeup jobs.

Lawrence of Arabia really works because it doesn't overextend in hopelessly trying to portray every significant event of his life from cradle to grave. I just hate movies that do that. Everything is cramped and disconnected, months and even years pass between scenes with little indication to the viewer as to how much time is supposed to have gone by besides some subtle, neigh imperceptible makeup tweaks. Even good biopics that go this route suffer enormously from biting off much more than they can chew, like Gandhi. As good of a film as Gandhi is, it really lacks an internal sense of coherency, the first time I saw it I really didn't understand that many of the early scenes were still supposed to be in South Africa.

I think the trick is, as shown by Lawrence of Arabia, is to make a single, digestible stretch of time symbolic of the entire life of the individual. The problem tends to be that some viewers are very literal, and frankly small minded, and get upset if every important event of the individual's experiences isn't portrayed in turn. That's ultimately why I have little faith in a Brian Wilson biopic that tries to overdiversify.

If you just made a movie about the Smile period, or the mid-70s, or the first or second Landy eras, if you focused exclusively on one of those periods you'd have some contingent of fans showing up to express dissatisfaction *this* event wasn't given any screen time, or that the events of *that* period weren't depicted. To be honest, I would be exceedingly happy with any of the above films, and I would rather have a single good movie focusing on just one of the periods than one watered down bad one that tried too hard to accommodate everything. To do otherwise is putting too much emphasis on the parts and not enough on the whole.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: ontor pertawst on June 24, 2013, 03:48:38 PM
I have to agree with you on those points. I was initially worried when I heard it was the screenwriter of "I'm Not There" and could picture a similar effort falling flat. Well, the critics would love it but I'd get bored after working out the references and injokes. Miranda Richardson as Murry Wilson. Richard Gere as Mike AND Stan Love having conversations with himself. God, I'm tired of irony and tricksy this or that. Just tell a good story about characters I care about!

 But he also worked on "Rampart" with James Ellroy and that was a nice small, effective character piece. The casting seems encouraging.

My vote (that nobody sane would care about) is definitely for a Smile or Landyfication feature, you could really focus and even an idiot executive could sigh and burble on nonsensically about the "character arc" as if they understand a fuckin' thing about writing.

 But those movies won't be made until everybody is dead.

This movie is going to practically saint Brian, combined with the memoirs and media barrage turning him into even more of a cartoon idiot savant character that will reduce the Mike and Bruce Boosters to frothing rage for years to come. You guys complained about David Leaf? You're about to get that times ten. Well, you'll always have the Stamos version.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SMiLE Brian on June 24, 2013, 04:03:07 PM
Bring on the sainthood of BW!!! :lol


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: ontor pertawst on June 24, 2013, 04:04:26 PM
I'll sell you some of his beard hair from 1976. I'm told it can heal the sick.

I guess you'd have to chew it or something.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Smile4ever on June 24, 2013, 04:16:28 PM
I never realized Jeff Foskett was somehow unpopular until reading these boards.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Wirestone on June 24, 2013, 04:27:58 PM
He's not. There's just a half dozen guys who really, really, really don't like him.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: ontor pertawst on June 24, 2013, 04:44:08 PM
That's because when he stays at their house, he pisses the couch and then turns the cushions over and pretends it's a "joke" if they call him on it. Well, I'm calling him on it.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on June 24, 2013, 04:59:58 PM
Poppy's been sloppy.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Wirestone on June 24, 2013, 05:59:16 PM
Poppy's been sloppy.

Tee-hee.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Bean Bag on June 24, 2013, 08:24:04 PM
Speaking of production, I think Imagination is WAY closer to Pet Sounds than anything Brian did in the period between those records.  It and BW88 are night and day.  They've both got some great songs on it but BW88 is probably the most dated sounding album in the band's entire catalog.  And that was 1988 (not 1983)!  Those Linn drums were ALREADY dated by then.  Comparatively, Imagination gets knocked for it's "Adult Contemporary" sound.  I must ask if the critics in that camp think "Let's Go Away For A While" is a Rock song?  Clarinets, stacked, on key vocals (albeit produced within an inch of their lives but I don't care).  Classic melodies from the prime of Brian's life like "Sherry She Needs Me", "Let Him Run Wild", "My Solution".  Yeah.  It may have lacked the inventiveness of "Rio Grande" but it didn't have any really dumb lyrics either.  The best stuff on BW88 had more to do with the collaborators than Brian.

Well said! Totally agree!!  :pirate  Great point about how many overlook/excuse/tolerate BW88's production, while others can't get over Imagination's "slickness."  If it's the same people... they got some 'splainin to do!

Dennis was a PALE shadow of his former greatness (which even at his peak could rival Bruce in terms of sheer schlockiness!) by the time of Endless Summer.  It's a shame but that's how it is to me (remember these are all opinions, and unpopular ones, at that).  Worse, his voice practically ruins his contributions to MIU and LA.  The only reason they stand out is that most of the other stuff is rehashed, boring, or both.  I really do wish Mike had gotten the boot at some point and been replaced by Dennis and I wish Dennis would have followed doctors' order and healed his GD voice!  Like David, Dennis went under-appreciated for too long but I feel the pendulum has swung just a bit too far in his favor lately.  Serious talent, seriously wasted by the end.

Yeah... good points.  I think, unlike Brian, Denny didn't have his childhood to explore and grow his muse and musical abilities.  He spent it other ways!  But he eventually learned on the job... in public.  As you might expect, some of his stuff as a result, is both sophomoric and brilliant at the same time.

The thing about him is, he had a narrative -- a well of deep emotions that inspired him.  As did Brian.  The sh-t you can't buy or teach.  But Brian had a super brain to sort out the crazy mathematical harmonies.  Denny's was an unmanned fire hose, flappin' on the street.  When he was in command of it, his stuff really stood out from the rest.  Makes you stop what you're doing and go "... what is this?"


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Phoenix on June 24, 2013, 09:05:36 PM
Speaking of production, I think Imagination is WAY closer to Pet Sounds than anything Brian did in the period between those records.  It and BW88 are night and day.  They've both got some great songs on it but BW88 is probably the most dated sounding album in the band's entire catalog.  And that was 1988 (not 1983)!  Those Linn drums were ALREADY dated by then.  Comparatively, Imagination gets knocked for it's "Adult Contemporary" sound.  I must ask if the critics in that camp think "Let's Go Away For A While" is a Rock song?  Clarinets, stacked, on key vocals (albeit produced within an inch of their lives but I don't care).  Classic melodies from the prime of Brian's life like "Sherry She Needs Me", "Let Him Run Wild", "My Solution".  Yeah.  It may have lacked the inventiveness of "Rio Grande" but it didn't have any really dumb lyrics either.  The best stuff on BW88 had more to do with the collaborators than Brian.

Well said! Totally agree!!  :pirate  Great point about how many overlook/excuse/tolerate BW88's production, while others can't get over Imagination's "slickness."  If it's the same people... they got some 'splainin to do!

Why, thanks!  It's nice to hear I'm not the only one with some of these opinions.  :)



He's not. There's just a half dozen guys who really, really, really don't like him.

 ;D


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Youre Under Arrest on June 25, 2013, 01:30:08 AM
--Brian Wilson was an absolute musical genius, but the rest of the band--outside of being good singers--had little talent (relative to bands of comparable prestige).  As a collaborative band unit, the Beach Boys can’t even be compared to 60s peers like The Beatles and Rolling Stones. A lot of Beach Boys music can stand proudly in the ring against the all-time pop/rock greats; but all of that music can be categorized as “Brian Wilson featuring The Beach Boys.”


Writing and arranging all or the basis of "Little Bird", "Be Still", "Be With Me", "All I Want To Do", "Let The Wind Blow", "Slip On Through", "Got To Know The Woman", "Deirdre", "It's About Time", "Tears In The Morning", "Lady", "Sound Of Free", "A Time To Live In Dreams", "Barbara", "All I Wanna Do", "Forever", "Feel Flows", "Don't Go Near The Water", "Long Promised Road", "Take A Load Off Your Feet", "Disney Girls", "Lookin' At Tomorrow", "All This Is That", "Make It Good", "Cuddle Up", "The Trader", "Big Sur", "Steamboat", "On My Way To Sunny Californ-i-a", "Holy Man", "San Miguel", "4th Of July", "(Wouldn't It Be Nice To) Live Again", "Only With You", "River Song", "Thoughts Of You", "Farewell My Friend", "Forever", "Angel Come Home", "Where I Belong", "Baby Blue", "Getcha Back", "Keepin' The Summer Alive", etc. etc. etc. etc. as well as numerous great production jobs = "little talent".

I realize the songs here vary in quality, but at the very least, I feel they all (as well as other songs written by non-Brians) have something worthwhile to offer. This isn't even including their numerous contributions to Brian's songs. SHEESH.

P.S. What are some bands of "comparable prestige" and why do they matter in this context?

Prestige is not the right word. But I mentioned The Beatles and Rolling Stones as being in a comparable category to the Beach Boys. I'd have to think about which other bands would fit in there, but you get the idea.

I'm not saying the group had no talent. And I know they all played a part in influencing the band's music (Mike as lyricist/frontman, Carl and David with rock n roll guitars, etc.). But relative to other elite bands with more balanced collaborative approaches, the Beach Boys consisted of one genius surrounded by a group of competent musicians. Many non-Brian songs were definitely good. But almost none of them reached the artistic zenith of Brian's compositions. That even includes Sunflower, which although it could be argued is certainly one of the band's best albums, doesn't have individual songs which demonstrate the same level of dexterity as Brian's work. Once again, the band was capable of creating good music, but it simply didn't reach the same level of quality as the Brian-directed incarnation. Let me put it another way. The reason The Beach Boys can be mentioned in the sentence as The Beatles is due solely to Brian Wilson.

But that implies that the Rolling Stones and The Beatles are good bands...

The Beach Boys were robbed of their recognition and few people know of them today outside of the Anglo-sphere. In my opinion, the Beach Boys were the best thing to ever happen to pop but sadly most of the world buys into the dreck that the Rolling Stones and Beatles put out, at which Rolling Stone Magazine completely creams their shorts over and gives 5 out of 5 for everything, even including the Beatles' lame debut album on their top 500.

The world knows The Beach Boys through Brian, yes, but don't be a pleb and think that therefore only makes Brian songs good because they are well known. Don't make me get Piero Scaruffi on you.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on June 25, 2013, 02:44:43 AM
In my opinion, the Beach Boys were the best thing to ever happen to pop but sadly most of the world buys into the dreck that the Rolling Stones and Beatles put out.

Careful, this is the unpopular opinions thread, not the unacceptable opinions thread.

Besides, if someone says they hate the Beatles, they're just pretending or trying to be clever. It's impossible to hate the greatest-musical-geniuses-ever-in-the-universe.   ;)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: The Heartical Don on June 25, 2013, 04:42:41 AM
I'll sell you some of his beard hair from 1976. I'm told it can heal the sick.

I guess you'd have to chew it or something.

Can you make tea from them?

And, not unimportant from a business point of view: can you reproduce them with a 3-D printer?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Nicko1234 on June 25, 2013, 05:39:39 AM

I'm not saying the group had no talent. And I know they all played a part in influencing the band's music (Mike as lyricist/frontman, Carl and David with rock n roll guitars, etc.). But relative to other elite bands with more balanced collaborative approaches, the Beach Boys consisted of one genius surrounded by a group of competent musicians.

How many bands have balanced collaborative approaches? A genuine question. Surely most bands are about 1 or 2 songwriters with the other guys being musicians.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Youre Under Arrest on June 25, 2013, 06:07:59 AM
In my opinion, the Beach Boys were the best thing to ever happen to pop but sadly most of the world buys into the dreck that the Rolling Stones and Beatles put out.

Careful, this is the unpopular opinions thread, not the unacceptable opinions thread.

Besides, if someone says they hate the Beatles, they're just pretending or trying to be clever. It's impossible to hate the greatest-musical-geniuses-ever-in-the-universe.   ;)


You best be joking about the last part, mate.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on June 25, 2013, 07:01:45 AM
In my opinion, the Beach Boys were the best thing to ever happen to pop but sadly most of the world buys into the dreck that the Rolling Stones and Beatles put out.

Careful, this is the unpopular opinions thread, not the unacceptable opinions thread.

Besides, if someone says they hate the Beatles, they're just pretending or trying to be clever. It's impossible to hate the greatest-musical-geniuses-ever-in-the-universe.   ;)



You best be joking about the last part, mate.

I am.......but if I wasn't?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: runnersdialzero on June 25, 2013, 07:06:55 AM
The Beatles and Rolling Stones

Meh.

Quote
I'm not saying the group had no talent.

Just little talent, i.e. almost no talent.

Quote
But relative to other elite bands with more balanced collaborative approaches,

Who cares? Why sit around worrying about what's "elite" or not before forming opinions of it?

Quote
Many non-Brian songs were definitely good. But almost none of them reached the artistic zenith of Brian's compositions.

Again, who cares? It's like you're dismissing things solely on the grounds of "It's not as good as Brian Wilson". a) What is? and b) Why does it matter? Like what you like and enjoy the music, don't sit there almost liking something and then saying "It's not as good as the greatest song ever written. It's no good. It's not elite. It doesn't reach the artistic zenith of Brian Wilson's compositions."

Quote
The reason The Beach Boys can be mentioned in the sentence as The Beatles is due solely to Brian Wilson.

Again, why should the Beatles matter at all in all this? Why should every conversation about music turn into a discussion about the Beatles? "Hey man, check out this new band, I really think you're gonna like..." "ARE THEY THE BEATLES?" "Uh, no, they..." "DO THEY REACH THE ARTISTIC ZENITH OF THE BEATLES' BEST COMPOSITIONS?" "I don't know, you'd have to..." "THEN f*** OFF."

And naw. When you consider their formative years, Mike's lyrics were essential to them gaining a fanbase which, I'd bet my eyeballs, helped pave the road for Brian to grow as an artist. Dennis, I'd say, got Mike started on that path. The other guys' contributions varied and helped the band along later on, and certainly Mike and Dennis contributed different things all their own later on.

Sorry if any of this came off as particularly nasty, I didn't mean for it to, I just can't follow the logic behind this kind of stuff. It almost feels like people won't let themselves enjoy a lot of really great stuff (or at least not enjoy it nearly to the extent they could) because they've set up a million walls, boundaries and rules when art isn't about those sorts of things at all.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Youre Under Arrest on June 25, 2013, 07:10:15 AM
In my opinion, the Beach Boys were the best thing to ever happen to pop but sadly most of the world buys into the dreck that the Rolling Stones and Beatles put out.

Careful, this is the unpopular opinions thread, not the unacceptable opinions thread.

Besides, if someone says they hate the Beatles, they're just pretending or trying to be clever. It's impossible to hate the greatest-musical-geniuses-ever-in-the-universe.   ;)



You best be joking about the last part, mate.

I am.......but if I wasn't?

I would be very flustered at my computer, run to my bed and sleep. Angrily.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on June 25, 2013, 07:12:40 AM
The Beatles and Rolling Stones

Meh.

Quote
I'm not saying the group had no talent.

Just little talent, i.e. almost no talent.

Quote
But relative to other elite bands with more balanced collaborative approaches,

Who cares? Why sit around worrying about what's "elite" or not before forming opinions of it?

Quote
Many non-Brian songs were definitely good. But almost none of them reached the artistic zenith of Brian's compositions.

Again, who cares? It's like you're dismissing things solely on the grounds of "It's not as good as Brian Wilson". a) What is? and b) Why does it matter? Like what you like and enjoy the music, don't sit there almost liking something and then saying "It's not as good as the greatest song ever written. It's no good. It's not elite. It doesn't reach the artistic zenith of Brian Wilson's compositions."

Quote
The reason The Beach Boys can be mentioned in the sentence as The Beatles is due solely to Brian Wilson.

Again, why should the Beatles matter at all in all this? Why should every conversation about music turn into a discussion about the Beatles? "Hey man, check out this new band, I really think you're gonna like..." "ARE THEY THE BEATLES?" "Uh, no, they..." "DO THEY REACH THE ARTISTIC ZENITH OF THE BEATLES' BEST COMPOSITIONS?" "I don't know, you'd have to..." "THEN f*** OFF."

And naw. When you consider their formative years, Mike's lyrics were essential to them gaining a fanbase which, I'd bet my eyeballs, helped pave the road for Brian to grow as an artist. Dennis, I'd say, got Mike started on that path. The other guys' contributions varied and helped the band along later on, and certainly Mike and Dennis contributed different things all their own later on.

Sorry if any of this came off as particularly nasty, I didn't mean for it to, I just can't follow the logic behind this kind of stuff. It almost feels like people won't let themselves enjoy a lot of really great stuff (or at least not enjoy it nearly to the extent they could) because they've set up a million walls, boundaries and rules when art isn't about those sorts of things at all.
Nice post! I completely agree. I always tell people when this stuff comes up, that if you like it and it moves you, then it is GOOD, no matter what anyone else thinks.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Shady on June 25, 2013, 09:19:12 AM
I appreciate maybe 3 or 4 Beatles album and that's being generous. I don't get them and I never will, you couldn't pay me to listen to “There’s a Place” or “You Can’t Do That” or the albums they're from. You might put that opinion down to being a Beach Boys fan but I felt this way before discovering The Beach Boys. I put a lot of The Beatles hype down to John Lennon's demigod like status.

He's not. There's just a half dozen guys who really, really, really don't like him.


Hilarious. I wonder if Jeff know there's a couple of people out there who really hate him  :lol


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: runnersdialzero on June 25, 2013, 09:20:24 AM
He's not. There's just a half dozen guys who really, really, really don't like him.

Me thinks yer exaggerating a bit ^_^ over half the time I talk to people (who don't post here) about the reunion shows etc. I get asked "Who's the chubby dark-haired guy? His voice is really, really grating" without even saying a word about the guy to them prior.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Jason on June 25, 2013, 09:24:29 AM
I doubt he gives a damn what people think of him. Like it or not, he's successful and they're not.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: runnersdialzero on June 25, 2013, 09:30:06 AM
I doubt he gives a damn what people think of him. Like it or not, he's successful and they're not.

he told me he reads the board daily and when he comes across a negative post about himself he listens to getmad.mp3

Also, yeah man, successful people (like touring members of a Beach Boys solo project) should never, ever take criticism into account from people with less money than they have. I mean they have money, they're obviously always right. "I don't listen to those lowly pissants, they're just fans who give me said money" they say.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: lee on June 25, 2013, 09:34:27 AM
I think Jeff does a good job at the background falsetto. It's just the leads (Why Do Fools, Don't Worry Baby, chorus to Kokomo) I'm not a big fan of.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Shady on June 25, 2013, 09:35:21 AM
He's not. There's just a half dozen guys who really, really, really don't like him.

Me thinks yer exaggerating a bit ^_^ over half the time I talk to people (who don't post here) about the reunion shows etc. I get asked "Who's the chubby dark-haired guy? His voice is really, really grating" without even saying a word about the guy to them prior.

How can you really like a guy who says, "THE GREAT, BRIIIIAAAAAANNNNNN WILSSSSSSSOOOONNNNNN"

I guess that's my unpopular opinion of the day.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on June 25, 2013, 09:53:41 AM
Also, yeah man, successful people (like touring members of a Beach Boys solo project) should never, ever take criticism into account from people with less money than they have. I mean they have money, they're obviously always right. "I don't listen to those lowly pissants, they're just fans who give me said money" they say.

 :king


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: rab2591 on June 25, 2013, 10:07:21 AM
Except for GV, Cabinessence, H&V, and Vegetables, I prefer the BWPS songs over the original Smile recordings.  


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: The Heartical Don on June 25, 2013, 10:10:38 AM
This wonderful, energetic surfing combo went into rapid decline after the Today album (about half of which already shows signs of the oncoming decay, in the form of syrupy adult-oriented 'ballads').

Their leader, Brian 'Icarus' Wilson so wanted to join the then-burgeoning 'hippie-movement' (read: masses of work-shy, hairy, drugged-out, communist enemies of all American values, who were only out for free sex anyway), that he created (if that's the word) atrocities like the Pet Sounds and Friends albums, both insults to the finely tuned ears of all true music lovers.

All in all, their story is an awful warning, a cautionary tale. Don't stray from the beaten path.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 25, 2013, 11:09:25 AM
--Brian Wilson was an absolute musical genius, but the rest of the band--outside of being good singers--had little talent (relative to bands of comparable prestige).  As a collaborative band unit, the Beach Boys can’t even be compared to 60s peers like The Beatles and Rolling Stones. A lot of Beach Boys music can stand proudly in the ring against the all-time pop/rock greats; but all of that music can be categorized as “Brian Wilson featuring The Beach Boys.”


Writing and arranging all or the basis of "Little Bird", "Be Still", "Be With Me", "All I Want To Do", "Let The Wind Blow", "Slip On Through", "Got To Know The Woman", "Deirdre", "It's About Time", "Tears In The Morning", "Lady", "Sound Of Free", "A Time To Live In Dreams", "Barbara", "All I Wanna Do", "Forever", "Feel Flows", "Don't Go Near The Water", "Long Promised Road", "Take A Load Off Your Feet", "Disney Girls", "Lookin' At Tomorrow", "All This Is That", "Make It Good", "Cuddle Up", "The Trader", "Big Sur", "Steamboat", "On My Way To Sunny Californ-i-a", "Holy Man", "San Miguel", "4th Of July", "(Wouldn't It Be Nice To) Live Again", "Only With You", "River Song", "Thoughts Of You", "Farewell My Friend", "Forever", "Angel Come Home", "Where I Belong", "Baby Blue", "Getcha Back", "Keepin' The Summer Alive", etc. etc. etc. etc. as well as numerous great production jobs = "little talent".

I realize the songs here vary in quality, but at the very least, I feel they all (as well as other songs written by non-Brians) have something worthwhile to offer. This isn't even including their numerous contributions to Brian's songs. SHEESH.

P.S. What are some bands of "comparable prestige" and why do they matter in this context?

Well put. Quite frankly anyone who is familiar with the Beach Boys full output and yet still believes (or pretends to believe) that 'Brian Wilson = the Beach Boys' is a fucking idiot. Sorry to be blunt, but its true.

The only aspect of your post I'd disagree with is when you say 'I realize the songs here vary in quality'. Aside from Getcha Back and Keepin' The Summer Alive, I would actually say that the above list is an utterly tremendous collection of songs; one in fact that most other groups would kill for.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on June 25, 2013, 01:10:22 PM
Quite frankly anyone who is familiar with the Beach Boys full output and yet still believes (or pretends to believe) that 'Brian Wilson = the Beach Boys' is a fucking idiot.

I've been called worse  :lol

I don't mind the post Friends stuff, but really, the only stuff I  care about is the classic BW period '61 to '68. Pure magic.

So yes, I'm a Brianista. The only reason I don't frequent the bloo is they're a bunch of nobs


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on June 25, 2013, 01:19:40 PM
The Beatles and Rolling Stones

Meh.

Quote
I'm not saying the group had no talent.

Just little talent, i.e. almost no talent.

Quote
But relative to other elite bands with more balanced collaborative approaches,

Who cares? Why sit around worrying about what's "elite" or not before forming opinions of it?

Quote
Many non-Brian songs were definitely good. But almost none of them reached the artistic zenith of Brian's compositions.

Again, who cares? It's like you're dismissing things solely on the grounds of "It's not as good as Brian Wilson". a) What is? and b) Why does it matter? Like what you like and enjoy the music, don't sit there almost liking something and then saying "It's not as good as the greatest song ever written. It's no good. It's not elite. It doesn't reach the artistic zenith of Brian Wilson's compositions."

Quote
The reason The Beach Boys can be mentioned in the sentence as The Beatles is due solely to Brian Wilson.

Again, why should the Beatles matter at all in all this? Why should every conversation about music turn into a discussion about the Beatles? "Hey man, check out this new band, I really think you're gonna like..." "ARE THEY THE BEATLES?" "Uh, no, they..." "DO THEY REACH THE ARTISTIC ZENITH OF THE BEATLES' BEST COMPOSITIONS?" "I don't know, you'd have to..." "THEN f*** OFF."

And naw. When you consider their formative years, Mike's lyrics were essential to them gaining a fanbase which, I'd bet my eyeballs, helped pave the road for Brian to grow as an artist. Dennis, I'd say, got Mike started on that path. The other guys' contributions varied and helped the band along later on, and certainly Mike and Dennis contributed different things all their own later on.

Sorry if any of this came off as particularly nasty, I didn't mean for it to, I just can't follow the logic behind this kind of stuff. It almost feels like people won't let themselves enjoy a lot of really great stuff (or at least not enjoy it nearly to the extent they could) because they've set up a million walls, boundaries and rules when art isn't about those sorts of things at all.
Nice post! I completely agree. I always tell people when this stuff comes up, that if you like it and it moves you, then it is GOOD, no matter what anyone else thinks.
I third it without any hesitance!

Btw, it took me a huge minute to figure out who that must be under "Brian Wilson" alias. Great post, RDZ!! In fact, one of your best ones!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Myk Luhv on June 25, 2013, 02:07:38 PM
I've never listened to any full album after Love You and probably never will because what I've heard has either been garbage or only very slightly greater quality than that with maybe three or four exceptions. I think people (well, here anyway) are way too generous about Beach Boys albums from 1978 onwards.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on June 26, 2013, 07:54:16 AM
he created (if that's the word) atrocities like the Pet Sounds and Friends albums, both insults to the finely tuned ears of all true music lovers.

Pet Sounds is not an atrocity... >:D


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Bean Bag on June 26, 2013, 08:28:33 AM
Except for GV, Cabinessence, H&V, and Vegetables, I prefer the BWPS songs over the original Smile recordings.  
Hmm... interesting.  What still blows my mind, is how amazing BWPS actually is.  There's no way it should have been this good.  There's too many reasons.  No Beach Boys.  It's not 1966.  And Brian's voice is nothing what it was... yet I don't even notice it on BWPS.  The focus is squarely on the music.

The original recordings sound stony and mystical.  Adventurous and new.  Groundbreaking.  BWPS however, has a nice polish to it - an upbeat and positive sheen.  It feels joyful.  Clean.  But not in a "sanitized way."  It had 37 years to bake (no pun intended), but to re-record it and "finish it" so many years later -- it had more reasons to be bad, weird and to just plain miss the mark.  But it was awesome.


Both are fantastic.  But I can see one preferring the sprite, sparkly -- and more finished, BWPS.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: zatch on June 26, 2013, 08:48:08 AM

Again, why should the Beatles matter at all in all this? Why should every conversation about music turn into a discussion about the Beatles? "Hey man, check out this new band, I really think you're gonna like..." "ARE THEY THE BEATLES?" "Uh, no, they..." "DO THEY REACH THE ARTISTIC ZENITH OF THE BEATLES' BEST COMPOSITIONS?" "I don't know, you'd have to..." "THEN f*** OFF."


This makes me laugh. Great point, Brian.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: rab2591 on June 26, 2013, 08:57:06 AM
Except for GV, Cabinessence, H&V, and Vegetables, I prefer the BWPS songs over the original Smile recordings.  
Hmm... interesting.  What still blows my mind, is how amazing BWPS actually is.  There's no way it should have been this good.  There's too many reasons.  No Beach Boys.  It's not 1966.  And Brian's voice is nothing what it was... yet I don't even notice it on BWPS.  The focus is squarely on the music.

The original recordings sound stony and mystical.  Adventurous and new.  Groundbreaking.  BWPS however, has a nice polish to it - an upbeat and positive sheen.  I feels joyful.  Clean.  But not in a "sanitized way."  It had 37 years to bake (no pun intended), but to re-record it and "finish it" so many years later -- it had more reasons to be bad, weird and to just plain miss the mark.  But it was awesome.


Both are fantastic.  But I can see one preferring the sprite, sparkly -- and more finished, BWPS.

I couldn't have said it better. I enjoy the '66/'67 recordings, but the modern polished sound just suits some songs better (like On A Holiday, the spiritual section, In Blue Hawaii).


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Jeff on June 26, 2013, 11:39:11 AM
--Brian Wilson was an absolute musical genius, but the rest of the band--outside of being good singers--had little talent (relative to bands of comparable prestige).  As a collaborative band unit, the Beach Boys can’t even be compared to 60s peers like The Beatles and Rolling Stones. A lot of Beach Boys music can stand proudly in the ring against the all-time pop/rock greats; but all of that music can be categorized as “Brian Wilson featuring The Beach Boys.”


Writing and arranging all or the basis of "Little Bird", "Be Still", "Be With Me", "All I Want To Do", "Let The Wind Blow", "Slip On Through", "Got To Know The Woman", "Deirdre", "It's About Time", "Tears In The Morning", "Lady", "Sound Of Free", "A Time To Live In Dreams", "Barbara", "All I Wanna Do", "Forever", "Feel Flows", "Don't Go Near The Water", "Long Promised Road", "Take A Load Off Your Feet", "Disney Girls", "Lookin' At Tomorrow", "All This Is That", "Make It Good", "Cuddle Up", "The Trader", "Big Sur", "Steamboat", "On My Way To Sunny Californ-i-a", "Holy Man", "San Miguel", "4th Of July", "(Wouldn't It Be Nice To) Live Again", "Only With You", "River Song", "Thoughts Of You", "Farewell My Friend", "Forever", "Angel Come Home", "Where I Belong", "Baby Blue", "Getcha Back", "Keepin' The Summer Alive", etc. etc. etc. etc. as well as numerous great production jobs = "little talent".

I realize the songs here vary in quality, but at the very least, I feel they all (as well as other songs written by non-Brians) have something worthwhile to offer. This isn't even including their numerous contributions to Brian's songs. SHEESH.

P.S. What are some bands of "comparable prestige" and why do they matter in this context?

Well put. Quite frankly anyone who is familiar with the Beach Boys full output and yet still believes (or pretends to believe) that 'Brian Wilson = the Beach Boys' is a fucking idiot. Sorry to be blunt, but its true.

The only aspect of your post I'd disagree with is when you say 'I realize the songs here vary in quality'. Aside from Getcha Back and Keepin' The Summer Alive, I would actually say that the above list is an utterly tremendous collection of songs; one in fact that most other groups would kill for.

(sigh)

I suppose one unpopular opinion I have is that many, if not most, posters on this board are way, way, way too emotionally invested in the supposed greatness of every band member.  I would never say that Brian is/was the Beach Boys, but he was far and away the main songwriting and composing talent.

And notice that a good portion of the above list is Dennis songs, while others ("Tears in the Morning," "Take a Load Off Your Feet") would be laughed at by most people outside this board.

If all of the pre-Holland Beach Boys' songs that were not primarily by Brian or Dennis disappeared tomorrow, I think I'd only miss Feel Flows.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 26, 2013, 02:45:40 PM
--Brian Wilson was an absolute musical genius, but the rest of the band--outside of being good singers--had little talent (relative to bands of comparable prestige).  As a collaborative band unit, the Beach Boys can’t even be compared to 60s peers like The Beatles and Rolling Stones. A lot of Beach Boys music can stand proudly in the ring against the all-time pop/rock greats; but all of that music can be categorized as “Brian Wilson featuring The Beach Boys.”


Writing and arranging all or the basis of "Little Bird", "Be Still", "Be With Me", "All I Want To Do", "Let The Wind Blow", "Slip On Through", "Got To Know The Woman", "Deirdre", "It's About Time", "Tears In The Morning", "Lady", "Sound Of Free", "A Time To Live In Dreams", "Barbara", "All I Wanna Do", "Forever", "Feel Flows", "Don't Go Near The Water", "Long Promised Road", "Take A Load Off Your Feet", "Disney Girls", "Lookin' At Tomorrow", "All This Is That", "Make It Good", "Cuddle Up", "The Trader", "Big Sur", "Steamboat", "On My Way To Sunny Californ-i-a", "Holy Man", "San Miguel", "4th Of July", "(Wouldn't It Be Nice To) Live Again", "Only With You", "River Song", "Thoughts Of You", "Farewell My Friend", "Forever", "Angel Come Home", "Where I Belong", "Baby Blue", "Getcha Back", "Keepin' The Summer Alive", etc. etc. etc. etc. as well as numerous great production jobs = "little talent".

I realize the songs here vary in quality, but at the very least, I feel they all (as well as other songs written by non-Brians) have something worthwhile to offer. This isn't even including their numerous contributions to Brian's songs. SHEESH.

P.S. What are some bands of "comparable prestige" and why do they matter in this context?

Well put. Quite frankly anyone who is familiar with the Beach Boys full output and yet still believes (or pretends to believe) that 'Brian Wilson = the Beach Boys' is a fucking idiot. Sorry to be blunt, but its true.

The only aspect of your post I'd disagree with is when you say 'I realize the songs here vary in quality'. Aside from Getcha Back and Keepin' The Summer Alive, I would actually say that the above list is an utterly tremendous collection of songs; one in fact that most other groups would kill for.

(sigh)

I suppose one unpopular opinion I have is that many, if not most, posters on this board are way, way, way too emotionally invested in the supposed greatness of every band member.  I would never say that Brian is/was the Beach Boys, but he was far and away the main songwriting and composing talent.

And notice that a good portion of the above list is Dennis songs, while others ("Tears in the Morning," "Take a Load Off Your Feet") would be laughed at by most people outside this board.

If all of the pre-Holland Beach Boys' songs that were not primarily by Brian or Dennis disappeared tomorrow, I think I'd only miss Feel Flows.

Actually I ought to amend my previous post a tad, as I didn't realise Tears In The Morning was included in that list and I absolutely loathe that song with a passion. Otherwise I stand by my statement/opinion.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: lance on June 27, 2013, 03:19:40 AM
The Beach Boys ALL had/have low IQs, even Brian.

Bruce Johnston had a brief period in the earlier sixties when he rocked; otherwise he is an utter schmuck.

Mike Love deserves some of what he gets.

Happy Endings is sh*t.

Wilson Phillips worship Satan.



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: The Heartical Don on June 27, 2013, 03:43:36 AM
The Beach Boys ALL had/have low IQs, even Brian.

Bruce Johnston had a brief period in the earlier sixties when he rocked; otherwise he is an utter schmuck.

Mike Love deserves some of what he gets.

Happy Endings is sh*t.

Wilson Phillips worship Satan.



I fear you're not making yourself very popular around these quarters. Oh, um, wait...


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on June 27, 2013, 09:08:20 AM
The Beach Boys ALL had/have low IQs, even Brian.

Bruce Johnston had a brief period in the earlier sixties when he rocked; otherwise he is an utter schmuck.

Mike Love deserves some of what he gets.

Happy Endings is sh*t.

Wilson Phillips worship Satan.


A Schmuck who writes Schmaltz? I like that! :) Wilson Phillips worship Satan? Chynna will damn you to hell for saying that. ;)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: mr_oleary on June 27, 2013, 10:02:36 AM
I am embarrassed for the BB every time I hear the lyrics to 'When I Grow Up to Be A Man'

God Only Knows is not the best song on PS

Don't Worry Baby is vastly overrated (and on a similar note, She Knows Me Too Well is very underrated)

The Little Girl I Once Knew is a top 10, maybe top 5 BB song

The Don't Talk vocal snippet from the PS box set is the best music Brian/The BB ever released


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on June 27, 2013, 10:13:47 AM
Another one I remembered: Mike's rendition of I'm Waiting for the Day is worlds better than Brian's.

Also, Brian's performance of GOK rivals Carl's.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Jeff on June 27, 2013, 11:58:16 AM
I am embarrassed for the BB every time I hear the lyrics to 'When I Grow Up to Be A Man'


This one surprises me.  Their albums are littered with embarrassing lyrics, but When I Grow Up is not one that I put in that group.  IMO, contemporaries like Don't Hurt My Little Sister and Salt Lake City are far, far worse.

Another one that stands out for me is It's OK.  And if lyrics had been written for The Nearest Faraway Place, they doubtlessly would have horrid as well.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: rab2591 on June 27, 2013, 12:12:33 PM
I am embarrassed for the BB every time I hear the lyrics to 'When I Grow Up to Be A Man'


This one surprises me.  Their albums are littered with embarrassing lyrics, but When I Grow Up is not one that I put in that group.  IMO, contemporaries like Don't Hurt My Little Sister and Salt Lake City are far, far worse.

Another one that stands out for me is It's OK.  And if lyrics had been written for The Nearest Faraway Place, they doubtlessly would have horrid as well.

It's Ok has nightmarishly bad lyrics.

Most embarrassing moment on a roadtrip was when I put on TWOTS compilation, everyone was enjoying it until this song blasted itself through the friggin speakers...there I am hanging my head in shame while quickly trying to press the 'forward' button.

WHY IS THAT SONG ON ANY COMPILATION?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SMiLE Brian on June 27, 2013, 12:15:04 PM
Personally, I love that song. Maybe its because I am fascinated by the sleazy late 1970s BBs. :lol 


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mendota Heights on June 27, 2013, 12:16:28 PM
At least they did not include the "fun, fun, fun" line. :)

It's like Do It Again part 2, but way worse of course.

I kinda like it.



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: EgoHanger1966 on June 27, 2013, 02:22:48 PM
I love the lyrics of It's OK. Lookin' good down the hood of a funky ride! Crank that sucker up - maybe the only "fun in the sun" song that they recorded post-"Do It Again" that actually stands up to their classic hits.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Alan Smith on June 27, 2013, 03:26:58 PM
I'll sell you some of his beard hair from 1976. I'm told it can heal the sick.

I guess you'd have to chew it or something.

Can you make tea from them?



You could, but the best method is via a hookah with a few friends to assist.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on June 27, 2013, 04:40:02 PM
I always liked "Almost Summer" By Celebration. It sounded great on AM radio, and seeing Mike and Brian perform it (well, lypsynch it) on American Bandstand was an all-time highlight for me as far as TV appearances go.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Moon Dawg on June 27, 2013, 04:46:54 PM
I am embarrassed for the BB every time I hear the lyrics to 'When I Grow Up to Be A Man'


This one surprises me.  Their albums are littered with embarrassing lyrics, but When I Grow Up is not one that I put in that group.  IMO, contemporaries like Don't Hurt My Little Sister and Salt Lake City are far, far worse.

Another one that stands out for me is It's OK.  And if lyrics had been written for The Nearest Faraway Place, they doubtlessly would have horrid as well.

It's Ok has nightmarishly bad lyrics.

Most embarrassing moment on a roadtrip was when I put on TWOTS compilation, everyone was enjoying it until this song blasted itself through the friggin speakers...there I am hanging my head in shame while quickly trying to press the 'forward' button.

WHY IS THAT SONG ON ANY COMPILATION?

 !) Because it is good.  2) It was a hit.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: hypehat on June 27, 2013, 05:26:28 PM


Mike Love deserves some of what he gets.


Mike Love deserves, like, 95% of what he gets. His attitude to the group is absolutely atrocious.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Wah Wah Wah Ooooo on June 27, 2013, 05:55:10 PM
Except for GV, Cabinessence, H&V, and Vegetables, I prefer the BWPS songs over the original Smile recordings.  
Hmm... interesting.  What still blows my mind, is how amazing BWPS actually is.  There's no way it should have been this good.  There's too many reasons.  No Beach Boys.  It's not 1966.  And Brian's voice is nothing what it was... yet I don't even notice it on BWPS.  The focus is squarely on the music.

The original recordings sound stony and mystical.  Adventurous and new.  Groundbreaking.  BWPS however, has a nice polish to it - an upbeat and positive sheen.  It feels joyful.  Clean.  But not in a "sanitized way."  It had 37 years to bake (no pun intended), but to re-record it and "finish it" so many years later -- it had more reasons to be bad, weird and to just plain miss the mark.  But it was awesome.


Both are fantastic.  But I can see one preferring the sprite, sparkly -- and more finished, BWPS.


This. I agree with this completely. I would add that for me, 2004 was a pretty important year for me in a lot of ways (graduated college, finding myself, relationships, etc.) and when I think of BWPS I remember a lot about who I am and where I've been. It just takes me back to an exact point in my life and stands as a pretty important artifact of that year for me.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Shady on June 27, 2013, 06:53:26 PM


Mike Love deserves some of what he gets.


Mike Love deserves, like, 95% of what he gets. His attitude to the group is absolutely atrocious.

(http://i.imgur.com/naBRtbN.gif)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: phirnis on June 28, 2013, 02:26:05 AM
I am embarrassed for the BB every time I hear the lyrics to 'When I Grow Up to Be A Man'


This one surprises me.  Their albums are littered with embarrassing lyrics, but When I Grow Up is not one that I put in that group.  IMO, contemporaries like Don't Hurt My Little Sister and Salt Lake City are far, far worse.

Another one that stands out for me is It's OK.  And if lyrics had been written for The Nearest Faraway Place, they doubtlessly would have horrid as well.

It's Ok has nightmarishly bad lyrics.

Most embarrassing moment on a roadtrip was when I put on TWOTS compilation, everyone was enjoying it until this song blasted itself through the friggin speakers...there I am hanging my head in shame while quickly trying to press the 'forward' button.

WHY IS THAT SONG ON ANY COMPILATION?

I'm a fan of that particular time frame in BB history and still I have to agree with the assessment that the song's lyrics are... well, "nightmarishly bad" might be an exaggeration but they aren't very charming to say the least. If you're in a bad mood and put on this song you may find yourself wanting to punch whoever came up with those lyrics and that's something I haven't ever experienced with their original 60s-era fun-in-the-sun material. That said, I still think it's a great song, can't help it, must be the bass groove and Dennis' vocal.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Cyncie on June 28, 2013, 07:12:16 AM
Carl's voice was not really all that phenomenal. Brian's was more pure and effortless, especially in the higher registers.

Jeff Foskett is all right.

Brian's current support system may be extensive, and may be necessary. But, it does not equal Landy-like control.

Mike's stage persona has become borderline creepy.

"Forever" is repetitious.

"Beaches in Mind" isn't a masterpiece, but it's a fun, catchy song. Ditto for "Bill and Sue".

After C50, The Beach Boys name should be reserved for special projects that involve the whole group. Mike can continue touring as The Beach Boys Touring Band, or some such thing.

The hits era of the early sixties is just as good as the less popular (so therefore, more hipster cool) late sixties/seventies.

"Fun in the Sun" songs are fun. So is "Barbara Ann."

TM doesn't seem to be helping Mike much. Or, maybe it is. Which is a scary thought.


















Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Bicyclerider on June 28, 2013, 08:31:16 AM
Another one I remembered: Mike's rendition of I'm Waiting for the Day is worlds better than Brian's.

Also, Brian's performance of GOK rivals Carl's.

Don't you mean Carl's performance rivals Carl's, since he did both?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on June 28, 2013, 08:33:52 AM
Carl's voice was not really all that phenomenal. Brian's was more pure and effortless, especially in the higher registers.

Jeff Foskett is all right.

Brian's current support system may be extensive, and may be necessary. But, it does not equal Landy-like control.

Mike's stage persona has become borderline creepy.

"Forever" is repetitious.

"Beaches in Mind" isn't a masterpiece, but it's a fun, catchy song. Ditto for "Bill and Sue".

After C50, The Beach Boys name should be reserved for special projects that involve the whole group. Mike can continue touring as The Beach Boys Touring Band, or some such thing.

The hits era of the early sixties is just as good as the less popular (so therefore, more hipster cool) late sixties/seventies.

"Fun in the Sun" songs are fun. So is "Barbara Ann."

TM doesn't seem to be helping Mike much. Or, maybe it is. Which is a scary thought.
Well of course, Brian had better range in the higher registers, strong too! Carl's voice was sweeter and breathier in the high range. I will say, Carl's voice was more varied than Brian's. He kept better care of his voice too.

Jeff is alright... for Brian's old vocals. I don't think he fills Carl's role all that well, though.

Agree with control over Brian.

You guys with using "creepy". You creep me out using it so much. Do you have sick minds in that it is all that you are looking for?

Agree with you on Beaches In Mind.

Tell that to Brian, Al and Carl's Estate. I'll bet that they will disagree with you.

All the eras are good and all hip. Wish it had been like that from 67-72.

Yep, it's all good, even Barbara Ann. :)

If TM isn't helping Mike, then man, that would indeed be scary. ;)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Jason on June 28, 2013, 09:22:04 AM
Mike Love deserves, like, 95% of what he gets. His attitude to the group is absolutely atrocious.

Michael does deserve what he gets. No one else has helped keep the band alive more than Michael. No one is a bigger supporter of Brian than Michael. Yes, that's so atrocious.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Pretty Funky on June 28, 2013, 02:45:34 PM
After C50, The Beach Boys name should be reserved for special projects that involve the whole group. Mike can continue touring as The Beach Boys Touring Band, or some such thing.

AGD or someone may be able to confirm but that may be the case. Is there a legal reason we often see the term 'The Beach Boys Band'? Their own website is a case in point.

http://www.beachboysband.net/


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: joshferrell on June 28, 2013, 03:51:22 PM
Carl's voice was not really all that phenomenal. Brian's was more pure and effortless, especially in the higher registers.

Jeff Foskett is all right.

Brian's current support system may be extensive, and may be necessary. But, it does not equal Landy-like control.

Mike's stage persona has become borderline creepy.

"Forever" is repetitious.

"Beaches in Mind" isn't a masterpiece, but it's a fun, catchy song. Ditto for "Bill and Sue".

After C50, The Beach Boys name should be reserved for special projects that involve the whole group. Mike can continue touring as The Beach Boys Touring Band, or some such thing.

The hits era of the early sixties is just as good as the less popular (so therefore, more hipster cool) late sixties/seventies.

"Fun in the Sun" songs are fun. So is "Barbara Ann."

TM doesn't seem to be helping Mike much. Or, maybe it is. Which is a scary thought.


















Wait a minute isn't TM all about dropping the Ego?????  :o


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on June 28, 2013, 04:59:14 PM
Another one I remembered: Mike's rendition of I'm Waiting for the Day is worlds better than Brian's.

Also, Brian's performance of GOK rivals Carl's.

Don't you mean Carl's performance rivals Carl's, since he did both?

The Pet Sounds Sessions has a version with Brian on lead.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Phoenix on June 28, 2013, 09:20:15 PM
After C50, The Beach Boys name should be reserved for special projects that involve the whole group. Mike can continue touring as The Beach Boys Touring Band, or some such thing.

AGD or someone may be able to confirm but that may be the case. Is there a legal reason we often see the term 'The Beach Boys Band'? Their own website is a case in point.

http://www.beachboysband.net/

Speaking of that website, it says there that
"THE ORIGINAL FOUNDING MEMBERS OF THE BEACH BOYS ARE ...
Mike Love / Brian Wilson / Alan Jardine /
Dave Marks / Bruce Johnston
Carl Wilson (Deceased) / Dennis Wilson (Deceased)"

My first thought was, "Hey cool.  They're giving David credit as a founding member and that's fine because things went so fast with so much overlap in the beginning."  It might not be technically correct but OK.  But then I went, "Huh?  Bruce???"

OK....


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on June 28, 2013, 10:20:20 PM
I guess Bruce is an original member in the sense that he was in the group during their classic era and it sets him apart from the other guys in the touring band.  Like saying original members Mike Love and Bruce Johnston is simpler than saying "original member Mike Love" and "touring member turned bandmate who left after a few years then came back as a producer and started touring with them again and decided to become a member of the group again Bruce Johnston."


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Wirestone on June 28, 2013, 10:37:50 PM
After C50, The Beach Boys name should be reserved for special projects that involve the whole group. Mike can continue touring as The Beach Boys Touring Band, or some such thing.

AGD or someone may be able to confirm but that may be the case. Is there a legal reason we often see the term 'The Beach Boys Band'? Their own website is a case in point.

http://www.beachboysband.net/

That's the site dedicated to the backing musicians. Hence "Beach Boys Band."


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Pretty Funky on June 28, 2013, 11:01:23 PM
Ok. The 'Tour Schedule' link also makes an effort to differentiate however.


http://www.beachboysband.net/TOURSCH/BB_TOUR_SCH.htm

 THE TOURING BEACH BOYS - 2013
featuring two original members: Mike Love & Bruce Johnston

Hey its just nit-picking I know. But the site is making every effort to inform that this is not the C50 line-up and good on them.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on June 28, 2013, 11:14:33 PM
And if you scroll down to the bottom and play "Name that tune," all of the songs there are Adrian Baker recordings.  :lol


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Patrick Bateman on June 29, 2013, 12:44:35 PM
I doubt he gives a damn what people think of him. Like it or not, he's successful and they're not.

he told me he reads the board daily and when he comes across a negative post about himself he listens to getmad.mp3

Also, yeah man, successful people (like touring members of a Beach Boys solo project) should never, ever take criticism into account from people with less money than they have. I mean they have money, they're obviously always right. "I don't listen to those lowly pissants, they're just fans who give me said money" they say.

That is probably the best post ever. And I'm never one to say that. But I hate the whole "well he's rich and you're not, so f*** off" thing. Strikes me as a very American type thing, moreso a conservative, "I've got mine, go get your own" type thing. Sucks.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: shelter on June 30, 2013, 03:26:10 PM
The Pet Sounds Sessions has a version with Brian on lead.
That's what it says on the tracklisting, but several people on this forum have noted that it is in fact Carl on all the alternate PSS versions. I have no idea if it's true or not, Carl's earliest vocals sometimes did sound a whole lot like Brian.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 30, 2013, 06:00:49 PM
It's Carl. David Leaf later admitted it was a mistake.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: rab2591 on June 30, 2013, 06:05:22 PM
It's Carl. David Leaf later admitted it was a mistake.

After listening to that again, I don't see how I was ever fooled into thinking that was Brian's voice.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: hypehat on July 02, 2013, 05:43:37 PM
Mike Love deserves, like, 95% of what he gets. His attitude to the group is absolutely atrocious.

Michael does deserve what he gets. No one else has helped keep the band a stale parody of the group with no artistic ambition alive more than Michael. No one is a bigger supporter of Brian continued royalty cheques than Michael. Yes, that's so atrocious.

This is the guy who responded to a US #3 album (and a mostly artistically successful one) and a massive worldwide tour in stadiums he hasn't seen since the 80's by saying 'no thank you', and would rather play second fiddle to boy bands and The Gruffalo in the UK instead. He is a classic example of foolish pride.

I love Mike Love, but Brian comes out and says 'Hey guys, I want to put 3 albums of wildly varying material soon with Al and David Marks and my great band and dubious guitar legends' and Mike wants me to come see him support JLS and The Gruffalo. One is an artist at this stage. The other is a hack.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Shady on July 02, 2013, 05:46:16 PM
Mike Love deserves, like, 95% of what he gets. His attitude to the group is absolutely atrocious.

Michael does deserve what he gets. No one else has helped keep the band a stale parody of the group with no artistic ambition alive more than Michael. No one is a bigger supporter of Brian continued royalty cheques than Michael. Yes, that's so atrocious.

This is the guy who responded to a US #3 album and a massive worldwide tour in stadiums he hasn't seen since the 80's by saying 'no thank you', and would rather play second fiddle to boy bands and The Gruffalo in the UK instead. He is a classic example of foolish pride.

I love Mike Love, but Brian comes out and says 'Hey guys, I want to put 3 albums of wildly varying material soon with Al and David Marks and my great band and dubious guitar legends' and Mike wants me to come see him support JLS and The Gruffalo. One is an artist at this stage. The other is a hack.

wow, I love it.

You're the bomb hypehat


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 02, 2013, 05:55:15 PM
Agreed, shady.... ;D


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Myk Luhv on July 02, 2013, 06:03:19 PM
My cousin Brian Wilson isn't a genius.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on July 02, 2013, 07:31:05 PM
Mike Love is a great singer and a good performer.  I believe he has admiration for Brian but I also believe that admiration isn't as high as his jealousy and his greed.  There is no doubt that Mike suffers from a superiority complex and I feel embarrassed for him because he seems to be oblivious to his reputation and is only interested in how much credit he gets and how much money it gets him.  The Smile lawsuit was one of the most ridiculous examples of this and honestly, I understand completely why people think of Mike Love as such a prick in reference to that.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on July 04, 2013, 07:30:20 AM
The Pet Sounds Sessions has a version with Brian on lead.
That's what it says on the tracklisting, but several people on this forum have noted that it is in fact Carl on all the alternate PSS versions. I have no idea if it's true or not, Carl's earliest vocals sometimes did sound a whole lot like Brian.
After playing alternate GOK again, I still don't hear any trace of Carl's voice - it's definitely Brian. I can't describe why I think so, but that's him. I'm aware of the fact that Carl & Brian sound similar at times, no surprise since they're brothers. However, not to the extent that they can't be distinguished. Surely, I'd recognize if that'd be indeed Carl on another GOK. So, let me trust my own ears, i.e. agree to disagree with posters here who think otherwise.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: job on July 06, 2013, 08:31:28 AM
L.A. Light is a very good album.  Remove "SB" and cut "HCTN" down to 4 minutes, and the album compares favorably with anything else I was digging of the period:  Ambrosia, Player, Christopher Cross, Boz Scaggs, etc.  Even as is, it is MILES better than the album before and the album after.  Very well done.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Jason on July 06, 2013, 09:05:13 AM
L.A. Light is a very good album.  Remove "SB" and cut "HCTN" down to 4 minutes, and the album compares favorably with anything else I was digging of the period:  Ambrosia, Player, Christopher Cross, Boz Scaggs, etc.  Even as is, it is MILES better than the album before and the album after.  Very well done.

Excellent first post. I like you. I like you a lot. And I agree 100%.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on July 06, 2013, 10:53:27 AM
L.A. Light is a very good album.  Remove "SB" and cut "HCTN" down to 4 minutes, and the album compares favorably with anything else I was digging of the period:  Ambrosia, Player, Christopher Cross, Boz Scaggs, etc.  Even as is, it is MILES better than the album before and the album after.  Very well done.

Agree with that, although I'd rather keep SB and cut HCTN entirely. Although saying LA Light Album is a good album and better than MIU and/or KTSA isn't much of an unpopular opinion, at least on this board.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on July 06, 2013, 11:03:24 AM
I agree that HCTN should have been the single mix, but I am fine With Shortenin' Bread ending the LP. Kinda like Transcendental Meditation ending Friends. It really needed another Brian tune to fill it out. I agree too that it was very contemporary in 1979.

Welcome to the board, job! :)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on July 06, 2013, 11:15:46 AM
L.A. Light is a very good album.  Remove "SB" and cut "HCTN" down to 4 minutes, and the album compares favorably with anything else I was digging of the period:  Ambrosia, Player, Christopher Cross, Boz Scaggs, etc.  Even as is, it is MILES better than the album before and the album after.  Very well done.

I totally agree with removing "Shortenon' Bread"; it might be the most misplaced song on any BB album. I also agree with cutting down "Here Comes The Night". But that would leave you enough space for THREE alternate songs, not just two. With all the recording that Brian Wilson did in 1976-77, it's hard to believe they couldn't use some of those songs, and the one they do choose is "Shortenin' Bread".  ::)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on July 06, 2013, 11:26:41 AM
L.A. Light is a very good album.  Remove "SB" and cut "HCTN" down to 4 minutes, and the album compares favorably with anything else I was digging of the period:  Ambrosia, Player, Christopher Cross, Boz Scaggs, etc.  Even as is, it is MILES better than the album before and the album after.  Very well done.

I totally agree with removing "Shortenon' Bread"; it might be the most misplaced song on any BB album. I also agree with cutting down "Here Comes The Night". But that would leave you enough space for THREE alternate songs, not just two. With all the recording that Brian Wilson did in 1976-77, it's hard to believe they couldn't use some of those songs, and the one they do choose is "Shortenin' Bread".  ::)

California Feelin' and another Dennis Bambu track would've made for a killer album! (Oh, and yes, welcome to the board Job!)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: EgoHanger1966 on July 06, 2013, 11:33:49 AM
L.A. Light is a very good album.  Remove "SB" and cut "HCTN" down to 4 minutes, and the album compares favorably with anything else I was digging of the period:  Ambrosia, Player, Christopher Cross, Boz Scaggs, etc.  Even as is, it is MILES better than the album before and the album after.  Very well done.

Welcome to the board! I'd rather listen to almost any BB album than LA Light, but I suppose that's just as unpopular of an opinion as well.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on July 06, 2013, 11:51:08 AM
The Pet Sounds Sessions has a version with Brian on lead.
That's what it says on the tracklisting, but several people on this forum have noted that it is in fact Carl on all the alternate PSS versions. I have no idea if it's true or not, Carl's earliest vocals sometimes did sound a whole lot like Brian.
After playing alternate GOK again, I still don't hear any trace of Carl's voice - it's definitely Brian. I can't describe why I think so, but that's him. I'm aware of the fact that Carl & Brian sound similar at times, no surprise since they're brothers. However, not to the extent that they can't be distinguished. Surely, I'd recognize if that'd be indeed Carl on another GOK. So, let me trust my own ears, i.e. agree to disagree with posters here who think otherwise.

I agree, there's no way that isn't Brian.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on July 06, 2013, 12:24:52 PM
L.A. Light is a very good album.  Remove "SB" and cut "HCTN" down to 4 minutes, and the album compares favorably with anything else I was digging of the period:  Ambrosia, Player, Christopher Cross, Boz Scaggs, etc.  Even as is, it is MILES better than the album before and the album after.  Very well done.

I'd rather listen to almost any BB album than LA Light, but I suppose that's just as unpopular of an opinion as well.

I enjoy it, but have to be in the right mood. That album can really - I hate to say it - not bore you, but mellow you out maybe. A lot of slow stuff. It was the great shoulda/coulda/woulda album for me. After so much Brian on 15 Big Ones, Love You, and even MIU, I was expecting so much. So disappointing. He's basically not even on the album. You need a magnifying glass to find him...


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on July 06, 2013, 12:27:51 PM
L.A. Light is a very good album.  Remove "SB" and cut "HCTN" down to 4 minutes, and the album compares favorably with anything else I was digging of the period:  Ambrosia, Player, Christopher Cross, Boz Scaggs, etc.  Even as is, it is MILES better than the album before and the album after.  Very well done.

I'd rather listen to almost any BB album than LA Light, but I suppose that's just as unpopular of an opinion as well.

I enjoy it, but have to be in the right mood. That album can really - I hate to say it - not bore you, but mellow you out maybe. A lot of slow stuff. It was the great shoulda/coulda/woulda album for me. After so much Brian on 15 Big Ones, Love You, and even MIU, I was expecting so much. So disappointing. He's basically not even on the album. You need a magnifying glass to find him...

Surely the fact that Dennis's songs didn't feature on the previous three albums at all is even more disappointing, particularly as - unlike Brian - he was in his song-writing prime?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Pretty Funky on July 06, 2013, 12:34:22 PM
Half a page on the LA album and no comment yet on Sumahama, which I have always kinda liked. :p


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: EgoHanger1966 on July 06, 2013, 01:21:54 PM
I don't mind slick, AC pop - I just don't think there's much substance on that album. Nothing to grab you. Good Timin' is really nice, Lady Lynda is fine, Sumahama isn't terrible. Everything else just does nothing for me. Part of it also must have to do with the fact I can barely stand Dennis' vocals when they got so raspy that he took on another persona (vocally). I know people cream for that sound but I'm not a fan at all.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: job on July 06, 2013, 01:57:38 PM
I don't mind slick, AC pop - I just don't think there's much substance on that album. Nothing to grab you.

To each his own, but I will say that "Love Surrounds Me" actually does grab me, even though (or maybe BECAUSE) the sound and structure is strikingly unusual for the boys.  There's just something about that tune that I really dig.

How's THAT for an unpopular opinion?

And thanks to all those who were so welcoming.  This seems like a great board.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on July 06, 2013, 02:03:46 PM
I don't mind slick, AC pop - I just don't think there's much substance on that album. Nothing to grab you.

To each his own, but I will say that "Love Surrounds Me" actually does grab me, even though (or maybe BECAUSE) the sound and structure is strikingly unusual for the boys.  There's just something about that tune that I really dig.

How's THAT for an unpopular opinion?

And thanks to all those who were so welcoming.  This seems like a great board.

Again, sorry to disappoint but 'Love Surrounds Me' is also widely considered a very good tune. Now say that you really dig 'Summer Of Love' and you'd be treading on egg shells...


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Russ_B66 on July 07, 2013, 09:09:43 AM
Mike is certainly on the egotistical side and has filed more that his share of lawsuits. Outside of those areas, one could make quite a case for saying that he is a decent hardworking human being. Dennis seems to get a free pass by a lot of people on this board. His behavior was deplorable at times and it impacted the band in a negative way. I have never seen Mike when he wasn't on stage doing his best to give the fans their money's worth.

I am not a Mike apologist but Dennis has been gone for almost 30 years. I don't believe that he was contributing much to the band, except Baby Blue, for the last 5 years. I think that there was a window of time when he peaked but then there was a sad decline. I think that his stuff on Sunflower was great. CAPST was just okay. POB was way overrated.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: TimeToGetAlone on July 09, 2013, 04:05:45 PM
Since the LA discussion has come up, another one comes to mind for me...

The worst three albums for the band vocally-speaking are TWGMTR, KTSA, and L.A.  I do think L.A. has some fantastic tracks, but the processing on certain tracks is grating to say the least.  Keepin' the Summer Alive, Johnston's second production album, suffers from much of the same problem and has much less song quality to support itself. I think the autotune on TWGMTR speaks for itself despite a number of great songs and little disastrous.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on July 09, 2013, 05:39:48 PM
Since the LA discussion has come up, another one comes to mind for me...

The worst three albums for the band vocally-speaking are TGWMTR, KTSA, and L.A.  I do think L.A. has some fantastic tracks, but the processing on certain tracks is grating to say the least.  Keepin' the Summer Alive, Johnston's second production album, suffers from much of the same problem and has much less song quality to support itself. I think the autotune on TWGMTR speaks for itself despite a number of great songs and little disastrous.
I have no problems with any of the three. After all the complaints going around about autotune, the only one that really sounds terrible on a few tracks is on the new Live CD.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on July 09, 2013, 05:43:06 PM
I don't think there was anything wrong with the Landy lyrics on BW 88. They're fine for me!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: urbanite on July 09, 2013, 06:48:12 PM
Love Surrounds Me was long, slow and boring.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: JohnnyQuest on July 10, 2013, 01:54:39 AM
Friends was a horrifically underproduced tragedy.

You and I is Denny's best song.

Carl failed miserably at "singing" soulful.

The Night Was So Young was their greatest post pet sounds song.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on July 10, 2013, 04:30:49 AM
I enjoy it, but have to be in the right mood. That album can really - I hate to say it - not bore you, but mellow you out maybe.

To me, LA is less boring than either CATP or Holland. I really like Angel Come Home and the intro to Sumahama, just before Mike starts singing.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Cabinessenceking on July 10, 2013, 04:39:29 AM
L.A. Light is a very good album.  Remove "SB" and cut "HCTN" down to 4 minutes, and the album compares favorably with anything else I was digging of the period:  Ambrosia, Player, Christopher Cross, Boz Scaggs, etc.  Even as is, it is MILES better than the album before and the album after.  Very well done.

I totally agree with removing "Shortenon' Bread"; it might be the most misplaced song on any BB album. I also agree with cutting down "Here Comes The Night". But that would leave you enough space for THREE alternate songs, not just two. With all the recording that Brian Wilson did in 1976-77, it's hard to believe they couldn't use some of those songs, and the one they do choose is "Shortenin' Bread".  ::)

California Feelin' and another Dennis Bambu track would've made for a killer album! (Oh, and yes, welcome to the board Job!)

CalFeelin' and All Alone imo! the alternate and uncomplete All Alone is the best one ;]


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: TimeToGetAlone on July 10, 2013, 02:10:15 PM
Since the LA discussion has come up, another one comes to mind for me...

The worst three albums for the band vocally-speaking are TGWMTR, KTSA, and L.A.  I do think L.A. has some fantastic tracks, but the processing on certain tracks is grating to say the least.  Keepin' the Summer Alive, Johnston's second production album, suffers from much of the same problem and has much less song quality to support itself. I think the autotune on TWGMTR speaks for itself despite a number of great songs and little disastrous.
I have no problems with any of the three. After all the complaints going around about autotune, the only one that really sounds terrible on a few tracks is on the new Live CD.
Haven't given a listen to the live CD, and I consider TWGMTR a good album overall, so I'm not saying the vocals are that much of a problem.  However, I do think it is noticeable in comparison to even much inferior songs from the past where the voices sound natural if nothing else.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gohi on July 10, 2013, 02:13:27 PM
I think Crack at Your Love is a good song and one of the only highlights on BB' 85  :o


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: wantsomecorn on July 10, 2013, 09:16:19 PM
Most of Sweet Insanity is completely average, with awkward sounding leads from Brian and was generally a step down from BW88, but "This Song Wants To Sleep With You Tonight" is a nice love song with a Pet Sounds-sounding bass overdub and "Don't Let Her Know She's An Angel" is one of his best solo songs ever. It's intro sounds slicker than anything Joe Thomas could ever dream of producing and is really a haunting statement on Landy's control over Brian's relationships.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Nicko1234 on July 10, 2013, 09:54:35 PM
Most of Sweet Insanity is completely average, with awkward sounding leads from Brian and was generally a step down from BW88, but "This Song Wants To Sleep With You Tonight" is a nice love song with a Pet Sounds-sounding bass overdub and "Don't Let Her Know She's An Angel" is one of his best solo songs ever. It's intro sounds slicker than anything Joe Thomas could ever dream of producing and is really a haunting statement on Landy's control over Brian's relationships.

This Song Wants to Sleep with you Tonight is from well after the Sweet Insanity period though isn`t it?



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: wantsomecorn on July 10, 2013, 10:38:53 PM
Most of Sweet Insanity is completely average, with awkward sounding leads from Brian and was generally a step down from BW88, but "This Song Wants To Sleep With You Tonight" is a nice love song with a Pet Sounds-sounding bass overdub and "Don't Let Her Know She's An Angel" is one of his best solo songs ever. It's intro sounds slicker than anything Joe Thomas could ever dream of producing and is really a haunting statement on Landy's control over Brian's relationships.

This Song Wants to Sleep with you Tonight is from well after the Sweet Insanity period though isn`t it?



Was it? Guess I can blame the not-quite-legal channels for not being period accurate, then.  ;D Brian certainly sounded the part on that song though. Glad his voice has recovered since then.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: hypehat on July 11, 2013, 03:27:20 AM
Yeah, it's produced by Don Was, written with Andy Paley? 1995, I think.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Shady on July 11, 2013, 09:02:52 AM


You and I is Denny's best song.


I hope that's not an unpopular opinion


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Bicyclerider on July 11, 2013, 09:20:43 AM
If Landy had been allowed to write new lyrics for the SMile songs as he had intended, making it a "self help" mental therapy themed album, the result would have far surpassed BWPS.




Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Bean Bag on July 11, 2013, 09:27:10 AM
Landy wanted to redo SMiLE?  I've heard of this... did any work come of it?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Bean Bag on July 11, 2013, 09:34:22 AM
I don't think there was anything wrong with the Landy lyrics on BW 88. They're fine for me!
Setting aside the fact that he was Brian's shrink at the time -- Landy was really just like another collaborator -- a working relationship Brian usually preferred.



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Bean Bag on July 11, 2013, 09:38:31 AM
Rio Grande sounds forced and a little contrived.  Some great moments, of course -- but it never did much for me as a "piece."  I don't think Brian was actually "into" doing that one at that time.  Perhaps on its own it's good -- but it doesn't fit the mid-80s aesthetic, nor the aesthetic of that album.  It's just all wrong for me.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Peter Reum on July 11, 2013, 04:08:11 PM
I love Male Ego.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on July 11, 2013, 04:09:52 PM
I love Male Ego.
Me too. The most rockin' song on 85.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: EgoHanger1966 on July 11, 2013, 04:15:53 PM
I love Male Ego.

A fellow fan of tasty ladies. I hope we'll still like it when we're in our eighties.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on July 12, 2013, 05:21:08 AM
Love Surrounds Me was long, slow and boring.
I agree with you, only correction it is still long, slow & boring.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on July 12, 2013, 05:34:02 AM
Carl's lead vocals from 15BO to LA Light are awful.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on July 12, 2013, 06:36:12 AM
Carl's lead vocals from 15BO to LA Light are awful.
They are different on 15 Big Ones, I'll give you that, but none are awful. Everything on LA is normal Carl type vocals. I really Like his leads on Love You.

EDITED FOR SPELLING


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on July 12, 2013, 08:44:56 AM
Carl's lead vocals from 15BO to LA Light are awful.
There different on 15 Big Ones, I'll give you that, but none are awful. Everything on LA is normal Carl type vocals. I really Like his leads on Love You.

"There" different? Didn't you take someone to task for poor grammar and spelling last week?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gohi on July 12, 2013, 01:58:39 PM
Carl is not a very good lead guitarist.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on July 12, 2013, 02:04:37 PM
Carl's lead vocals from 15BO to LA Light are awful.
There different on 15 Big Ones, I'll give you that, but none are awful. Everything on LA is normal Carl type vocals. I really Like his leads on Love You.

"There" different? Didn't you take someone to task for poor grammar and spelling last week?
Yes, I did. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I really appreciate when you do such things. I will make the necessary correction. See how easy it is to bring up mistakes without getting all pissy about it. Keep up the great work!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on July 12, 2013, 02:48:28 PM
Carl is not a very good lead guitarist.

You understood the original purpose of this thread. :)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Bean Bag on July 12, 2013, 11:35:01 PM
I never knew who did what on a Brian Wilson production -- but if Brian stuck with Carl on a guitar lead, (as he did) that should give everyone pause when passing judgement.

Personally, what I assume was Carl, was actually quite inspiring to me.  Glassy, passionate solos.  Denny's primal drums too.  Love them.  And I suspect they also inspired Brian's "palette."  So to dis Carl's guitar leads... is just wrong.


  :jedi


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on July 13, 2013, 01:14:15 AM
I never knew who did what on a Brian Wilson production -- but if Brian stuck with Carl on a guitar lead, (as he did) that should give everyone pause when passing judgement.

Personally, what I assume was Carl, was actually quite inspiring to me.  Glassy, passionate solos.  Denny's primal drums too.  Love them.  And I suspect they also inspired Brian's "palette."  So to dis Carl's guitar leads... is just wrong.


  :jedi


You haven't understood the original purpose of this thread. ;D


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Yorick on July 13, 2013, 02:44:23 AM
TGWMTR
The God Who Made The Radio  ;D


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on July 13, 2013, 05:31:23 AM
Carl's lead vocals from 15BO to LA Light are awful.
They are different on 15 Big Ones, I'll give you that, but none are awful. Everything on LA is normal Carl type vocals. I really Like his leads on Love You.

EDITED FOR SPELLING

Why not use an apostrophe and have they're instead of they are?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on July 13, 2013, 05:37:36 AM
Carl's lead vocals from 15BO to LA Light are awful.
They are different on 15 Big Ones, I'll give you that, but none are awful. Everything on LA is normal Carl type vocals. I really Like his leads on Love You.

EDITED FOR SPELLING

Why not use an apostrophe and have they're instead of they are?
Since the mistake was brought to my attention, I figured I would spell it out fully instead of using the contraction.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on July 13, 2013, 05:46:16 AM
Maybe a cheeky bit of italics on the "are". Just a thought.......


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: TimeToGetAlone on July 13, 2013, 06:04:07 AM
Maybe I'm taking the secular approach to the title... That Guy Who Made the Radio ;D


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Russ_B66 on July 13, 2013, 06:16:20 AM
I love Male Ego.

A fellow fan of tasty ladies. I hope we'll still like it when we're in our eighties.

When the two-fer of KTSA and BB came out, I was really disappointed to not see it on the track listing. When it came on at the end of the cd, it put a smile on my face. When I got my first cd player in early 1988, I bought the cd right away to hear that track. It is a fun song and a great Mike and Brian vocal. I think that it is a breath of fresh air that will have you humming the "what's your name" part for the rest of the day.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on July 13, 2013, 06:18:44 AM
When I got my first cd player in early 1988

I love the way you remember exactly when you got your first CD player. With me it was summer '91


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Quzi on July 13, 2013, 06:19:21 AM
.......

I'm just not digging this ellipsis at all. Sorry Stephen, it's an awkward length.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gertie J. on July 13, 2013, 06:21:52 AM
who cares about the number of friggin' dots?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on July 13, 2013, 06:26:23 AM
who cares about the number of friggin' dots?

Some sort of dot analyst I'd imagine


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on July 13, 2013, 06:27:09 AM
Sorry Stephen, it's an awkward length.

That's what all the girls say.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Quzi on July 13, 2013, 09:38:10 AM
Sorry Stephen, it's an awkward length.

That's what all the girls say.

:lol I'd think of a witty response but....... I can't stop laughing.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Quzi on July 13, 2013, 09:38:40 AM
If your next message is:

Quote from: (Stephen Newcombe)
Quote from: Quzi
I can't stop laughing
That's what all the girls do.

don't worry man, we can speak it out bro to bro, PM me.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on July 13, 2013, 10:14:46 AM
If your next message is:

Quote from: (Stephen Newcombe)
Quote from: Quzi
I can't stop laughing
That's what all the girls do.

don't worry man, we can speak it out bro to bro, PM me.

 :lol


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on July 13, 2013, 01:10:30 PM
Love Surrounds Me was long, slow and boring.
I agree with you, only correction it is still long, slow & boring.

Nonsense. Dennis dared to be different. The rest of the group were (terminally) stuck in the past. That's the reality.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Cabinessenceking on July 13, 2013, 03:08:23 PM
Love Surrounds Me was long, slow and boring.
I agree with you, only correction it is still long, slow & boring.

Nonsense. Dennis dared to be different. The rest of the group were (terminally) stuck in the past. That's the reality.

At least Brian became by the early 70's when he regressed into his oldies music. He didn't approve of the guitar driven hippie period and since his efforts were recieved lukewarmly after PS he slowly gave up and decided what the audience wanted was not something he was prepared to make.

Carl and Dennis tried to stay contemporary and Mike& Al could be contemporary when directed so. Brian however was the real oldies guy. Bruce was a joke. the least hippest dude to live on the west coast.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on July 13, 2013, 03:12:38 PM
Love Surrounds Me was long, slow and boring.
I agree with you, only correction it is still long, slow & boring.

Nonsense. Dennis dared to be different. The rest of the group were (terminally) stuck in the past. That's the reality.

At least Brian became by the early 70's when he regressed into his oldies music. He didn't approve of the guitar driven hippie period and since his efforts were recieved lukewarmly after PS he slowly gave up and decided what the audience wanted was not something he was prepared to make.

Carl and Dennis tried to stay contemporary and Mike& Al could be contemporary when directed so. Brian however was the real oldies guy. Bruce was a joke. the least hippest dude to live on the west coast.

Where and when did Brian state he didn't approve of the guitar driven hippie period? Would like to read the quote(s). (I ask, because he picked several songs from this period for his 'Brian Wilson presents Beach Boys Classics' album - and in fact he also chose two songs specifically from this period when discussing songs which almost made the cut on the album's inner sleeves! Is this perhaps a case of you personally imagining Brian disapproved of this period and so you're claiming it as fact...?).


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: clack on July 13, 2013, 06:05:47 PM
Bruce has always been the hippest Beach Boy.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on July 13, 2013, 06:14:40 PM
Bruce has always been the hippest Beach Boy.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpqjqb04171qlghpmo1_400.jpg)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on July 14, 2013, 09:37:08 AM
Love Surrounds Me was long, slow and boring.
I agree with you, only correction it is still long, slow & boring.

Nonsense. Dennis dared to be different. The rest of the group were (terminally) stuck in the past. That's the reality.
I've only expressed my own unpopular opinion. Not gonna change it in further future. But I respect your devotion to Dennis's music.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on July 14, 2013, 10:40:58 AM
Bruce has always been the hippest Beach Boy.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpqjqb04171qlghpmo1_400.jpg)

The last thing you see before you get pistol-whipped


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: dwtherealbb on July 14, 2013, 07:10:36 PM
Dennis was what is called a "user" or "hanger-on"


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on July 15, 2013, 01:23:07 AM
Dennis was what is called a "user" or "hanger-on"

Which begs the question, why isn't your name dwtheuserorhangeron?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gertie J. on July 15, 2013, 01:25:27 AM
don't feed him.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on July 15, 2013, 01:29:16 AM
don't feed him.

Yes, you're probably right. I just felt I needed to point out the incongruity of his remark.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: hypehat on July 15, 2013, 06:00:04 AM
Dennis was what is called a "user" or "hanger-on"

Which begs the question, why isn't your name dwtheuserorhangeron?

Haha, a valid point.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on August 07, 2013, 08:09:52 PM
I'm really digging the Beach Boys '85 album lately.  Particularly the Carl numbers.  "It's Gettin' Late," "Maybe I Don't Know," and "Where I Belong" are real gems.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on August 08, 2013, 09:42:09 AM
I'm really digging the Beach Boys '85 album lately.  Particularly the Carl numbers.  "It's Gettin' Late," "Maybe I Don't Know," and "Where I Belong" are real gems.
Agreed, Carl stole the show on that album.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: alf wiedersehen on August 08, 2013, 11:34:26 AM
Cabinessence and Do You Like Worms are my least favorite tracks on Smile.

I like the verses on Cabinessence, they're mellow and kind of spooky, but then the chorus jumps in, very big and kind of ruins the atmosphere. The chorus isn't that impressive to me, either.

I like the drum intro to DYLW a lot, but it kind of falls of for me after that, although I do like the phrasing of "rock, rock, roll, Plymouth rock, roll over."


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mendota Heights on August 13, 2013, 09:40:46 AM
I wrote somewhere I do not like Evie Sands's version of Wouldn't It Be Nice (To Live Again). I have since then changed my mind, think it is an awesome song! Listened to it a lot the past days.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: job on August 13, 2013, 09:46:23 AM
Cabinessence and Do You Like Worms are my least favorite tracks on Smile.

I like the verses on Cabinessence, they're mellow and kind of spooky, but then the chorus jumps in, very big and kind of ruins the atmosphere. The chorus isn't that impressive to me, either.

I like the drum intro to DYLW a lot, but it kind of falls of for me after that, although I do like the phrasing of "rock, rock, roll, Plymouth rock, roll over."

+1


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: schiaffino on August 13, 2013, 10:05:16 AM
My unpopular BB opinion...'Time to Get Alone' is way overrated. Its an ok song, but not one that lives up to the standards set by Brian before 1967.

Maybe if it was recorded by Redwood, it could have made sense. But with a BB production, nope.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on August 13, 2013, 10:15:12 AM
My unpopular BB opinion...'Time to Get Alone' is way overrated. Its an ok song, but not one that lives up to the standards set by Brian before 1967.

Maybe if it was recorded by Redwood, it could have made sense. But with a BB production, nope.
Maybe so, but there is nothing as pretty as "deep and wide" section. Just stunning!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: shelter on August 13, 2013, 10:38:50 AM
I like the verses on Cabinessence, they're mellow and kind of spooky, but then the chorus jumps in, very big and kind of ruins the atmosphere. The chorus isn't that impressive to me, either.
I agree that the chorus isn't nearly as beautiful as the verses. But the music does go very well with the lyrics. First there's the calm and quiet country side, and then this big, steaming iron horse comes rolling by. It's quite brilliant how Brian captured that in the music.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: schiaffino on August 13, 2013, 12:58:26 PM
My unpopular BB opinion...'Time to Get Alone' is way overrated. Its an ok song, but not one that lives up to the standards set by Brian before 1967.

Maybe if it was recorded by Redwood, it could have made sense. But with a BB production, nope.
Maybe so, but there is nothing as pretty as "deep and wide" section. Just stunning!

Mmm...since its an personal opinion, I gotta admit it doesnt do it for me: Dont like the break, nor the echo, nor how the voices harmonize there. But I do like how Carl comes after and saves the melody.

But again, its not a song as big as most people in this board put it. That's why its an unpopular point of view  ;D


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SonicVolcano on August 13, 2013, 01:04:06 PM
Cabinessence and Do You Like Worms are my least favorite tracks on Smile.

I like the verses on Cabinessence, they're mellow and kind of spooky, but then the chorus jumps in, very big and kind of ruins the atmosphere. The chorus isn't that impressive to me, either.

I like the drum intro to DYLW a lot, but it kind of falls of for me after that, although I do like the phrasing of "rock, rock, roll, Plymouth rock, roll over."

I love Cabinessence for this particular part alone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dje0M5b_9M



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gabo on August 13, 2013, 02:27:40 PM
I too think the bridge of Time To Get Alone is pretty lame compared to the rest of the song... I feel the same way about the bridge of I'll Bet He's Nice. Not every song needs a bridge Brian!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on August 13, 2013, 02:49:01 PM
My unpopular BB opinion...'Time to Get Alone' is way overrated. Its an ok song, but not one that lives up to the standards set by Brian before 1967.

Maybe if it was recorded by Redwood, it could have made sense. But with a BB production, nope.
Maybe so, but there is nothing as pretty as "deep and wide" section. Just stunning!

Funny you would post that.... I like "Time To Get Alone" a lot, but I could see it as being overrated. However, I NEVER liked the "deep and wide" part. I always found it out of place and annoying. It never made any sense to me how that part "fit" the rest of the song.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gohi on August 13, 2013, 03:00:27 PM
I too think the bridge of Time To Get Alone is pretty lame compared to the rest of the song... I feel the same way about the bridge of I'll Bet He's Nice. Not every song needs a bridge Brian!
Those bridges are brill.  :o


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mr. Cohen on August 13, 2013, 03:05:34 PM
Is "Time To Get Alone" as good as Pet Sounds? Maybe not quite, but it's still a really good song. I think it was unfortunate that the BBs cut out the bridge with the horns, but it didn't ruin the song.

"Cabinessence" is a ridiculously brilliant song, although I've always thought that the mix on the chorus came out a bit too muddled. It lacks the ideal dynamic range it needed. Actually, I have that complaint about a lot of Smile. I don't know if the tapes became worn from being overplayed or what, but the mixes often sound kinda flat, especially compared to the excellent clarity and dynamics on Beatles releases at the time, Brian seems to have maybe applied Spector-style mono engineering when a more modern approach was necessary to capture the full range of sounds he was dreaming up.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on August 13, 2013, 03:40:27 PM
My unpopular BB opinion...'Time to Get Alone' is way overrated. Its an ok song, but not one that lives up to the standards set by Brian before 1967.

Maybe if it was recorded by Redwood, it could have made sense. But with a BB production, nope.
Maybe so, but there is nothing as pretty as "deep and wide" section. Just stunning!

Funny you would post that.... I like "Time To Get Alone" a lot, but I could see it as being overrated. However, I NEVER liked the "deep and wide" part. I always found it out of place and annoying. It never made any sense to me how that part "fit" the rest of the song.
Seriously? Listen to the words of the song and then figure where they are singing that causes an echo effect. Haven't you ever yelled across a valley from the top of a mountainside?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on August 13, 2013, 05:22:18 PM
My unpopular BB opinion...'Time to Get Alone' is way overrated. Its an ok song, but not one that lives up to the standards set by Brian before 1967.

Maybe if it was recorded by Redwood, it could have made sense. But with a BB production, nope.
Maybe so, but there is nothing as pretty as "deep and wide" section. Just stunning!

Funny you would post that.... I like "Time To Get Alone" a lot, but I could see it as being overrated. However, I NEVER liked the "deep and wide" part. I always found it out of place and annoying. It never made any sense to me how that part "fit" the rest of the song.
Seriously? Listen to the words of the song and then figure where they are singing that causes an echo effect. Haven't you ever yelled across a valley from the top of a mountainside?

Wow. You just absolutely HATE the rest of us, don't you, Doctor?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: sockittome on August 13, 2013, 05:23:55 PM
My unpopular BB opinion...'Time to Get Alone' is way overrated. Its an ok song, but not one that lives up to the standards set by Brian before 1967.

Maybe if it was recorded by Redwood, it could have made sense. But with a BB production, nope.
Maybe so, but there is nothing as pretty as "deep and wide" section. Just stunning!

Funny you would post that.... I like "Time To Get Alone" a lot, but I could see it as being overrated. However, I NEVER liked the "deep and wide" part. I always found it out of place and annoying. It never made any sense to me how that part "fit" the rest of the song.
Seriously? Listen to the words of the song and then figure where they are singing that causes an echo effect. Haven't you ever yelled across a valley from the top of a mountainside?

I agree that the "deep and wide" part is annoying.  Not sure I would call it out of place, though.  The problem for me is that, as some folks have pointed out in the past, the "deep and wide" line is a bit too loud and jarring.  Here you have a mellow, feel-good little ditty abruptly interrupted by a wake up call, and then it goes back into mellow mode with some breathtaking harmonies into the fade.  I like what Mark Linnett did by taking the "D & W" part down a few notches; that works a lot better for me and is a little less in your face.  Problem is, that's the only thing I like about his remix.  


Sooooooo, there you have it.....I've tossed out a few opinions.  Don't know if any of them are unpopular.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on August 13, 2013, 05:54:20 PM
My unpopular BB opinion...'Time to Get Alone' is way overrated. Its an ok song, but not one that lives up to the standards set by Brian before 1967.

Maybe if it was recorded by Redwood, it could have made sense. But with a BB production, nope.
Maybe so, but there is nothing as pretty as "deep and wide" section. Just stunning!

Funny you would post that.... I like "Time To Get Alone" a lot, but I could see it as being overrated. However, I NEVER liked the "deep and wide" part. I always found it out of place and annoying. It never made any sense to me how that part "fit" the rest of the song.
Seriously? Listen to the words of the song and then figure where they are singing that causes an echo effect. Haven't you ever yelled across a valley from the top of a mountainside?

Wow. You just absolutely HATE the rest of us, don't you, Doctor?
He said he didn't understand how it fit. I explained how it fit. How the f*** is that HATE? Now, if the Sheriff had an issue, I would understand, but you? What fucking right do you have to say that? I generally never hate anything, but I just might make an exception for you. ;)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on August 13, 2013, 06:03:21 PM
When I say stuff like "Seriously", I am honestly dumbfounded by what I read. I have heard this song for over 40 years and understood the "Deep and wide" since the first time I heard it. So, I am sometimes surprised by some of the things I read. It's an honest reaction, not a put down to the poster. I guess this is where if I spoke instead of written my reply, everyone would of understood what I meant. So Sheriff, if you took offense to my answer, I apologize ahead of time to you.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on August 13, 2013, 06:17:36 PM
When I say stuff like "Seriously", I am honestly dumbfounded by what I read. I have heard this song for over 40 years and understood the "Deep and wide" since the first time I heard it. So, I am sometimes surprised by some of the things I read. It's an honest reaction, not a put down to the poster. I guess this is where if I spoke instead of written my reply, everyone would of understood what I meant. So Sheriff, if you took offense to my answer, I apologize ahead of time to you.

No offense.

I didn't word my post well. Of course I know how "deep and wide" fits lyrically, thematically, and what they were trying to get across with the loud echo effect. But, sockittome's post says it much better than I did. The part is loud and jarring, and I don't think that loud singing/vocal arrangement FITS with the mellow, laid back essence of the song. But that's just my unpopular opinion.

I wanted to throw in something about "Cabinessence". I'm not posting this to disagree with any previous posters, but I think "Cabinessence" is in the Top 5 of Brian's most brilliant - or something like that, maybe mind blowing, jaw dropping, or "how did he write that" - compositions. I've listened to it a thousand times in my lifetime and it still impresses me. Whenever I think of the scrapping of SMiLE going into the recording of Smiley Smile, I always think of "Cabinessence (even more than "Surf's Up') and think, "How could somebody (Brian) NOT want that song to be heard"?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gabo on August 13, 2013, 06:29:46 PM
He said he didn't understand how it fit. I explained how it fit. How the f*** is that HATE? Now, if the Sheriff had an issue, I would understand, but you? What fucking right do you have to say that? I generally never hate anything, but I just might make an exception for you. ;)

Discussion of "Time To Get Alone" isn't worth that kind of language.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Jason on August 13, 2013, 06:41:27 PM
My unpopular BB opinion...'Time to Get Alone' is way overrated. Its an ok song, but not one that lives up to the standards set by Brian before 1967.

Maybe if it was recorded by Redwood, it could have made sense. But with a BB production, nope.
Maybe so, but there is nothing as pretty as "deep and wide" section. Just stunning!

Funny you would post that.... I like "Time To Get Alone" a lot, but I could see it as being overrated. However, I NEVER liked the "deep and wide" part. I always found it out of place and annoying. It never made any sense to me how that part "fit" the rest of the song.
Seriously? Listen to the words of the song and then figure where they are singing that causes an echo effect. Haven't you ever yelled across a valley from the top of a mountainside?

Wow. You just absolutely HATE the rest of us, don't you, Doctor?

That is such a stupid post; I don't even know where to begin. How in the hell do you arrive at such a ridiculous, nonsensical conclusion?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on August 13, 2013, 07:19:26 PM
He said he didn't understand how it fit. I explained how it fit. How the f*** is that HATE? Now, if the Sheriff had an issue, I would understand, but you? What fucking right do you have to say that? I generally never hate anything, but I just might make an exception for you. ;)

Discussion of "Time To Get Alone" isn't worth that kind of language.
You are correct, that was uncalled for. I lost my temper. To you and anyone else who was offended, my sincere apology for saying that. Just so you know, it was not the song, but saying that I must HATE everyone that ticked me off.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on August 13, 2013, 11:52:19 PM
He said he didn't understand how it fit. I explained how it fit. How the f*** is that HATE? Now, if the Sheriff had an issue, I would understand, but you? What fucking right do you have to say that? I generally never hate anything, but I just might make an exception for you. ;)

Discussion of "Time To Get Alone" isn't worth that kind of language.
You are correct, that was uncalled for. I lost my temper. To you and anyone else who was offended, my sincere apology for saying that. Just so you know, it was not the song, but saying that I must HATE everyone that ticked me off.

I think you were absolutely justified in using the f-word. You made a perfectly reasonable (and accurate) counter-argument re Time To Get Alone, and in response you were accused of hating everybody. It was ridiculous! Quite frankly I think you've shown restraint if anything. Honestly, if someone's only response to having someone disagree with them is to resort to accusing them of being hate-filled then they're in serious need of some perspective... and should f*** off.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: signedsincerely on August 15, 2013, 08:34:06 AM
First time I've seen this thread!

The main one I have is that the order of the Pet Sounds track list is atrocious; it feels like they hit the "randomize" button to decide it.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Quzi on August 15, 2013, 08:42:51 AM
Is "Time To Get Alone" as good as Pet Sounds? Maybe not quite, but it's still a really good song. I think it was unfortunate that the BBs cut out the bridge with the horns, but it didn't ruin the song.

"Cabinessence" is a ridiculously brilliant song, although I've always thought that the mix on the chorus came out a bit too muddled. It lacks the ideal dynamic range it needed. Actually, I have that complaint about a lot of Smile. I don't know if the tapes became worn from being overplayed or what, but the mixes often sound kinda flat, especially compared to the excellent clarity and dynamics on Beatles releases at the time, Brian seems to have maybe applied Spector-style mono engineering when a more modern approach was necessary to capture the full range of sounds he was dreaming up.

I personally find the horns in the Hawthorne version a bit superfluous, that being said, the a cappella ending is fantastic, tacking it onto Mark's 2009 remix is one of the better things I've done with my life :hat


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Summer_Days on August 15, 2013, 09:15:24 AM
I have very few unpopular Beach Boys opinions...hmmm lemme think..


- 'Baby Blue' is Denny's best song with the group, not 'Forever', wonderful as it is.

- The early stuff is sometimes as good better than SMiLE music or Sunflower, depending on the song.

- Tony Asher is a better BW collaborator than Van Dyke Parks. Or at very least they wrote better songs together.

- Wild Honey's greatness can only really be enjoyed in mono. In fact I think that's true with most of the BBs 60s output. This opinion seems to be growing less and less popular everyday...

- 'Sloop John B' is one of the best tracks on Pet Sounds, and one of the best things the band ever recorded.




Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: MBE on August 15, 2013, 12:25:02 PM
Summer Days, it would not bother me if I never hear a stereo Beach Boys mix from before Friends again. I love mono.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gabo on August 15, 2013, 01:36:18 PM
I'm not a very big fan of Good Vibrations. I can see why it was a hit, and I like the production, but the song itself underwhelms me. Give me Wouldn't It Be Nice or Sloop John B any day.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on August 15, 2013, 01:46:03 PM
I'm not a very big fan of Good Vibrations. I can see why it was a hit, and I like the production, but the song itself underwhelms me. Give me Wouldn't It Be Nice or Sloop John B any day.
I like GV, but like you, I prefer the other two over it, as well. Wouldn't It Be Nice is my favorite Beach Boys song, bar done. :)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: sockittome on August 15, 2013, 05:18:04 PM
I like the majority of the stereo remixes.  And what's really cool is that we still have the original monos; they have not been recalled.  Everybody should be happy!  :)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Quzi on August 15, 2013, 08:15:14 PM
The poor execution of the tambourine hit in Good Vibrations @14s bugs me quite a bit. Same with the fidelity change between "I love the coulorful clothes she wears" and "and the way the sunlight plays along her hair".


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: tony p on August 15, 2013, 09:34:18 PM
Not sure if this has already been written but....

SMiLE wouldve been 10x the album it is if it werent for VDP stupid, nonsensical, boring lyrics.



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on August 15, 2013, 10:18:28 PM
Here's an unpopular opinion that will blow minds...

I'm SO sick of the Mike v the rest of the band feud that at this point, I'm enjoying the Beatles' music more these days, because there's much less baggage associated with it. There's something I never would've said a month ago. I think Brian's a genius, Mike's talented in his own right, Al is a true professional musically, Dave's a great guitarist and cool guy, and Bruce is...Bruce, but I wish everybody would just shut the hell up and just play music. There. I said it.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Pretty Funky on August 15, 2013, 10:26:08 PM
Wrong thread.

That's a popular opinion here!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on August 15, 2013, 10:40:10 PM
Yeah, but it seems like many side with one side or the other. Me? I'm pissed at both. Thank God the boxed set is coming out...I may not be able to afford it but we REALLY need a reminder of why we're here, cause this petty bickering in the press sure as hell ain't it.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: runnersdialzero on August 16, 2013, 01:30:42 AM
Love Surrounds Me was long, slow and boring.
I agree with you, only correction it is still long, slow & boring.

Nonsense. Dennis dared to be different. The rest of the group were (terminally) stuck in the past. That's the reality.

At least Brian became by the early 70's when he regressed into his oldies music. He didn't approve of the guitar driven hippie period and since his efforts were recieved lukewarmly after PS he slowly gave up and decided what the audience wanted was not something he was prepared to make.

Carl and Dennis tried to stay contemporary and Mike& Al could be contemporary when directed so. Brian however was the real oldies guy. Bruce was a joke. the least hippest dude to live on the west coast.

Yeah man, it's all about being hip and keeping up with trends. The best artists and people conform to what's going on around them.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: hypehat on August 16, 2013, 01:35:34 AM
Not sure if this has already been written but....

SMiLE wouldve been 10x the album it is if it werent for VDP stupid, nonsensical, boring lyrics.



Mike?! Is that you?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on August 16, 2013, 02:05:11 AM
Not sure if this has already been written but....

SMiLE wouldve been 10x the album it is if it werent for VDP stupid, nonsensical, boring lyrics.



Well I'd say that Surf's Up is as near a perfect song as you can get. And Van Dyke did a great job with H&V and Wonderfull. Cabinessence isn't too shabby either. As for the rest, I really would have loved to see what Mike could have come up with for Brian's music from this period.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Cabinessenceking on August 16, 2013, 02:30:16 AM
Not sure if this has already been written but....

SMiLE wouldve been 10x the album it is if it werent for VDP stupid, nonsensical, boring lyrics.



Well I'd say that Surf's Up is as near a perfect song as you can get. And Van Dyke did a great job with H&V and Wonderfull. Cabinessence isn't too shabby either. As for the rest, I really would have loved to see what Mike could have come up with for Brian's music from this period.


Heroes and Waves?
Do You Like Girls?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on August 16, 2013, 08:28:10 AM
Here's an unpopular opinion that will blow minds...

I'm SO sick of the Mike v the rest of the band feud that at this point, I'm enjoying the Beatles' music more these days, because there's much less baggage associated with it. There's something I never would've said a month ago. I think Brian's a genius, Mike's talented in his own right, Al is a true professional musically, Dave's a great guitarist and cool guy, and Bruce is...Bruce, but I wish everybody would just shut the hell up and just play music. There. I said it.
Billy, for me the Beach Boys music washes away all that crap. I don't care what they do. How I feel won't change the situation anyway. They rarely ever listen to the fans or how they feel.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on August 19, 2013, 04:37:26 AM
I have very few unpopular Beach Boys opinions...hmmm lemme think..

- The early stuff is sometimes as good better than SMiLE music or Sunflower, depending on the song.

- 'Sloop John B' is one of the best tracks on Pet Sounds, and one of the best things the band ever recorded.
Yes & yes, only correction SJB is the best track on PS, not one of.

Quote
- Wild Honey's greatness can only really be enjoyed in mono. In fact I think that's true with most of the BBs 60s output. This opinion seems to be growing less and less popular everyday...
Really? According to my observations, most people here prefer mono. I for one enjoy both in various songs. F.ex., You Still Believe In Me is sonically good in mono, Here Today - in stereo etc. That said, I'm a fan of the latter.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Quzi on August 19, 2013, 05:23:17 AM
When I first became a fan waaaaaaaay back in 2011 I preferred stereo. I didn't even know what "mono" was. I'd never listened to it before and when I eventually did, it sounded unusual to my stereo conditioned ears. Instead of giving it time to get used to, I just sought stereo mixes.

I think about a year in my fandom I got annoyed at a stereo mix on Surfin' U.S.A., probably "Lana" or "Lonely Sea". Anyway, I did a fold down of the stereo track and it the improvement was like night and day for me. It really made me receptive to the idea of perhaps giving mono another shot.

When the remixes came about last year, I thought I'd give the mono mixes a focused listen and I was really astounded at just how good they sounded. Particularly Shut Down Volume 2 and Surfin' U.S.A. (those instrumentals cook in mono). I'd say my preference now is equally divided. Some days I'll throw on stereo, some days mono.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on August 19, 2013, 06:16:48 AM
When the remixes came about last year, I thought I'd give the mono mixes a focused listen and I was really astounded at just how good they sounded. Particularly Shut Down Volume 2 and Surfin' U.S.A. (those instrumentals cook in mono). I'd say my preference now is equally divided. Some days I'll throw on stereo, some days mono.

I remember when some nice sent me needledrops of the mono LPs many years ago, I listened to Shut Down Volume 2, which I had thought of as a minor effort before, and hearing it in mono, I thought "Wow, what a beautiful album this really is!"


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on August 19, 2013, 06:20:52 AM
Not sure if this has already been written but....

SMiLE wouldve been 10x the album it is if it werent for VDP stupid, nonsensical, boring lyrics.



Well I'd say that Surf's Up is as near a perfect song as you can get. And Van Dyke did a great job with H&V and Wonderfull. Cabinessence isn't too shabby either. As for the rest, I really would have loved to see what Mike could have come up with for Brian's music from this period.

I'd say, Mike would have come up with equally good lyrics for Cabin Essence, even better lyrics for Wonderful, but never could have done Surf's Up. (Mike should have sung the line "Surf's up aboard a tidal wave" though, his voice would have been perfect for that!)

DYLW has the third worst lyrics of all BB songs, coming right after "The Private Life Of Bill And Sue" and "Summer Of Love".


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on August 19, 2013, 07:26:09 AM
Do you mean Roll Plymouth Rock from Brian's solo version?  Do You Like Worms doesn't really have lyrics, it's mostly chanting.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on August 19, 2013, 07:31:06 AM
Do you mean Roll Plymouth Rock from Brian's solo version?  Do You Like Worms doesn't really have lyrics, it's mostly chanting.

Doy you really expect an answer to that? As far as I know, the missing lyrics to DYLW were known before RPR was recorded, they're the same.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on August 19, 2013, 09:55:34 AM
Not sure if this has already been written but....

SMiLE wouldve been 10x the album it is if it werent for VDP stupid, nonsensical, boring lyrics.



Well I'd say that Surf's Up is as near a perfect song as you can get. And Van Dyke did a great job with H&V and Wonderfull. Cabinessence isn't too shabby either. As for the rest, I really would have loved to see what Mike could have come up with for Brian's music from this period.

I'd say, Mike would have come up with equally good lyrics for Cabin Essence, even better lyrics for Wonderful, but never could have done Surf's Up. (Mike should have sung the line "Surf's up aboard a tidal wave" though, his voice would have been perfect for that!)

DYLW has the third worst lyrics of all BB songs, coming right after "The Private Life Of Bill And Sue" and "Summer Of Love".

Agreed. Mike had just come off Good Vibrations and would pen the lyrics to Darlin', Let The Wind Blow, Wild Honey and Here Comes The Night within the next year. He clearly could have delivered the goods.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: runnersdialzero on August 19, 2013, 02:16:14 PM
Blondie was a phenomenal vocalist, Ricky an excellent drummer, I loved them as performers and I'm not one of those odd folks who try to discredit those two as legitimate Beach Boys members. However...

As much as the Endless Summer thing set the band back a million years, I'm so, so glad they did not continue down the path of becoming a boring, cliche 70s rawk band as they sounded on live shows in the '72 and '73. Don't get me wrong, there are some cool moments in there, but it was just extremely ill-fitting for the Beach Boys and would've made their 70s output just as dated as it ended up being, but in a different way.

It feels like people call this their "live peak" just because they sound like a traditional rock 'n' roll band. Sorry, if I wanted that sound, I'd look elsewhere, not toward the Beach Boys. Like, omg it's serious and dignified rock music, it sounds so important, it sounds like a million other bands of this era, that must mean it's good, there's no Brian Wilson-esque silliness to be found. Give me stuff like "Had To Phone Ya" or Love You over the likes of "Here She Comes" or "Hard Times" or the many updated 70s rawk arrangements of older songs which was just in really poor taste, to me. It's like they were extremely far removed from what they'd been up until that point, and not in a "Wow, they've really grown" sort of way ala Today! or Smile or whatever, but more of an "Wow, this is really ill-fitting for them and I don't understand why they're copping a bunch of other bands' style" way.

That stupid "boogie" riff and feel of the In Concert "Help Me, Rhonda" might be the best example. Come on, a thousand other songs sound exactly like that, "Help Me, Rhonda" does not need to be one of them.

IMO~~~~~~~~~~~~


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gabo on August 19, 2013, 06:13:39 PM
Give me stuff like "Had To Phone Ya" or Love You over the likes of "Here She Comes" or "Hard Times"

yesss


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on August 19, 2013, 06:30:04 PM
I feel very different than Runners, but I like the Allman Bros. so I guess it comes down to a matter of taste.

CATP is one of my favorite albums by the Boys, as is In Concert. I would have been happy if they'd continued on in that vein for a few more decades. I laughed out loud repeatedly the first time I heard the 15BO/Love You twofer, and not in a good way. MIU and LA nearly made me weep the first time I listened to them, but not in a good way (except for Baby Blue).

Strangely, I loved KTSA and BB85. I guess my opinion isn't worth much at all after admitting all of that, eh?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gabo on August 19, 2013, 06:57:49 PM
I laugh out loud every time I hear Make It Good.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on August 19, 2013, 10:20:55 PM
I guess my opinion isn't worth much at all after admitting all of that, eh?

Exactly as much as everybody else's.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on August 19, 2013, 10:23:42 PM
Blondie was a phenomenal vocalist, Ricky an excellent drummer, I loved them as performers and I'm not one of those odd folks who try to discredit those two as legitimate Beach Boys members. However...

As much as the Endless Summer thing set the band back a million years, I'm so, so glad they did not continue down the path of becoming a boring, cliche 70s rawk band as they sounded on live shows in the '72 and '73. Don't get me wrong, there are some cool moments in there, but it was just extremely ill-fitting for the Beach Boys and would've made their 70s output just as dated as it ended up being, but in a different way.

It feels like people call this their "live peak" just because they sound like a traditional rock 'n' roll band. Sorry, if I wanted that sound, I'd look elsewhere, not toward the Beach Boys. Like, omg it's serious and dignified rock music, it sounds so important, it sounds like a million other bands of this era, that must mean it's good, there's no Brian Wilson-esque silliness to be found. Give me stuff like "Had To Phone Ya" or Love You over the likes of "Here She Comes" or "Hard Times" or the many updated 70s rawk arrangements of older songs which was just in really poor taste, to me. It's like they were extremely far removed from what they'd been up until that point, and not in a "Wow, they've really grown" sort of way ala Today! or Smile or whatever, but more of an "Wow, this is really ill-fitting for them and I don't understand why they're copping a bunch of other bands' style" way.

That stupid "boogie" riff and feel of the In Concert "Help Me, Rhonda" might be the best example. Come on, a thousand other songs sound exactly like that, "Help Me, Rhonda" does not need to be one of them.

IMO~~~~~~~~~~~~

Agree with this unpopular opinion, except the part I made smaller.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: MBE on August 20, 2013, 02:45:15 AM
Not artistically mind you but I often dislike  vocal only or stereo remixes on comps. I would rather the space be taken up by unreleased takes, songs, or performances. Is that controversial enough?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: hypehat on August 20, 2013, 03:46:11 AM
Acapella mixes are amazing, stereo remix tracks not so much. I admit I do get intrigued by them but it's more educational in places.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Matt Bielewicz on August 20, 2013, 04:14:59 AM
I'm with runners. To me early 70s rock is the slough of despond, and anything that makes the Beach Boys more like that is a bad move. But that's probably because I really, really DON'T like the Allman Brothers. Or the Doobies, or the Eagles, or Bachman Turner Overdrive — or anything like that.

And yet, also like runners, I do like what Blondie and Ricky bought to the band. I like that they injected a ton of new energy, and made the touring Beach Boys sound *different*. And Carl and the Passions is fun as a one-off studio effort that takes that ethos from the road to the studio; but I'm not sure I would have liked Beach Boys albums to start sounding that way in the long run.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Matt Bielewicz on August 20, 2013, 04:16:04 AM
And here's another one:

The change from beautiful crystalline chamber pop on Sunflower to the more proggy, 'serious-sounding' Surf's Up is widely regarded as a good move that started to revive the Beach Boys' commercial fortunes in the early 70s.

That's never sat well with me. Surf's Up sounds like a mash of poorly integrated material to me - I actually prefer CATP as something that plays through more coherently. Not to denigrate some of the individual tracks, like Til I Die and the title track, but Surf's Up doesn't work as a whole album to me at all.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on August 21, 2013, 04:36:37 PM
Here's one.

As much as I love him, I often find Brian harping on about his mental illness and abusive father quite irritating. After all, some people in the world have had it much worse without all the money and opportunities he has had. Some people in the world are starving and would laugh in his face (if they weren't too busy starving) when he talked about his problems.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: ontor pertawst on August 21, 2013, 04:37:33 PM
I think it's more that he's constantly asked about mental illness, drugs, and his dad just about every single time he's interviewed. That's the kind of stuff journalists love writing about and folks love a nice easy to grasp character arc.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on August 21, 2013, 04:41:45 PM
True, but wouldn't it be refreshing if he, and all the other self obsessed celebrities with their 'problems' turned round and said "actually, I'm really lucky, some people in the world really have it hard", when questioned?



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: ontor pertawst on August 21, 2013, 04:46:31 PM
Sure, those sort of People-magazine-type-people babbling about their problems get awfully obnoxious.

I dunno that in Brian's case. problems should be in mocking quotes. It's not like he's whining about being a chocoholic or claims to be a sex addict! He seems to just want to tell the person what they want to hear in as few words as possible to get the interview over with quickly, not really self-obsessing. I'd imagine he'd have much longer, whinier interviews if that were the case.

Gushing to Oprah, say. She'd be all over that story. Or People.

(http://paisleyboulevard.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/IMG_7227.jpg)

D'oh! I give up. Time for dinner.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on August 21, 2013, 04:57:36 PM
Here's one.

As much as I love him, I often find Brian harping on about his mental illness and abusive father quite irritating. After all, some people in the world have had it much worse without all the money and opportunities he has had. Some people in the world are starving and would laugh in his face (if they weren't too busy starving) when he talked about his problems.


Mental illness is not something that can be controlled.  If you went up to a person suffering from clinical depression and told them to cheer up because people in the world have it much worse, you're going to get some dirty looks.  Yeah, Brian has had huge success but all the love and money in the world isn't going to cure him, that's not how it works.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on August 22, 2013, 12:11:35 AM
Here's one.

As much as I love him, I often find Brian harping on about his mental illness and abusive father quite irritating. After all, some people in the world have had it much worse without all the money and opportunities he has had. Some people in the world are starving and would laugh in his face (if they weren't too busy starving) when he talked about his problems.


Mental illness is not something that can be controlled.  If you went up to a person suffering from clinical depression and told them to cheer up because people in the world have it much worse, you're going to get some dirty looks.  Yeah, Brian has had huge success but all the love and money in the world isn't going to cure him, that's not how it works.

I know, I spent my 20's with clinical depression, and what a self obsessed little whiner I was. At the time I knew it was illness over which I had no control, but now, looking back, I think that was just excuses. There was plenty I could have done to have snapped out of it. Now I look back and I'm embarrassed, so no. I don't have time for it.

Did you know, in poor parts of the world there isn't such a thing as clinical depression. People are too bust trying to survive. Clinical depression is an invention of the mollycoddled west IMO.

My grandmother, who lived through the blitz and lost loved ones in the war used to ask me what I had to be depressed about, and I used to whine at her about how woeful my life was. How embarrassing this is for me now.

I get your point though, and Brian's illness was far worse than mine. BUT, like mine it was exasperated by drug use, so ultimately he is responsible. I try to retain my pity for people who deserve it, not rich rock stars who have never had to face reality.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on August 22, 2013, 02:40:53 AM
I'm not sure I interpret the phrase "lived through the blitz" correctly. Care to explain?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: runnersdialzero on August 22, 2013, 02:58:24 AM
Quote
I know, I spent my 20's with clinical depression, and what a self obsessed little whiner I was. At the time I knew it was illness over which I had no control, but now, looking back, I think that was just excuses. There was plenty I could have done to have snapped out of it. Now I look back and I'm embarrassed, so no. I don't have time for it.

From how you're describing it, no, you seemingly didn't have clinical depression and don't seem to understand how it works at all.

Quote
Did you know, in poor parts of the world there isn't such a thing as clinical depression. People are too busy trying to survive.

Probably due to extremely poor medical care, lack of understanding of mental illness and, above all else, people with mental illness likely don't last nearly as long in those parts for a number of reasons. Lack of understanding and lack of documentation doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Quote
I get your point though, and Brian's illness was far worse than mine. BUT, like mine it was exasperated by drug use, so ultimately he is responsible. I try to retain my pity for people who deserve it, not rich rock stars who have never had to face reality.

Brian hearing voices and having hallucinations was just as likely to happen eventually had he never touched drugs. People go through this sh*t all the time without doing drugs. Ever. Merely existing can often be a total nightmare for them. Attitudes like yours only make things harder for them.

Are you really gonna tell someone with schizophrenia to "get over it" because other people have it worse? It's not a contest, for Christ's sake, and anyone living with mental illness in a non-poor area is likely well aware that others have it worse (which, in turn, can create even more guilt and shame than they already very much feel. Neat!). It doesn't prevent their brain from being broken to some extent. Think about it: who WANTS to be a broken, depressed failure who struggles just to exist? Standing in the kitchen making dinner and suddenly being struck with fear, panic, and loss of control? Sitting down after a long day and suddenly, without warning or reason, being absolutely overwhelmed and exhausted with sadness for no reason? Sounds like a shitty time, to me.

I don't think you'd tell a cancer patient, "Shape up, others have it much worse," so why come after people with genuine mental illness? Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not going on or it's your place to judge if they're genuinely ill or not. Any disease will have its scam artists, plenty of people have faked having cancer to get money, does that mean we should have an attiitude and badger someone anytime they say they have cancer? The situation is the same here.

Hopefully you don't take this as an attack, I just can't get on board with this sort of thinking. It feels very regressive to me, only making the problem worse. Again, it's not a contest of who has it worse, here. You can be horribly, clinically depressed, ill-fit for this world and this life, and still be extremely compassionate toward those less fortunate than you are and appreciate that you have it better than they do and hey, you're lucky to be alive and still have a chance.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Amazing Larry on August 22, 2013, 03:08:25 AM
Quote
I know, I spent my 20's with clinical depression, and what a self obsessed little whiner I was. At the time I knew it was illness over which I had no control, but now, looking back, I think that was just excuses. There was plenty I could have done to have snapped out of it. Now I look back and I'm embarrassed, so no. I don't have time for it.

From how you're describing it, no, you didn't have clinical depression and don't seem to understand how it works at all.

Quote
Did you know, in poor parts of the world there isn't such a thing as clinical depression. People are too busy trying to survive.

Probably due to extremely poor medical care, lack of understanding of mental illness and, above all else, people with mental illness likely don't last nearly as long in those parts for a number of reasons. Lack of understanding and lack of documentation doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Quote
I get your point though, and Brian's illness was far worse than mine. BUT, like mine it was exasperated by drug use, so ultimately he is responsible. I try to retain my pity for people who deserve it, not rich rock stars who have never had to face reality.

Brian hearing voices and having hallucinations was just as likely to happen eventually had he never touched drugs. People go through this sh*t all the time without doing drugs. Ever. Merely existing can often be a total nightmare for them. Attitudes like yours only make things harder for them.

Are you really gonna tell someone with schizophrenia to "get over it" because other people have it worse? It's not a contest, for Christ's sake, and anyone living with mental illness in a non-poor area is likely well aware that others have it worse (which, in turn, can create even more guilt and shame than they already very much feel. Neat!). It doesn't prevent their brain from being broken to some extent.

I don't think you'd tell a cancer patient "Shape up, others have it much worse," so why come after people with genuine mental illness? Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not going on or it's your place to judge if they're genuinely ill or not.
Although I agree with you, Runners, don't you think you're being a little harsh?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: runnersdialzero on August 22, 2013, 03:12:45 AM
See slightly revised version above. I wanted to make it clear that I wasn't going after him personally, this is just something I really disagree with him on. If I was harsh, it wasn't intentional and it was only because I feel this attitude toward mental illness, be it clinical depression to being fully mentally disabled, is pretty harsh, itself.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on August 22, 2013, 03:12:57 AM
I'm not sure I interpret the phrase "lived through the blitz" correctly. Care to explain?

It's either a reference to the air raid bombings over England during WW2 or the time granny unwisely ordered the chicken vindaloo.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Amazing Larry on August 22, 2013, 03:39:08 AM
I'm not sure I interpret the phrase "lived through the blitz" correctly. Care to explain?

It's either a reference to the air raid bombings over England during WW2 or the time granny unwisely ordered the chicken vindaloo.
Likely both.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: MBE on August 22, 2013, 04:05:07 AM
Brian's people letting so much press be done on the mental problems is perhaps sad in that it has sometimes overshadowed Brian creatively. As far as how he feels, until you walk in any mans shoes.....
Sure there are worse things than being Brian Wilson, but every one of us has our own personal problems to handle. Maybe a rich rock star has some cool things most don't but there are also demands and things you give up that are hard on the most stable of people. You can look up, you can look down, but in fighting his problems I see Brian as nothing but strong in that area.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on August 22, 2013, 04:17:01 AM
I'm not sure I interpret the phrase "lived through the blitz" correctly. Care to explain?

It's either a reference to the air raid bombings over England during WW2 or the time granny unwisely ordered the chicken vindaloo.
Likely both.

I was interpreting it as living in Poland in 1939, an I had to look up "vindaloo". Waiting for Stephen's explanation.


Are you really gonna tell someone with schizophrenia to "get over it" because other people have it worse?

...

I don't think you'd tell a cancer patient, "Shape up, others have it much worse," so why come after people with genuine mental illness?

To be fair, Stephen referred to depression only, not other mental of physical diseases.

I think he might be right that the western lifestyle makes the appearance of depression happen more often, but I disagree with him when he says it's their own fault, even when they take drugs.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on August 22, 2013, 09:44:27 AM
Hitler's air raids. She lives to this day in Croydon, which was flattened.

Runners. I was diagnosed with clinical depression. Maybe the Doctor got it wrong. I was paranoid, thought that everyone could read my mind, thought I was centre of the universe. Self harmed, self hated, thought I was the next Mozart and that everyone should bow before me. Felt everything,  felt nothing. Whatever I had it wasn't good.

Since then, I've known people who have lost children, people who escaped war-torn countries. People who had a  parent commit suicide and they discovered them. I've had family members face and survive cancer with great fortitude. Made my problems seem like nothing. It made me feel ashamed. So this wasn't really an attack on Brian, or other celebrities, it was more an attack on myself. I suppose I'm like one of those annoying reformed smokers who turns dead against it.

Yes depression is an illness, a chemical inbalance, but it is treatable. I've known so many depression sufferers though (myself included) who didn't want to treat it, because it's far easier to blame the world for all your problems and hide behind a shield, than to do something about it. Sorry if I'm sounding harsh now. This is mainly self directed

Hopefully you don't take this as an attack, I just can't get on board with this sort of thinking. It feels very regressive to me, only making the problem worse. Again, it's not a contest of who has it worse, here. You can be horribly, clinically depressed, ill-fit for this world and this life, and still be extremely compassionate toward those less fortunate than you are and appreciate that you have it better than they do and hey, you're lucky to be alive and still have a chance.

Of course I don't take it as an attack, although I know when you start being serious, it must be a serious matter. I know this sort of thinking isn't popular, which is why I posted it in this thread. So I'm sorry if I offended you

Anyway, do I win the prize for most unpopular opinion?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on August 22, 2013, 09:55:05 AM



Anyway, do I win the prize for most unpopular opinion?

Here, take thy crown.  ;D


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on August 22, 2013, 10:09:34 AM
Anyway, do I win the prize for most unpopular opinion?

So you still think you're the center of the universe? ::)

Saw a WWII documentary today. Did you know Blitzkrieg was only possible because German soldiers were on crystal meth? The Allies only took speed.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on August 22, 2013, 10:38:06 AM
.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on August 22, 2013, 10:39:45 AM

So you still think you're the center of the universe? ::)


Legend in my own room


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Bill Tobelman on August 23, 2013, 05:33:56 PM
The Beach Boys are the best psychedelic group ever!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Bill Tobelman on August 23, 2013, 05:52:29 PM
SMiLE was psychedelic, flower child, love generation stuff all the way!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Bill Tobelman on August 23, 2013, 06:04:19 PM
Get on board & join the movement!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Bill Tobelman on August 23, 2013, 06:06:37 PM
Brian was one of the beautiful people; a revolutionary!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on August 24, 2013, 02:09:17 AM
Bill, this thread is for unpopular opinions, not stone cold facts.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on August 24, 2013, 02:36:11 AM
Or to look at it from another perspective, Smile on the whole is rather overrated. I seem to be the only BB fan on here that doesn't love it as much as I'm apparently supposed to. Yes it has 5 or 6 songs of some of their best stuff ever, but the rest? Novelty song filler redeemed by fantastic vocals, endless reruns of the same theme, VDP's "look at me, I'm an intellect!" lyrics and the overall feeling that Brian's trying too hard to achieve what should come naturally.

I listened to it the other day and when I heard Barnyard, You Are My Sunshine, Vegetables etc... I honesty thought "Really? This was going to revolutionize the pop music industry?"


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on August 24, 2013, 02:39:20 AM
BURN HIM!!!!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on August 24, 2013, 06:47:57 AM
Or to look at it from another perspective, Smile on the whole is rather overrated. I seem to be the only BB fan on here that doesn't love it as much as I'm apparently supposed to. Yes it has 5 or 6 songs of some of their best stuff ever, but the rest? Novelty song filler redeemed by fantastic vocals, endless reruns of the same theme, VDP's "look at me, I'm an intellect!" lyrics and the overall feeling that Brian's trying too hard to achieve what should come naturally.

I listened to it the other day and when I heard Barnyard, You Are My Sunshine, Vegetables etc... I honesty thought "Really? This was going to revolutionize the pop music industry?"


No, I can dig that. Too much two chords back and forth to make a better album than Pet Sounds. Some great arrangements though, music that was never heard before or since.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: clack on August 24, 2013, 07:44:43 AM
Or to look at it from another perspective, Smile on the whole is rather overrated. I seem to be the only BB fan on here that doesn't love it as much as I'm apparently supposed to. Yes it has 5 or 6 songs of some of their best stuff ever, but the rest? Novelty song filler redeemed by fantastic vocals, endless reruns of the same theme, VDP's "look at me, I'm an intellect!" lyrics and the overall feeling that Brian's trying too hard to achieve what should come naturally.

I listened to it the other day and when I heard Barnyard, You Are My Sunshine, Vegetables etc... I honesty thought "Really? This was going to revolutionize the pop music industry?"
I think Brian and the band should have saved themselves a lot of trouble by just finishing and releasing the songs, ditching the linking tracks, the collages, the standard covers, etc.

A 'Smile' with Surf's Up, Heroes & Villains, Cabinessence, Wonderful, etc. as discrete tracks (not part of some enormous double record suite), would still have had an impact if released in the spring of 1967. We could still get the completed Smile in 2004 and the box set in 2011, so no loss there.

And then the best of the non-Smile 'Smiley Smile' tracks combined with the best of the 'Wild Honey' ones would have provided another killer lp to end 1967 with. The band's reputation and commercial fortunes would have been very different if this alternative history had come to pass.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: alf wiedersehen on August 24, 2013, 08:50:38 AM
Or to look at it from another perspective, Smile on the whole is rather overrated. I seem to be the only BB fan on here that doesn't love it as much as I'm apparently supposed to. Yes it has 5 or 6 songs of some of their best stuff ever, but the rest? Novelty song filler redeemed by fantastic vocals, endless reruns of the same theme, VDP's "look at me, I'm an intellect!" lyrics and the overall feeling that Brian's trying too hard to achieve what should come naturally.

I listened to it the other day and when I heard Barnyard, You Are My Sunshine, Vegetables etc... I honesty thought "Really? This was going to revolutionize the pop music industry?"
I think Brian and the band should have saved themselves a lot of trouble by just finishing and releasing the songs, ditching the linking tracks, the collages, the standard covers, etc.

A 'Smile' with Surf's Up, Heroes & Villains, Cabinessence, Wonderful, etc. as discrete tracks (not part of some enormous double record suite), would still have had an impact if released in the spring of 1967. We could still get the completed Smile in 2004 and the box set in 2011, so no loss there.

And then the best of the non-Smile 'Smiley Smile' tracks combined with the best of the 'Wild Honey' ones would have provided another killer lp to end 1967 with. The band's reputation and commercial fortunes would have been very different if this alternative history had come to pass.

I doubt that, if Smile had been released in 1967, anything from either Smiley Smile or Wild Honey would have been made.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Woodstock on August 25, 2013, 07:55:57 PM
Not a big fan of Cuddle Up. Not a bad song, but I honestly don't get what others find so incredible about it. I just find the song a bit lacking in substance.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mendota Heights on September 03, 2013, 10:55:38 PM
Charles Lloyd should have produced Love You.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Dave Modny on September 03, 2013, 11:10:18 PM
Charles Lloyd should have produced Love You.


"Love You...Love You...Love You...Love You...in the AM and the PM..........."


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: shelter on September 04, 2013, 08:28:58 AM
I own a few thousand CDs, but disc 2 of 'The Smile Sessions' is probably the most annoying one of them all. I love 'Heroes and Villains', but listening to H&V vocal sessions just becomes unbearable after about five minutes.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on September 04, 2013, 10:05:48 AM
I own a few thousand CDs, but disc 2 of 'The Smile Sessions' is probably the most annoying one of them all. I love 'Heroes and Villains', but listening to H&V vocal sessions just becomes unbearable after about five minutes.

Yeah I have expressed this sentiment already. Esp the animal grunting and what I have dubbed 'the orgasm' part.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 07, 2014, 05:52:39 PM
Here's a big one, which is something I won't regret saying as it is honestly how I feel.
I love All I Want To Do, and It's one of my all-time favourite BB's songs!
And....


I'll easily take All I Want To Do over any BB's songs from 1961 to 1963 and 1986 onwards!




Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: feelsflow on January 07, 2014, 06:06:04 PM
wow.  not a surprise to those of us working our way through the 20/20 survivor thread...but, thanks for sharing. ;D
retro, care to comment?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: retrokid67 on January 07, 2014, 06:10:45 PM
wow.  not a surprise to those of us working our way through the 20/20 survivor thread...but, thanks for sharing. ;D
retro, care to comment?

I was just about to actually  :lol and I also find it strange how the people who stand up to others' disrespect are labeled as trolls when the ones doing the disrespecting are really the trolls  :-\


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: pixletwin on January 07, 2014, 06:15:11 PM
wow.  not a surprise to those of us working our way through the 20/20 survivor thread...but, thanks for sharing. ;D
retro, care to comment?

I was just about to actually  :lol and I also find it strange how the people who stand up to others' disrespect are labeled as trolls when the ones doing the disrespecting are really the trolls  :-\

Trolls very seldom see themselves as trolls. But if you are referring to my survivor threads I would advise you to count the number of posts between you and mess and compare that to the number of posts by Gabo. You both spammed the hell  out of my thread.

You can also take note of how many normally level headed patient fellow boardies (who love Dennis, by the way) were asking you gently to shut up. intended or not, you were trolling my thread to the point where SMiLE Holland was needed to intervene.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 07, 2014, 06:17:49 PM
wow.  not a surprise to those of us working our way through the 20/20 survivor thread...but, thanks for sharing. ;D
retro, care to comment?

I was just about to actually  :lol and I also find it strange how the people who stand up to others' disrespect are labeled as trolls when the ones doing the disrespecting are really the trolls  :-\

Trolls very seldom see themselves as trolls. But if you are referring to my survivor threads I would advise you to count the number of posts between you and mess and compare that to the number of posts by Gabo. You both spammed the hell  out of my thread.

You can also take note of how many normally level headed patient fellow boardies (who love Dennis, by the way) were asking you gently to shut up. intended or not, you were trolling my thread to the point where SMiLE Holland was needed to intervene.
Actually, we had agreed to stop before Smile Holland "Intervened". In fact, I told Retro that we needed to shut up in order to avoid further trouble, which we did. So the Smile Holland intervention was unnecessary and redundant


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: alf wiedersehen on January 07, 2014, 06:19:19 PM
Here's a big one, which is something I won't regret saying as it is honestly how I feel.
I love All I Want To Do, and It's one of my all-time favourite BB's songs!
And....


I'll easily take All I Want To Do over any BB's songs from 1961 to 1963!

As long as "In My Room," "Surfer Girl," and "Lonely Sea" exist, I will have to disagree with you.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: retrokid67 on January 07, 2014, 06:21:31 PM
wow.  not a surprise to those of us working our way through the 20/20 survivor thread...but, thanks for sharing. ;D
retro, care to comment?

I was just about to actually  :lol and I also find it strange how the people who stand up to others' disrespect are labeled as trolls when the ones doing the disrespecting are really the trolls  :-\

Trolls very seldom see themselves as trolls. But if you are referring to my survivor threads I would advise you to count the number of posts between you and mess and compare that to the number of posts by Gabo. You both spammed the hell  out of my thread.

You can also take note of how many normally level headed patient fellow boardies (who love Dennis, by the way) were asking you gently to shut up. intended or not, you were trolling my thread to the point where SMiLE Holland was needed to intervene.

Again I'm sorry for spamming your thread it wasn't intended for that  :( but my feelings for Gabo's comments haven't changed.  I wish it hadn't have been your thread that all of this bickering took place  :(


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 07, 2014, 06:22:15 PM
Here's a big one, which is something I won't regret saying as it is honestly how I feel.
I love All I Want To Do, and It's one of my all-time favourite BB's songs!
And....


I'll easily take All I Want To Do over any BB's songs from 1961 to 1963!

As long as "In My Room," "Surfer Girl," and "Lonely Sea" exist, I will have to disagree with you.
Those 3 songs come close, but I prefer All I Want To Do to the three for one reason.
It's the type of song that you can dance to and is a energetic rocker.
As great as those 3 songs are, they're more slower ballads and not the type of music you would play at a party


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: rab2591 on January 07, 2014, 06:22:33 PM
Here's a big one, which is something I won't regret saying as it is honestly how I feel.
I love All I Want To Do, and It's one of my all-time favourite BB's songs!
And....


I'll easily take All I Want To Do over any BB's songs from 1961 to 1963!

I'm not a fan of the 20/20 studio version (All I Want To Do doesn't work well in the confines of a studio, imo), but the live MiC version is jaw dropping - I'd put it up there as being one of their best live renditions.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: retrokid67 on January 07, 2014, 06:22:58 PM
Here's a big one, which is something I won't regret saying as it is honestly how I feel.
I love All I Want To Do, and It's one of my all-time favourite BB's songs!
And....


I'll easily take All I Want To Do over any BB's songs from 1961 to 1963!

As long as "In My Room," "Surfer Girl," and "Lonely Sea" exist, I will have to disagree with you.

those three songs are ballads "All I Want to Do" isn't a ballad  :-\


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: pixletwin on January 07, 2014, 06:23:23 PM
wow.  not a surprise to those of us working our way through the 20/20 survivor thread...but, thanks for sharing. ;D
retro, care to comment?

I was just about to actually  :lol and I also find it strange how the people who stand up to others' disrespect are labeled as trolls when the ones doing the disrespecting are really the trolls  :-\

Trolls very seldom see themselves as trolls. But if you are referring to my survivor threads I would advise you to count the number of posts between you and mess and compare that to the number of posts by Gabo. You both spammed the hell  out of my thread.

You can also take note of how many normally level headed patient fellow boardies (who love Dennis, by the way) were asking you gently to shut up. intended or not, you were trolling my thread to the point where SMiLE Holland was needed to intervene.
Actually, we had agreed to stop before Smile Holland "Intervened". In fact, I told Retro that we needed to shut up in order to avoid further trouble, which we did. So the Smile Holland intervention was unnecessary and redundant

Well I am certainly glad you both eventually "agreed" after I begged you three times to stop and others had to post their annoyance. The respectable thing would have been to stop after the first request. Not continue on and on and on and on. But that is neither here nor there. I think you both understand better what is acceptable etiquette. I just hope that you both don't continue to feel insulted and go on the war path anytime anyone has a different opinion than you (be it inflammatory or not).

*pixletwin grumbles back to his cave to go to sleep*


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 07, 2014, 06:24:35 PM
Here's a big one, which is something I won't regret saying as it is honestly how I feel.
I love All I Want To Do, and It's one of my all-time favourite BB's songs!
And....


I'll easily take All I Want To Do over any BB's songs from 1961 to 1963!

I'm not a fan of the 20/20 studio version (All I Want To Do doesn't work well in the confines of a studio, imo), but the live MiC version is jaw dropping - I'd put it up there as being one of their best live renditions.
Both versions are great!
I think All I Want To Do especially worked great live, and should have become a live staple instead of ageing songs such as Surfin' USA and "shudder" Barbara Ann.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: retrokid67 on January 07, 2014, 06:24:50 PM
wow.  not a surprise to those of us working our way through the 20/20 survivor thread...but, thanks for sharing. ;D
retro, care to comment?

I was just about to actually  :lol and I also find it strange how the people who stand up to others' disrespect are labeled as trolls when the ones doing the disrespecting are really the trolls  :-\


Trolls very seldom see themselves as trolls. But if you are referring to my survivor threads I would advise you to count the number of posts between you and mess and compare that to the number of posts by Gabo. You both spammed the hell  out of my thread.

You can also take note of how many normally level headed patient fellow boardies (who love Dennis, by the way) were asking you gently to shut up. intended or not, you were trolling my thread to the point where SMiLE Holland was needed to intervene.
Actually, we had agreed to stop before Smile Holland "Intervened". In fact, I told Retro that we needed to shut up in order to avoid further trouble, which we did. So the Smile Holland intervention was unnecessary and redundant

Yea the last thing I posted was a thumbs up to you telling me that but I guess by then it was too late  :(


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: rab2591 on January 07, 2014, 06:37:22 PM
Here's a big one, which is something I won't regret saying as it is honestly how I feel.
I love All I Want To Do, and It's one of my all-time favourite BB's songs!
And....


I'll easily take All I Want To Do over any BB's songs from 1961 to 1963!

I'm not a fan of the 20/20 studio version (All I Want To Do doesn't work well in the confines of a studio, imo), but the live MiC version is jaw dropping - I'd put it up there as being one of their best live renditions.
Both versions are great!
I think All I Want To Do especially worked great live, and should have become a live staple instead of ageing songs such as Surfin' USA and "shudder" Barbara Ann.

Agreed. I would've loved to have heard this one on the Knebworth album!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Ebb and Flow on January 08, 2014, 12:11:01 AM
I think All I Want To Do especially worked great live, and should have become a live staple instead of ageing songs such as Surfin' USA and "shudder" Barbara Ann.

I understand not liking "Barbara Ann" (just a throwaway cover on a throwaway album whose popularity got out of control) but why knock Surfin' USA, the song that launched the band onto the National stage?  A song that, despite being lifted from Chuck Berry, is quintessentially Brian Wilson/Beach Boys.  I don't get why in order to compliment the group's later, less popular output you have to disparage the early stuff.  It seems like you only enjoy a very narrow spectrum of what The Beach Boys recorded.

Quote
As great as those 3 songs are, they're more slower ballads and not the type of music you would play at a party

::) On what planet is this a rational way of determining the quality of music?  Particularly the music by a band who is more known for ballads than hard rock songs?  I would never play Pet Sounds at a party, and yet IMO it's the best thing they released.

At least you're posting this stuff in the right thread.  :-\


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 08, 2014, 12:17:33 AM
I think All I Want To Do especially worked great live, and should have become a live staple instead of ageing songs such as Surfin' USA and "shudder" Barbara Ann.

I understand not liking "Barbara Ann" (just a throwaway cover on a throwaway album whose popularity got out of control) but why knock Surfin' USA, the song that launched the band onto the National stage?  A song that, despite being lifted from Chuck Berry, is quintessentially Brian Wilson/Beach Boys.  I don't get why in order to compliment the group's later, less popular output you have to disparage the early stuff.  It seems like you only enjoy a very narrow spectrum of what The Beach Boys recorded.

Quote
As great as those 3 songs are, they're more slower ballads and not the type of music you would play at a party

::) On what planet is this a rational way of determining the quality of music?  Particularly the music by a band who is more known for ballads than hard rock songs?  I would never play Pet Sounds at a party, and yet IMO it's the best thing they released.

At least you're posting this stuff in the right thread.  :-\
Surfin' USA is a great song, but it was out of date by the late 60's onwards. It certainly didn't help the band's image.
They should have performed far more contemporary songs like they did in the early 70's instead of slowly degenerating into an oldies band after Endless Summer, permanently damaging the band's image and reputation. 

As great as the three ballads are (two of them are the best from their respective albums), I do prefer All I Want To Do. It's simply a more enjoyable song IMO


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gabo on January 08, 2014, 12:23:09 AM
I think All I Want To Do especially worked great live, and should have become a live staple instead of ageing songs such as Surfin' USA and "shudder" Barbara Ann.
  It seems like you only enjoy a very narrow spectrum of what The Beach Boys recorded.



The Beach Boys IMO recorded most of their best material in the early years -- 1962 and 1966. As much as I love their later, more obscure material most of it doesn't measure up to the perfect songs they crafted during the early years. The Warmth Of The Sun, Don't Worry Baby, Surfer Girl, In My Room, the list goes on and on, -- not to mention the Pets Sound album.

I think people find their later, artier material easier to accept because the songs are not about surfing, cars, and teenage romance. They are failing to forget, though, that very few of their songs -- even during the "art rock" 1967-1973 period -- have lyrics that can be considered to be great on their own terms. On the contrary, must of them basically suck.



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: retrokid67 on January 08, 2014, 12:26:55 AM
I think All I Want To Do especially worked great live, and should have become a live staple instead of ageing songs such as Surfin' USA and "shudder" Barbara Ann.
  It seems like you only enjoy a very narrow spectrum of what The Beach Boys recorded.



The Beach Boys IMO recorded most of their best material in the early years -- 1962 and 1966. As much as I love their later, more obscure material most of it doesn't measure up to the perfect songs they crafted during the early years. The Warmth Of The Sun, Don't Worry Baby, Surfer Girl, In My Room, the list goes on and on.


that's fine, but the songs you listed were ballads too.  All I Want To Do is an up tempo song, so wouldn't it make more sense to compare it with another one of their up tempo songs?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gabo on January 08, 2014, 12:30:50 AM
I'm really not interested in discussing All I Want To Do.

But if you insist, All Summer Long, California Girls, Surfin' Safari, I Get Around, Dance Dance Dance, Good To My Baby, to name a few, are all more danceable than All I Want To Do.

I like songs you can dance to, too. That's not the mark of a great song. Can you dance to Blowin' In the Wind or Imagine?



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 08, 2014, 12:34:12 AM
I think All I Want To Do especially worked great live, and should have become a live staple instead of ageing songs such as Surfin' USA and "shudder" Barbara Ann.
  It seems like you only enjoy a very narrow spectrum of what The Beach Boys recorded.



The Beach Boys IMO recorded most of their best material in the early years -- 1962 and 1966. As much as I love their later, more obscure material most of it doesn't measure up to the perfect songs they crafted during the early years. The Warmth Of The Sun, Don't Worry Baby, Surfer Girl, In My Room, the list goes on and on, -- not to mention the Pets Sound album.

I think people find their later, artier material easier to accept because the songs are not about surfing, cars, and teenage romance, not because the later material is necessarily any better.
I think it all comes down to taste.
But IMHO the Beach Boys recorded a majority of their best material from 1966 to 1973. From Pet Sounds to Holland/Beach Boys In Concert.
Plus, as Retrokid said, you listed just ballads, and while those ballads are no doubt classics (Especially Warmth Of The Sun), I'd still prefer their 66-73 songs


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 08, 2014, 12:36:26 AM
I'm really not interested in discussing All I Want To Do.

But if you insist, All Summer Long, California Girls, Surfin' Safari, I Get Around, Dance Dance Dance, Good To My Baby, to name a few, are all more danceable than All I Want To Do.

I like songs you can dance to, too. That's not the mark of a great song. Can you dance to Blowin' In the Wind or Imagine?


True.
But Surfin' Safari, I Get Around, and Dance Dance Dance have all not aged too well.
The music has to stand the test of time to be classic.
Also, I guess while it once again comes down to people's taste, I still find All I Want To Do to me easier to dance to and easier to enjoy, especially the rockin' live version on MIC!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: retrokid67 on January 08, 2014, 12:38:04 AM
I'm really not interested in discussing All I Want To Do.

But if you insist, All Summer Long, California Girls, Surfin' Safari, I Get Around, Dance Dance Dance, Good To My Baby, to name a few, are all more danceable than All I Want To Do.

I like songs you can dance to, too. That's not the mark of a great song. Can you dance to Blowin' In the Wind or Imagine?



 :lol that's the first thing you said that I actually agree with except in the case of All I Want To Do I bob my head up and down and I'm not a huge fan of California Girls in general and with Imagine I sway from side to side  :-D.  And at least this time you didn't insult the songwriter


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gabo on January 08, 2014, 12:45:12 AM
I'm really not interested in discussing All I Want To Do.

But if you insist, All Summer Long, California Girls, Surfin' Safari, I Get Around, Dance Dance Dance, Good To My Baby, to name a few, are all more danceable than All I Want To Do.

I like songs you can dance to, too. That's not the mark of a great song. Can you dance to Blowin' In the Wind or Imagine?


True.
But Surfin' Safari, I Get Around, and Dance Dance Dance have all not aged too well.
The music has to stand the test of time to be classic.
Also, I guess while it once again comes down to people's taste, I still find All I Want To Do to me easier to dance to and easier to enjoy, especially the rockin' live version on MIC!

If you care about "aging" why are you listening to a 60s band? IMO the historical context of those tracks -- the early 60s -- justifies the lyrics.

I don't even think Pet Sounds has aged well. Its lyrics frankly are teenybopper, and the arrangements sound more old Hollywood or Spector than psychedelic. Associating Pet Sounds with psychedelia is IMO a retroactive assessment. It may have paved the way for more psychedelic and experimental records, but it is really just a more competent Today! The Beatles' Revolver and Sgt. Pepper are far more innovative records than Pet Sounds.

I don't mind any of this, because I don't really listen to "rock" music.  I'm not interested in hearing guitar solos or throaty singing. I just want to hear pretty melodies with some nice lyrics for good measure. 



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 08, 2014, 12:58:30 AM
I'm really not interested in discussing All I Want To Do.

But if you insist, All Summer Long, California Girls, Surfin' Safari, I Get Around, Dance Dance Dance, Good To My Baby, to name a few, are all more danceable than All I Want To Do.

I like songs you can dance to, too. That's not the mark of a great song. Can you dance to Blowin' In the Wind or Imagine?


True.
But Surfin' Safari, I Get Around, and Dance Dance Dance have all not aged too well.
The music has to stand the test of time to be classic.
Also, I guess while it once again comes down to people's taste, I still find All I Want To Do to me easier to dance to and easier to enjoy, especially the rockin' live version on MIC!

If you care about "aging" why are you listening to a 60s band? IMO the historical context of those tracks -- the early 60s -- justifies the lyrics.

I don't even think Pet Sounds has aged well. Its lyrics frankly are teenybopper, and the arrangements sound more old Hollywood or Spector than psychedelic. Associating Pet Sounds with psychedelia is IMO a retroactive assessment. It may have paved the way for more psychedelic and experimental records, but it is really just a more competent Today! The Beatles' Revolver and Sgt. Pepper are far more innovative records than Pet Sounds.

I don't mind any of this, because I don't really listen to "rock" music.  I'm not interested in hearing guitar solos or throaty singing. I just want to hear pretty melodies with some nice lyrics for good measure. 


Because I happen to love 60's music. But a lot of people wouldn't feel the same way.
And once again, it depends on the person's tastes


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Summer_Days on January 08, 2014, 09:58:51 AM

I don't even think Pet Sounds has aged well. Its lyrics frankly are teenybopper, and the arrangements sound more old Hollywood or Spector than psychedelic. Associating Pet Sounds with psychedelia is IMO a retroactive assessment. It may have paved the way for more psychedelic and experimental records, but it is really just a more competent Today! The Beatles' Revolver and Sgt. Pepper are far more innovative records than Pet Sounds.


I think there's more to Pet Sounds than that. The melodies, the tonal quality, the chord progressions and harmonies are far beyond what most if not all other bands of the time were doing, even the Beatles. And if the lyrics to those songs are teenybopper, they still hold up better than psychedelic lyrics of the time. Even though Revolver saw the Beatles evolve greatly, musically, I still think the album isn't, for the most part, as timeless as the songs on Pet Sounds. That's even more true with the silly psychedelic musical hall stuff on Sgt. Pepper. Whereas on Pet Sounds you have songs that talk about the impermanence of love, the loss of innocence and the feeling of not being made for these times (things that a majority of people can totally understand), on Sgt. Pepper, you have songs about Henry the horse dancing a waltz, a guy who's going nuts over a meter maid and newspaper taxis appearing on the shore. I love Sgt. Pepper, but still...give me beautiful, heartfelt love songs like 'Wouldn't It Be Nice' and 'God Only Knows' any day.

Quote
I don't mind any of this, because I don't really listen to "rock" music.  I'm not interested in hearing guitar solos or throaty singing. I just want to hear pretty melodies with some nice lyrics for good measure. 



Same here. But Tony Asher's lyrics, while not exactly poetry, are perfect for what Brian was writing.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mr. Wilson on January 08, 2014, 10:30:36 AM
Well coming from the perspective of living in the 60"s as a teenager PET SOUNDS would never be compared to psychedelic or witch craft music 2 terms that are now sitting on this board in different threads..  I never fully got the term unless your talking about LSD + music ..If that is the case BB don't fit.. Grateful Dead Jams  Iron Butterfly  Quicksilver Messenger service  jams  Vanilla fudge  Early Hendrix   Early Doors + Love. etc etc what we now call JAM bands back then were called psychedelic bands.. Even early Moody Blues lp's were called that because they took you on a TRIP.. But they don't really qualify unless you think Days of Future Passed is that. :lol  Pet Sounds may not have hit the public hard but it sure hit musicians hard.. Still to this day + Smile also.. PS was a logical expansion + progression of everything they had recorded before.. The lyrics are more adult but psychedelic NO.. Heck early Pink Floyd was called psychedelic.. That term should be retired..IMHO


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: CenturyDeprived on January 08, 2014, 11:24:01 AM
Well coming from the perspective of living in the 60"s as a teenager PET SOUNDS would never be compared to psychedelic or witch craft music 2 terms that are now sitting on this board in different threads..  I never fully got the term unless your talking about LSD + music ..If that is the case BB don't fit.. Grateful Dead Jams  Iron Butterfly  Quicksilver Messenger service  jams  Vanilla fudge  Early Hendrix   Early Doors + Love. etc etc what we now call JAM bands back then were called psychedelic bands.. Even early Moody Blues lp's were called that because they took you on a TRIP.. But they don't really qualify unless you think Days of Future Passed is that. :lol  Pet Sounds may not have hit the public hard but it sure hit musicians hard.. Still to this day + Smile also.. PS was a logical expansion + progression of everything they had recorded before.. The lyrics are more adult but psychedelic NO.. Heck early Pink Floyd was called psychedelic.. That term should be retired..IMHO

SMiLE, had it come out in '67 as intended, would most certainly have been known as THE textbook definition of a summer of love psychedelic album, IMO. I don't think many people would dispute this (so this is actually probably a popular BB opinion).


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Smilin Ed H on January 08, 2014, 11:32:21 AM
I'm really not interested in discussing All I Want To Do.

But if you insist, All Summer Long, California Girls, Surfin' Safari, I Get Around, Dance Dance Dance, Good To My Baby, to name a few, are all more danceable than All I Want To Do.

I like songs you can dance to, too. That's not the mark of a great song. Can you dance to Blowin' In the Wind or Imagine?




True.
But Surfin' Safari, I Get Around, and Dance Dance Dance have all not aged too well.
The music has to stand the test of time to be classic.
Also, I guess while it once again comes down to people's taste, I still find All I Want To Do to me easier to dance to and easier to enjoy, especially the rockin' live version on MIC!

If you care about "aging" why are you listening to a 60s band? IMO the historical context of those tracks -- the early 60s -- justifies the lyrics.

I don't even think Pet Sounds has aged well. Its lyrics frankly are teenybopper, and the arrangements sound more old Hollywood or Spector than psychedelic. Associating Pet Sounds with psychedelia is IMO a retroactive assessment. It may have paved the way for more psychedelic and experimental records, but it is really just a more competent Today! The Beatles' Revolver and Sgt. Pepper are far more innovative records than Pet Sounds.

I don't mind any of this, because I don't really listen to "rock" music.  I'm not interested in hearing guitar solos or throaty singing. I just want to hear pretty melodies with some nice lyrics for good measure.  



Jesus H.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rotat on January 08, 2014, 12:18:41 PM

Quote

If you care about "aging" why are you listening to a 60s band? IMO the historical context of those tracks -- the early 60s -- justifies the lyrics.

I don't even think Pet Sounds has aged well. Its lyrics frankly are teenybopper, and the arrangements sound more old Hollywood or Spector than psychedelic. Associating Pet Sounds with psychedelia is IMO a retroactive assessment. It may have paved the way for more psychedelic and experimental records, but it is really just a more competent Today! The Beatles' Revolver and Sgt. Pepper are far more innovative records than Pet Sounds.

I don't mind any of this, because I don't really listen to "rock" music.  I'm not interested in hearing guitar solos or throaty singing. I just want to hear pretty melodies with some nice lyrics for good measure. 



I know this is the relevant thread for statements like this but.. I personally think this is ridiculous.

First of all, there's nothing innovative about Revolver or Sgt Pepper to me at all. Except maybe a few songs like Tomorrow Never Knows or A Day In The Life or something. Most of the songs are over-embellished pop songs. At least Pet Sounds has a unique sound that I've never really heard on any other album. There are other albums similar to it, but Pet Sounds has its own unique flavor.

Sgt Pepper doesn't even sound all that psychedelic to me either. maybe I listened to a lot of psych records, but to me it sounds like an overproduced pop record more than anything to me. There's so many silly songs that I don't get why it was embraced so much at the time. Smiley Smile blows Sgt Pepper away as far as psychedelic strange music goes.

And teenybopper lyrics? I don't understand the logic to that at all. The lyrics are very thoughtful, and speak of real life feelings and experiences. You don't have to be a teenager to appreciate lyrics like "That's Not Me" or "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times". They might be feelings you mainly get when you're younger, but they're universal messages and they are great overall insights on human emotions and development. It can be appreciated even if you're 40.

Pet Sounds isn't dated to me because like I said, it's a unique sounding album with it's own type of flavor. Yes its cemented in the 60s and has that sort of sound but if you're gonna talk dated, that's not an appropriate word for dated as far as 1966 goes. You want dated, listen to "The Ballad Of Green Berets" or "They're Going To Take Me Away ha Ha" or any other random hit at the time.

I know you said you didn't mind the criticisms you had and still enjoy the music, but I just don't think your statements make any sense. Just my opinion though, we all have different views of things.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mr. Wilson on January 08, 2014, 01:21:23 PM
Well I certainly see your point about SMILE to a certain extent  being psychedelic  and im sure it would have been lumped into the fad .. But there would have come a time later like in the Moody Blues case that being psychedelic was not the genre..  But I get what you are saying.. ;)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: alf wiedersehen on January 08, 2014, 01:23:42 PM
I don't really consider Smile to be a psychedelic album.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rotat on January 08, 2014, 01:33:02 PM
I don't know if I consider Smile to be exactly "psychedelic" but what constitutes psychedelic music anyway? There's so many different types of psychedelia.. not everything that is psychedelic is like Piper At The Gates Of Dawn.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: CenturyDeprived on January 08, 2014, 01:37:22 PM
I don't really consider Smile to be a psychedelic album.

I respectfully disagree, particularly since we have vintage '66 promo items like the BW-directed (or so I think?) promo video of the band at the fire station, with the VERY psychedelic type of swirly imagery, and songs like Fire, etc... I think that shows a conscious effort towards a trippy/psychedelic vibe that BW was aiming for at least on some of the songs, but IMO had SMiLE been released in its time, the entire project would have been seen as one of the great psychedelic (or proto-psych) albums (not too dissimilar from how Smiley Smile is generally viewed in hindsight).

And, for the record, IMO what constitutes psychedelic music would be intentionally weird/spooky vibes/vocals/instrumentation (Fire, super creepy laughing/animal grunts, etc), bizarro subject matter (eating a candy bar wrapper, just for starters), and a prevalence of associated promo imagery (like from the '66 music video) that was then and remains now inextricably linked with the psychedelic movement. Plus, a hallmark of most psychedelic records is that they sound especially good when the listener is stoned. I think the album was very consciously and specifically made by its writers to be an album that sounds really good when the listener is stoned. And, from what I hear (cough, cough), it does.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: donald on January 08, 2014, 01:49:22 PM
Not sure I want to enter into the fray but I have a few comments.

Having lived thru the 60's as a teen, I loved the Beachboys for their sonic quality and as a pop culture powerhouse of a band.  As we began to experiment with the more psychedelic culture, we (my peers)were listening to Moody Blues Threshold and Children's Children, Beatles later material, Jeffeson Airplane, Some Hendrix, Love, Doors, Byrds, and some other LA bands.  To me, at the time, Pet Sounds  seemed like an album of really great and ambitious  singles and better than average "filler material".  We didn't listen to the Beach Boys as psychedelic material.  Having said that, anything could be considered psychedelic if you found it to be that way whilst experiencing some altered state.

Even now, while I seldom listen these days to the so called psychedelic bands, I obviously love the Beach Boys and Pet Sounds.  To me, Pet Sounds stands today as a beautifully realized masterpiece of introspective pop music of the highest order.  It never was, to me, a psychedelic album.  Those few bands and albums that were considered psychedelic that  still stand today stand  because they had something else to offer other than psychedelic fad music.  Consider Love Forever Changes and Oddesy and Oracle by the Zombies.  The melody and music, the introspective lyrics, are more comparable to Pet Sounds and precisely why they still have appeal as quality music that still stands.



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: CenturyDeprived on January 08, 2014, 01:58:53 PM
Not sure I want to enter into the fray but I have a few comments.

Having lived thru the 60's as a teen, I loved the Beachboys for their sonic quality and as a pop culture powerhouse of a band.  As we began to experiment with the more psychedelic culture, we (my peers)were listening to Moody Blues Threshold and Children's Children, Beatles later material, Jeffeson Airplane, Some Hendrix, Love, Doors, Byrds, and some other LA bands.  To me, at the time, Pet Sounds  seemed like an album of really great and ambitious  singles and better than average "filler material".  We didn't listen to the Beach Boys as psychedelic material.  Having said that, anything could be considered psychedelic if you found it to be that way whilst experiencing some altered state.

Even now, while I seldom listen these days to the so called psychedelic bands, I obviously love the Beach Boys and Pet Sounds.  To me, Pet Sounds stands today as a beautifully realized masterpiece of introspective pop music of the highest order.  It never was, to me, a psychedelic album.  Those few bands and albums that were considered psychedelic that  still stand today stand  because they had something else to offer other than psychedelic fad music.  Consider Love Forever Changes and Oddesy and Oracle by the Zombies.  The melody and music, the introspective lyrics, are more comparable to Pet Sounds and precisely why they still have appeal as quality music that still stands.



It's interesting and much appreciated to hear the perspective of someone who lived thru the 60's as a teen, and was a BB fan then. I wonder how the inclusion of "Hang On To Your Ego" lyrics, had they made it to the album, would've affected your (and others') perceptions of the band, in relation to their position (or lack therof) in the psychedelic/progressive music scene?

While I do think, for 1966, it would've been an edgy and subversive move to have had those "Hang On To Your Ego" lyrics instead of the "I Know There's an Answer" lyrics, I think that perhaps the better decision (for having the album sound less dated in 2014) was made when the band went with the "I Know There's an Answer" lyrics. I really like the "I Know There's an Answer" lyrics.

But... I wonder if the "Hang On To Your Ego" lyrics would've done them any short-term good in terms of ridding them of their Surfing Doris Day image. The "Ego" reference seems to me to be more of a nudge-nudge-wink-wink hint towards LSD which would've gotten noticed, as opposed to the, IMO, comparatively less subversive "trip through the day" lyric that made it to the final product.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: bgas on January 08, 2014, 02:19:30 PM
Not sure I want to enter into the fray but I have a few comments.

Having lived thru the 60's as a teen, I loved the Beachboys for their sonic quality and as a pop culture powerhouse of a band.  As we began to experiment with the more psychedelic culture, we (my peers)were listening to Moody Blues Threshold and Children's Children, Beatles later material, Jeffeson Airplane, Some Hendrix, Love, Doors, Byrds, and some other LA bands.  To me, at the time, Pet Sounds  seemed like an album of really great and ambitious  singles and better than average "filler material".  We didn't listen to the Beach Boys as psychedelic material.  Having said that, anything could be considered psychedelic if you found it to be that way whilst experiencing some altered state.

Even now, while I seldom listen these days to the so called psychedelic bands, I obviously love the Beach Boys and Pet Sounds.  To me, Pet Sounds stands today as a beautifully realized masterpiece of introspective pop music of the highest order.  It never was, to me, a psychedelic album.  Those few bands and albums that were considered psychedelic that  still stand today stand  because they had something else to offer other than psychedelic fad music.  Consider Love Forever Changes and Oddesy and Oracle by the Zombies.  The melody and music, the introspective lyrics, are more comparable to Pet Sounds and precisely why they still have appeal as quality music that still stands.



Yes, quite.  I can't remember the last time I caught myself humming a refrain from "Astronomy Domine"(which was a major listening in my tripping days), I'm all the time hearing this or that BBs tune in my head(of course)
Pet Sounds will always be Numero Uno!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rotat on January 08, 2014, 02:23:42 PM
Quote
While I do think, for 1966, it would've been an edgy and subversive move to have had those "Hang On To Your Ego" lyrics instead of the "I Know There's an Answer" lyrics, I think that perhaps the better decision (for having the album sound less dated in 2014) was made when the band went with the "I Know There's an Answer" lyrics. I really like the "I Know There's an Answer" lyrics.

But... I wonder if the "Hang On To Your Ego" lyrics would've done them any short-term good in terms of ridding them of their Surfing Doris Day image. The "Ego" reference seems to me to be more of a nudge-nudge-wink-wink hint towards LSD which would've gotten noticed, as opposed to the, IMO, comparatively less subversive "trip through the day" lyric that made it to the final product.

I like "Hang On To Your Ego" better too. I don't know if keeping those lyrics would have made a difference but would have helped. The 2 things that came later "Good Vibrations" and Smiley Smile are both very trippy to me though, so I think they did release some very psychedelic type stuff slightly later at least.

I remember requesting "Good Vibrations" to the DJ at a formal party at a reception hall once several years ago. As beloved as that song was and is, it is still pretty weird sounding. It felt awkward having it played after all the main dance tunes they were playing (disco songs and whatnot).


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mendota Heights on January 08, 2014, 02:30:36 PM
I do not get into The Beach Boys when other people are listening with me.

Can't explain it, but their songs sound very sub-par when I am not listening alone.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on January 08, 2014, 02:48:49 PM
I remember requesting "Good Vibrations" to the DJ at a formal party at a reception hall once several years ago. As beloved as that song was and is, it is still pretty weird sounding. It felt awkward having it played after all the main dance tunes they were playing (disco songs and whatnot).

I was a mobile DJ (weddings, parties, dances, class reunions) for twenty years. Very few fast Beach Boys' songs worked on the dance floor. Occasionally I could get some people to dance to "Surfin' U.S.A.", "Dance, Dance, Dance", and "Fun, Fun, Fun", but not often. Eventually I switched to slow BB songs and got some people dancing to "Surfer Girl". I tried "Kiss Me, Baby" once and it bombed. I worked "Wipeout" into the Limbo, and, yes, "Kokomo" worked at pool parties as did the surfin' stuff. At some parties when people were sitting and drinking - and not dancing - I would play "Barbara Ann" and get a sing-a-long going. Car shows were the most fun; I could play ALL the car songs and the people loved it!

My favorite Beach Boys DJ moments were at an annual church festival that I played for about ten years. I would open the festival with "California Girls" and "Do It Again" from Knebworth AND I WOULD CRANK IT! I got a very favorable reaction (people visibly bopping along); later in the festival I would mix"I Get Around" and "Surfin' U.S.A" , also from Knebworth, and it worked. One year I got cocky and did the old "Sloop John B" into "Wouldn't It Be Nice" mix. I loved it; it made me feel like was on stage playing with The Beach Boys.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 08, 2014, 05:10:25 PM
Here's a few more apparently unpopular BB's opinions I agree with:
Their self-titled album is their most underrated, California Calling aside I never really understood the hate for this album. CATP and L.A. Light Album are both very underrated as well.
All Summer Long on the other hand I find to be the most overrated album, hands down. There's a few great songs, but after listening to the whole album, I just didn't understand why it's so highly rated!
I Went To Sleep and Time To Get Alone from 20/20 I find overrated as well. Always found them to be the most boring tracks off that album.
Do It Again IMHO is a horrible track, and is the worst song off 20/20.
I also find Sumahama off Light Album to be much, much worse than the disco version of HCTN.


I think that's enough. For now.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: jeffh on January 08, 2014, 05:39:10 PM
I love " Smart Girls," both versions


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rotat on January 08, 2014, 07:12:57 PM
I think Keepin The Summer Alive is a pretty underrated album. The title and cover are awful, but I can honestly say there's only 2 songs I don't care for (the title track and School Days.. although that one has a great intro). Santa Ana Winds is ok too I guess. Other than that I really like all the other tracks. I think "Oh Darlin" is a beautiful song. I don't get what people don't like about Carl's vocal. Only thing is, this album badly needs a remix. People complain about the production (which is pretty crappy), but a remix might make it sound better.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gabo on January 08, 2014, 08:55:05 PM

I don't even think Pet Sounds has aged well. Its lyrics frankly are teenybopper, and the arrangements sound more old Hollywood or Spector than psychedelic. Associating Pet Sounds with psychedelia is IMO a retroactive assessment. It may have paved the way for more psychedelic and experimental records, but it is really just a more competent Today! The Beatles' Revolver and Sgt. Pepper are far more innovative records than Pet Sounds.


I think there's more to Pet Sounds than that. The melodies, the tonal quality, the chord progressions and harmonies are far beyond what most if not all other bands of the time were doing, even the Beatles. And if the lyrics to those songs are teenybopper, they still hold up better than psychedelic lyrics of the time. Even though Revolver saw the Beatles evolve greatly, musically, I still think the album isn't, for the most part, as timeless as the songs on Pet Sounds. That's even more true with the silly psychedelic musical hall stuff on Sgt. Pepper. Whereas on Pet Sounds you have songs that talk about the impermanence of love, the loss of innocence and the feeling of not being made for these times (things that a majority of people can totally understand), on Sgt. Pepper, you have songs about Henry the horse dancing a waltz, a guy who's going nuts over a meter maid and newspaper taxis appearing on the shore. I love Sgt. Pepper, but still...give me beautiful, heartfelt love songs like 'Wouldn't It Be Nice' and 'God Only Knows' any day.

Quote
I don't mind any of this, because I don't really listen to "rock" music.  I'm not interested in hearing guitar solos or throaty singing. I just want to hear pretty melodies with some nice lyrics for good measure. 



Same here. But Tony Asher's lyrics, while not exactly poetry, are perfect for what Brian was writing.


Pet Sounds is timeless while a lot of the psychedelic music from the era (Country Joe and the Fish, stuff like that) sounds dated. I'm not criticizing Pet Sounds for not being psychedelic, I'm just reacting to the popular understanding of the album.

"Teenybopper" might be a strong word to use for the lyrics on Pet Sounds, but the songs are certainly about teenage love, for the most part. That doesn't bother me, either.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: retrokid67 on January 08, 2014, 10:28:10 PM
I feel that Kokomo shouldn't have been a number one hit, let alone be nominated for a Grammy when so many other beach boys songs are way better.  ???


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 08, 2014, 10:45:01 PM
I feel that Kokomo shouldn't have been a number one hit, let alone be nominated for a Grammy when so many other beach boys songs are way better.  ???
What do you expect from the Grammys? They suck!

Besides, disliking Kokomo isn't an unpopular view at all. It's one of the most hated songs around here, and even in the general public!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: retrokid67 on January 08, 2014, 10:51:55 PM
I feel that Kokomo shouldn't have been a number one hit, let alone be nominated for a Grammy when so many other beach boys songs are way better.  ???
What do you expect from the Grammys? They suck!

Besides, disliking Kokomo isn't an unpopular view at all. It's one of the most hated songs around here, and even in the general public!

Yup the Grammys do suck  :lol but at least the song didn't win


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on January 09, 2014, 02:03:02 AM
All Summer Long on the other hand I find to be the most overrated album, hands down. There's a few great songs, but after listening to the whole album, I just didn't understand why it's so highly rated!
You're only the 2nd poster who says so, from what I gather. We all think it's great.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 09, 2014, 02:12:35 AM
All Summer Long on the other hand I find to be the most overrated album, hands down. There's a few great songs, but after listening to the whole album, I just didn't understand why it's so highly rated!
You're only the 2nd poster who says so, from what I gather. We all think it's great.
Who's the first?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Freddie French-Pounce on January 09, 2014, 02:19:09 AM
I do not get into The Beach Boys when other people are listening with me.

Can't explain it, but their songs sound very sub-par when I am not listening alone.

I know what you mean. They don't seem to mix in sadly.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Please delete my account on January 09, 2014, 02:33:43 AM
All Summer Long on the other hand I find to be the most overrated album, hands down. There's a few great songs, but after listening to the whole album, I just didn't understand why it's so highly rated!
You're only the 2nd poster who says so, from what I gather. We all think it's great.
Who's the first?

Aegir.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: mikeyj on January 09, 2014, 03:37:13 AM
I do not get into The Beach Boys when other people are listening with me.

Can't explain it, but their songs sound very sub-par when I am not listening alone.

I have experienced the same thing too. I thought I was the only one! I wonder why we feel that way though?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on January 09, 2014, 03:49:57 AM
SMiLE, had it come out in '67 as intended, would most certainly have been known as THE textbook definition of a summer of love psychedelic album, IMO. I don't think many people would dispute this (so this is actually probably a popular BB opinion).

I dispute this. In all friendship, of course. :)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on January 09, 2014, 03:54:56 AM
I Went To Sleep and Time To Get Alone from 20/20 I find overrated as well. Always found them to be the most boring tracks off that album.

Ha! Finally someone who agrees with me on this! I never dared to admit that before.


Do It Again IMHO is a horrible track, and is the worst song off 20/20.

Couldn't disagree more! :-D


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gohi on January 09, 2014, 04:07:43 AM
 The way the C50 ended and Mike continued touring his version of the Beach Boys is embarrassing and indefensible, despite what many around here have conditioned themselves to believe.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: zatch on January 09, 2014, 05:00:11 AM
I do not get into The Beach Boys when other people are listening with me.

Can't explain it, but their songs sound very sub-par when I am not listening alone.

I have experienced the same thing too. I thought I was the only one! I wonder why we feel that way though?

Me too.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Woodstock on January 09, 2014, 05:06:41 AM
My guess is that there is concern that whoever else is listening is only going to hear the music at face value. You have to listen to Surf's Up more than once to really get it, and I think that goes for a lot of their music.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SMiLE Brian on January 09, 2014, 05:17:57 AM
The way the C50 ended and Mike continued touring his version of the Beach Boys is embarrassing and indefensible, despite what many around here have conditioned themselves to believe.
I take it you took the red pill to escape the Mike-trix....


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: The Heartical Don on January 09, 2014, 05:35:39 AM
My guess is that there is concern that whoever else is listening is only going to hear the music at face value. You have to listen to Surf's Up more than once to really get it, and I think that goes for a lot of their music.

I think that is spot on, albeit that it may not be the only reason.

But I had that indeed with 'Surf's Up'. I myself got its utter brilliance, its being pure art, only after repeated listening. And when I introduced newbies to it, they response almost uniformly was: hm, not much of a melody, is it? And it's so slow, and it has no beat...

For the as-yet-unknowing, even Pet Sounds will be pretty inaccessible at first, I bet. It is so atypical a pop/rock record, and its gazillion details only reveal themselves after numerous attentive listens...

Throw in Today, Smiley Smile, Friends, Wild Honey, Holland, CATP, Love You,,, same characteristics. And there you go: their best is way more complex than we hardcore fans may believe. Which is great praise, as for me.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on January 09, 2014, 08:49:03 AM
But I had that indeed with 'Surf's Up'. I myself got its utter brilliance, its being pure art, only after repeated listening. And when I introduced newbies to it, they response almost uniformly was: hm, not much of a melody, is it? And it's so slow, and it has no beat...

I personally know someone who thinks Surf's Up is great! ;D


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: The Heartical Don on January 09, 2014, 09:01:47 AM
But I had that indeed with 'Surf's Up'. I myself got its utter brilliance, its being pure art, only after repeated listening. And when I introduced newbies to it, they response almost uniformly was: hm, not much of a melody, is it? And it's so slow, and it has no beat...

I personally know someone who thinks Surf's Up is great! ;D

It may sound surprising, but I think I know whom you mean.

BTW: Surf's Up is, should I have to make a choice, my all time favourite pop song.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Cyncie on January 09, 2014, 09:36:26 AM
I do not get into The Beach Boys when other people are listening with me.

Can't explain it, but their songs sound very sub-par when I am not listening alone.

No offense, but I don't get this. The Beach Boys become sub-par because of what? The fact that your friends aren't fans? None of my friends "get" Mozart, but that doesn't make his music sub-par. It makes them clueless.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: The Heartical Don on January 09, 2014, 09:41:49 AM
I do not get into The Beach Boys when other people are listening with me.

Can't explain it, but their songs sound very sub-par when I am not listening alone.

No offense, but I don't get this. The Beach Boys become sub-par because of what? The fact that your friends aren't fans? None of my friends "get" Mozart, but that doesn't make his music sub-par. It makes them clueless.

I apologise for throwing in my two cents' worth (= interpretation of 'sub-par'):

I did not take that literally. I took it to mean what I experience: I myself have a tendency to explain to others what is so great about the BBs. But this thought process, and my being wary of the other(s) not getting what I mean to say at all, makes the music itself become 'unravelled' in my own perception/brain/other. And then I think: gosh, they might find it very mediocre...

...I know all of this sounds very bizarre. But I love to hear my BBs alone, or in the company of fellow fans; preferably not with total newbies (after the experiences I described somewhere above).


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: donald on January 09, 2014, 11:17:49 AM
I do not get into The Beach Boys when other people are listening with me.

Can't explain it, but their songs sound very sub-par when I am not listening alone.

No offense, but I don't get this. The Beach Boys become sub-par because of what? The fact that your friends aren't fans? None of my friends "get" Mozart, but that doesn't make his music sub-par. It makes them clueless.







I apologise for throwing in my two cents' worth (= interpretation of 'sub-par'):

I did not take that literally. I took it to mean what I experience: I myself have a tendency to explain to others what is so great about the BBs. But this thought process, and my being wary of the other(s) not getting what I mean to say at all, makes the music itself become 'unravelled' in my own perception/brain/other. And then I think: gosh, they might find it very mediocre...

...I know all of this sounds very bizarre. But I love to hear my BBs alone, or in the company of fellow fans; preferably not with total newbies (after the experiences I described somewhere above).

Every time I tell some one I am a big beach boys fanI get the impression that they are thinking of Barbara Ann or Fun Fun Fun and may think I'm a simpleton who only likes catchy oldies.  But on occasion someone takes the opportunity to ask about Brian Wilson, Dennis, or the reunion tour.  Sometimes I just get a blank stare or forced smile.  The older I get the less I give a sh*t.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rotat on January 09, 2014, 11:55:28 AM
I do not get into The Beach Boys when other people are listening with me.

Can't explain it, but their songs sound very sub-par when I am not listening alone.

No offense, but I don't get this. The Beach Boys become sub-par because of what? The fact that your friends aren't fans? None of my friends "get" Mozart, but that doesn't make his music sub-par. It makes them clueless.

I apologise for throwing in my two cents' worth (= interpretation of 'sub-par'):

I did not take that literally. I took it to mean what I experience: I myself have a tendency to explain to others what is so great about the BBs. But this thought process, and my being wary of the other(s) not getting what I mean to say at all, makes the music itself become 'unravelled' in my own perception/brain/other. And then I think: gosh, they might find it very mediocre...

...I know all of this sounds very bizarre. But I love to hear my BBs alone, or in the company of fellow fans; preferably not with total newbies (after the experiences I described somewhere above).

I'm sure some people here know the exact feeling of that. I wouldn't say at all that the music is "sub par" with others, but I'm definitely more insecure with others when I put on something Beach Boys (or really anything) that they're not familiar with or I'm not sure there even gonna like. Or if they're even gonna laugh at me or be confused or give me some kind of weird reaction like that. It's like you're listening closely than usual and trying to hear it in their ears. A lot of times it can makes you think negatively like "Oh that main melody isn't that great, they're not gonna like this" or something like that.

That is why I too prefer to listen to the BBs alone. Then again I listen to all music I love the most alone anyways. I find it's pretty rare to find people with really close musical tastes to me, but that's because I listen to anything and I don't judge so harshly. It's almost like people who have no clue about anything to do with music (or films or whatever) are the people to most bitch about it or criticize it.



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Shady on January 09, 2014, 12:04:53 PM
Most of the songs on 85 and KTSA are fantastic


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Myk Luhv on January 09, 2014, 12:05:56 PM
The Beach Boys are pretty corny -- maybe admitting that is my unpopular opinion? -- so I can totally understand why most people my age (early-to-mid-20s) don't really like them, whether or not they're aware of their more "artistic" material like Pet Sounds or Smile, and whether or not their favourite band is influenced by this group and makes mention of this. (To say nothing of even more obscure albums like Friends, Surf's Up, Wild Honey and so on.) At the same time though, I obviously like them a lot and can at times appreciate, tolerate, or even share in that corniness. Smiley Smile and Love You are two of my favourite albums, ones which I will sometimes think are better than their aforementioned artistic high watermarks. (Another unpopular opinion, surely...) Some people can't, which is fine too. I've tried to get people into them before and more often than not it hasn't worked out so I've pretty much stopped trying. I like them and if I can get people into a couple of their lesser-known songs, as I've have with "Celebrate The News", great! I don't really mind though if this never happens. I mean, really, as much as I like songs about birds flying around windows with lovely but rather fey arrangements... I'm not really surprised many people think otherwise!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rotat on January 09, 2014, 12:18:02 PM
They can be very corny, I agree, which is maybe the difficulty they've always had finding success after Smile. Even when they tried to be a "serious" group, they can be corny at times still. CATP and Holland are probably the most "hip" and least corny albums I guess.

Still, I'm looking forward to show the next person I meet Smiley Smile and see what they're reaction is to that. I never listened to that with anyone else before. That one at least is pretty scary and disturbing at times, and it outweighs the corniness.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: startBBtoday on January 09, 2014, 07:33:54 PM
I don't like most of the Smiley Smile and Wild Honey albums. 1970s Beach Boys > late 1960s.

I also only really like Heroes and Villains, Cabin Essence, Wonderful, Surf's Up and Good Vibrations from Smile. A lot of Smile seems like repetitive filler.

I think Carl Wilson was a really underrated song writer for The Beach Boys. Long Promised Road, Feel Flows, The Trader and Leaving This Town are all standout tracks.

I also love everything Ricky and Blondie wrote for The Beach Boys. Hold On Dear Brother is a fantastic song.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 09, 2014, 07:53:21 PM
Here's an apparent big one:

I never understood all the hate for Bruce Johnston around here.
People seem to criticize a lot of his music and I seem to notice there's a lot of people who doesn't like him.

People around here also make Bruce the most ridiculed member.


Anyway, why? Why the lack of love for Bruce?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: retrokid67 on January 09, 2014, 09:44:13 PM
Here's an apparent big one:

I never understood all the hate for Bruce Johnston around here.
People seem to criticize a lot of his music and I seem to notice there's a lot of people who doesn't like him.

People around here also make Bruce the most ridiculed member.


Anyway, why? Why the lack of love for Bruce?


for me, if Bruce wasn't a member of a rock group and was a solo artist on his own his stuff isn't that bad.  people like Barry Manilow and David Cassidy whom he's worked with seem to fit more in his category.  The BB are a rock group and there's nothing really "rock" about Bruce you know what I mean? I mean this was the same guy that suggested that "Here Comes the Night" should be a disco song and by 1979 disco was dying out thanks to angry rock fans  :-\.  Maybe if they had done that two years earlier with the rise of Saturday Night Fever they would've gotten away with it, who knows?  :afro


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: urbanite on January 09, 2014, 10:12:35 PM
I think the Beach Boys over-used the falsetto sound in their music as they moved the early to mid 60's sound.  A little less of it would have done them some good.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: retrokid67 on January 09, 2014, 10:24:39 PM
I'm not a huge fan of California Girls except for the intro  :-\


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rotat on January 09, 2014, 10:41:09 PM
I'm not a huge fan of California Girls except for the intro  :-\

Did you ever hear it without vocals? It sounds awesome as an instrumental


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: retrokid67 on January 09, 2014, 11:04:41 PM
I'm not a huge fan of California Girls except for the intro  :-\

Did you ever hear it without vocals? It sounds awesome as an instrumental

Yea it does I actually prefer it over the actual song  :lol


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on January 09, 2014, 11:35:59 PM

I also only really like Heroes and Villains, Cabin Essence, Wonderful, Surf's Up and Good Vibrations from Smile. A lot of Smile seems like repetitive filler.


I thought I was the only one who didn't love Smile as much as I'm supposed to.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: startBBtoday on January 10, 2014, 07:13:43 AM

I also only really like Heroes and Villains, Cabin Essence, Wonderful, Surf's Up and Good Vibrations from Smile. A lot of Smile seems like repetitive filler.


I thought I was the only one who didn't love Smile as much as I'm supposed to.

I'm not sure anyone likes Smile as much as they think they're supposed to.

I also quite like how the history of the band turned out post-Smile. It seemed like for so long all anyone wanted to talk about RE:Brian was the aborted album that could have changed his career. I'm not so sure it would have, had it been completed. It very well could have flopped, sending Brian into the same funk he went into anyway.

And if no Smile means getting great songs from Carl and Dennis, or songs like Darlin', Do It Again, Break Away, This Whole World, Sail On Sailor, etc. out of Brian that might not have happened, then I'll take an incomplete Smile.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Please delete my account on January 10, 2014, 11:12:05 AM

I also only really like Heroes and Villains, Cabin Essence, Wonderful, Surf's Up and Good Vibrations from Smile. A lot of Smile seems like repetitive filler.


Remember we still don't know what a finished (in the 1960s) Smile would have sounded like. Perhaps the songs you don't like so much would have been rewritten or omitted altogether (though I think Vege-tables had pretty much finished evolving and I can't see that being left out).


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: startBBtoday on January 10, 2014, 12:43:23 PM

I also only really like Heroes and Villains, Cabin Essence, Wonderful, Surf's Up and Good Vibrations from Smile. A lot of Smile seems like repetitive filler.


Remember we still don't know what a finished (in the 1960s) Smile would have sounded like. Perhaps the songs you don't like so much would have been rewritten or omitted altogether (though I think Vege-tables had pretty much finished evolving and I can't see that being left out).

There would have had to have been a lot of tinkering for me to feel differently about songs like Vega-Tables, Do You Like Worms and Love to Say Dada, which I've only felt were OK since I first heard them on the 1993 box set back when it came out.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rotat on January 10, 2014, 12:51:32 PM
You have to take into account that most of the songs are still unfinished. It certainly sounds like
its about 90% finished, but it's probably much less finished than most people think it is. You can
only imagine what Brian may have added, or if he stitched together sections and whatnot
if he actually completed what he set out to do. Or at least he would have omitted certain
songs and only kept the best completed ones. I for one highly doubt Love To Say Da Da and some
other tunes would have made it on the actual album.

Anyway, to me, the most enjoyment of Smile is really the session outtakes and stuff. I don't really even
tend to listen to it as a song-by-song type of album, I think of it more as a bunch of random session materials,
sections, different takes (some beautifully completed, some that are just...there), and of course the whole myth, stories
and situations that go with it. Smile Sessions Box is my favorite piece of Smile, not even because of the "album" they put together on disc 1, but all those outtakes, sections and recording sessions on the other discs.

I can see if some aren't really crazy about session outtakes and stuff, but that's mostly what I love about Smile. I'm sure it would be better if it were actually completed, but since it wasn't, it's interesting to just hear what was done, uncut without trying to force pieces that may not even fit together.

--

As far as the "what ifs" with Smile, yeah I'm not into that. The whole discussion has been exhausted by now, and besides, I really love Smiley Smile, Wild Honey, Friends etc and wouldn't really want to change history. I'd love to hear more fully developed ideas from Brian like on Smile and Pet Sounds, but he would have changed the next year most likely anyways. Even the Beatles changed drastically on The White Album.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: startBBtoday on January 10, 2014, 12:59:19 PM
You have to take into account that most of the songs are still unfinished. It certainly sounds like
its about 90% finished, but it's probably much less finished than most people think it is. You can
only imagine what Brian may have added, or if he stitched together sections and whatnot
if he actually completed what he set out to do. Or at least he would have omitted certain
songs and only kept the best completed ones. I for one highly doubt Love To Say Da Da and some
other tunes would have made it on the actual album.

Anyway, to me, the most enjoyment of Smile is really the session outtakes and stuff. I don't really even
tend to listen to it as a song-by-song type of album, I think of it more as a bunch of random session materials,
sections, different takes (some beautifully completed, some that are just...there), and of course the whole myth, stories
and situations that go with it. Smile Sessions Box is my favorite piece of Smile, not even because of the "album" they put together on disc 1, but all those outtakes, sections and recording sessions on the other discs.

I can see if some aren't really crazy about session outtakes and stuff, but that's mostly what I love about Smile. I'm sure it would be better if it were actually completed, but since it wasn't, it's interesting to just hear what was done, uncut without trying to force pieces that may not even fit together.

--

As far as the "what ifs" with Smile, yeah I'm not into that. The whole discussion has been exhausted by now, and besides, I really love Smiley Smile, Wild Honey, Friends etc and wouldn't really want to change history. I'd love to hear more fully developed ideas from Brian like on Smile and Pet Sounds, but he would have changed the next year most likely anyways. Even the Beatles changed drastically on The White Album.

Many probably don't do this, but I group Brian's songwriting on Smile, Smiley Smile and Friends together. Obviously there's some stuff from that period that I really like (H&V, GV, Surf's Up, Cabin Essence, etc.), but in general that very "drug influenced" period of Brian's music is not my favorite.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rotat on January 10, 2014, 01:06:20 PM
Quote
Many probably don't do this, but I group Brian's songwriting on Smile, Smiley Smile and Friends together. Obviously there's some stuff from that period that I really like (H&V, GV, Surf's Up, Cabin Essence, etc.), but in general that very "drug influenced" period of Brian's music is not my favorite.

Can see your view on that. That drug influenced mid-late 60s period is definitely different than any other period of the band. Have you made a playlist grouping songs from those albums together? That sounds interesting.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: CenturyDeprived on January 10, 2014, 01:18:09 PM
"409" and "Little Deuce Coupe" (song) both bore me to tears.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: frightfulhog on January 10, 2014, 01:44:27 PM
"big sur"  is lovely, but lyrically it's worse than most mike lyrics. it's a great track - i just don't get its rep as ml's lyrical masterpiece.

(also, i hate to have my first post in the contrarian thread, but hey, everybody!)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rotat on January 10, 2014, 02:13:50 PM
"409" and "Little Deuce Coupe" (song) both bore me to tears.

I prefer the demo of Little Deuce Coupe.. Ever hear it? A spare demo of mostly piano, guitar, bass and Brian on lead throughout the whole thing. I forget what compilation it's from but I love it.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gabo on January 10, 2014, 02:16:32 PM
I don't really like Carl's singing in the 70s and beyond. He sounded too syrupy.


That is all.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: G.C on January 10, 2014, 03:13:40 PM
I hate Brian Wilson. He's the biggest asshole in american history.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 10, 2014, 03:43:31 PM
I hate Brian Wilson. He's the biggest asshole in american history.

I sincerely hope you're joking


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: startBBtoday on January 10, 2014, 03:49:43 PM
Quote
Many probably don't do this, but I group Brian's songwriting on Smile, Smiley Smile and Friends together. Obviously there's some stuff from that period that I really like (H&V, GV, Surf's Up, Cabin Essence, etc.), but in general that very "drug influenced" period of Brian's music is not my favorite.

Can see your view on that. That drug influenced mid-late 60s period is definitely different than any other period of the band. Have you made a playlist grouping songs from those albums together? That sounds interesting.

I haven't, just because it's not my favorite era.

Outside of H&V, GV, Surf's Up and Cabin Essence, the only songs I really seek out from those albums is Gettin' Hungry, Wonderful, Meant For You, Friends, Passing By, Little Bird and Diamond Head. That would make a pretty interesting playlist.

I'll also mention that I think Wild Honey really stands out from this period. I like about 85% of Wild Honey. Even though it falls in between Smiley Smile and Friends, I don't include it in that "era" so to speak, of Brian's "drug influenced" or mellower song writing. It's odd that Wild Honey falls in there. It would have made far more sense for the the order to go Smile, Smiley Smile, Friends, Wild Honey, 20/20. But obviously it didn't.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 10, 2014, 03:50:33 PM
Here's two songs I simply can't stand:

Little Deuce Coupe
Fun, Fun, Fun

And not that I hate songs such as Surfin' USA, but they really should have stopped performing that song (as well as the above two and Barbara Ann) from the late-60's onwards. It certainly didn't help their "Surfing Doris Day" image, and they had plenty of then-contemporary BB's songs that are easily great  enough to replace them with.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rotat on January 10, 2014, 04:25:48 PM
Quote
Many probably don't do this, but I group Brian's songwriting on Smile, Smiley Smile and Friends together. Obviously there's some stuff from that period that I really like (H&V, GV, Surf's Up, Cabin Essence, etc.), but in general that very "drug influenced" period of Brian's music is not my favorite.

Can see your view on that. That drug influenced mid-late 60s period is definitely different than any other period of the band. Have you made a playlist grouping songs from those albums together? That sounds interesting.

I haven't, just because it's not my favorite era.

Outside of H&V, GV, Surf's Up and Cabin Essence, the only songs I really seek out from those albums is Gettin' Hungry, Wonderful, Meant For You, Friends, Passing By, Little Bird and Diamond Head. That would make a pretty interesting playlist.

I'll also mention that I think Wild Honey really stands out from this period. I like about 85% of Wild Honey. Even though it falls in between Smiley Smile and Friends, I don't include it in that "era" so to speak, of Brian's "drug influenced" or mellower song writing. It's odd that Wild Honey falls in there. It would have made far more sense for the the order to go Smile, Smiley Smile, Friends, Wild Honey, 20/20. But obviously it didn't.

I always thought Friends sounded like a nice followup to Smiley Smile myself. Most of the songs on each have similar sounds/production. Meant For You, Anna Lee, Be Still and possibly a few others really remind me of Smiley Smile. Wild Honey seemed to be a spontaneous decision to have a more raw R&B, full band feel, its actually kinda weird they didn't stay in that direction. It really sounds like a debut album from a totally different band, especially songs like "How She Boogalooed It".



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on January 11, 2014, 04:55:37 AM
I'm not a huge fan of California Girls except for the intro  :-\

Same with me.


You have to take into account that most of the songs are still unfinished. It certainly sounds like
its about 90% finished, but it's probably much less finished than most people think it is.

I think you are right. There's a reason most of SMiLE didn't come out... IMHO to create a version of "Surf's Up" that satisfies Brian, it would have taken him as many sessions as for Good Vibrations.


I always thought Friends sounded like a nice followup to Smiley Smile myself. Most of the songs on each have similar sounds/production.

In the 70s they put out LP twofers of the post-Pet Sounds 60s albums. And they did indeed pair Smiley Smile with Friends and Wild Honey with 20/20 rather than pair them chronologically. "Be still" sounds as if it just belongs on Smiley Smile!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Freddie French-Pounce on January 11, 2014, 05:28:42 AM
I despise Surfer Girl. and Fan Fan Fan


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: alf wiedersehen on January 11, 2014, 10:57:52 AM
I'm fine with "Barbara Ann."


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: rab2591 on January 11, 2014, 11:07:23 AM
I'm fine with "Barbara Ann."

I've never understood the hate. Those harmonies are amazing.

Has a vocal-only of Barbara Ann ever been released (officially or unofficially)?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rotat on January 11, 2014, 11:19:45 AM
I love the early hits, but one thing I don't get is why everybody had to only hear the biggest hits and that's it. Seems like the Beach Boys went the way as in a lot of pre-1963 groups, even though they had a full career, releasing an album a year until 1973, then re-continuing again in 1976 until 1980. I know, Endless Summer, ignorant fans, marketing/record company pigeonholing them. I just think it's kinda sad really..

Even to this day they are pigeonholed. Just look at "Made In California". The cover and presentation is so stereotypical "fun in the sun at the beach" style, it's pretty tacky to be honest. The inside stuff is awesome, just talking about the cover and the main look of the whole thing from the outside.

I guess we should be grateful that the Beach Boys are well respected at all these days compared to the 70s, and that we get boxed sets like MIC.. I can't complain!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 15, 2014, 07:37:13 PM
Here's a few more.

Not a huge fan of Friends. It's a great album, but has never been one of my favourites.
4th Of July sucks, it's very overrated around here, as is Marcella and All I Wanna Do.
I wish David Marks could have replaced Brian on the road and gradually re-joined the BB's instead of Glen Campbell or Bruce Johnston.
Don't really care for Brian Wilson Presents Smile, That Lucky Old Sun, or Brian Wilson Reimagines Gershwin. There, I said it!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Ebb and Flow on January 15, 2014, 07:53:11 PM
Has a vocal-only of Barbara Ann ever been released (officially or unofficially)?

Due to the way the Party! album was recorded, (live to two(?) tracks, plus an additional "party" overdub) It's not really possible.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Moon Dawg on January 15, 2014, 08:07:53 PM
I sort of like "When Girls Get Together." Evocative of a weird summer day in the park where everyone is moving in slow motion, with an ice cream truck in the vicinity.

  "Wouldn't It Be Nice" has worn on me just a bit these last few years.

  


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 15, 2014, 08:12:24 PM
  I sort of like "When Girls Get Together."

  "Wouldn't It Be Nice" has worn on me just a bit these last few years.

   

Agree with the bottom comment
Disagree with the top comment


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Jukka on January 16, 2014, 01:02:51 AM
 I sort of like "When Girls Get Together." Evocative of a weird summer day in the park where everyone is stoned and moving in slow motion, with an ice cream truck in the vicinity. 

Exactly my thoughts! Very well put... It paints a scenery that is somehow bot inviting and disturbing at the same time. A very psychedelic song, I'd say.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: job on January 16, 2014, 08:54:51 AM
1.  R & B were awesome.  I wish they had stayed.  They gave the band's sound a great new dynamic.

2.  I actually love the live version of SIP on MIC.  The drumming and guitar are so much fun.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: pixletwin on January 16, 2014, 09:20:13 AM
I absolutely lovely When Girls Get Together. To me it's a got a touching sort of "circle of life" sentiment that I find very appealing.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Summer_Days on January 16, 2014, 11:57:28 AM
I love the early hits, but one thing I don't get is why everybody had to only hear the biggest hits and that's it. Seems like the Beach Boys went the way as in a lot of pre-1963 groups, even though they had a full career, releasing an album a year until 1973, then re-continuing again in 1976 until 1980. I know, Endless Summer, ignorant fans, marketing/record company pigeonholing them. I just think it's kinda sad really..

Even to this day they are pigeonholed. Just look at "Made In California". The cover and presentation is so stereotypical "fun in the sun at the beach" style, it's pretty tacky to be honest. The inside stuff is awesome, just talking about the cover and the main look of the whole thing from the outside.

I guess we should be grateful that the Beach Boys are well respected at all these days compared to the 70s, and that we get boxed sets like MIC.. I can't complain!


Here's a somewhat unpopular opinion of mine: I actually like the whole sun/beach/SoCal identity of the Beach Boys. There are times when it's played a little too much, like on the rather silly KTSA album cover or some of the uglier, dated Hawaiian shirts the boys have worn before, but by and large, as a graphic design student who loves to play around in Photoshop and such, designing my own BBs album covers and t-shirts just for fun, I've come to appreciate that aspect of the band. They're guys from the South Shore of L.A., the 1950s and '60s. It's a big part of who they are. I love the fun in the sun covers to Surfin' Safari, Surfer Girl and All Summer Long. I don't like the band has been pigeonholed (or has pigeonholed themselves) so often with this as old men, but that doesn't stop my love for the early "fun in the sun" days and all that comes with it.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Sam_BFC on January 16, 2014, 12:01:04 PM
I don't reckon that opinion would be too unpopular  :)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Shady on January 16, 2014, 03:11:24 PM
Sumahama is a beautiful song


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on January 16, 2014, 03:18:41 PM
Sumahama is a beautiful song

Performed, well, lip-synched, on American Bandstand!!!! :o


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 16, 2014, 03:20:28 PM
Sumahama is a beautiful song

You're right about putting that opinion here  :lol


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 16, 2014, 03:22:01 PM
A few pages back, I wrote that All I Want To Do is better than Lonely Sea, Surfer Girl, and In My Room.

I have seen the error of my ways.

Those three songs are much better than All I Want To Do in every way. They're Brian's first masterpieces!

But I'd still take All I Want To Do over a vast majority of the early songs


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Eric Aniversario on January 16, 2014, 04:49:41 PM
I think that there definitely should have been a Still Cruisin / Summer in Paradise two-fer reissue.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Shady on January 16, 2014, 06:27:54 PM
Sumahama is a beautiful song

You're right about putting that opinion here  :lol

I don't get it, the "Tell me tell me mama will you go with me back to Sumahama" part is irresistible.

It sucks how people hate it, their loss.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: pixletwin on January 16, 2014, 06:29:13 PM
Sumahama is one of the songs I despised when I first heard it, but has slowly won me over.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 16, 2014, 06:44:21 PM
Sumahama is a beautiful song

You're right about putting that opinion here  :lol

I don't get it, the "Tell me tell me mama will you go with me back to Sumahama" part is irresistible.

It sucks how people hate it, their loss.

The music's unlistenable, Mike's at his most nasal and obnoxious, the production sucks, and don't get me started on the Japanese section!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: pixletwin on January 16, 2014, 07:02:16 PM
Sumahama is a beautiful song

You're right about putting that opinion here  :lol

I don't get it, the "Tell me tell me mama will you go with me back to Sumahama" part is irresistible.

It sucks how people hate it, their loss.

The music's unlistenable, Mike's at his most nasal and obnoxious, the production sucks, and don't get me started on the Japanese section!

Yes please. I would like to get you started on the Japanese section.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 16, 2014, 07:04:51 PM
Sumahama is a beautiful song

You're right about putting that opinion here  :lol

I don't get it, the "Tell me tell me mama will you go with me back to Sumahama" part is irresistible.

It sucks how people hate it, their loss.

The music's unlistenable, Mike's at his most nasal and obnoxious, the production sucks, and don't get me started on the Japanese section!

Yes please. I would like to get you started on the Japanese section.
For one, I showed it to my mum, who is Japanese. She found his Japanese to be hard to understand, and found it laughable.

And I agree, it is pretty embarrassing, I don't know what he was thinking when he added that section.
That, as well as all the other points above, is why I consider Sumahama to be the worst non-SIP BB's song


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: CenturyDeprived on January 16, 2014, 10:52:02 PM
Sumahama is a beautiful song

You're right about putting that opinion here  :lol

I don't get it, the "Tell me tell me mama will you go with me back to Sumahama" part is irresistible.

It sucks how people hate it, their loss.

The music's unlistenable, Mike's at his most nasal and obnoxious, the production sucks, and don't get me started on the Japanese section!

Yes please. I would like to get you started on the Japanese section.
For one, I showed it to my mum, who is Japanese. She found his Japanese to be hard to understand, and found it laughable.

And I agree, it is pretty embarrassing, I don't know what he was thinking when he added that section.
That, as well as all the other points above, is why I consider Sumahama to be the worst non-SIP BB's song

New idea from this thread: I must play my Asian friends Sumahama just to see their reactions. Not sure if they would feel offended? Or just neutral about it? Hard to say. I'm sure the song was conceived just as a pleasant ode to that part of the world, but it might come across a bit differently than its author's intention, methinks.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 16, 2014, 11:07:47 PM
Sumahama is a beautiful song

You're right about putting that opinion here  :lol

I don't get it, the "Tell me tell me mama will you go with me back to Sumahama" part is irresistible.

It sucks how people hate it, their loss.

The music's unlistenable, Mike's at his most nasal and obnoxious, the production sucks, and don't get me started on the Japanese section!

Yes please. I would like to get you started on the Japanese section.
For one, I showed it to my mum, who is Japanese. She found his Japanese to be hard to understand, and found it laughable.

And I agree, it is pretty embarrassing, I don't know what he was thinking when he added that section.
That, as well as all the other points above, is why I consider Sumahama to be the worst non-SIP BB's song

New idea from this thread: I must play my Asian friends Sumahama just to see their reactions. Not sure if they would feel offended? Or just neutral about it? Hard to say. I'm sure the song was conceived just as a pleasant ode to that part of the world, but it might come across a bit differently than its author's intention, methinks.

I doubt if your non-Japanese friends would care. If they are Japanese, and If they are offended, it would probably be because of how awful it is. But I doubt if they'd get offended


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: The Heartical Don on January 17, 2014, 01:33:54 AM
I like 'Kokomo' a lot.

It's often unfairly dismissed (the movie? It being from around SIP period? Mike's vocals? wouldn't know).

It is a classic BBs melody, with that seductive 'step up' in the chords, in its chorus. Very Brian-ish.

And Carl's vocals are so great.

The 'Kokomo' revival starts here, folks.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on January 17, 2014, 02:25:49 AM
Sumahama is a beautiful song

You're right about putting that opinion here  :lol

I really like the orchestral intro though.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on January 17, 2014, 02:28:16 AM
Sumahama is a beautiful song

You're right about putting that opinion here  :lol

I don't get it, the "Tell me tell me mama will you go with me back to Sumahama" part is irresistible.

It sucks how people hate it, their loss.

The music's unlistenable, Mike's at his most nasal and obnoxious, the production sucks, and don't get me started on the Japanese section!

Yes please. I would like to get you started on the Japanese section.
For one, I showed it to my mum, who is Japanese. She found his Japanese to be hard to understand, and found it laughable.

The same goes for the German of "Ganz allein", by the way.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Jukka on January 17, 2014, 02:41:43 AM
Sumahama is a beautiful song

You're right about putting that opinion here  :lol

I don't get it, the "Tell me tell me mama will you go with me back to Sumahama" part is irresistible.

It sucks how people hate it, their loss.

The music's unlistenable, Mike's at his most nasal and obnoxious, the production sucks, and don't get me started on the Japanese section!

Yes please. I would like to get you started on the Japanese section.
For one, I showed it to my mum, who is Japanese. She found his Japanese to be hard to understand, and found it laughable.

The same goes for the German of "Ganz allein", by the way.

Funny, I don't really speak German, but I understand it well enough (reading/listening), and I've always found "Ganz Allein" pretty easy to understand, maybe even easier than native speaker's German. How do you rate the translation, does it capture the mood and feeling of the original? I've always thought "ganz allein" works way better than for example "in meinem Raum".


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: pixletwin on January 17, 2014, 05:09:03 AM
Sumahama is a beautiful song

You're right about putting that opinion here  :lol

I don't get it, the "Tell me tell me mama will you go with me back to Sumahama" part is irresistible.

It sucks how people hate it, their loss.

The music's unlistenable, Mike's at his most nasal and obnoxious, the production sucks, and don't get me started on the Japanese section!

Yes please. I would like to get you started on the Japanese section.
For one, I showed it to my mum, who is Japanese. She found his Japanese to be hard to understand, and found it laughable.

And I agree, it is pretty embarrassing, I don't know what he was thinking when he added that section.
That, as well as all the other points above, is why I consider Sumahama to be the worst non-SIP BB's song

I can't imagine anyone being offended (or surprised for that matter) that Mike Love speaks terrible Japanese.  :lol


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: chrs_mrgn on January 18, 2014, 09:38:37 AM
Everyone on this forum always talks about how the beach boys went downhill after endless summer.

A lot of people seem to think that its because endless summer came out.

I think the dudes were running out of creative juice.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: mikeddonn on January 18, 2014, 02:16:34 PM
And who could blame them!  Not many bands around today were as good as they were 13 years ago.  I think the Boys did great to last that long, and then managed to get a massive boost out of Endless Summer, which led to sell out concerts and more record deals.  How many bands nowadays could manage that?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mr. Wilson on January 18, 2014, 02:19:04 PM
Im of the opinion that the casual fans kept the BB from progressing.. The artful music was not as commercial or audience participation friendly.. And the 60's music was so great it was hard to top it.. And when they tried writing in the old style it sounded forced instead natural.. They grew up + got older..  I took my sister to a couple of BB shows in 70"s and she heard all the newier albums.. But when she got to the concert she forgot about those and just wanted 60"s stuff.. I saw that on the C50 tour also.. There was lot's of people in the audience that had never heard " Forever " and stuff like that.. BB were between a rock + a hard place after the 60"s.. Then you add in Advances in recording technology.. In house fighting+ EGO.. Drugs + Alcohol... Insecurities + loss of confidence... Mental disorders.. Lazy attitude + Indifference..  MONEY + Fame.. You got an elixir of confusion.. IMHO.. The BB tried as hard as they could.. Till 1981.. No CW + takin a damaged BW on tour was a SERIOUS misstep .. They still tried to a certain degree till 1992 + SIP + cheer leaders.. Then it was over..  So to me 1st 30 years they were a contemporary mainstream band.. Since 1992 they are a oldies act till 2012.. I was so glad when BW went solo because that was the only way he had a chance to be NEW again.. As far as BB an oldies act well there is plenty of blame to go around.. Including me .. I went to their concerts a couple times a year every year.... Its not just the 7 people we call the BB.... We all gave in to the oldies routine at some point..  How do you think Mike + Bruce still do shows.. I don't go but somebody sure does... Even BW in 2007 started doin oldies shows.. And I go to those anyway even tho I YEARN for.. Until I Die.. Imagination.. Surfs Up.. Wonderful.. All the ballads on side 2 of "Today".. Songs from TLOS.. Melt Away.. ETC.. I know I wont get much of that anymore..  I love BB warts and all..


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 18, 2014, 02:19:44 PM
Everyone on this forum always talks about how the beach boys went downhill after endless summer.

A lot of people seem to think that its because endless summer came out.

I think the dudes were running out of creative juice.

Certainly not Dennis, or possibly Carl!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 18, 2014, 08:01:34 PM
I've always hated Catch A Wave. Always Have and Always Will.

Though the live version is a improvement, there's just something about the original that I really, really dislike


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Pretty Funky on January 18, 2014, 09:29:32 PM
Yeah the keyboard in the middle is pretty lame to me.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Shady on January 18, 2014, 11:09:18 PM
I've always hated Catch A Wave. Always Have and Always Will.

Though the live version is a improvement, there's just something about the original that I really, really dislike

I find Catch a wave to be pretty lifeless. Don't hate it, don't love it either


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Summer_Days on January 18, 2014, 11:27:59 PM
I think 'Catch A Wave' is the Beach Boys' best surfing song. I love the harp and the cymbals that mimic the surf.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 18, 2014, 11:49:22 PM
I think 'Catch A Wave' is the Beach Boys' best surfing song. I love the harp and the cymbals that mimic the surf.

Give Me Surfin' Safari, Surfin', the whole of Surfin' USA, and Most of Surfer Girl (except for South Bay Surfer, Boogie Woodie, and the especially awful Surfers Rule) over Catch A Wave!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 19, 2014, 12:14:27 AM
Though I must say I much prefer Sidewalk Surfin' by Jan and Dean over Catch A Wave.

The biggest preference is the lack of that horrible organ solo in the middle. Overall, it's a lot better than Catch A Wave.

That being said, not a big fan of Sidewalk Surfin'


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: zatch on January 19, 2014, 12:56:31 AM
I like 'Kokomo' a lot.

It's often unfairly dismissed (the movie? It being from around SIP period? Mike's vocals? wouldn't know).

It is a classic BBs melody, with that seductive 'step up' in the chords, in its chorus. Very Brian-ish.

And Carl's vocals are so great.

The 'Kokomo' revival starts here, folks.

I've always been a Kokomo fan.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Marcella on January 19, 2014, 02:45:21 AM
I DON'T skip Barbara friggen' Ann when I hear it...the ultimate unpopular BB opinion...oh, and I don't "get" the love for In the Back of My Mind". .Scuse me while I run for cover...


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Woodstock on January 19, 2014, 04:31:00 AM
I like every song on That's Why God Made The Radio.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on January 19, 2014, 07:21:22 AM
I've always hated Catch A Wave. Always Have and Always Will.

Though the live version is a improvement, there's just something about the original that I really, really dislike

I find Catch a wave to be pretty lifeless. Don't hate it, don't love it either

It's a bit too slow and the guitar solo sound is not as good as on the previous 2 LPs, but other than that it's a good song to me.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on January 19, 2014, 07:47:52 AM
The same goes for the German of "Ganz allein", by the way.

Funny, I don't really speak German, but I understand it well enough (reading/listening), and I've always found "Ganz Allein" pretty easy to understand, maybe even easier than native speaker's German. How do you rate the translation, does it capture the mood and feeling of the original? I've always thought "ganz allein" works way better than for example "in meinem Raum".

The translation - well, in content it really fits the original lyrics, but the lyrical style is kind of, say, "belle epoque"... for listeners who have read a lot of Goethe and Schiller. :wink

The "Ganz allein" singing needs a bit of concentration to understand if German is your first language. The effect though is familiar for me: I find French spoken by Germans is a lot easier to understand than native speaker's French.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: clack on January 19, 2014, 08:23:37 AM
Everyone on this forum always talks about how the beach boys went downhill after endless summer.

A lot of people seem to think that its because endless summer came out.

I think the dudes were running out of creative juice.
I don't think the dudes ever ran out of creative juice. Having re-established themselves in the early 70's as a progressive rock outfit, in the late 70's the musical zeitgeist shifted once again, and they found themselves in the era of punk and new wave.

The late 70's early 80's also did in the Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Steely Dan, Yes, ELP, Peter Frampton , the Bee Gees, the Who, the Moody Blues, etc.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: sockittome on January 19, 2014, 09:39:44 AM
Everyone on this forum always talks about how the beach boys went downhill after endless summer.

A lot of people seem to think that its because endless summer came out.

I think the dudes were running out of creative juice.
I don't think the dudes ever ran out of creative juice. Having re-established themselves in the early 70's as a progressive rock outfit, in the late 70's the musical zeitgeist shifted once again, and they found themselves in the era of punk and new wave.

The late 70's early 80's also did in the Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Steely Dan, Yes, ELP, Peter Frampton , the Bee Gees, the Who, the Moody Blues, etc.

It's hard to pinpoint exactly what happened to the BBs in the 70's.  After the nostalgia trip died down (after all the American Bicentennial hubbub faded out, and disco dominated the airwaves) things got pretty weird.  It's almost as if the boys were straddling the progressive/oldies line in the late 70's.  And you gotta admit, they were each personally in pretty bad shape at the time.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: mikeddonn on January 19, 2014, 04:23:13 PM
I think they did remarkably well to keep going and make some great music through difficult personal times.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 20, 2014, 03:56:08 PM
Here's another one:

I've always liked the Disco Here Comes The Night!

I never truly got why it's so hated around here. For a disco song, this is quite good! They did a great job at it, the production is great, and the vocals are perfect!

The only flaw is it came out slightly too late, as well as putting the 10 minute version on the Light Album, much as I love that version.

But seriously, enough with the hate. It's still better than Full Sail, Shortenin' Bread, Goin' South, and especially the awful, awful Sumahama!



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: TimeToGetAlone on January 20, 2014, 04:03:56 PM
Here Comes the Night does have plenty of decent musical ideas.  And the R&B tinge of the original made it a viable choice for a remake.  Over time though, I've had a lot of the trouble with the vocal sound and production on L.A.  It's really only Dennis' songs and maybe Angel Come Home that comes out unscathed (as much as I like Good Timin' overall).


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 20, 2014, 04:06:15 PM
Here Comes the Night does have plenty of decent musical ideas.  And the R&B tinge of the original made it a viable choice for a remake.  Over time though, I've had a lot of the trouble with the vocal sound and production on L.A.  It's really only Dennis' songs and maybe Angel Come Home that comes out unscathed (as much as I like Good Timin' overall).

Yeah, the Dennis songs are easily the best off the Light Album, hands down, as well as Good Timin', Lady Lynda, and Angel Come Home.

For the songs above alone, I consider L.A. Light Album a very underrated album


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: startBBtoday on January 20, 2014, 10:24:20 PM
Here's another one:

I've always liked the Disco Here Comes The Night!

I never truly got why it's so hated around here. For a disco song, this is quite good! They did a great job at it, the production is great, and the vocals are perfect!

The only flaw is it came out slightly too late, as well as putting the 10 minute version on the Light Album, much as I love that version.

But seriously, enough with the hate. It's still better than Full Sail, Shortenin' Bread, Goin' South, and especially the awful, awful Sumahama!



If the Beach Boys really wanted to capitalize on the disco fad, they should have discofied "Darlin'." Could have been a hit.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 20, 2014, 11:20:10 PM
Never liked Fun, Fun, Fun. From the moment I first heard it, I disliked it. In fact after I first heard it, I steered well away from BB's music for a while.

Busy Doin' Nothin' is fairly overrated, don't get why it's so popular


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on January 20, 2014, 11:27:02 PM
Im of the opinion that the casual fans kept the BB from progressing.. The artful music was not as commercial or audience participation friendly.. And the 60's music was so great it was hard to top it.. And when they tried writing in the old style it sounded forced instead natural.. They grew up + got older..  I took my sister to a couple of BB shows in 70"s and she heard all the newier albums.. But when she got to the concert she forgot about those and just wanted 60"s stuff.. I saw that on the C50 tour also.. There was lot's of people in the audience that had never heard " Forever " and stuff like that.. BB were between a rock + a hard place after the 60"s.. Then you add in Advances in recording technology.. In house fighting+ EGO.. Drugs + Alcohol... Insecurities + loss of confidence... Mental disorders.. Lazy attitude + Indifference..  MONEY + Fame.. You got an elixir of confusion.. IMHO.. The BB tried as hard as they could.. Till 1981.. No CW + takin a damaged BW on tour was a SERIOUS misstep .. They still tried to a certain degree till 1992 + SIP + cheer leaders.. Then it was over..  So to me 1st 30 years they were a contemporary mainstream band.. Since 1992 they are a oldies act till 2012.. I was so glad when BW went solo because that was the only way he had a chance to be NEW again.. As far as BB an oldies act well there is plenty of blame to go around.. Including me .. I went to their concerts a couple times a year every year.... Its not just the 7 people we call the BB.... We all gave in to the oldies routine at some point..  How do you think Mike + Bruce still do shows.. I don't go but somebody sure does... Even BW in 2007 started doin oldies shows.. And I go to those anyway even tho I YEARN for.. Until I Die.. Imagination.. Surfs Up.. Wonderful.. All the ballads on side 2 of "Today".. Songs from TLOS.. Melt Away.. ETC.. I know I wont get much of that anymore..  I love BB warts and all..

You do Mr. Wilson. Love your stories. The super devoted fans who bring that in depth knowledge of the band is what keeps me reading the board!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rotat on January 22, 2014, 01:46:51 AM
"Crack At Your Love", despite the cheesy production and the hilarious title, is an awesome song.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 22, 2014, 02:06:09 AM
"Crack At Your Love", despite the cheesy production and the hilarious title, is an awesome song.

It's not one of the better songs off the 85 album, but I don't mind that song


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: G.C on January 22, 2014, 04:33:16 AM
Love You is extremely overrated.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: phirnis on January 22, 2014, 05:07:12 AM
Love You is extremely overrated.

It's a favorite among a number of middle-aged blokes on message boards. Also, BW himself as well as Al Jardine seem to be rather fond of it. Hardly anyone else knows the thing even exists.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Woodstock on January 22, 2014, 06:16:21 AM
I love Love You! Though, few others in my school seem to share that opinion.
Not that I share Love You around very much...


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Phoenix on January 22, 2014, 07:27:55 AM
Love You is extremely overrated.

 :rock


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: rab2591 on January 22, 2014, 08:42:56 AM
Love You is extremely overrated.

It's a favorite among a number of middle-aged blokes on message boards. Also, BW himself as well as Al Jardine seem to be rather fond of it. Hardly anyone else knows the thing even exists.

This.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: job on January 22, 2014, 09:40:29 AM
1.  R & B were awesome.  I wish they had stayed.  They gave the band's sound a great new dynamic.

2.  I actually love the live version of SIP on MIC.  The drumming and guitar are so much fun.

Really???  No comments?  I guess you all are enjoying the endless effing Kokomo & Love You debates too much.  Boring.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on January 22, 2014, 10:58:12 AM
Maybe everyone just agreed with you.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on January 22, 2014, 11:22:59 AM
1.  R & B were awesome.  I wish they had stayed.  They gave the band's sound a great new dynamic.

2.  I actually love the live version of SIP on MIC.  The drumming and guitar are so much fun.

Really???  No comments?  I guess you all are enjoying the endless effing Kokomo & Love You debates too much.  Boring.

1. Agree, 100%.

2. Agree, 100%.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: job on January 22, 2014, 03:27:16 PM
Heh...apparently I am the boring one then.  Carry on!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 22, 2014, 03:33:48 PM
1.  R & B were awesome.  I wish they had stayed.  They gave the band's sound a great new dynamic.

2.  I actually love the live version of SIP on MIC.  The drumming and guitar are so much fun.

Really???  No comments?  I guess you all are enjoying the endless effing Kokomo & Love You debates too much.  Boring.

I agree with everything you said  :)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: runnersdialzero on January 22, 2014, 05:09:48 PM
I like Blondie's voice a lot and like Ricky's drumming. I don't really care for their songwriting, nor do I (usually!) care for the stereotypical 70s rock sound the band had when Blondie and Ricky were in the band. Like, there's enough of that stuff out there already, it didn't need to make its way into the Beach Boys on a permanent basis. As goofy/spotty as 15 Big Ones was and as much as it as the beginning of the end, I'd take the likes of "Had To Phone Ya", "It's OK", Love You etc. over much of what's on Holland and So Tough and the direction they were seemingly headed.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: alf wiedersehen on January 22, 2014, 05:20:25 PM
I don't really care for their songwriting, nor do I (usually!) care for the stereotypical 70s rock sound the band had when Blondie and Ricky were in the band. Like, there's enough of that stuff out there already, it didn't need to make its way into the Beach Boys on a permanent basis. As goofy/spotty as 15 Big Ones was and as much as it as the beginning of the end, I'd take the likes of "Had To Phone Ya", "It's OK", Love You etc. over much of what's on Holland and So Tough and the direction they were seemingly headed.

I wholeheartedly agree with this.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 22, 2014, 05:30:32 PM
I like Blondie's voice a lot and like Ricky's drumming. I don't really care for their songwriting, nor do I (usually!) care for the stereotypical 70s rock sound the band had when Blondie and Ricky were in the band. Like, there's enough of that stuff out there already, it didn't need to make its way into the Beach Boys on a permanent basis. As goofy/spotty as 15 Big Ones was and as much as it as the beginning of the end, I'd take the likes of "Had To Phone Ya", "It's OK", Love You etc. over much of what's on Holland and So Tough and the direction they were seemingly headed.

I love all the songs from CATP and Holland (except He Come Down, the boring Steamboat, the inferior version of Big Sur and The Beaks Of Eagles).
As for 15 Big Ones, I listened to the whole album recently. The only songs worth listening to from that are Palisades Park and Just Once In My Life. Don't care for the overrated Had To Phone Ya or the awful It's OK and the mediocre cover of Rock And Roll Music


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on January 23, 2014, 02:55:49 AM
1.  R & B were awesome.  I wish they had stayed.  They gave the band's sound a great new dynamic.

2.  I actually love the live version of SIP on MIC.  The drumming and guitar are so much fun.

OK, I don't want to post negative things all the time. But here you go:

1. I find the albums R & B are on boring, their songs too (except Hard Times), and I'm not a fan of Blondie's voice. I'm sure both are fabulous fellows though.

2. I agree that you like that version, there's no indication whatsoever that you don't! :wink

Don't worry, posts go uncommented at times. Maybe even most times.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on January 23, 2014, 03:07:51 AM
1.  R & B were awesome.  I wish they had stayed.  They gave the band's sound a great new dynamic.

2.  I actually love the live version of SIP on MIC.  The drumming and guitar are so much fun.

Really???  No comments?  I guess you all are enjoying the endless effing Kokomo & Love You debates too much.  Boring.

1. I like this abbreviation "R & B", kind of funnily matches them. On a serious note, I totally 2nd you.

2. As a fan of not only SIP song, but the homonym album itself, I, of course, too enjoy the live v-n.

As to commenting or not, I reckon it's sth. to do with The Real Beach Boy (one of our mods) favoriting you & NOT anyone else (well, except for Surfer). Simply, we are jealous!..      Okay, I jest.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 23, 2014, 03:21:37 AM
1.  R & B were awesome.  I wish they had stayed.  They gave the band's sound a great new dynamic.

2.  I actually love the live version of SIP on MIC.  The drumming and guitar are so much fun.

Really???  No comments?  I guess you all are enjoying the endless effing Kokomo & Love You debates too much.  Boring.

1. I like this abbreviation "R & B", kind of funnily matches them. On a serious note, I totally 2nd you.

2. As a fan of not only SIP song, but the homonym album itself, I, of course, too enjoy the live v-n.

As to commenting or not, I reckon it's sth. to do with The Real Beach Boy (one of our mods) favoriting you & NOT anyone else (well, except for Surfer). Simply, we are jealous!..      Okay, I jest.

Having listened to the whole SIP album recently, I can safely say that the title track, Remember (For the most part, it's rubbish. But Carl's vocals save it from being one of the worst) and Slow Summer Dancin' are the only half-good songs, and even with them they'd be some of the worst songs off the average BB's album. And with the title track, the UK remix is much better, as is the live version.
The rest of the songs: I'd rather listen to 15 Big Ones, MIU and KTSA over and over again in a loop instead of hearing those awful piles of sh*t again!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on January 23, 2014, 03:44:42 AM
[...] and Slow Summer Dancin' are the only half-good songs.
What half of the song is good in your book - Al's chorus or Bruce's verses?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on January 24, 2014, 05:40:54 AM
Another unpopular opinion of mine: While I agree that "Prayer" is a fantastic majestic track, it's a terrible opener for an album called "SMiLE", especially with that funny album cover with the drawing of a SMiLE store. I mean, minor chords in a Gregorian chant like singing style when you expect fun? I think I wouldn't even have liked the track if I had first listened to it under such circumstances.

It would have been a perfect intro to an album called "Dumb Angel", though...


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on January 24, 2014, 06:21:51 AM
Another unpopular opinion of mine: While I agree that "Prayer" is a fantastic majestic track, it's a terrible opener for an album called "SMiLE", especially with that funny album cover with the drawing of a SMiLE store. I mean, minor chords in a Gregorian chant like singing style when you expect fun?
Don't know if you missed it, but there were some talks about Our Prayer on the Jimmy F. thread where most people agreed in unity that it's not Gregorian chant. I'm with them too, I think (at least from what I've got; some of the terms were too scientific for me). You, Micha, decide for yourself.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on January 24, 2014, 06:42:11 AM
Another unpopular opinion of mine: While I agree that "Prayer" is a fantastic majestic track, it's a terrible opener for an album called "SMiLE", especially with that funny album cover with the drawing of a SMiLE store. I mean, minor chords in a Gregorian chant like singing style when you expect fun?
Don't know if you missed it, but there were some talks about Our Prayer on the Jimmy F. thread where most people agreed in unity that it's not Gregorian chant. I'm with them too, I think (at least from what I've got; some of the terms were too scientific for me). You, Micha, decide for yourself.

Technically you are correct of course, but "Gregorian chants" is what comes to mind to the uneducated ear upon hearing "Prayer". I should have made that clearer but was too lazy.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: feelsflow on January 24, 2014, 07:32:40 AM
I love Love You! Though, few others in my school seem to share that opinion.
Not that I share Love You around very much...
So not on your Backpack list then?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: runnersdialzero on January 24, 2014, 07:55:37 AM
Another unpopular opinion of mine: While I agree that "Prayer" is a fantastic majestic track, it's a terrible opener for an album called "SMiLE", especially with that funny album cover with the drawing of a SMiLE store.

There's a lot of quality material you'd have to lop off if you went by that. Smile isn't such a simple album/set of material.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Surfs Down on January 24, 2014, 11:53:23 AM
Another unpopular opinion of mine: While I agree that "Prayer" is a fantastic majestic track, it's a terrible opener for an album called "SMiLE", especially with that funny album cover with the drawing of a SMiLE store.

There's a lot of quality material you'd have to lop off if you went by that. Smile isn't such a simple album/set of material.

Agreed.  However, i think it raises the point of whether or not SMiLE is an appropriate album title.  Perhaps it's an unpopular opinion of mine, but I always was thrown off by it.  With the exceptions of VegaTables, HV, Song for Children, Barnyard there isn't really a coherently goofy, fun vibe through the whole piece.  In fact, I would say Fire, Child, Windchimes and Surf's Up are among some of the moodier, dark tracks in the BB catalogue.  (this doesn't mean that the whole work had to be nothing but Fun Fun Fun, but still.....).  Yes there's plenty of playful word twisting throughout but does it consistently fall into the Brian Laughter=Transcendence philosophy? 

It's possible it's going over my head but thematically the whole journey across America thing never clicked with me either.  Maybe this is part is one of the results of it being unfinished?  Maybe it's scatterbrained?  I could be missing something from the "finished" album that Brian presented in 2004, but I could never bring myself to really listen to this in it's entirely (another unpopular opinion here maybe?)

I think it's the best music Brian's composed, but at the very least an ambiguous work in terms of structure/ideas


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 24, 2014, 02:49:35 PM
[...] and Slow Summer Dancin' are the only half-good songs.
What half of the song is good in your book - Al's chorus or Bruce's verses?

I didn't mean half like that.
I meant half-good as in not very good, but not quite bad


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 25, 2014, 03:11:13 PM
Here's one that I found out recently is an unpopular opinion:

I believe that the best tracks off Still Cruisin' hands down is the title track and Make It Big!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: zatch on January 25, 2014, 08:56:24 PM
Here's one that I found out recently is an unpopular opinion:

I believe that the best tracks off Still Cruisin' hands down is the title track and Make It Big!

It's one of the cheesiest songs ever and I know I'm really not supposed to like it, but...I really agree with you on Make It Big. Melodically, I think it's really good.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 25, 2014, 09:07:00 PM
Here's one that I found out recently is an unpopular opinion:

I believe that the best tracks off Still Cruisin' hands down is the title track and Make It Big!

It's one of the cheesiest songs ever and I know I'm really not supposed to like it, but...I really agree with you on Make It Big. Melodically, I think it's really good.

Lyrically it's not the best, but lyrics aren't too important for me. The music itself rules!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: wantsomecorn on January 25, 2014, 09:58:49 PM
I like Jeff's vocal on "Why Do Fools Fall in Love" more than Brian's.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Myk Luhv on January 26, 2014, 07:53:27 AM
I'm not sure quite how unpopular an opinion this will be but I think The Beach Boys should have released more non-album singles and EPs. I suppose this was more of a British thing at the time (and probably still is) but I think it's a smart idea. I think with non-album singles and EPs, you're provided a bit more freedom to experiment with styles and sounds, and it wouldn't come at the cost of possibly having an entire album sell poorly. Perhaps if The Beach Boys had went this route more, they could have worked something out amongst each other to release more Wilson brothers, particularly Dennis, songs later on? Or you would see many more releases like Mt. Vernon and Fairway from Brian during a period when his creativity was in question (but is documented as being rather productive even if mostly unreleased and in the vaults).


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on January 27, 2014, 01:47:22 AM
It's possible it's going over my head but thematically the whole journey across America thing never clicked with me either.  Maybe this is part is one of the results of it being unfinished?  Maybe it's scatterbrained?  I could be missing something from the "finished" album that Brian presented in 2004, but I could never bring myself to really listen to this in it's entirely (another unpopular opinion here maybe?)

I think it's the best music Brian's composed, but at the very least an ambiguous work in terms of structure/ideas

Yeah, the album as a whole suffers from inconsistent conception. Actually that's why it never even became an album as a whole. Maybe they should have stuck with the title "Dumb Angel".


Another unpopular opinion of mine: While I agree that "Prayer" is a fantastic majestic track, it's a terrible opener for an album called "SMiLE", especially with that funny album cover with the drawing of a SMiLE store.

There's a lot of quality material you'd have to lop off if you went by that. Smile isn't such a simple album/set of material.

I told you this was an unpopular opinion of mine! :)

Where did I say Smile was "a simple album/set of material"? I said "Prayer" was not the right opener for that album cover. "You're Welcome" would work better at that spot. Or just H&V right away.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: CenturyDeprived on January 27, 2014, 02:28:54 AM
Here's one that I found out recently is an unpopular opinion:

I believe that the best tracks off Still Cruisin' hands down is the title track and Make It Big!

I loooove "Make It Big".

Damn those who think it's too cheesy, I honestly find it inspirational (albeit with some awkward moments like the Johnny B. Goode lyric), but Carl's vocal saves it and takes it to another level.  Not to mention Brian and Mike's vocal interplay on the tag is a seriously great moment - no foolin'.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on January 27, 2014, 02:54:49 AM
Not to mention Brian and Mike's vocal interplay on the tag is a seriously great moment - no foolin'.
I've been saying exactly the same thing in various topics; that tag is one of the unforgettable moments in the whole BBs canon. Most notably Brian's achingly beautiful wailing.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on January 27, 2014, 03:04:25 AM
The synth sound however is quite forgettable... ::)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: CenturyDeprived on January 27, 2014, 03:08:05 AM
Not to mention Brian and Mike's vocal interplay on the tag is a seriously great moment - no foolin'.
I've been saying exactly the same thing in various topics; that tag is one of the unforgettable moments in the whole BBs canon. Most notably Brian's achingly beautiful wailing.

+1


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 27, 2014, 03:09:55 AM
Glad to see there's people around here who love Make It Big as much as I do!

I was quite shocked to see a lot of negative reviews for that song around here.

And I love the synth on this BTW!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 28, 2014, 03:24:49 PM
Don't really like the Little Deuce Coupe album. It's their weakest early album along with Party!, hands down  :bow

I'm not the Baby Blue fanatic that a lot of people are, give me Love Surrounds Me over Baby Blue anyday!
I'm also not the Where I Belong fanatic that a lot of people are. It's a brilliant song, but there are a few others I prefer from the 85 album.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on January 28, 2014, 10:17:13 PM
Despite containing a handful of their best ever songs Smile suffers from too many pointless snippets of old standards and ditties and endless reruns of the same musical motif to even rank in The Beach Boys top 5 albums. Also unless the songs are grouped together in the BWPS format, there is zero thematic value to the lyrics - just Van Dyke in love with his 'intellect'. So much pretentious rubbish has been said/written about what is still in essence a pop album.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: phirnis on January 28, 2014, 10:42:41 PM
I like the song Island Fever, can't help it.

Some of Brian's solo stuff hasn't aged well, to me it sounds a bit like "Brian the Musical" (except for BW88, which is a good pop album in its own right despite its flaws).

I think 20/20 is one of the most compellingly strange records in all of pop and it should be regarded a classic.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on January 29, 2014, 12:45:17 AM
Despite containing a handful of their best ever songs Smile suffers from too many pointless snippets of old standards and ditties and endless reruns of the same musical motif to even rank in The Beach Boys top 5 albums.

As SMiLE hasn't been finished in its day, we don't know how much of that would have made it to the final version. Look at GV, most of the recordings were left unused! :) Still I think I would prefer Today! and Pet Sounds over SMiLE had it been finished.


Also unless the songs are grouped together in the BWPS format, there is zero thematic value to the lyrics - just Van Dyke in love with his 'intellect'.

While CIFOTM works great in the suite, it's a bit meager as a song of its own.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Myk Luhv on January 29, 2014, 04:25:13 PM
I think Brian Wilson has been and is more than capable of being a good lyricist. I actually think this aspect of his songwriting gets unfairly overlooked sometimes! He probably could not do Van Dyke Parks's complex, densely poetic lyrics... but that's fine since I don't think that's his inclination anyway. (And if you can, my man, I'm sorry to assume otherwise!) He's more than capable of matching any of his other collaborators, however, and I think he has a very good idea of how to express everyday sentiments in ways that are off-kilter and a little weird but not jarringly unfamiliar. I think that is some of why he gets compared to those considered to be a part of the "Great American Songbook": He takes seriously the ubiquitous and commonplace yet unlike, say, Porter or the Gershwins (and closer to Foster), Brian Wilson did not make poetic his feelings or observations -- they're very folk, in the sense of being unrefined. (Naturally, this dovetails very nicely with the musical emphasis on rock'n'roll, and is given an interesting twist with the glaringly sophisticated vocal arrangements.) This is why I think Brian Wilson is heralded, quite rightly, as a brilliant pop songwriter.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Freddie French-Pounce on January 29, 2014, 04:59:05 PM
I've said it once, I've said it 100 times

I hate Surfer Girl


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: CenturyDeprived on January 29, 2014, 05:13:54 PM
I think Brian Wilson has been and is more than capable of being a good lyricist. I actually think this aspect of his songwriting gets unfairly overlooked sometimes! He probably could not do Van Dyke Parks's complex, densely poetic lyrics... but that's fine since I don't think that's his inclination anyway. (And if you can, my man, I'm sorry to assume otherwise!) He's more than capable of matching any of his other collaborators, however, and I think he has a very good idea of how to express everyday sentiments in ways that are off-kilter and a little weird but not jarringly unfamiliar. I think that is some of why he gets compared to those considered to be a part of the "Great American Songbook": He takes seriously the ubiquitous and commonplace yet unlike, say, Porter or the Gershwins (and closer to Foster), Brian Wilson did not make poetic his feelings or observations -- they're very folk, in the sense of being unrefined. (Naturally, this dovetails very nicely with the musical emphasis on rock'n'roll, and is given an interesting twist with the glaringly sophisticated vocal arrangements.) This is why I think Brian Wilson is heralded, quite rightly, as a brilliant pop songwriter.

I happen to like a good deal of Brian’s lyrics, though he’s had his share of really bad ones too. I agree that this aspect gets often overlooked.

I recently came across this article (linking childhood abuse and a later decline in vocabulary) and couldn’t help wondering if both Brian (and Dennis)’s abuse at the hands of Murry could have helped deflate both their confidence and competence as lyricists.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/oct/21/science/la-sci-sn-spanking-study-20131021

Obviously as we have witnessed for years, Brian’s ability to create has largely hinged on his self-confidence level (or lack thereof). It stands to reason, IMO, that if he’d been encouraged more or had more confidence in his writing abilities, that he’d have written more lyrics himself. That being said, most of both Brian’s and Dennis’ collaborators often brought interesting outside angles to their songs.

One question I've never really considered, is: in the early (pre Pet Sounds days), what did Brian's bandmates think of Brian's own lyrics? Did they encourage/discourage him from writing the band's lyrics?



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: retrokid67 on January 30, 2014, 02:16:15 PM
I hate to say it but I don't like Carl's "oh oh oh's" when they sing Forever live  :-\ ( I like Brian's way better)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 30, 2014, 08:16:09 PM
This might be an unpopular opinion due to the all the love for Love You and to an extent TWGMTR, but give me CATP and Holland over every single album they made after Chaplin/Fataar left!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: zatch on January 30, 2014, 09:35:34 PM
Here's one that I found out recently is an unpopular opinion:

I believe that the best tracks off Still Cruisin' hands down is the title track and Make It Big!

I loooove "Make It Big".

Damn those who think it's too cheesy, I honestly find it inspirational (albeit with some awkward moments like the Johnny B. Goode lyric), but Carl's vocal saves it and takes it to another level.  Not to mention Brian and Mike's vocal interplay on the tag is a seriously great moment - no foolin'.

Just to clarify, I think it's incredibly cheesy (though the production probably contributes to that) but still really like it. Carl's vocal is also amazing, like you said. I've found myself warming up to the Still Cruisin' album as a whole in the last couple weeks, actually. Still really dislike the the title track, but I think everything else is pretty good to fantastic (in the case of Make It Big and parts of In My Car).


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: G.C on January 31, 2014, 01:28:06 PM
Brian Wilson is fat.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Alan Smith on January 31, 2014, 02:14:39 PM
I've said it once, I've said it 100 times

I hate Surfer Girl

 :o :o :o
Are you sure that's not just a side effect of your Noodles and Lemonade lifestyle?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gertie J. on January 31, 2014, 04:26:47 PM
Brian Wilson is fat.

nah his pudgy


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on January 31, 2014, 06:05:13 PM
I wish "The Trader" didn't start with Carl's son, Jonah, saying, "Hi". The song is in Carl's Top 5 best, it's an artistic effort, the "Hi" does not fit in any way with the mood of the song.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: beacharg on January 31, 2014, 06:20:14 PM
I've said it once, I've said it 100 times

I hate Surfer Girl

 :o

Well THIS is unpopular.
I almost cried when i read it. Surfer Girl is probably one the most beautiful song EVER recorded, it is perfect vocally, melodicaly, structurally,...
And hey... it's Brian's favourite BBs song!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on January 31, 2014, 06:29:05 PM
I've said it once, I've said it 100 times

I hate Surfer Girl

 :o

Well THIS is unpopular.
I almost cried when i read it. Surfer Girl is probably one the most beautiful song EVER recorded, it is perfect vocally, melodicaly, structurally,...
And hey... it's Brian's favourite BBs song!

Agreed 100%. Give Me Surfer Girl over In My Room anyday!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: zatch on January 31, 2014, 06:50:18 PM
I've said it once, I've said it 100 times

I hate Surfer Girl

 :o

Well THIS is unpopular.
I almost cried when i read it. Surfer Girl is probably one the most beautiful song EVER recorded, it is perfect vocally, melodicaly, structurally,...
And hey... it's Brian's favourite BBs song!

Although, hey, so is California Girls... and God Only Knows... and Good Vibrations... the list goes on. ;D

Though I love Surfer Girl as well. One of the first songs I got into when I was new to The Beach Boys.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Blue2013 on February 01, 2014, 06:16:54 PM
Here is a doozy, I think 15 Big Ones was a good album
But not a great one,


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Blue2013 on February 01, 2014, 06:20:05 PM
While Surfer Girl isn't by any means a bad song, it is probably their most overrated among both the fans and the band.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on February 01, 2014, 07:52:44 PM
Here is a doozy, I think 15 Big Ones was a good album
But not a great one,

Let's see, in terms of decent songs, It's got Palisades Park, Just Once In My Life.....................................

You're right, that is an unpopular opinion  ;D

While Surfer Girl isn't by any means a bad song, it is probably their most overrated among both the fans and the band.

Going to have to disagree. I don't think it's overrated at all.
Fun, Fun, Fun is the Beach Boy's most overrated song, hands down!  :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow
Runner-ups include 409, Shut Down, Little Deuce Coupe, Catch A Wave (oh ESPECIALLY Catch A Wave), Girls On The Beach, Dance Dance Dance, Barbara Ann (to the General Public, us Hardcore Fans know it sucks), Busy Doin' Nothin', I Went To Sleep, Time To Get Alone (those 3 I just mentioned are insufferably boring), Do It Again, 4th Of July, Marcella, Rock And Roll Music, It's OK, Had To Phone Ya, Come Go With Me, Goin' On, Male Ego, Kokomo (Once again, to the General Public), Isn't It Time, etc.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Ebb and Flow on February 01, 2014, 08:28:23 PM


Going to have to disagree. I don't think it's overrated at all.
Fun, Fun, Fun is the Beach Boy's most overrated song, hands down!  :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow
Runner-ups include 409, Shut Down, Little Deuce Coupe, Catch A Wave (oh ESPECIALLY Catch A Wave), Girls On The Beach, Dance Dance Dance, Busy Doin' Nothin', I Went To Sleep, Time To Get Alone, Do It Again, Marcella, Had To Phone Ya, Goin' On

::) You might as well just post "Brian Wilson is overrated" and be done with it.



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on February 01, 2014, 08:36:11 PM


Going to have to disagree. I don't think it's overrated at all.
Fun, Fun, Fun is the Beach Boy's most overrated song, hands down!  :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow
Runner-ups include 409, Shut Down, Little Deuce Coupe, Catch A Wave (oh ESPECIALLY Catch A Wave), Girls On The Beach, Dance Dance Dance, Busy Doin' Nothin', I Went To Sleep, Time To Get Alone, Do It Again, Marcella, Had To Phone Ya, Goin' On

::) You might as well just post "Brian Wilson is overrated" and be done with it.



But he isn't...


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Ebb and Flow on February 01, 2014, 08:47:12 PM
Is that really that much of a stretch for me to say that you prefer the Brother era when Brian was not very involved in the group than to when he was in complete control?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on February 01, 2014, 09:13:59 PM
Is that really that much of a stretch for me to say that you prefer the Brother era when Brian was not very involved in the group than to when he was in complete control?

In a way, yes. In a way, no.

Don't forget the Brother era also spawned the horrible 15 Big Ones.
My favourite era of the BB's is the 66-73 era, which includes Brian's masterpieces. And though you may think I find Brian overrated, the truth could not be more different.
Here's some of the songs I really like from him:
Surfin' Safari, Cuckoo Clock, Surfin' USA, Farmer's Daughter, Lonely Sea, Surfer Girl, In My Room, Hawaii, Your Summer Dream, Be True To Your School, The Warmth Of The Sun, Don't Worry Baby, Keep An Eye On Summer, All Summer Long, I Get Around, Wendy, We'll Run Away, Little Saint Nick, Please Let Me Wonder, In The Back Of My Mind, Let Him Run Wild, California Girls, Help Me Rhonda (Though I do much prefer the 70's bluesier live version), Girl Don't Tell Me, Summer Means New Love, The Little Girl I Once Knew, You Still Believe In Me, Don't Talk, Let's Go Away For A While, God Only Knows, I Just Wasn't Made For These Times, Pet Sounds, Caroline No, Good Vibrations, Heroes And Villains, Do You Like Worms?, Cabinessence, Surf's Up, The Elements: Fire, Vegetables, Gettin' Hungry, Wild Honey, Darlin', Here Comes The Night, Friends, Wake The World, Passing By, Break Away, This Whole World, Add Some Music To Your Day, A Day In The Life Of A Tree, 'Til I Die, You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone, Sail On Sailor, Just Once In My Life, Mona, Johnny Carson, Good Time, Honkin' Down The Highway, Ding Dang, Solar System, I'll Bet His Nice, I Want To Pick You Up, Airplane, Pitter Patter, My Diane, Match Point Of Our Love, Good Timin', Getcha Back, Crack At Your Love, I'm So Lonely, Rock And Roll To The Rescue, That's Why God Made The Radio, From There To Back Again, Summer's Gone, etc.
Also, I consider his debut solo album to be the second-best by any BB's member.

I am in no way a Brianista, and am not the Brian fanatic that a lot of people are around here, but In no way do I consider him overrated. He created one of the best albums of all-time and it was him that got me into the BB's. And while I do prefer the post-Pet Sounds pre-15 Big Ones work over the pre-Pet Sounds work, that doesn't mean I think of him as overrated. It's just my own personal taste!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Ebb and Flow on February 01, 2014, 10:01:50 PM
Is that really that much of a stretch for me to say that you prefer the Brother era when Brian was not very involved in the group than to when he was in complete control?

In a way, yes. In a way, no.

Don't forget the Brother era also spawned the horrible 15 Big Ones.
My favourite era of the BB's is the 66-73 era, which includes Brian's masterpieces. And though you may think I find Brian overrated, the truth could not be more different.
Here's some of the songs I really like from him:
snip
I am in no way a Brianista, and am not the Brian fanatic that a lot of people are around here, but In no way do I consider him overrated. He created one of the best albums of all-time and it was him that got me into the BB's. And while I do prefer the post-Pet Sounds pre-15 Big Ones work over the pre-Pet Sounds work, that doesn't mean I think of him as overrated. It's just my own personal taste!

While it's reassuring that you do like a lot of Brian's songs, I still think your taste is greatly at odds with what the Beach Boys were and are to many people.  I guess it's hard for me to wrap my head around someone who hates Shut Down, Dance Dance Dance, Busy Doin Nothin' AND Marcella simultaneously.

I guess I'm also tired of the word "overrated" used as some sort of criticism.  Overrated by whom, compared to what?  It's such a vague, meaningless term...devoid of any depth.  If you're going to assault the most-well known or acclaimed songs in the BB canon on this board ad nauseam, that's fine...but it would be nice if you could at least provide some insight as to why they're not as good as we think they are.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on February 01, 2014, 10:20:11 PM
Is that really that much of a stretch for me to say that you prefer the Brother era when Brian was not very involved in the group than to when he was in complete control?

In a way, yes. In a way, no.

Don't forget the Brother era also spawned the horrible 15 Big Ones.
My favourite era of the BB's is the 66-73 era, which includes Brian's masterpieces. And though you may think I find Brian overrated, the truth could not be more different.
Here's some of the songs I really like from him:
snip
I am in no way a Brianista, and am not the Brian fanatic that a lot of people are around here, but In no way do I consider him overrated. He created one of the best albums of all-time and it was him that got me into the BB's. And while I do prefer the post-Pet Sounds pre-15 Big Ones work over the pre-Pet Sounds work, that doesn't mean I think of him as overrated. It's just my own personal taste!

While it's reassuring that you do like a lot of Brian's songs, I still think your taste is greatly at odds with what the Beach Boys were and are to many people.  I guess it's hard for me to wrap my head around someone who hates Shut Down, Dance Dance Dance, Busy Doin Nothin' AND Marcella simultaneously.

I guess I'm also tired of the word "overrated" used as some sort of criticism.  Overrated by whom, compared to what?  It's such a vague, meaningless term...devoid of any depth.  If you're going to assault the most-well known or acclaimed songs in the BB canon on this board ad nauseam, that's fine...but it would be nice if you could at least provide some insight as to why they're not as good as we think they are.

I don't hate any of those songs you mentioned, I just don't think they're as good as other people say they are.

When I said Fun, Fun, Fun is overrated, it's because it's one of their most famous songs, and that's something I simply never understood as I've literally never liked it. I guess it's a matter of different tastes


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Woodstock on February 01, 2014, 10:28:07 PM
I guess I'm also tired of the word "overrated" used as some sort of criticism.  Overrated by whom, compared to what?  It's such a vague, meaningless term...devoid of any depth.  If you're going to assault the most-well known or acclaimed songs in the BB canon on this board ad nauseam, that's fine...but it would be nice if you could at least provide some insight as to why they're not as good as we think they are.

Agree with you here. When you're talking about not so well known songs in the band's back catalouge, how can you say that, for example, Winter Symphony is overrated? Just because I might not like it while other do does not mean it's overrated. It's stupid to think like that. Makes more sense to say things like "Knockin' on Heavens Door" is overrated, cuz its a radio monster that everyone seems to love. Busy Doin' Nothing overrated? Nuh uh. How many non-hardcore BB fans know that song?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Blue2013 on February 01, 2014, 10:33:53 PM
I guess I'm also tired of the word "overrated" used as some sort of criticism.  Overrated by whom, compared to what?  It's such a vague, meaningless term...devoid of any depth.  If you're going to assault the most-well known or acclaimed songs in the BB canon on this board ad nauseam, that's fine...but it would be nice if you could at least provide some insight as to why they're not as good as we think they are.

Agree with you here. When you're talking about not so well known songs in the band's back catalouge, how can you say that, for example, Winter Symphony is overrated? Just because I might not like it while other do does not mean it's overrated. It's stupid to think like that. Makes more sense to say things like "Knockin' on Heavens Door" is overrated, cuz its a radio monster that everyone seems to love. Busy Doin' Nothing overrated? Nuh uh. How many non-hardcore BB fans know that song?

Which is why you say the song is overrated by the fans.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Woodstock on February 01, 2014, 10:36:18 PM
But seeing a couple members voicing their opinions on a song does not equate to a song being overrated by the fans. It means that while some fans like the song.
The point is, saying something is overrated just generally doesn't mean much when dealing with songs like these.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Ebb and Flow on February 01, 2014, 10:58:59 PM
I don't hate any of those songs you mentioned, I just don't think they're as good as other people say they are.

Why?  

Does the word "overrated" mean that you only sort-of like them?

Quote
When I said Fun, Fun, Fun is overrated, it's because it's one of their most famous songs, and that's something I simply never understood as I've literally never liked it. I guess it's a matter of different tastes

Five reasons why I like Fun, Fun, Fun

1. One of the best guitar intros/licks that Carl Wilson ever recorded and IMO expands on the Chuck Berry influence and transforms it into something far greater.  Fender guitar heaven
2. It's a great story song with some clever wordplay and imagery.  Love the change from "she'll have Fun, Fun, Fun" to "we'll have Fun, Fun, Fun".
3. Production-wise one of Brian's best "fast songs" and a clear sign of changing form and sophistication in the wake of expanded wrecking crew involvement.  Like an artist adding more colors to his pallete.  The horns in particular that were always a bit buried in the mix but revealed in the new stereo mix on MIC are great.
4. Brian's wordless falsetto in the tag is one of the best vocals he ever recorded, and the fade itself is one of their best
5. It represents California in the cultural zeitgeist better than perhaps any song they recorded, and that is probably why most people enjoy it.  It's (literally) a fun song that conjures images of sexy girls, convertibles and hamburgers.  What is there not to enjoy about it?

I think if you explained why you didn't like songs in a similar manner it would offer more for others to discuss than just using vague descriptors like "overrated", "slow" or "boring".  Just my opinion.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on February 01, 2014, 11:03:24 PM
I don't hate any of those songs you mentioned, I just don't think they're as good as other people say they are.

Why?  

Does the word "overrated" mean that you only sort-of like them?

Quote
When I said Fun, Fun, Fun is overrated, it's because it's one of their most famous songs, and that's something I simply never understood as I've literally never liked it. I guess it's a matter of different tastes

Five reasons why I like Fun, Fun, Fun

1. One of the best guitar intros/licks that Carl Wilson ever recorded and IMO expands on the Chuck Berry influence and transforms it into something far greater.  Fender guitar heaven
1. It's a great story song with some clever wordplay and imagery.  Love the change from "she'll have Fun, Fun, Fun" to "we'll have Fun, Fun, Fun".
3. Production-wise one of Brian's best "fast songs" and a clear sign of changing form and sophistication in the wake of expanded wrecking crew involvement.  Like an artist adding more colors to his pallete.  The horns in particular that were always a bit buried in the mix but revealed in the new stereo mix on MIC are great.
4. Brian's wordless falsetto in the tag is one of the best vocals he ever recorded, and the fade itself is one of their best
5. It represents California in the cultural zeitgeist better than perhaps any song they recorded, and that is probably why most people enjoy it.  It's (literally) a fun song that conjures images of sexy girls, convertibles and hamburgers.  What is there not to enjoy about it?

I think if you explained why you didn't like songs in a similar manner it would offer more for others to discuss than just using vague descriptors like "overrated", "slow" or "boring".  Just my opinion.

I meant I don't hate those songs, but I don't like them. The only BB's songs I really hate would be Sumahama, California Calling and Summer Of Love. All the others I dislike I don't actually hate.

As for Fun, Fun, Fun, I just simply never liked it. There's just something about that song which is unbearable for me. Like I remember the first time I heard that song, which was at a 50's diner. It put me off the BB's for a while. I don't have to like every hit song they had.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Ebb and Flow on February 01, 2014, 11:19:25 PM
As for Fun, Fun, Fun, I just simply never liked it. There's just something about that song which is unbearable for me. Like I remember the first time I heard that song, which was at a 50's diner. It put me off the BB's for a while. I don't have to like every hit song they had.

You certainly don't, but I don't see what the point of trying to continually convince others it's a bad or "overrated" song, especially if you won't even go into why you don't like it in any greater detail.  In terms of discussion it's a non-starter.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on February 01, 2014, 11:25:12 PM
As for Fun, Fun, Fun, I just simply never liked it. There's just something about that song which is unbearable for me. Like I remember the first time I heard that song, which was at a 50's diner. It put me off the BB's for a while. I don't have to like every hit song they had.

You certainly don't, but I don't see what the point of trying to continually convince others it's a bad or "overrated" song, especially if you won't even go into why you don't like it in any greater detail.  In terms of discussion it's a non-starter.

I wasn't trying to convince anyone. I was just stating my opinion


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: donald on February 01, 2014, 11:41:05 PM
The Beach Boys 85 is a good album.  SBILA, The CW Rockers, Brian's  I'm so Lonely , alone make it  their best output from LA until TWGMTR, as a single studio .


I don't listen to POB.     just always find BB material I'd rather hear


Joe Thomas has been a positive for BW and the Beach Boys, all things considered.

I like Jack Rieley songs.

Vocals on the song Wild Honey  leave me cold.  Even CW.









Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Esoteric on February 01, 2014, 11:44:57 PM
I think that "California Saga" sucks and drags the Holland album down a major notch. The Fairytale sucks too. Everything else is great including "We Got Love" (which should have been on there!) and especially "The Trader". "Only With You" has a beautiful yet understated string arrangement. The middle part of "Leaving This Town" (synth solo) reminds me of early 70's Pink Floyd in a way (and that is a good thing). Actually Holland is kind of a boring album that although is considered one of their finer albums pales in comparison to the previous album (So Tough) where every song is excellent.

How is that for an unpopular opinion?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on February 01, 2014, 11:51:55 PM
The Beach Boys 85 is a good album.  SBILA, The CW Rockers, Brian's  I'm so Lonely , alone make it  their best output from LA until TWGMTR, as a single studio.
I like Jack Rieley songs.

Totally agree, especially the first part  :)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on February 02, 2014, 11:32:12 AM
I think that "California Saga" sucks and drags the Holland album down a major notch. The Fairytale sucks too. Everything else is great including "We Got Love" (which should have been on there!) and especially "The Trader". "Only With You" has a beautiful yet understated string arrangement. The middle part of "Leaving This Town" (synth solo) reminds me of early 70's Pink Floyd in a way (and that is a good thing). Actually Holland is kind of a boring album that although is considered one of their finer albums pales in comparison to the previous album (So Tough) where every song is excellent.

How is that for an unpopular opinion?

Oddly enough, the Big Sur part of Saga popped up on shuffle today; I hadn't heard it for sometime and was reminded again what a great song I think it is. I love the whole Holland album, including the Fairytale which I consider Brian's last gasp of true genius.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: lee on February 02, 2014, 12:28:02 PM
Fun, Fun, Fun and Surfin' USA are two of my least favorite BB songs.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Blue2013 on February 02, 2014, 12:51:52 PM
As for Fun, Fun, Fun, I just simply never liked it. There's just something about that song which is unbearable for me. Like I remember the first time I heard that song, which was at a 50's diner. It put me off the BB's for a while. I don't have to like every hit song they had.

You certainly don't, but I don't see what the point of trying to continually convince others it's a bad or "overrated" song, especially if you won't even go into why you don't like it in any greater detail.  In terms of discussion it's a non-starter.

I wasn't trying to convince anyone. I was just stating my opinion

Hey, here's another unpopular opinion. People can like what they like, it doesn't really matter.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Fall Breaks on February 02, 2014, 01:12:18 PM
I like the Yarrows' version of "Surfer Girl" better than the Beach Boys'.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on February 02, 2014, 02:21:42 PM
As for Fun, Fun, Fun, I just simply never liked it. There's just something about that song which is unbearable for me. Like I remember the first time I heard that song, which was at a 50's diner. It put me off the BB's for a while. I don't have to like every hit song they had.

You certainly don't, but I don't see what the point of trying to continually convince others it's a bad or "overrated" song, especially if you won't even go into why you don't like it in any greater detail.  In terms of discussion it's a non-starter.

I wasn't trying to convince anyone. I was just stating my opinion

Hey, here's another unpopular opinion. People can like what they like, it doesn't really matter.

Agreed


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Cyncie on February 02, 2014, 07:22:31 PM



I don't listen to POB.     just always find BB material I'd rather hear


Joe Thomas has been a positive for BW and the Beach Boys, all things considered.


Vocals on the song Wild Honey  leave me cold.  Even CW.



Finally, I'm not alone!

Dennis is Ok. But, that's it for me. No big revelation compared to the full group.

Hate auto tune all you want, but, at least for now, Brian needs Joe Thomas. Without him, no C50, no TWGMTR. I wouldn't have wanted to miss that.

Wild Honey makes me hurt. I hear Carl's vocal cords shredding into a bloody pulp,  and that's not a good thing.

************

Now, for my own unpopular opinions:

The early stuff is good stuff. So what if it's about cars, and surfing and girls? Having fun is a part of life that is just as important as agonizing over lost love. Some people just need to get out on a sunny day, drop the top on a convertible, pop those tunes in, and cruise along the ocean/lake/river. It's freeing. Really.

Carl's voice is great, but, for me, it's not the best in the band. Brian's is. Brian had a pure, clear tone, especially in his falsetto. Carl started that way, but began to overlay some vibrato as he took on more solos, and I sometimes find that distracting.

I really don't like Al's attempts at Brian's falsetto parts.

The Beach Boys never became irrelevant. They survived when other bands from the period died. The focus of their relevance changed, but they continue to have relevance to this day. Otherwise, we wouldn't be here talking about them.

Oh, and Barbara Ann is fun.






Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: The Dumb Angel on February 02, 2014, 08:29:06 PM
The musical sections from Mount Vernon and Fairway/'Fairy Tale Music' is the greatest thing Brian has ever done. I think it would have been his greatest musical feat if, instead of making a 10 minute fairytale, he created a whole album out of the songs from Mount Vernon (as well as other songs he had written at the time.)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Pretty Funky on February 02, 2014, 08:39:14 PM
Oh yeah. There is some damn fine snippets in that piece. Has there ever been a version without the narrative?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: The Dumb Angel on February 02, 2014, 08:41:11 PM
Oh yeah. There is some damn fine snippets in that piece. Has there ever been a version without the narrative?
Here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ0hrRM4B4Q


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gabo on February 02, 2014, 11:25:25 PM
I think that "California Saga" sucks and drags the Holland album down a major notch. The Fairytale sucks too. Everything else is great including "We Got Love" (which should have been on there!) and especially "The Trader". "Only With You" has a beautiful yet understated string arrangement. The middle part of "Leaving This Town" (synth solo) reminds me of early 70's Pink Floyd in a way (and that is a good thing). Actually Holland is kind of a boring album that although is considered one of their finer albums pales in comparison to the previous album (So Tough) where every song is excellent.

How is that for an unpopular opinion?

Oddly enough, the Big Sur part of Saga popped up on shuffle today; I hadn't heard it for sometime and was reminded again what a great song I think it is. I love the whole Holland album, including the Fairytale which I consider Brian's last gasp of true genius.

Even if Love You isn't true genius, it's at least great pop music. Superb melodies.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Pretty Funky on February 02, 2014, 11:26:21 PM
Oh yeah. There is some damn fine snippets in that piece. Has there ever been a version without the narrative?
Here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ0hrRM4B4Q

Thanks! Now in my iTunes list. ;D


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on February 03, 2014, 02:44:28 AM
Has there ever been a version without the narrative?
I honestly thought you were joking until your iTunes comment. Wow, it must've been really great to hear it for the 1st time! Not that I got tired of it, esp. wonderful, amazing, utterly charming beauty that is "Radio King Dom".


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Pretty Funky on February 03, 2014, 12:31:02 PM
Yes that was the first time. I'm not a completest by any stretch so box sets have never really been a priority. My loss I know although Spotify has been good in that respect, plus I have purchased a lot on iTunes because of that free initial exposure. A win-win!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on February 06, 2014, 06:17:05 PM
Carl Wilson was a better songwriter than Mike Love IMHO
And I've always found Carl to be one of the more boring BB's members, mainly because he was so normal  :lol

And I like Tears In The Morning. No, it's not the worst track off Sunflower!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: alf wiedersehen on February 06, 2014, 09:09:47 PM
I honestly love "Why Don't They Let Us Fall in Love?"

"A one.. a two.. a one two three four-wait... a two.. a one two three four"


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on February 08, 2014, 02:05:41 AM
I'm not sure if this is unpopular, but I'll add it anyway:

My two favourite Bruce Johnston songs are both instrumentals


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on February 09, 2014, 03:21:55 AM
And I've always found Carl to be one of the more boring BB's members, mainly because he was so normal  :lol
I wouldn't say he was boring. According to those who'd met him, Carl had a great sense of humor & was surely fun to be with, often going for deadpan style.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on February 09, 2014, 03:23:54 AM
And I've always found Carl to be one of the more boring BB's members, mainly because he was so normal  :lol
I wouldn't say he was boring. According to those who'd met him, Carl had a great sense of humor & was surely fun to be with, often going for deadpan style.

I meant that Carl isn't as fascinating or interesting as Brian or Dennis or even Mike, Bruce or David


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on February 09, 2014, 03:28:47 AM
I meant that Carl isn't as fascinating or interesting as Brian or Dennis or even Mike or Bruce
What's fascinating or interesting about the latter? Just interested to know.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on February 09, 2014, 03:30:55 AM
I meant that Carl isn't as fascinating or interesting as Brian or Dennis or even Mike or Bruce
What's fascinating or interesting about the latter? Just interested to know.

His life, and what he's been through, and the people he's worked with.

I swear if one of the BB's put out a proper autobiography, it would be Bruce's that would be the most interesting


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: WesB8302 on February 10, 2014, 01:53:33 PM
I don't post a lot here, but I'll contribute some of mine as well....

* Not a fan of a lot of Dennis' material, especially 4th of July.  Just doesn't do anything for me, too sparse.

* I actually like the BB '85 album.  It was the first CD I ever purchased. Still like to pull it out and listen occasionally.

* Ditto for Kokomo (bought the Cocktail soundtrack just to have it) and the Still Cruisin' album (wore a couple of cassette copies out!).

* I also liked all of TWGMTR.  My almost 9 year old LOVES "Beaches In Mind" and "Spring Vacation", and my two oldest (almost 9, 7) both love "Isn't It Time" and the title track.  I like 'em all!

* I don't mind '80s production on BB85, BW88, and SC.  Also don't mind the AOR sound of Imagination.

Now if you'll excuse me I'll retreat back to my corner now and await the incoming tomatoes.   ;D


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on February 10, 2014, 01:59:03 PM
I don't post a lot here, but I'll contribute some of mine as well....

* Not a fan of a lot of Dennis' material, especially 4th of July.  Just doesn't do anything for me, too sparse.

* I actually like the BB '85 album.  It was the first CD I ever purchased. Still like to pull it out and listen occasionally.

* Ditto for Kokomo (bought the Cocktail soundtrack just to have it) and the Still Cruisin' album (wore a couple of cassette copies out!).

* I also liked all of TWGMTR.  My almost 9 year old LOVES "Beaches In Mind" and "Spring Vacation", and my two oldest both love "Isn't It Time" and the title track.  I like 'em all!

* I don't mind '80s production on BB85, BW88, and SC.  Also don't mind the AOR sound of Imagination.

Now if you'll excuse me I'll retreat back to my corner now and await the incoming tomatoes.   ;D

Disagree with the Dennis part, agree with 4th Of July.
Love the '85 album. Still cannot understand it's sheer unpopularity around here!
Disagree with Kokomo, agree to an extent for the Still Cruisin' album.
To an extent, agreed with TWGMTR, Beaches In Mind and Daybreak Over The Ocean aside.
This is probably why I like those 3 albums more than most people, I seem to have a high tolerance for 80's production. On the other hand I lack tolerance for most of Today's production  :lol. So yeah, Agreed. Not too sure about Imagination as I'm not quite familiar with that album yet.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gabo on February 10, 2014, 09:15:29 PM


* I don't mind '80s production on BB85, BW88, and SC.  Also don't mind the AOR sound of Imagination.

Now if you'll excuse me I'll retreat back to my corner now and await the incoming tomatoes.   ;D

I sort of like how it was called "the greatest comeback of all time" by some guy in some documentary on Brian Wilson. IMO it's a very mediocre effort. Too many rewrites.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: phirnis on February 10, 2014, 11:54:55 PM
I don't mind BB85 and Still Cruisin' either but Imagination is a bit much, sound-wise; oh, and the cover art is downright atrocious.

That said, big fan of BW88, despite some obvious flaws. Unlike many other solo records by BB members, this one sounds quite passionate and is second only to POB in terms of solo albums.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Micha on February 10, 2014, 11:59:31 PM
On the other hand I lack tolerance for most of Today's production  :lol.

Do you mean "Today" like "present time" or "The Beach Boys Today! album"?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on February 11, 2014, 12:09:42 AM
On the other hand I lack tolerance for most of Today's production  :lol.

Do you mean "Today" like "present time" or "The Beach Boys Today! album"?

Today as in present time. The production on the Today! album is excellent, top-notch!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: chrs_mrgn on February 11, 2014, 11:00:03 PM
On the other hand I lack tolerance for most of Today's production  :lol.

Do you mean "Today" like "present time" or "The Beach Boys Today! album"?

Today as in present time. The production on the Today! album is excellent, top-notch!

I would agree with that. I would say the production on all Beach Boys material since the late 80's has been pretty bad, Brian's solo work included.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: sandmountainslim on February 12, 2014, 09:09:35 AM
Mike and Bruce should continue to tour but with a new name....perhaps "Mike Love and Bruce Johnston's Beach Review" or something similar.     Whoever made the decision to let Mike use the name after Carl Died and Al was fired made a bad call probably based on greed.   The only time Beach Boys should be used is if it's the entire 2012 lineup on stage or in a studio. 


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Woodstock on February 12, 2014, 10:01:51 AM
Mike and Bruce should continue to tour but with a new name....perhaps "Mike Love and Bruce Johnston's Beach Review" or something similar.     Whoever made the decision to let Mike use the name after Carl Died and Al was fired made a bad call probably based on greed.   The only time Beach Boys should be used is if it's the entire 2012 lineup on stage or in a studio.  

I think they should tour under the name "Totten and Nasty Business." It makes a lot of sense really. I'd like him as a front man.

(http://i.imgur.com/YaHrPFZ.png)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Blue2013 on March 02, 2014, 02:47:37 AM
Problem Child is not half bad. It sounds a bit like Walking On Sunshine and is better than Summer In Paradise.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on March 02, 2014, 03:35:50 AM
I find myself listening to Surfin' Safari more than Surfin' USA (I'm talking about the albums, not the title tracks. Though the same thing would apply to that as well).

WIBNTLA IMHO is a much better song than Breakaway.

I'm not sure if this is an unpopular opinion, but Al is my favourite Beach Boy that isn't a Wilson Brother.

Looking Back With Love is worse than Going Public. Much worse. Not even a contest.





Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Dancing Bear on March 02, 2014, 04:47:41 AM
Breakaway doesn't work as a single AT ALL. It wouldn't be a hit in 1965, 1976 or 1969. Great track though.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Moon Dawg on March 02, 2014, 09:50:19 AM
Breakaway doesn't work as a single AT ALL. It wouldn't be a hit in 1965, 1976 or 1969. Great track though.

  It was a hit in the U.K. and elsewhere. #10 or # 6.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RiC on March 03, 2014, 02:02:02 AM

Looking Back With Love is worse than Going Public. Much worse. Not even a contest.


Haven't heard Going Pubic, but Looking Back With Love is a masterpiece in it's own universe where nothing else exists.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on March 03, 2014, 03:38:50 AM
Looking Back With Love is a masterpiece in it's own universe where nothing else exists.
Is it? You must have written out 2 members of the board who are avid fans of this album - Juice Bronston & SIP Mike. I'm still in amazement of their taste but, well, it's their right to like what they like.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RiC on March 03, 2014, 04:40:17 AM
Looking Back With Love is a masterpiece in it's own universe where nothing else exists.
Is it? You must have written out 2 members of the board who are avid fans of this album - Juice Bronston & SIP Mike. I'm still in amazement of their taste but, well, it's their right to like what they like.
Seriously, I'd give it a 2,5/5 rating. It's really not that bad. It's laughably funny and that's why it's good. Plus there are couple songs that are actually good.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: The Heartical Don on March 03, 2014, 04:48:41 AM


* I don't mind '80s production on BB85, BW88, and SC.  Also don't mind the AOR sound of Imagination.

Now if you'll excuse me I'll retreat back to my corner now and await the incoming tomatoes.   ;D

I sort of like how it was called "the greatest comeback of all time" by some guy in some documentary on Brian Wilson. IMO it's a very mediocre effort. Too many rewrites.

If you're talking the 1988 comeback: I think it suffers from what were the 'production values' of the '80s. Many albums share that affliction.

That said: it had great songs and mediocre ones, that just won't stay in one's mind, not memorable enough. The album was hailed as a superb comeback showcase, because we all wanted it to be that, desperately so. The story about BW having climbed out of a potentially lethal situation was so good, so uplifting, so inspirational... there just wasn't any other option, in terms of expectation, and also in terms of judgment, once we'd heard it.

Let's not forget that 'Melt Away', 'One For The Boys', 'There's So Many' are very good (despite, as I said, the pretty lifeless, overblown production, I think Landy and Lynne controlled that mostly, with Waronker and Brian not having too much clout there). And that 'Love And Mercy' has become a true BW standard, a classic.

But 'Walking The Line', 'Let Your Hair Grow Long', 'Night Time'... quite forgettable. Not bad, not good. And not catchy.

As for me, the jury is still out (for 26 years now) on 'Rio Grande'. It is long, it is ambitious, it reminds one of 'Cabinessence' (the chants, the campfire stuff, the 'historical' feel, the modular approach); but whereas 'Cabinessence' to this listener was the result of some divine inspiration, not very self-conscious, 'Rio Grande' as a whole sounds strained, constructed, overplanned, the result of hyper-selfconsciousness, as if Landy had coaxed Brian with the words: write something in the vein of SMiLE, Brian, I know you can do it, your must overcome that hurdle and you must return to the real me you used to be!

But that is not to say that I don't like that waltzy, surf-balladry section enormously ('she's waiting for me on the other side', remember that? 'wow-wow-wow-wow-wow-wow... yay-yay-yay-yay-he-heeee'... *sigh, if only he'd reserved it for a song all of its own...*).


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on March 03, 2014, 04:52:43 AM
Plus there are couple songs that are actually good.
You mean the last downtempo songs? I suppose so because it's what most people seem to like on the album, even Mr. Doe (aka The Legendary AGD). As for me, my faves are Over & Over & Runnin' Around the World.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RiC on March 03, 2014, 05:02:37 AM
Plus there are couple songs that are actually good.
You mean the last downtempo songs? I suppose so because it's what most people seem to like on the album, even Mr. Doe (aka The Legendary AGD). As for me, my faves are Over & Over & Runnin' Around the World.
Yep, and I personally like the Be My Baby cover too.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RiC on March 03, 2014, 06:33:51 AM
This may not be that unpopular opinion, but anyway, I think that the time from Dennis' death '83 to Carl's death '98 is the most damaging and embarassing to the whole Beach Boys legacy. Beach Boys kinda died with Carl, or actually the real Beach Boys died in '83, after that it was just a tired show. It's just a huge step down from '83 to '84. And after that it just goes downhill. Mike turns into a patriotic looking idiot, they all start sound and look tired so they put half-naked girls + John Stamos fooling around the stage and think that that makes it good. It's hard to even watch those 90's shows. They are just so bad. At least Mike and Bruce are doing a lot better these days, I don't feel embarrassed watching their performances from last year for example. And I'd go see John Cowshill on drums anyday, in any band.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: shelter on March 03, 2014, 08:00:05 AM
Breakaway doesn't work as a single AT ALL. It wouldn't be a hit in 1965, 1976 or 1969. Great track though.
I really think it does work as a single and I don't understand why it wasn't a huge hit. Although it's not as upbeat lyrically, I hear the same kind of energy and drive in that song that I hear in I Get Around and Wouldn't It Be Nice.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gabo on March 03, 2014, 09:42:41 AM
Brian wasted his talent.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: shelter on March 03, 2014, 10:09:49 AM
Brian wasted his talent.

Not too sure about that. Sure, he could've remained a bit more productive a bit longer. But of all of the great pop songwriters of the 1960, how many actually did keep making really great music throughout the 1970s, let alone the 1980s? And still, we got 40 studio albums from Brian and The Beach Boys and about 25-30 of those are between pretty decent and extremely good. That's not a bad score at all.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: The Heartical Don on March 03, 2014, 10:17:04 AM
Brian wasted his talent.

Assuming this isn't some black joke -

he did not. He is an artist blessed with an enormous natural talent (and he worked very hard to shape and refine that talent). And he suffered and suffers from mental illness; he is not 'mad' or 'gaga' or 'a nutcase', as the vulgar vox pop often expresses it, to belittle and insult people like him; IMHO he has been traumatized in his youth, and later on in life he's often been approached in all of the wrongest of wrong ways by insensitive people with no natural instinct for such matters at all. Hence the mental problems - and the combination of being extremely gifted and psychiatric disease is not an unknown one; only recently I looked up the biography of John Forbes Nash, the brilliant game theorist and mathematician with a huge interest in problems that have to do with making choices (and the subject of the movie: 'A Beautiful Mind', incidentally). Nash suffered from severe schizophrenia for decades, a tragedy, he had delusions, psychotic episodes. But he also has a strong instinct for survival.

So, considering the above: Brian certainly did not waste his talent. He was dealt a certain deck of cards, a certain fate, so to speak, and IMHO he bravely fought his way through.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Adult Child on March 20, 2014, 01:41:34 PM
Bruce really annoys me these days. He just seems so faceless. Ever since I read a bit in Peter Carlin's book Catch a Wave about Bruce telling Mike in an email (paraphrasing it) "You really love doing this. It's all/only business to me", I can't look at him the same. I've tried hard, since I think besides Brian and Dennis he's the best songwriter, and a great one really, I just cringe now whenever I see him. I try to say "Oh he's only havin fun, being an old silly man", but I don't really get a fun feeling when I look at him with his shorts and his hat and the fact that he's with Mike Love while Al & David are sticking with Brian. I don't know. I really wanna like Bruce nowadays. But he just annoys me. I might write a song called "Brupublicans (1971)" to express my nostalgic feelings over the old Bruce.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SMiLE Brian on March 20, 2014, 01:59:43 PM
I might write a song called "Brupublicans (1971)" to express my nostalgic feelings over the old Bruce.
I would love a song about that.  ;D


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Adult Child on March 20, 2014, 02:09:30 PM
I might write a song called "Brupublicans (1971)" to express my nostalgic feelings over the old Bruce.
I would love a song about that.  ;D

"I got tears in the morning now
The old Bruce has gone
He sang on California Girls
He wrote the songs
Moustache or no moustache
It's all the same
But now it's all just business to him
Who's to blame?
Reality is not funny
It ain't fun fun fun
Since the old Bruce went away
And turned into this one"

I was feeling the Mike Love influence, with the whole referencing every old song I could think of  ;D


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Pretty Funky on March 20, 2014, 02:37:34 PM
When I caught the band during the C50 I was so glad the ticketing system booked my seat in front of Brian rather than Bruce. I can't explain it but watching Brian being Brian while tinkering on the piano, add backing vocals when he wanted or really have to work on his leads, was far more enjoyable than seeing Bruce do his shtick.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on March 23, 2015, 10:46:57 PM
"Hold on Dear Brother". A good R&B song, but when I heard Nat Ruess, I thought it was good at 1st, but it didn't live up 'n' now it is bad. Well, maybe not "bad" bad, but "not good" bad. Either way, it is pleasant surprise.

Besides, no love for POB. I don't even listen to few favorites.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: kookadams on March 24, 2015, 02:25:40 AM
Some people are gonna have input about the BBs thats skewed but the fact of the matter is exactly that, THE facts. That they are THE biggest selling, most influential and most crucial/important rock group in the history of American pop culture. Yeah their first couple years they adhered to a shtick with the surf/car songs but starting with In my room and on with CA Girls, the flawless albums of Surfer Girl, All Summer Long, Today, Summer Days, of course Pet Sounds....the pioneers of psychedelic rock with Smiley Smile, masterpieces like Sunflower and then definitive "prog rock" like Surfs Up and Holland. Yeah by the mid 70s their mark was pretty much solidified and then their great post-Pet Sounds works were undermined by the new age of nostalgia but its beyond crucial an influence that goes above&beyond ANYTHING! What irks me is the 'hipsters' that isolate Pet Sounds and undermine the five great albums prior and the six great albums after...if Holland had been their last album I really doubt history would be that different bur the.TRUE zealots/pundits know the truth and any/every enthusiasts of quality music will always be there to preserve their output, whether it be the content of Endless Summer or the underrated prog era.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on March 24, 2015, 09:53:00 PM
I'm gonna frequent this topic.

Almost every cover is better than authentic material
 
- "The Letter" (not even close)
- "Cindy Oh Cindy" (they did it punchier)
- "Sloop John B"
- "Seasons in the Sun"
- "Let's Go Trippin'" live (and someone questions Carl cannot rock? What with silly debates "No, Carl was a mere teenager, it can't be him on "What'd I Say"" blah blah blah ::))
- "Hot Fun in the Summertime"

etc. etc.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: mikeyj on March 24, 2015, 10:24:39 PM
I'm gonna frequent this topic.

Almost every cover is better than authentic material
 
- "The Letter" (not even close)
- "Cindy Oh Cindy" (they did it punchier)
- "Sloop John B"
- "Seasons in the Sun"
- "Let's Go Trippin'" live (and someone questions Carl cannot rock? What with silly debates "No, Carl was a mere teenager, it can't be him on "What'd I Say"" blah blah blah ::))
- "Hot Fun in the Summertime"

etc. etc.

One original that blows the Beach Boys one away is "Talk to Me" - Little Willie John's version is MILES better.

Re: "The Letter" - Joe Cocker does a much better version than both the Beach Boys and the original. Check it out if you haven't already.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on March 24, 2015, 11:09:08 PM
Re: "The Letter" - Joe Cocker does a much better version than both the Beach Boys and the original. Check it out if you haven't already.
Done - nothing special, much of it thanks to Joe's horrid singing/voice. He totally wrecked the beautiful "With a Little Help from My Friends"<< btw, we have lots of things in common with Brian<< favorite song on Sgt. Pepper being it is one of them. Cool, ain't it? :3d

"Talk to Me", I don't like the melody.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on March 25, 2015, 01:48:45 AM
Re: "The Letter" - Joe Cocker does a much better version than both the Beach Boys and the original. Check it out if you haven't already.
Done - nothing special, much of it thanks to Joe's horrid singing/voice. He totally wrecked the beautiful "With a Little Help from My Friends"<< btw, we have lots of things in common with Brian<< favorite song on Sgt. Pepper being it is one of them. Cool, ain't it? :3d

"Talk to Me", I don't like the melody.

The Box Tops version of The Letter cannot be topped. But Cocker's version of WALHFMF is brilliant.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: jcm on March 25, 2015, 10:12:07 PM
I'm not 100% convinced that Mike had a hand in writing the lyrics all of the songs he sued over in the early 1990's.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 26, 2015, 02:07:12 AM
Brian wasted his talent.

Substitute "potential" for "talent" and that might be a notion worthy of anything other than immediate dismissal. Just maybe. Brian's talent was stifled, but luckily for us he has more than the average bear.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mendota Heights on March 26, 2015, 04:46:48 AM
Mike Love should cover Sex Over The Phone by Village People.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hYtUYiuzkw


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Bittersweet-Sanity on March 26, 2015, 05:49:03 AM
Mike Love should cover Sex Over The Phone by Village People.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hYtUYiuzkw
:lol what'a random suggestion. yah Mike should cover it, & in the music video he can be calling Bruce.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Cam Mott on March 26, 2015, 06:08:47 AM
I'm not 100% convinced that Mike had a hand in writing the lyrics all of the songs he sued over in the early 1990's.

Mike did have to prove his claims in court to a preponderance of the evidence. I don't know if this is what you meant but I don't think he claimed he deserved all credit for all lyrics on the disputed songs, just some credit. Doesn't a 1990ish Goldmineish interview have Mike describing his only partial contributions to some of the disputed songs?

Edit: It was the September 18 1992 issue of Goldmine.

Also BBs scholar Brad Elliott claimed on PSML that documentation shows Mike possibly didn't always get his full credit on the undisputed songs he had been credited on. Credit for only half of the lyrics on GV I think for instance and also Tony Asher claims he wasn't fully credited for his lyrics and music either. As I'm sure you know too, Van Dyke Parks was left off of a few of songs for which he claims he deserved credit. So it seems it wasn't just Mike and it wasn't an uncommon thing to be left off of the song credit in the early years of the group and or have your due credit given later.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: jcm on March 26, 2015, 07:49:04 AM
Mike did have to prove his claims in court to a preponderance of the evidence. I don't know if this is what you meant but I don't think he claimed he deserved all credit for all lyrics on the disputed songs, just some credit. Doesn't a 1990ish Goldmineish interview have Mike describing his only partial contributions to some of the disputed songs?

Not familiar with the article but that sounds right in the timeline.

Also BBs scholar Brad Elliott claimed on PSML that documentation shows Mike possibly didn't always get his full credit on the undisputed songs he had been credited on. Credit for only half of the lyrics on GV I think for instance and also Tony Asher claims he wasn't fully credited for his lyrics and music either. As I'm sure you know too, Van Dyke Parks was left off of a few of songs for which he claims he deserved credit. So it seems it wasn't just Mike and it wasn't an uncommon thing to be left off of the song credit in the early years of the group and or have your due credit given later.

I had heard that Tony wrote lyrics that went unused for the single version.  The bulk of the lyrics on the single version that was issued in '66 were Mike's.  But the original 45 single label shows (BrianWilson-Mike Love) so I'm not sure why Mike would have disputed it.  Tony's lyrics were reincorporated into the song for BWPS.  That's my understanding, anyway.

When I made the statement I made I'm specifically thinking of a song like say..."Kiss Me, Baby".  Later re-credited as Brian Wilson-Mike Love.  Original 45 single label just says Brian Wilson.  Again, just personal opinion, but none of that song says 'Mike Love wuz here'.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Cam Mott on March 26, 2015, 08:29:35 AM
Mike did have to prove his claims in court to a preponderance of the evidence. I don't know if this is what you meant but I don't think he claimed he deserved all credit for all lyrics on the disputed songs, just some credit. Doesn't a 1990ish Goldmineish interview have Mike describing his only partial contributions to some of the disputed songs?

Not familiar with the article but that sounds right in the timeline.

Also BBs scholar Brad Elliott claimed on PSML that documentation shows Mike possibly didn't always get his full credit on the undisputed songs he had been credited on. Credit for only half of the lyrics on GV I think for instance and also Tony Asher claims he wasn't fully credited for his lyrics and music either. As I'm sure you know too, Van Dyke Parks was left off of a few of songs for which he claims he deserved credit. So it seems it wasn't just Mike and it wasn't an uncommon thing to be left off of the song credit in the early years of the group and or have your due credit given later.

I had heard that Tony wrote lyrics that went unused for the single version.  The bulk of the lyrics on the single version that was issued in '66 were Mike's.  But the original 45 single label shows (BrianWilson-Mike Love) so I'm not sure why Mike would have disputed it.  Tony's lyrics were reincorporated into the song for BWPS.  That's my understanding, anyway.

When I made the statement I made I'm specifically thinking of a song like say..."Kiss Me, Baby".  Later re-credited as Brian Wilson-Mike Love.  Original 45 single label just says Brian Wilson.  Again, just personal opinion, but none of that song says 'Mike Love wuz here'.

Edit: It was the September 18 1992 issue of Goldmine

Sorry for the confusion, I didn't mean Mike had disputed his credit on GV. I meant even though Mike and Tony got credit it wasn't as much credit as they claim they should have gotten. Ie. Tony got only half credit for lyrics across the board and Mike also only got half credit for GV which both he and Brian (I believe) have said Mike wrote all of the lyrics. As far as I know Mike did not dispute any credit he had previously been given, even if it might have been less credit than he actually deserved.

I get you on KMB and I suppose I'm just expressing my unpopular Beach Boys opinion too but Mike did have to present evidence in court for his claim(s) on KMB and he didn't necessarily claim he wrote all of the lyrics.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on March 27, 2015, 05:15:11 AM
The Box Tops version of The Letter cannot be topped. But Cocker's version of WALHFMF is brilliant.
Oh, of course it can. :police: I sure don't hold an old-school 'classic' opinion that "original is always better than any cover". Nope, it isn't. As for "Little Help", I loathe Joe Cocker's voice, thus, anything he sings is mega-bad by default.

Recently heard "Oh Darlin'" with Brian on lead - totes superior than KTSA. It has slight melodic difference on the bridge, which sounds really good. Never much cared for that Carl/Mike/Bruce trio kitsch.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: kookadams on March 27, 2015, 08:40:49 PM
Think about this- there isnt a single other group in the past half century with two dozen albums, half of em being quintessential classics, two dozen hit singles thatre known worldwide...even the beatles only had less than a dozen albums and songs that are all in just a six yr period.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: wantsomecorn on March 27, 2015, 10:08:04 PM
Think about this- there isnt a single other group in the past half century with two dozen albums, half of em being quintessential classics, two dozen hit singles thatre known worldwide...even the beatles only had less than a dozen albums and songs that are all in just a six yr period.

I'm not the world's biggest Rolling Stones fan, but I think they would also count for that.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rocket on March 28, 2015, 02:05:47 PM
I don't know how unpopular this opinion is, but I'm sure someone will disagree: Brian's best 4 albums are Pet Sounds, SMiLE (either version), Love You, and That Lucky Old Sun. And I do consider Pet Sounds, SMiLE, and Love You all as much solo efforts as That Lucky Old Sun.

As for my reasoning, I think that those 4 albums in particular best represent Brian in all of his different stages and styles. And, for me at least, it's highly likely No Pier Pressure makes it a top 5.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Lowbacca on March 28, 2015, 02:14:17 PM
I don't know how unpopular this opinion is, but I'm sure someone will disagree: Brian's best 4 albums are Pet Sounds, SMiLE (either version), Love You, and That Lucky Old Sun. And I do consider Pet Sounds, SMiLE, and Love You all as much solo efforts as That Lucky Old Sun.

As for my reasoning, I think that those 4 albums in particular best represent Brian in all of his different stages and styles. And, for me at least, it's highly likely No Pier Pressure makes it a top 5.
I always enjoy seeing TLOS named among the more stone-cold BW classics. It was my favourite BW solo record for a long time. TLOS is a potpourri of seasoned and inspired BW music with a theme that was quintessential to everything the man stands for. It will never grow old for me.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rocket on March 28, 2015, 02:22:46 PM
I don't know how unpopular this opinion is, but I'm sure someone will disagree: Brian's best 4 albums are Pet Sounds, SMiLE (either version), Love You, and That Lucky Old Sun. And I do consider Pet Sounds, SMiLE, and Love You all as much solo efforts as That Lucky Old Sun.

As for my reasoning, I think that those 4 albums in particular best represent Brian in all of his different stages and styles. And, for me at least, it's highly likely No Pier Pressure makes it a top 5.
I always enjoy seeing TLOS named among the more stone-cold BW classics. It was my favourite BW solo record for a long time. TLOS is a potpourri of seasoned and inspired BW music with a theme that was quintessential to everything the man stands for. It will never grow old for me.

Glad to see another fan of TLOS! Such an underrated album. The first time I heard it I knew it would be a favorite of mine. There's amazing songwriting all over that record.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Lowbacca on March 28, 2015, 02:39:39 PM
Glad to see another fan of TLOS! Such an underrated album. The first time I heard it I knew it would be a favorite of mine. There's amazing songwriting all over that record.
(http://i.imgur.com/P7vM288.jpg)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rocket on March 28, 2015, 03:51:30 PM
Glad to see another fan of TLOS! Such an underrated album. The first time I heard it I knew it would be a favorite of mine. There's amazing songwriting all over that record.
(http://i.imgur.com/P7vM288.jpg)

Scott!  ;D

Hopefully he and Brian can make another album together one day. He's one of Brian's best collaborators.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: job on April 01, 2015, 03:29:18 PM
Think about this- there isnt a single other group in the past half century with two dozen albums, half of em being quintessential classics, two dozen hit singles thatre known worldwide...even the beatles only had less than a dozen albums and songs that are all in just a six yr period.

I'm not the world's biggest Rolling Stones fan, but I think they would also count for that.

I am and they do.  There is no band that has turned out more consistently high quality releases over now 6 decades.  Who knew they would actually turn out to be The World's Greatest Rock and Roll Band, bar none.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rentatris on April 01, 2015, 03:45:28 PM
I don't know how unpopular this opinion is, but I'm sure someone will disagree: Brian's best 4 albums are Pet Sounds, SMiLE (either version), Love You, and That Lucky Old Sun. And I do consider Pet Sounds, SMiLE, and Love You all as much solo efforts as That Lucky Old Sun.

As for my reasoning, I think that those 4 albums in particular best represent Brian in all of his different stages and styles. And, for me at least, it's highly likely No Pier Pressure makes it a top 5.

 I couldn't agree more! I would add adult/child as my 5th, the talent on display on all these albums is immense.

 I'm not sure if I'm stealing this phrase as I've read so much but I feel the Love You, Adult/Child is like Rembrant drawing stick men. When coupled with his orchestral works it creates such a range.

 


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on April 01, 2015, 04:49:20 PM
The Box Tops version of The Letter cannot be topped. But Cocker's version of WALHFMF is brilliant.
Oh, of course it can. :police: I sure don't hold an old-school 'classic' opinion that "original is always better than any cover". Nope, it isn't. As for "Little Help", I loathe Joe Cocker's voice, thus, anything he sings is mega-bad by default.

Recently heard "Oh Darlin'" with Brian on lead - totes superior than KTSA. It has slight melodic difference on the bridge, which sounds really good. Never much cared for that Carl/Mike/Bruce trio kitsch.

I'm sure in the case of The Letter, I'm not in the minority. That's not to say The Beach Boys cover is bad, in fact it's very good. But you can't top a classic.

In case you were wondering, I don't think the original is necessarily the best in every case. The Stones, The Yardbirds and The Animals all did covers that are generally considered to be superior to the original, and I nearly always prefer covers of Bob Dylan, for I loathe his voice.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on April 02, 2015, 04:11:02 AM
I'm sure in the case of The Letter, I'm not in the minority.
Well, the whole planet could fawn over that version - I wouldn't give a fig.

Quote
That's not to say The Beach Boys cover is bad, in fact it's very good.
"Very good" indeed.

Quote
But you can't top a classic.
Depends.

Quote
The Stones, The Yardbirds and The Animals all did covers that are generally considered to be superior to the original
Again, I don't care what's considered generally. I have very strong opinions on what I like & don't, thus, the Box Tops version is absolute dreck.

Quote
Bob Dylan, for I loathe his voice.
Sign under.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on April 02, 2015, 07:19:27 AM
I'm sure in the case of The Letter, I'm not in the minority.
Well, the whole planet could fawn over that version - I wouldn't give a fig.

Quote
That's not to say The Beach Boys cover is bad, in fact it's very good.
"Very good" indeed.

Quote
But you can't top a classic.
Depends.

Quote
The Stones, The Yardbirds and The Animals all did covers that are generally considered to be superior to the original
Again, I don't care what's considered generally. I have very strong opinions on what I like & don't, thus, the Box Tops version is absolute dreck.

Quote
Bob Dylan, for I loathe his voice.
Sign under.

Okay... well what don't you like about The Box Tops version?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: WesB8302 on April 02, 2015, 07:58:54 AM
After finding a fairly nice copy of it while record shopping this past weekend in Memphis and giving it a couple of listens, M.I.U. isn't a bad album.  It's not Today or Pet Sounds, but it's not bad at all.  I like it better overall than 15 Big Ones, which I also picked up last weekend.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on April 02, 2015, 08:55:46 PM
Okay... well what don't you like about The Box Tops version?
Like everything? There are some "transition" voices that work but Alex had grating voice as a youngin'.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on April 03, 2015, 01:14:39 AM
I actually prefer Alex's rough voice over his later Roger McGuinn impressions.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rentatris on April 03, 2015, 07:20:22 AM
Sweet Insanity should have been released - it's better than Brian's first solo effort.

I prefer BWPS to the released Smile a couple of years ago

Love You and Adult/Child are some of Brian's best work

Sunflower is boring


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: phirnis on April 03, 2015, 07:39:04 AM
...
Love You and Adult/Child are some of Brian's best work
...

Not an unpopular opinion, more like scientific fact.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on April 03, 2015, 07:57:57 AM
Nah, some of Love You and much of Adult Child is garbage.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rentatris on April 03, 2015, 11:03:12 AM
Forever she'll be my surfer girl is better than surfer girl...


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Smelly Smell on April 03, 2015, 08:07:14 PM
My favorite voice of the Beach Boys is Al Jardine.
I was 11 years old in 1981 when I first heard "Come Go With Me" on the radio and I remember I hoped that's what my voice would sound like after it changed.
Always LOVED Al's tone.
"Peggy Sue" and his part on "Strange Things Happen" are among my favorite Beach Boys moments.
And I'm so thankful to have his solo album......A whole album of Al Jardine is something that greatly satisfied my ears.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: job on April 03, 2015, 08:14:32 PM
This.  Except I was 10.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on April 03, 2015, 09:55:47 PM
I actually prefer Alex's rough voice over his later Roger McGuinn impressions.
It's not so much "rough", tho, more like a teen boy trying to sound gritty on purpose. but either way, it sounds bad.

After finding a fairly nice copy of it while record shopping this past weekend in Memphis and giving it a couple of listens, M.I.U. isn't a bad album.  It's not Today or Pet Sounds, but it's not bad at all.  I like it better overall than 15 Big Ones, which I also picked up last weekend.
You & us plenty! If you look around,  there are more MIU fans than LA.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: halblaineisgood on May 22, 2015, 12:29:52 AM
The only hack thing about "Kokomo" is the lyric"Monseratt Mystique". It's really bad. The singing . The whole thing. It's all one art.

I've often said Monseratt Mystique and cried.



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on May 22, 2015, 01:04:55 AM
Here's my unpopular opinion that may get me shot here (and I might have stated it before...if so, I apologize).

I much much MUCH prefer Brian's voice from 1967-1972 to before...and sometimes even his post 1976 voice...and even his current voice. Just a personal preference. It's not knocking the beauty of young Brian's voice, just again a personal preference.

Oh, and much of Orange Crate Art is garbage, especially everything after San Francisco. I like to rag on 'Speed Turtle', but Hold Back Time may be the worst vocal recorded in the history of man. 'My Jeanine' isn't much better, and those fucking lyrics... Apples were her last name? Really?! So, the lady's name is Jeanine Apples?! I may be a Brianista, but Smile aside, I'd much rather have any lyrics besides VDP's.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Loaf on May 22, 2015, 02:12:57 AM
Oh, and much of Orange Crate Art is garbage, especially everything after San Francisco. I like to rag on 'Speed Turtle', but Hold Back Time may be the worst vocal recorded in the history of man. 'My Jeanine' isn't much better, and those fucking lyrics... Apples were her last name? Really?! So, the lady's name is Jeanine Apples?! I may be a Brianista, but Smile aside, I'd much rather have any lyrics besides VDP's.

i love OCA, but it's ruined by the overloaded plasticky production and Brian's shouty vocals.

The OCA version from the IJWMFTT doc is stunning, and VDP's versions of the songs are wonderful.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on May 22, 2015, 03:01:54 AM
The tuning on the title track is horrid...Brian sounds so odd.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: KDS on May 22, 2015, 05:54:48 AM
Here's my unpopular BB opinions: (Please note, these are personal opinions) 

1.  I don't care what anybody says, I think Kokomo is a good song. 

2.  Student Demonstration Time is not nearly as bad as everyone says.  It's well played.  If not for the siren noise, I'd like it a lot. 

3.  Mike Love likes to shoot himself in the foot on seemingly every chance he gets, but he does not deserve the intense level of hate that he gets. 

4.  Brian's Back is a better song than most of the original songs on 15BO / Love You. 

5.  American Family is not that bad of a movie for a made for TV mini series.  In fact, the first half is quite good before they made a buffoon out of Brian. 

6.  Vegatables is a lousy song. 


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on May 22, 2015, 06:37:14 AM
Here's my unpopular opinion that may get me shot here (and I might have stated it before...if so, I apologize).

I much much MUCH prefer Brian's voice from 1967-1972 to before...and sometimes even his post 1976 voice...and even his current voice. Just a personal preference. It's not knocking the beauty of young Brian's voice, just again a personal preference.

Oh, and much of Orange Crate Art is garbage, especially everything after San Francisco. I like to rag on 'Speed Turtle', but Hold Back Time may be the worst vocal recorded in the history of man. 'My Jeanine' isn't much better, and those fucking lyrics... Apples were her last name? Really?! So, the lady's name is Jeanine Apples?! I may be a Brianista, but Smile aside, I'd much rather have any lyrics besides VDP's.
I cannot listen to OCA. Brian was at his absolute worst vocally. I could take 15 Big Ones/Love You Brian, but from 1985 until Imagination, I can't stand listening to his voice. It just grates on me. It is truly amazing how many times his voice changed over the years. I have to say his strongest period was Pet Sounds/Smile era. He had both tone and power that was a wonder to listen to.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: job on May 22, 2015, 09:27:21 AM
Here's my unpopular BB opinions: (Please note, these are personal opinions) 

1.  I don't care what anybody says, I think Kokomo is a good song. 

2.  Student Demonstration Time is not nearly as bad as everyone says.  It's well played.  If not for the siren noise, I'd like it a lot. 

3.  Mike Love likes to shoot himself in the foot on seemingly every chance he gets, but he does not deserve the intense level of hate that he gets. 

4.  Brian's Back is a better song than most of the original songs on 15BO / Love You. 

5.  American Family is not that bad of a movie for a made for TV mini series.  In fact, the first half is quite good before they made a buffoon out of Brian. 

6.  Vegatables is a lousy song. 

Agree 100%


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Cabinessenceking on May 22, 2015, 09:44:46 AM
Here's my unpopular BB opinions: (Please note, these are personal opinions) 

1.  I don't care what anybody says, I think Kokomo is a good song. 

2.  Student Demonstration Time is not nearly as bad as everyone says.  It's well played.  If not for the siren noise, I'd like it a lot. 

3.  Mike Love likes to shoot himself in the foot on seemingly every chance he gets, but he does not deserve the intense level of hate that he gets. 

4.  Brian's Back is a better song than most of the original songs on 15BO / Love You. 

5.  American Family is not that bad of a movie for a made for TV mini series.  In fact, the first half is quite good before they made a buffoon out of Brian. 

6.  Vegatables is a lousy song. 

Agree 100%

Nice ones!

Here´s my killers:
The Friends album is mostly a weak album. Several of the tunes are quite lacking (ana lee, be still (zZzZZzzz), TM (yikes!) and the production value of the songs is really horrible, including the horrid panning of the vocals etc. I prefer the mono over that horrible stereo mix.

Wild Honey has some kick ass songs but the recording of them was utterly hopeless. Darlin hardly rocks even! WH is nothing compared to the live rendition!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RiC on May 22, 2015, 10:22:34 AM
15 Big Ones is one of the best Beach Boys albums and Brian's vocals were best during 75-80.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: srealist on May 22, 2015, 12:38:33 PM
Can't Wait Too Long/Been Way Too Long is not about a woman but about SMiLE.  Same goes for Still I Dream of It and It's Over Now. :)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on May 22, 2015, 01:09:18 PM
15 Big Ones is one of the best Beach Boys albums and Brian's vocals were best during 75-80.

That's not so much an unpopular opinion as sheer madness.  ;D


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: phirnis on May 22, 2015, 01:29:24 PM
15 Big Ones is one of the best Beach Boys albums and Brian's vocals were best during 75-80.

15BO is one of my favorites too. It does have its flaws but it's a record I put on very regularly. Contains some truly brilliant arrangements.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: 1-1-wonderful on May 22, 2015, 02:24:34 PM
I like Student Demonstration Time.

Sloop John B is my favorite song on Pet Sounds.

I don't understand the ire some have for Barbara Ann.

I have no problem with Endless Summer - it's what got me listening to the BBs.

I prefer the album version of help me Rhonda.

I didn't read through the previous postings in this thread and don't care if any of these audacious opinions have been discussed before or if they get me banned.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: KDS on May 23, 2015, 10:11:53 PM
I like Student Demonstration Time.

Sloop John B is my favorite song on Pet Sounds.

I don't understand the ire some have for Barbara Ann.

I have no problem with Endless Summer - it's what got me listening to the BBs.

I prefer the album version of help me Rhonda.

I didn't read through the previous postings in this thread and don't care if any of these audacious opinions have been discussed before or if they get me banned.

Yes, another SDT defender. 

There's a lot of folks who think that Sloop John B doesn't belong on Pet Sounds.   But, can you really picture that album without it??? 

In regards to Barbara Ann.  Every band has that one song that the die hards don't seem to like, but the casual fans love.  (ie Pink Floyd with Money).  Barbara Ann is a decent song, but the Party version is poorly done compared to much of the material from that time.  The live versions kick serious ass though. 


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SurferDownUnder on May 24, 2015, 12:08:06 AM
I like Dennis and his music but he was kinda a douche, he allegedly slept with Brian, Mike's and Al's wives, who does that to their friends/family? Especially considering he could have gotten any poontang he wanted. I know it doesn't fit with his romantic image and I still dig him but you can be a good musician and icon and still be a dick.... Plus I think them kicking him out was sorta justified, you can't just live completely recklessly and expect to have absolutely no consequences. He kinda needed to grow up  :p


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RiC on May 24, 2015, 01:24:04 AM
Sloop John B is the kind of song that works live very well, but I'd rather listen to Hey Little Tomboy on record. It just doesn't do anything for me.

Student Demonstration Time is a pretty good song.

Barbara Ann is irritating, but again, it works live very well.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gohi on May 24, 2015, 05:02:38 AM
No Pier Pressure is not very good at all and it lacks any standout tracks that even the very worst Brian / Beach Boys albums have.  :-\


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Cyncie on May 24, 2015, 10:43:04 AM
I like Dennis and his music but he was kinda a douche, he allegedly slept with Brian, Mike's and Al's wives, who does that to their friends/family? Especially considering he could have gotten any poontang he wanted. I know it doesn't fit with his romantic image and I still dig him but you can be a good musician and icon and still be a dick.... Plus I think them kicking him out was sorta justified, you can't just live completely recklessly and expect to have absolutely no consequences. He kinda needed to grow up  :p

I agree with several of your unpopular points, here. I think Dennis is somewhat romanticized because he died so young and in such a tragic way. And, in all fairness, many people have said that he had a big, caring heart but was just on a fast road to destruction. But, his hedonistic tendencies were a real problem for the band. People often marvel that Brian didn't want him in the band at the start, but why should he? Dennis didn't play an instrument at the time, and he wasn't dependable. I mean, how many bands would keep a second drummer on staff just in case you decided not to show?

His need to feed his appetites led to his sleeping with everyone else's wives, as you point out, and also set him up for an unsavory association with Charles Manson. Another unpopular opinion along those lines:  I can see why the band insisted that  he choose between his solo career and The Beach Boys. I mean, he was barely functioning in the band as it was. How much more erratic would his participation have become if he had the conflicting interest of a solo career?

They say that Dennis loved being in the band more than anyone, and I'm sure that's true;  but being in a band is a job. He wasn't doing his job, from the band's point of view. You can argue the same about Brian in the 70's. Of course, we know the reason is that both Brian and Dennis were seriously dysfunctional at that point and needed professional help. It's too bad that the resources just weren't there. Perhaps things could have ended better.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Douchepool on May 24, 2015, 11:06:55 AM
I think the last name is the reason for the overt romanticism behind Dennis. The dude was an amazing talent but he was human and not perfect. Just like the rest of them.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Cam Mott on May 24, 2015, 12:26:15 PM
I love Carl's voice but I hate the vocal on I Was Made to Love Her.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SamMcK on May 24, 2015, 12:32:26 PM
Carl was still arguably adjusting vocally into 1967 IMO, I Was Made To Love Her is probably one of the few missteps he made during that time. Having said that his vocals on Wild Honey and Darlin' from that album more than make up for that!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Gohi on May 24, 2015, 02:38:16 PM
Carl's vocal on Wild Honey is painful for me to listen to because he is straining so fucking hard.
It sounds as if that song is at the very top of his range and, in fact, I believe Brian confirmed that notion (though I have no link).


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on May 24, 2015, 03:24:41 PM
I don't mind the strained Carl vocals that much. Now, the 'sleepy' voiced Carl from the late 70s? Not my favorite period for sure.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Rentatris on May 24, 2015, 03:43:11 PM
No Pier Pressure is not very good at all and it lacks any standout tracks that even the very worst Brian / Beach Boys albums have.  :-\

No pier Pressure is the worst BW solo album excepting GIOMH released or otherwise.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: kookadams on May 24, 2015, 04:09:14 PM
I actually prefer Alex's rough voice over his later Roger McGuinn impressions.
It's not so much "rough", tho, more like a teen boy trying to sound gritty on purpose. but either way, it sounds bad.

After finding a fairly nice copy of it while record shopping this past weekend in Memphis and giving it a couple of listens, M.I.U. isn't a bad album.  It's not Today or Pet Sounds, but it's not bad at all.  I like it better overall than 15 Big Ones, which I also picked up last weekend.
You & us plenty! If you look around,  there are more MIU fans than LA.
side 1 of MIU ans pitter patter is good rockNroll, add shortenin bread then it overpowers the Light album all the way...shortenin bread is the ONLY rockin.tune on L.A. and I dont get how anyone no matter how big the BB fan could think its even a half good lp, same w ktsa...one or two rockin tunes and the rest MOR-AOR cmon.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SurferDownUnder on May 24, 2015, 05:44:06 PM
Breakaway is the catchiest song they ever made (The version on Made in California is incredible)

Mike's part "Found out it was in my head..." is his greatest piece of vocal ever.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard on May 24, 2015, 05:47:43 PM
Here's mine:

The pre-Today stuff is good, not great. I enjoy listening to the old surf/car songs, but I think they're incredibly dated and tacky. Thats not a slight on the Boys so much as a slight on surf music and even most early 60s pop music in general. I personally much prefer the stuff that bands started churning out around 65 on to 73 or so.

They are not album artists, period. Today, Pet Sounds, Sunflower, Love You and Holland are the only truly great albums they ever finished. There's incredible highlights on other albums, but overall they're very spotty, tend to be too short and post-67 relied on SMiLE scraps even to achieve that.

Surf's Up has its moments, but it's an overall mediocre album and probably the least "cool" album they ever did. Just shows how far times have changed that what used to be the cool Beach Boys LP is probably the most dated.

SMiLE is a two-sided album in which each side is defined by having the same instruments take a prominent role, an overarching theme being built upon song by song, and recurring motifs between the tracks. Not a 3-movement symphony, not a totally by the numbers banded 12 track with nothing special about its structure. It would have been similarly built as Today, except with the distinction between sides 10x more prominent and meaningful. Thats how it would have been progressive and new, not the way BWPS did it, nor the Elements side way proposed by Priore.

Smiley Smile is a work of genius, and time will show it. Already it seems to have grown in stature just the 5 or 6 years since I started following the Beach Boys story intently. It will come to be more and more acclaimed for what it is as the years go by, especially now that SMiLE is finally released. I only didnt list it under their great finished albums because of the inclusion of the singles that ruin the flow. But the other songs, those recorded together under one set of sessions, are an amazingly experimental and cohesive collection of music.

The Beach Boys died with the release of 15 Big Ones. At least as a genuine studio band, I cant speak to their live shows. The act of desperation of taking an unwell man and dragging him into the studio for money, as well as Endless Summer and the touring jukebox showed how far they had sunk, how they ignored the talent right in front of them for the easy money and thus how misguided they were.

BWPS, while a great and very well-deserved personal milestone for the man himself, may be the worst thing that ever happened as far as SMiLE debates go. On the one hand, the sessions never would have been officially released without it. On the other, it cemented what is almost certainly a completely different and IMHO subpar structure as the real thing in many people's eyes. We got SMiLE, but as far as John Q Public is concerned, it's a very different animal to the *real* teenage symphony to god.

As the years and decades go by, SMiLE will be the real lasting legacy of Brian Wilson. Pet Sounds too, but it will be secondary, rather than the other way around as is the case now.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SurferDownUnder on May 24, 2015, 05:56:33 PM
Here's mine:


As the years and decades go by, SMiLE will be the real lasting legacy of Brian Wilson. Pet Sounds too, but it will be secondary, rather than the other way around as is the case now.

See I don't think this is true, in essence we got SMiLE sure but it will always be overshadowed by what it could have/should have/would have been. There is no questions behind Pet Sounds, it is what it is. Pet Sounds is the greatest piece of whole music Brian ever put down and it is hard to question it when put against the mesh-pot that SMiLE became/is. I think Brian Wilson will always be synonymous with the completed Pet Sounds and not the fragmented SMiLE


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on May 24, 2015, 06:59:37 PM

 side 1 of MIU ans pitter patter is good rockNroll, add shortenin bread then it overpowers the Light album all the way...shortenin bread is the ONLY rockin.tune on L.A. and I dont get how anyone no matter how big the BB fan could think its even a half good lp, same w ktsa...one or two rockin tunes and the rest MOR-AOR cmon.

Lots of people - myself included - like MOR and AOR.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on May 24, 2015, 07:06:20 PM
If completed, I doubt Smile would even make my top 5 BB albums list.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Matt Etherton on May 24, 2015, 07:40:20 PM
My unpopular opinions:

1. Endless Summer gave the group a career that otherwise would have dwindled down by the late 70's.
2. Said album was nearly perfect.
3. Kokomo was and is a fantastic hit single.
4. If SMiLE was canceled because of "Mikes additude", than Brian was a wimp.
5. Most everything after Good Vibrations was mediocure, except for about a dozen tracks.
6. Brian can't hit any notes correctly.
7. Stan Love was a good guy.
8. Dennis Wilson was an out of control maniac who wasn't a good guy.
9. Carl Wilson was an a-hole to Brian for many years.
10. Brians melodys without lyrics from Usher/Love/Christiansen would have been largely unheard.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SurferDownUnder on May 24, 2015, 07:46:46 PM
My unpopular opinions:


9. Carl Wilson was an a-hole to Brian for many years.


Gotta say man I take issue with this one, it's your opinion I'll give you that but what are you basing this on?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: kookadams on May 24, 2015, 07:54:46 PM
If the BBs weren't album artists than neither were the beatles or anyone else, so what does that mean???


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: kookadams on May 24, 2015, 08:02:48 PM
The beach boys were/are a rock band, the Light album minus shortenin bread & Ktsa minus the title song and school days are watered down mediocrity, I mean come on! At least MIU has some rockers; no brian.on the ligh album, no dennis on.ktsa...think about it, it was a "light" album as in light fluff, and ktsa geeze. The beach boys were masters of THE album from 63 to 73 then.after that it was all bout the touring and the preservation of nostalgia.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: CM Punky Brewster on May 24, 2015, 09:17:42 PM
My unpopular opinions:

1. Endless Summer gave the group a career that otherwise would have dwindled down by the late 70's.
2. Said album was nearly perfect.
3. Kokomo was and is a fantastic hit single.
4. If SMiLE was canceled because of "Mikes additude", than Brian was a wimp.
5. Most everything after Good Vibrations was mediocure, except for about a dozen tracks.
6. Brian can't hit any notes correctly.
7. Stan Love was a good guy.
8. Dennis Wilson was an out of control maniac who wasn't a good guy.
9. Carl Wilson was an a-hole to Brian for many years.
10. Brians melodys without lyrics from Usher/Love/Christiansen would have been largely unheard.

Mike Love, welcome to the Smiley Smile Board!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard on May 24, 2015, 09:30:59 PM
If the BBs weren't album artists than neither were the beatles or anyone else, so what does that mean???

Their album output largely sucked, thats what it means. When they made great, internally consistent albums it was either because Brian was hard at work with a vision and support or a fluke. Most of their albums are inconsistent quality-wise, very short compared to their contemporaries and reliant on SMiLE material for any kind of WOW factor.

Why is the Beatles everyone's go-to? THERES OTHER BANDS. And that's not true. I'd argue Jimi Hendrix, Pink Floyd, Jefferson Airplane, the Who, the Doors and many others were album artists in that they consistently released great albums with a sense of unity between the songs as well as a certain quality standard among the songs whereas most BB albums to me sound more like a hodgepodge with the exception of those I listed in my original post.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on May 24, 2015, 09:31:46 PM
My unpopular opinions:

1. Endless Summer gave the group a career that otherwise would have dwindled down by the late 70's.
2. Said album was nearly perfect.
3. Kokomo was and is a fantastic hit single.
4. If SMiLE was canceled because of "Mikes additude", than Brian was a wimp.
5. Most everything after Good Vibrations was mediocure, except for about a dozen tracks.
6. Brian can't hit any notes correctly.
7. Stan Love was a good guy.
8. Dennis Wilson was an out of control maniac who wasn't a good guy.
9. Carl Wilson was an a-hole to Brian for many years.
10. Brians melodys without lyrics from Usher/Love/Christiansen would have been largely unheard.

Mike Love, welcome to the Smiley Smile Board!

:lol


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard on May 24, 2015, 09:35:13 PM
Here's mine:


As the years and decades go by, SMiLE will be the real lasting legacy of Brian Wilson. Pet Sounds too, but it will be secondary, rather than the other way around as is the case now.

See I don't think this is true, in essence we got SMiLE sure but it will always be overshadowed by what it could have/should have/would have been. There is no questions behind Pet Sounds, it is what it is. Pet Sounds is the greatest piece of whole music Brian ever put down and it is hard to question it when put against the mesh-pot that SMiLE became/is. I think Brian Wilson will always be synonymous with the completed Pet Sounds and not the fragmented SMiLE

Thats part of the reason I think it will live on in a way Pet Sounds cant. Just the mythos of it, the mystery, how Brian's fall and redemption are tied to its cancellation and BWPS. SMiLE is his music, his story, his take on the world in many ways. Pet Sounds is a masterpiece and a finished one at that, but there's something very tantalizing and haunting about the SMiLE story and music that I think will overshadow it in peoples minds given enough time. Kinda like Mozart's requiem.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Please delete my account on May 25, 2015, 04:00:51 AM
Can't remember if I've posted on this thread yet.

1 Surfin' Safari is a pretty good album, not at all deserving of being consigned with their worst 80s/90s material as it often is.

2 I can't be bothered with new stereo mixes,  live tracks that aren't that different from the studio versions,  alternative takes that don't have significant differences, etc.

3 Concert is their best live album because it has the most unique material and more youthful vigour. None of the tracks on In Concert improve on the originals and some of them desecrate them.

4 Dennis's solo stuff is boring

remember the premise of the thread before taking umbrage!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Cam Mott on May 25, 2015, 04:14:31 AM
Carl's vocal on Wild Honey is painful for me to listen to because he is straining so fucking hard.
It sounds as if that song is at the very top of his range and, in fact, I believe Brian confirmed that notion (though I have no link).

I actually loved Carl's strain on the blue-eyed psych Soul of Wild Honey. In the day, I much preferred WH to GV. I mean I appreciated GV as an achievement of the head but WH was in the gut to me.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on May 25, 2015, 04:34:26 AM
Can't remember if I've posted on this thread yet.

1 Surfin' Safari is a pretty good album, not at all deserving of being consigned with their worst 80s/90s material as it often is.

2 I can't be bothered with new stereo mixes,  live tracks that aren't that different from the studio versions,  alternative takes that don't have significant differences, etc.

3 Concert is their best live album because it has the most unique material and more youthful vigour. None of the tracks on In Concert improve on the originals and some of them desecrate them.

4 Dennis's solo stuff is boring

remember the premise of the thread before taking umbrage!

1 - Disagree, the band were nowhere near ready to cut an album, both material wise and performance wise.
2 - Agree.
3 - Agree that Concert has much unique material in it's choice of covers and I LOVE the performance of Papa Oom Mow Mow. Disagree with the second part of your comment because I think the version of Marcella vastly improves on the studio cut. I'm not a fan of what they did to Help Me Rhonda though.
4- Partially agree. I skip several songs on POB and have never got all the way through the Bambu sessions in one sitting.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Jukka on May 25, 2015, 06:50:17 AM
Runaway Dancer is a great song and closest thing resembling a hit single Brian has written since maybe Do It Again.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on May 25, 2015, 07:32:06 AM
Runaway Dancer is a great song and closest thing resembling a hit single Brian has written since maybe Do It Again.

Yeah if it was 1981.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: clack on May 25, 2015, 07:42:14 AM
Carl Wilson, as a creative artist, was a massive disappointment.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Moon Dawg on May 25, 2015, 07:55:24 AM
My unpopular opinions:

1. Endless Summer gave the group a career that otherwise would have dwindled down by the late 70's.
2. Said album was nearly perfect.
3. Kokomo was and is a fantastic hit single.
4. If SMiLE was canceled because of "Mikes additude", than Brian was a wimp.
5. Most everything after Good Vibrations was mediocure, except for about a dozen tracks.
6. Brian can't hit any notes correctly.
7. Stan Love was a good guy.
8. Dennis Wilson was an out of control maniac who wasn't a good guy.
9. Carl Wilson was an a-hole to Brian for many years.
10. Brians melodys without lyrics from Usher/Love/Christiansen would have been largely unheard.


 #2   Except nobody at Capitol remembered which versions of "Be True to Your School" and "Help Me Rhonda" had been hit singles.
 #8   Shades of gray, shades of gray. Few of us are all good, or all bad.
 #9   Carl did have his own life to live. Yes, he did underestimate Brian's ability to tour behind a PET SOUNDS revival in the 90s.
 #10 More often than not, the music carried the lyrics. Also true on PET SOUNDS.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Douchepool on May 25, 2015, 08:04:42 AM
My unpopular opinions:

1. Endless Summer gave the group a career that otherwise would have dwindled down by the late 70's.
2. Said album was nearly perfect.
3. Kokomo was and is a fantastic hit single.
4. If SMiLE was canceled because of "Mikes additude", than Brian was a wimp.
5. Most everything after Good Vibrations was mediocure, except for about a dozen tracks.
6. Brian can't hit any notes correctly.
7. Stan Love was a good guy.
8. Dennis Wilson was an out of control maniac who wasn't a good guy.
9. Carl Wilson was an a-hole to Brian for many years.
10. Brians melodys without lyrics from Usher/Love/Christiansen would have been largely unheard.

I don't envy the response you'll get for these...


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SIP Mike on May 25, 2015, 08:49:24 AM
My unpopular opinions:

1. Endless Summer gave the group a career that otherwise would have dwindled down by the late 70's.
2. Said album was nearly perfect.
3. Kokomo was and is a fantastic hit single.
4. If SMiLE was canceled because of "Mikes additude", than Brian was a wimp.
5. Most everything after Good Vibrations was mediocure, except for about a dozen tracks.
6. Brian can't hit any notes correctly.
7. Stan Love was a good guy.
8. Dennis Wilson was an out of control maniac who wasn't a good guy.
9. Carl Wilson was an a-hole to Brian for many years.
10. Brians melodys without lyrics from Usher/Love/Christiansen would have been largely unheard.

Post of the week!

 :drunks :beer :pirate :rock :h5 :love :woot :woot :woot


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard on May 25, 2015, 01:19:10 PM
Quote
I know, I spent my 20's with clinical depression, and what a self obsessed little whiner I was. At the time I knew it was illness over which I had no control, but now, looking back, I think that was just excuses. There was plenty I could have done to have snapped out of it. Now I look back and I'm embarrassed, so no. I don't have time for it.

From how you're describing it, no, you seemingly didn't have clinical depression and don't seem to understand how it works at all.

Quote
Did you know, in poor parts of the world there isn't such a thing as clinical depression. People are too busy trying to survive.

Probably due to extremely poor medical care, lack of understanding of mental illness and, above all else, people with mental illness likely don't last nearly as long in those parts for a number of reasons. Lack of understanding and lack of documentation doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Quote
I get your point though, and Brian's illness was far worse than mine. BUT, like mine it was exasperated by drug use, so ultimately he is responsible. I try to retain my pity for people who deserve it, not rich rock stars who have never had to face reality.

Brian hearing voices and having hallucinations was just as likely to happen eventually had he never touched drugs. People go through this sh*t all the time without doing drugs. Ever. Merely existing can often be a total nightmare for them. Attitudes like yours only make things harder for them.

Are you really gonna tell someone with schizophrenia to "get over it" because other people have it worse? It's not a contest, for Christ's sake, and anyone living with mental illness in a non-poor area is likely well aware that others have it worse (which, in turn, can create even more guilt and shame than they already very much feel. Neat!). It doesn't prevent their brain from being broken to some extent. Think about it: who WANTS to be a broken, depressed failure who struggles just to exist? Standing in the kitchen making dinner and suddenly being struck with fear, panic, and loss of control? Sitting down after a long day and suddenly, without warning or reason, being absolutely overwhelmed and exhausted with sadness for no reason? Sounds like a shitty time, to me.

I don't think you'd tell a cancer patient, "Shape up, others have it much worse," so why come after people with genuine mental illness? Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not going on or it's your place to judge if they're genuinely ill or not. Any disease will have its scam artists, plenty of people have faked having cancer to get money, does that mean we should have an attiitude and badger someone anytime they say they have cancer? The situation is the same here.

Hopefully you don't take this as an attack, I just can't get on board with this sort of thinking. It feels very regressive to me, only making the problem worse. Again, it's not a contest of who has it worse, here. You can be horribly, clinically depressed, ill-fit for this world and this life, and still be extremely compassionate toward those less fortunate than you are and appreciate that you have it better than they do and hey, you're lucky to be alive and still have a chance.

 :woot  :woot :woot


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Ovi on May 25, 2015, 01:23:32 PM
My unpopular opinions:

1. Endless Summer gave the group a career that otherwise would have dwindled down by the late 70's.
2. Said album was nearly perfect.
3. Kokomo was and is a fantastic hit single.
4. If SMiLE was canceled because of "Mikes additude", than Brian was a wimp.
5. Most everything after Good Vibrations was mediocure, except for about a dozen tracks.
6. Brian can't hit any notes correctly.
7. Stan Love was a good guy.
8. Dennis Wilson was an out of control maniac who wasn't a good guy.
9. Carl Wilson was an a-hole to Brian for many years.
10. Brians melodys without lyrics from Usher/Love/Christiansen would have been largely unheard.

Almost everything after Good Vibrations is mediocre, but Kokomo is fantastic. Lord help us.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard on May 25, 2015, 01:41:09 PM
I don't really consider Smile to be a psychedelic album.

 :o


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Douchepool on May 25, 2015, 01:48:34 PM
My unpopular opinions:

1. Endless Summer gave the group a career that otherwise would have dwindled down by the late 70's.
2. Said album was nearly perfect.
3. Kokomo was and is a fantastic hit single.
4. If SMiLE was canceled because of "Mikes additude", than Brian was a wimp.
5. Most everything after Good Vibrations was mediocure, except for about a dozen tracks.
6. Brian can't hit any notes correctly.
7. Stan Love was a good guy.
8. Dennis Wilson was an out of control maniac who wasn't a good guy.
9. Carl Wilson was an a-hole to Brian for many years.
10. Brians melodys without lyrics from Usher/Love/Christiansen would have been largely unheard.

Almost everything after Good Vibrations is mediocre, but Kokomo is fantastic. Lord help us.

Hence the thread title. :)


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Peter Reum on May 25, 2015, 01:53:44 PM
Thanks to Mujan for the cool mix of Aquarian Smile.....


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Ovi on May 25, 2015, 01:56:39 PM
My unpopular opinions:

1. Endless Summer gave the group a career that otherwise would have dwindled down by the late 70's.
2. Said album was nearly perfect.
3. Kokomo was and is a fantastic hit single.
4. If SMiLE was canceled because of "Mikes additude", than Brian was a wimp.
5. Most everything after Good Vibrations was mediocure, except for about a dozen tracks.
6. Brian can't hit any notes correctly.
7. Stan Love was a good guy.
8. Dennis Wilson was an out of control maniac who wasn't a good guy.
9. Carl Wilson was an a-hole to Brian for many years.
10. Brians melodys without lyrics from Usher/Love/Christiansen would have been largely unheard.

Almost everything after Good Vibrations is mediocre, but Kokomo is fantastic. Lord help us.

Hence the thread title. :)

Criminal Beach Boys Opinions?  ;D


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Douchepool on May 25, 2015, 02:00:50 PM
Let's not forget the unpopularest (intentional misspelling) of Beach Boys opinions...

"Mike Love is a genius." - Brian Wilson


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: alf wiedersehen on May 25, 2015, 02:23:14 PM
I don't really consider Smile to be a psychedelic album.

 :o

Now that a year and four months have passed, I still don't.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Douchepool on May 25, 2015, 04:23:26 PM
It's not a psychedelic album at all.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 25, 2015, 04:54:28 PM
Nobody knows what it is....


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on May 25, 2015, 05:22:13 PM
It's not a psychedelic album at all.
I have to agree. Now Smiley Smile, that is for sure.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SurferDownUnder on May 25, 2015, 05:29:04 PM
It's not a psychedelic album at all.
I have to agree. Now Smiley Smile, that is for sure.

I concur, I'd call Smile more of a pop-rock opera, a continous themed album


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard on May 25, 2015, 05:31:31 PM
Thanks to Mujan for the cool mix of Aquarian Smile.....

Im flattered. Glad that you enjoyed it, sir.  :)


And guys...IDK what to say. For me, to claim that SMiLE isnt psychedelic is like claiming Sgt Pepper (much as i dislike it) isnt psychedelic. Or Surrealistic Pillow or Axis Bold as Love. To me, SMiLE is one of the pillars, the textbook definition of psychedelic rock. In any case, LSD was the inspiration for it, no denying that.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: kookadams on May 25, 2015, 10:55:12 PM
My unpopular opinions:

1. Endless Summer gave the group a career that otherwise would have dwindled down by the late 70's.
2. Said album was nearly perfect.
3. Kokomo was and is a fantastic hit single.
4. If SMiLE was canceled because of "Mikes additude", than Brian was a wimp.
5. Most everything after Good Vibrations was mediocure, except for about a dozen tracks.
6. Brian can't hit any notes correctly.
7. Stan Love was a good guy.
8. Dennis Wilson was an out of control maniac who wasn't a good guy.
9. Carl Wilson was an a-hole to Brian for many years.
10. Brians melodys without lyrics from Usher/Love/Christiansen would have been largely unheard.

Almost everything after Good Vibrations is mediocre, but Kokomo is fantastic. Lord help us.
yer joking rt? You telling us that smiley smile, wild honey, and sunflower are mediocre???? Those are not only phenomenal but there wasn't a SINGLE other artist/band that was making better music in the late 60s/early 70s; sure CCR was at their peak in 69/70 and three dog night and the shondells were great but NO ONE cranked out killer record after another like the BBs, and anyone knows that!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on May 25, 2015, 11:13:48 PM
My unpopular opinions:

1. Endless Summer gave the group a career that otherwise would have dwindled down by the late 70's.
2. Said album was nearly perfect.
3. Kokomo was and is a fantastic hit single.
4. If SMiLE was canceled because of "Mikes additude", than Brian was a wimp.
5. Most everything after Good Vibrations was mediocure, except for about a dozen tracks.
6. Brian can't hit any notes correctly.
7. Stan Love was a good guy.
8. Dennis Wilson was an out of control maniac who wasn't a good guy.
9. Carl Wilson was an a-hole to Brian for many years.
10. Brians melodys without lyrics from Usher/Love/Christiansen would have been largely unheard.

Almost everything after Good Vibrations is mediocre, but Kokomo is fantastic. Lord help us.
yer joking rt? You telling us that smiley smile, wild honey, and sunflower are mediocre???? Those are not only phenomenal but there wasn't a SINGLE other artist/band that was making better music in the late 60s/early 70s; sure CCR was at their peak in 69/70 and three dog night and the shondells were great but NO ONE cranked out killer record after another like the BBs, and anyone knows that!

I know it's only opinions, but I feel like we're being rickrolled., especially with  5-9.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Please delete my account on May 25, 2015, 11:52:10 PM

And guys...IDK what to say. For me, to claim that SMiLE isnt psychedelic is like claiming Sgt Pepper (much as i dislike it) isnt psychedelic. Or Surrealistic Pillow or Axis Bold as Love. To me, SMiLE is one of the pillars, the textbook definition of psychedelic rock. In any case, LSD was the inspiration for it, no denying that.

I wouldn't say Sgt. Pepper is psychedelic either. Not sure about Axis, don't think I ever heard it.

It all depends on how you define it! If you define it as music inspired by drugs, especially LSD, then it's pretty clear it is. If you define it based on its similarity in sound to other music labelled "psychedelic", however, that's where people differ. I associate psychedelic music (perhaps wrongly, I wasn't there) with swirling guitars, Indian influences, and improvisation, plus a general aura of haziness and heaviness. Smile, though lyrically, conceptually and structurally far-out, is very neat and controlled in its execution, plus more obviously it's not a guitar-heavy album.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard on May 26, 2015, 12:40:34 AM
Despite containing a handful of their best ever songs Smile suffers from too many pointless snippets of old standards and ditties and endless reruns of the same musical motif to even rank in The Beach Boys top 5 albums. Also unless the songs are grouped together in the BWPS format, there is zero thematic value to the lyrics - just Van Dyke in love with his 'intellect'. So much pretentious rubbish has been said/written about what is still in essence a pop album.

I agree that the old standards are by and large pointless. IWBA and Gee add absolutely nothing. I've come to see My Only Sunshine as an oblique expression of loss of faith, but even then they probably could have made a new song to get that idea across if that was their intention. What musical motif? If you mean Bicycle Rider, thats only 2 songs and I doubt H&V and Worms both would have had that on a finished album. That was just a desperate attempt to make the single more commercial by adding a chorus. There's other, better ways to arrange the tracks in a meaningful way than how it was done in BWPS. I disagree 100% about the lyrics and take great offense to that last sentence. I know the point is unpopular opinions but...just sayin' :hat


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard on May 26, 2015, 01:20:04 AM

And guys...IDK what to say. For me, to claim that SMiLE isnt psychedelic is like claiming Sgt Pepper (much as i dislike it) isnt psychedelic. Or Surrealistic Pillow or Axis Bold as Love. To me, SMiLE is one of the pillars, the textbook definition of psychedelic rock. In any case, LSD was the inspiration for it, no denying that.

I wouldn't say Sgt. Pepper is psychedelic either. Not sure about Axis, don't think I ever heard it.

It all depends on how you define it! If you define it as music inspired by drugs, especially LSD, then it's pretty clear it is. If you define it based on its similarity in sound to other music labelled "psychedelic", however, that's where people differ. I associate psychedelic music (perhaps wrongly, I wasn't there) with swirling guitars, Indian influences, and improvisation, plus a general aura of haziness and heaviness. Smile, though lyrically, conceptually and structurally far-out, is very neat and controlled in its execution, plus more obviously it's not a guitar-heavy album.

Really? I mean...as much I may think it's overrated and lackluster, it IS the album that's crediting with heralding in the Summer of Love. It gave us Lucy in the Sky which is synonymous with acid, and Mr Kite which is debatably the most out-there Beatles song (along with Tomorrow Never Knows and I am the Walrus). Psychedelic Rock is a broad term that encompasses a lot of albums. On one side of the spectrum you have the freeform freakouts like Cottonwoodhill, Just a Poke and In the Court of the Crimson King. On the other you have the albums with songs that are standard length but speak of psychedelic themes and/or have their production tricks like Younger Than Yesterday, Pepper and Satanic Majesties. Then there's things like Piper at the Gates of Dawn, After Bathing at Baxters and The United States of America which have elements of each. Somewhere in between you have We're Only In It For The Money, and SMiLE. These are  the unclassifiable mosaics of music, all little ditties and production tricks stitched together in such a way that it resembles a schizophrenic train of thought...or perhaps, a psychedelic mindfuck? Anyway, they're ALL psychedelic rock, just in different "flavors." But just because there's no guitar or indian influences shouldnt discount an album from being classified as such. Ive said many times that The United States of America is probably the most far-out album ever made. There's no way you could say it's anything BUT psychedelic and yet theres no guitar or sitar to be heard on that LP.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Please delete my account on May 26, 2015, 01:52:10 AM
As I said, it depends how you define it. Lots of people would accept and agree with your definition. I wouldn't write in and complain if someone described any record from the sixties onwards as psychedelic, even if it didn't feel that way to me.

I agree that (one of my favourites) the United States of America is psychedelia. And though I didn't mean to imply that "Indian influence" was an essential factor, I do in fact hear Indian influence on "The Garden of Earthly Delights"


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Loaf on May 26, 2015, 02:37:03 AM
I used to be a big Mike Love-hater, but now i'm the opposite, and I hold these unpopular (based on the high levels of hate Mike receives) opinions:

Mike Love saved The Beach Boys.

By extention, he saved Brian's life.

Mike kept the cash flowing, in huge amounts, which allowed Brian to lead the life he has, including costly care bills.

People should be damn grateful for Mike's drive, ambition and work ethic if they have any appreciation for Brian.





Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard on May 26, 2015, 03:28:39 AM
Can't Wait Too Long/Been Way Too Long is not about a woman but about SMiLE.  Same goes for Still I Dream of It and It's Over Now. :)

That's actually a really interesting theory. Maybe on some subconscious level I could see that being true about CWTL. Even the spoken word part by Brian on the session tapes could apply to the SMiLE sessions.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Nicko1234 on May 26, 2015, 03:47:45 AM
Brand New Old Friends is one of the best songs any of the group members worked on after Holland...



Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard on May 26, 2015, 03:51:31 AM
I can see why the band insisted that  he choose between his solo career and The Beach Boys. I mean, he was barely functioning in the band as it was. How much more erratic would his participation have become if he had the conflicting interest of a solo career?

Yeah, but they forced him into that choice, I'd say, when they didnt put very many of his songs on their albums. Instead of pushing Brian into the studio when he obviously wasnt ready, they should have supported Dennis. We might have gotten some really great albums out of it, instead of the schlock that is 15 and the polarizing Love You (which would have worked better as a solo album anyway, I think). Dennis might have even straightened out a bit, if he felt like the band needed and believed in him. As it happens, I can understand his getting frustrated and disillusioned by them and the situation.

And here's another unpopular opinion of mine: the Manson songs should be released. Maybe not officially, but leaked online? I know it will never happen though. Still, just because the man was despicable thats no reason his music shouldnt be heard as a curiosity if nothing else. I totally understand how terrible it would look for the band to actually profit from them though.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on May 26, 2015, 03:58:26 AM
Brand New Old Friends is one of the best songs any of the group members worked on after Holland...
Do you have a Youtube link for this? If not, give the info what's it.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Nicko1234 on May 26, 2015, 04:00:50 AM
Brand New Old Friends is one of the best songs any of the group members worked on after Holland...
Do you have a Youtube link for this? If not, give the info what's it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDXqI8XlnMs


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on May 26, 2015, 04:02:54 AM
Thanks! I'll save it to my comp. Comments later.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mendota Heights on May 26, 2015, 04:10:20 AM
The only ones who can be called Mr. Smile are Brian Wilson and Van Dyke Parks.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard on May 26, 2015, 04:41:43 AM
The only ones who can be called Mr. Smile are Brian Wilson and Van Dyke Parks.

I didnt ask for the title, but now that it has been given to me I will do all I can to live up to it ;D

EDIT: I dont think VDP would deserve the title either. Even he would probably agree with me on that.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SurferDownUnder on May 26, 2015, 05:31:38 AM
Brand New Old Friends is one of the best songs any of the group members worked on after Holland...
Do you have a Youtube link for this? If not, give the info what's it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDXqI8XlnMs

Out of interest, who is on this track?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mendota Heights on May 26, 2015, 06:07:47 AM
The only ones who can be called Mr. Smile are Brian Wilson and Van Dyke Parks.

I didnt ask for the title, but now that it has been given to me I will do all I can to live up to it ;D


You don't live up to it. And since Mikie is banned and therefor no longer a "polite" and "honored" SS member you might wanna change that signature of yours.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard on May 26, 2015, 06:18:32 AM
The only ones who can be called Mr. Smile are Brian Wilson and Van Dyke Parks.

I didnt ask for the title, but now that it has been given to me I will do all I can to live up to it ;D


You don't live up to it. And since Mikie is banned and therefor no longer a "polite" and "honored" SS member you might wanna change that signature of yours.

Frankly Im crushed, sir :'( Just devastated

EDIT: Mikie's banned??


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: wilsonart1 on May 26, 2015, 06:26:44 AM
Go figure! I didn't say Simon Says!


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on May 26, 2015, 07:49:05 AM
The only ones who can be called Mr. Smile are Brian Wilson and Van Dyke Parks.

I didnt ask for the title, but now that it has been given to me I will do all I can to live up to it ;D


You don't live up to it. And since Mikie is banned and therefor no longer a "polite" and "honored" SS member you might wanna change that signature of yours.

Frankly Im crushed, sir :'( Just devastated

EDIT: Mikie's banned??
Wow, news to me too.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Douchepool on May 26, 2015, 07:51:47 AM
Very sad. My partner in crime will be missed. Farewell, Mikie!  :'(


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on May 26, 2015, 07:57:59 AM
Mikie's gone for good? That sucks.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 26, 2015, 08:06:54 AM
The only ones who can be called Mr. Smile are Brian Wilson and Van Dyke Parks.

I didnt ask for the title, but now that it has been given to me I will do all I can to live up to it ;D


You don't live up to it. And since Mikie is banned and therefor no longer a "polite" and "honored" SS member you might wanna change that signature of yours.
Swedish Frog, you are Mr. Pet Sounds.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Joel Goldenberg on May 26, 2015, 10:09:42 AM

#2   Except nobody at Capitol remembered which versions of "Be True to Your School" and "Help Me Rhonda" had been hit singles.
 
In the case of the former, I think it's more Capitol having a bias towards stereo for Endless Summer. A perfect Endless Summer would have been all-mono, IMO.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mendota Heights on May 26, 2015, 10:53:40 AM
If Mike recorded a Christmas album he would call it And Less Summer.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: onkster on May 26, 2015, 11:07:57 AM
I've only been able to listen to NPP twice. I'm a die-hard fan, but the MOR aspect embarrasses me.

I have, however, taken a few choice tracks from that and TWGMTR and made a faux-suite that elevates some of the NPP stuff to tolerability.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on May 26, 2015, 11:19:11 AM
I've only been able to listen to NPP twice. I'm a die-hard fan, but the MOR aspect embarrasses me.

I have, however, taken a few choice tracks from that and TWGMTR and made a faux-suite that elevates some of the NPP stuff to tolerability.
Wow, someone knocking Brian off of his high horse. Well, I'll be God-damned!, as Brian himself would say. ;) Overall, NPP has some of catchiest music that Brian has made in quite some time. Some of the tracks I just can't get out of my head. It would have made a lovely Beach Boys album.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on May 27, 2015, 01:50:08 AM
Very sad. My partner in crime will be missed. Farewell, Mikie!  :'(
You're acting like he died. What e-mails are for? Besides, you can hit up on FB. I mean, we're friends too, I've learned a lot about California from Mikie. But we all know that when you were a mod, you would not give 2nd chance to banned people, f.ex. OSD. So now you're being subjective & show your empathy, that is, think with your heart rather than brains? A bit hypocritical, dontcha find?

Edit: Next time, try not to pretend like being "objective", after that laughable "Bring Back" type of thread. It comes off fanboyish, ha.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Cam Mott on May 27, 2015, 05:36:24 AM
Weren't Carl and Dennis and Brian the catalyst for becoming an oldies band in the late 70s because 15BO and its relative success compared to previous albums?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: ontor pertawst on May 27, 2015, 05:58:04 AM
Yes, it was all totally the Wilson brothers who put a stop to Mike Love's pretentious, avant garde posturing and experimentation. Once he got Bruce to help him do twelve-tone music, the Wilsons had to step in.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Smilin Ed H on May 27, 2015, 06:01:59 AM
Do you never tire of being devil's avocado?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Loaf on May 27, 2015, 06:33:42 AM
Do you never tire of being devil's avocado?

Beetroot to Your School?


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Douchepool on May 27, 2015, 06:42:52 AM
You're acting like he died. What e-mails are for? Besides, you can hit up on FB. I mean, we're friends too, I've learned a lot about California from Mikie. But we all know that when you were a mod, you would not give 2nd chance to banned people, f.ex. OSD. So now you're being subjective & show your empathy, that is, think with your heart rather than brains? A bit hypocritical, dontcha find?

Edit: Next time, try not to pretend like being "objective", after that laughable "Bring Back" type of thread. It comes off fanboyish, ha.

You sound like you're sour about something.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on May 27, 2015, 06:47:39 AM
You told me on message sth. like that it's silly to create Bring/Welcome Back type of threads & now you've done it yourself. I think it's unfair & doesn't fit your former sig "Nope, just objective". You're like all of us, what you say isn't objective.

What's done is done. If the mods said he won't return, then won't. Let's quit complaining & grieving over. The board is still the same. Nothing changed.

Time to move on.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Cam Mott on May 27, 2015, 07:51:03 AM
Yes, it was all totally the Wilson brothers who put a stop to Mike Love's pretentious, avant garde posturing and experimentation. Once he got Bruce to help him do twelve-tone music, the Wilsons had to step in.

Was it Mike's idea to make an oldie album?  15 BOs was very popular.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mike's Beard on May 27, 2015, 08:20:17 AM
Technically it was Brian's idea as the oldies were meant to be warm ups either for an all oldies set or not for release at all if enough good new material could come out of the sessions. As Brian called time saying he was 'done', the band had to cobble together a new album out of the covers and originals.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: kwebb on May 27, 2015, 08:49:28 AM
Quote
Out of interest, who is on this track?

I think Curt Boettcher is the one singing, but the song was written by Bruce Johnston and produced by Curt Boettcher and Gary Usher


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on May 27, 2015, 08:53:45 AM
You told me on message sth. like that it's silly to create Bring/Welcome Back type of threads & now you've done it yourself. I think it's unfair & doesn't fit your former sig "Nope, just objective". You're like all of us, what you say isn't objective.

What's done is done. If the mods said he won't return, then won't. Let's quit complaining & grieving over. The board is still the same. Nothing changed.

Time to move on.
What's that old saying, two wrongs don't make a right? And yes Murry, we'll quit our complaining and grieving over Mikie, now.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on May 27, 2015, 08:55:24 AM
Thanks. Now get back on topic - read above "unpopular opinions". :police:

Btw, I'm not too strong on English sayings, so I've no idea what it is. :police:


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: KDS on May 27, 2015, 09:20:19 AM
Thanks. Now get back on topic - read above "unpopular opinions". :police:

Btw, I'm not too strong on English sayings, so I've no idea what it is. :police:

Basically, refers to opinions that many diehard Beach Boys / Brian Wilson fans will not agree with. 

For example, I think Kokomo is a good song, but most people who tend to post here would not agree. 


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SamMcK on May 27, 2015, 09:35:20 AM
Surfin' Safari isn't a bad album, its just not got a lot of substance to it. Honestly I was listening to it yesterday and its a really fun album, especially Chug-a-lug and Cuckoo Clock!

Before 15 Big Ones I wouldn't say there was a legitimately terrible Beach Boys album. The fact that some of the early albums have some hilariously goofy filler just serves to endear me more to them and make the likes of Today, Pet Sounds, SMiLE and Sunflower all that much better! :smokin


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on May 27, 2015, 09:53:05 AM
I think 15 Big Ones has some of the best backing tracks that Brian Wilson ever produced and/or arranged. He still had "it" when it came to arranging. The selection of oldies could've been better, and the sequencing has a lot to be desired. That being said, I think the main reason why 15 Big Ones is so criticized is because of Brian's, and to a lesser extent Dennis', lead vocals. Those vocals account for a large part of the album. They are just too off-putting for a Beach Boys album which led to in 1976, including from me, a lot of WTF moments. I've come to accept them but I can see how they turned off the casual fan, and probably lost many, too.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SamMcK on May 27, 2015, 10:04:44 AM
Love You has its share of vocals that could be considered awful/off-putting and looking back its a lot more positively viewed. That probably has to do with the fact that its so personal and so extremely mid -70's Brian Wilson that many fans can't help but adore it. The songs on the LP are clearly much more creative and interesting most importantly.

I especially have a soft spot for the likes of Had To Phone Ya and That Same Song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btH-ZPtxiio


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Douchepool on May 27, 2015, 10:12:25 AM
I think 15 Big Ones has some of the best backing tracks that Brian Wilson ever produced and/or arranged. He still had "it" when it came to arranging. The selection of oldies could've been better, and the sequencing has a lot to be desired. That being said, I think the main reason why 15 Big Ones is so criticized is because of Brian's, and to a lesser extent Dennis', lead vocals. Those vocals account for a large part of the album. They are just too off-putting for a Beach Boys album which led to in 1976, including from me, a lot of WTF moments. I've come to accept them but I can see how they turned off the casual fan, and probably lost many, too.

Agreed on the backing tracks. Had to Phone Ya is one of the few Brian tunes that could work solely as an instrumental.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Cam Mott on May 27, 2015, 11:38:11 AM
Technically it was Brian's idea as the oldies were meant to be warm ups either for an all oldies set or not for release at all if enough good new material could come out of the sessions. As Brian called time saying he was 'done', the band had to cobble together a new album out of the covers and originals.

So really it is Brian's fault (and those who supported him) because he was right which was further proven when the following new music albums tanked (regardless of our personal opinions of them).


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: urbanite on May 27, 2015, 12:09:23 PM
I don't recall Dennis' vocals being the problem with 15 BO.  Brian's were a problem, with a bunch of weakly produced tracks.  After Endless Summer and Spirit of America, the fans were looking for something great and they got a medicore record.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: KDS on May 27, 2015, 12:20:47 PM
I don't recall Dennis' vocals being the problem with 15 BO.  Brian's were a problem, with a bunch of weakly produced tracks.  After Endless Summer and Spirit of America, the fans were looking for something great and they got a medicore record.

Putting Brian Wilson in the driver's seat for 15 Big Ones was like putting an quarterback with a broken shoulder into a big game. 


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on May 27, 2015, 12:25:59 PM
I don't recall Dennis' vocals being the problem with 15 BO.  Brian's were a problem, with a bunch of weakly produced tracks.  After Endless Summer and Spirit of America, the fans were looking for something great and they got a medicore record.
Vocally, my biggest issue with 15 Big Ones is that the background vocals are very un-Beach Boy-ish.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: KDS on May 27, 2015, 12:32:47 PM
I don't recall Dennis' vocals being the problem with 15 BO.  Brian's were a problem, with a bunch of weakly produced tracks.  After Endless Summer and Spirit of America, the fans were looking for something great and they got a medicore record.
Vocally, my biggest issue with 15 Big Ones is that the background vocals are very un-Beach Boy-ish.

Also, The Beach Boys doing a cover of In the Still of the Night should have been monumental.  Instead, it was OK at best.  And there are far better versions of Rock and Roll Music. 


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Cabinessenceking on May 27, 2015, 01:13:10 PM
The songs off the Wild Honey album are fantastic when performed live.
The studio versions are really "meh" though, the production value is underwhelming.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: CenturyDeprived on May 27, 2015, 01:39:13 PM
I think 15 Big Ones has some of the best backing tracks that Brian Wilson ever produced and/or arranged. He still had "it" when it came to arranging. The selection of oldies could've been better, and the sequencing has a lot to be desired. That being said, I think the main reason why 15 Big Ones is so criticized is because of Brian's, and to a lesser extent Dennis', lead vocals. Those vocals account for a large part of the album. They are just too off-putting for a Beach Boys album which led to in 1976, including from me, a lot of WTF moments. I've come to accept them but I can see how they turned off the casual fan, and probably lost many, too.

Completely agree.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard on May 27, 2015, 01:57:41 PM
Love You has its share of vocals that could be considered awful/off-putting and looking back its a lot more positively viewed. That probably has to do with the fact that its so personal and so extremely mid -70's Brian Wilson that many fans can't help but adore it. The songs on the LP are clearly much more creative and interesting most importantly.

Right. It's not that it's some amazing masterpiece so much as it's so unapologetically quirky and fresh that makes me love it. It's just Brian being Brian and making music he wanted to make, no trying to create the next Pet Sounds as everyone expected, or relive 1963 as the public wanted. Like Smiley Smile, it took serious balls to release that album and no one but Brian motherfucking Wilson couldve done it. The simplistic, sometimes outright lame lyrics add to the quirky charm and innocence the LP has. The synths DO date it, I'll admit that. I never said it was perfect, but it IS very good. I dont see how anyone can call it overrated when all of maybe 500 people know or really care about it.

I don't recall Dennis' vocals being the problem with 15 BO.  Brian's were a problem, with a bunch of weakly produced tracks.  After Endless Summer and Spirit of America, the fans were looking for something great and they got a medicore record.

Putting Brian Wilson in the driver's seat for 15 Big Ones was like putting an quarterback with a broken shoulder into a big game. 

Excellent way to put it. It was a terrible and insensitive decision and they deserved everything they got afterwards for doing it.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on May 27, 2015, 02:00:13 PM
I don't recall Dennis' vocals being the problem with 15 BO.  Brian's were a problem, with a bunch of weakly produced tracks.  After Endless Summer and Spirit of America, the fans were looking for something great and they got a medicore record.

In my above post, I was specifically referring to Dennis' lead vocal on "In The Still Of The Night". I think as a song selection, "In The Still Of The Night" was acceptable. And, I think Brian did a great arrangement of the song. But, hey, I love Dennis' vocal work on POB and some other BB ballads, but "In The Still Of The Night" was a misstep. I think you have to really, really, really like Dennis to appreciate that vocal.

Coming off Endless Summer/Spirit Of America, I think most fans, whether casual or diehard, were expecting the good ol' Beach Boys' vocals. I lived through it and I played 15 Big Ones for family, friends, co-workers, and casual Beach Boys' fans. Their reactions included, "THAT'S the Beach Boys?" and "THAT'S Brian Wilson?" and for Dennis' lead, "WHO is singing THAT?" The reactions included wincing, maybe shaking of the head, maybe a confused kind of look.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard on May 27, 2015, 02:06:04 PM
I don't recall Dennis' vocals being the problem with 15 BO.  Brian's were a problem, with a bunch of weakly produced tracks.  After Endless Summer and Spirit of America, the fans were looking for something great and they got a medicore record.

In my above post, I was specifically referring to Dennis' lead vocal on "In The Still Of The Night". I think as a song selection, "In The Still Of The Night" was acceptable. And, I think Brian did a great arrangement of the song. But, hey, I love Dennis' vocal work on POB and some other BB ballads, but "In The Still Of The Night" was a misstep. I think you have to really, really, really like Dennis to appreciate that vocal.

Coming off Endless Summer/Spirit Of America, I think most fans, whether casual or diehard, were expecting the good ol' Beach Boys' vocals. I lived through it and I played 15 Big Ones for family, friends, co-workers, and casual Beach Boys' fans. Their reactions included, "THAT'S the Beach Boys?" and "THAT'S Brian Wilson?" and for Dennis' lead, "WHO is singing THAT?" The reactions included wincing, maybe shaking of the head, maybe a confused kind of look.

Hell, just show anyone the cover. It's like sleaze and mildew and the shallow charms of a sociopath all embodied in one grotesque image. The very definition of tacky and ew.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: drbeachboy on May 27, 2015, 02:11:29 PM
I don't recall Dennis' vocals being the problem with 15 BO.  Brian's were a problem, with a bunch of weakly produced tracks.  After Endless Summer and Spirit of America, the fans were looking for something great and they got a medicore record.


In my above post, I was specifically referring to Dennis' lead vocal on "In The Still Of The Night". I think as a song selection, "In The Still Of The Night" was acceptable. And, I think Brian did a great arrangement of the song. But, hey, I love Dennis' vocal work on POB and some other BB ballads, but "In The Still Of The Night" was a misstep. I think you have to really, really, really like Dennis to appreciate that vocal.

Coming off Endless Summer/Spirit Of America, I think most fans, whether casual or diehard, were expecting the good ol' Beach Boys' vocals. I lived through it and I played 15 Big Ones for family, friends, co-workers, and casual Beach Boys' fans. Their reactions included, "THAT'S the Beach Boys?" and "THAT'S Brian Wilson?" and for Dennis' lead, "WHO is singing THAT?" The reactions included wincing, maybe shaking of the head, maybe a confused kind of look.

Hell, just show anyone the cover. It's like sleaze and mildew and the shallow charms of a sociopath all embodied in one grotesque image. The very definition of tacky and ew.
Hell, if Dean had just chosen normal pics of the guys it would have improved the cover dramatically. Dennis' is the only nice pic of the five.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on May 27, 2015, 02:19:12 PM
I don't recall Dennis' vocals being the problem with 15 BO.  Brian's were a problem, with a bunch of weakly produced tracks.  After Endless Summer and Spirit of America, the fans were looking for something great and they got a medicore record.

In my above post, I was specifically referring to Dennis' lead vocal on "In The Still Of The Night". I think as a song selection, "In The Still Of The Night" was acceptable. And, I think Brian did a great arrangement of the song. But, hey, I love Dennis' vocal work on POB and some other BB ballads, but "In The Still Of The Night" was a misstep. I think you have to really, really, really like Dennis to appreciate that vocal.

Coming off Endless Summer/Spirit Of America, I think most fans, whether casual or diehard, were expecting the good ol' Beach Boys' vocals. I lived through it and I played 15 Big Ones for family, friends, co-workers, and casual Beach Boys' fans. Their reactions included, "THAT'S the Beach Boys?" and "THAT'S Brian Wilson?" and for Dennis' lead, "WHO is singing THAT?" The reactions included wincing, maybe shaking of the head, maybe a confused kind of look.

Hell, just show anyone the cover. It's like sleaze and mildew and the shallow charms of a sociopath all embodied in one grotesque image. The very definition of tacky and ew.

I can't defend the album photos; they were terrible. But, you know, 15 Big Ones' art work/packaging was a strong point for me. I liked The Beach Boys' insignia and the 1976 Olympics logo on the front cover. Inside had a nice collage of photos through the years, and the back cover had some extensive credits for each song.

15 Big Ones was a clear sounding record with a lot of music on it; in the age of vinyl/turntables that was important. I actually enjoyed the record very much and I still listen to it more than many other BB albums. But I totally "get" how the vocals could be a big turnoff to those expecting Endless Summer, or, hell, even after hearing "Rock And Roll Music" on the radio.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: Custom Machine on May 27, 2015, 02:30:56 PM
I don't recall Dennis' vocals being the problem with 15 BO.  Brian's were a problem, with a bunch of weakly produced tracks.  After Endless Summer and Spirit of America, the fans were looking for something great and they got a medicore record.

In my above post, I was specifically referring to Dennis' lead vocal on "In The Still Of The Night". I think as a song selection, "In The Still Of The Night" was acceptable. And, I think Brian did a great arrangement of the song. But, hey, I love Dennis' vocal work on POB and some other BB ballads, but "In The Still Of The Night" was a misstep. I think you have to really, really, really like Dennis to appreciate that vocal.

Coming off Endless Summer/Spirit Of America, I think most fans, whether casual or diehard, were expecting the good ol' Beach Boys' vocals. I lived through it and I played 15 Big Ones for family, friends, co-workers, and casual Beach Boys' fans. Their reactions included, "THAT'S the Beach Boys?" and "THAT'S Brian Wilson?" and for Dennis' lead, "WHO is singing THAT?" The reactions included wincing, maybe shaking of the head, maybe a confused kind of look.

I absolutely love Dennis' vocal on In the Still of the Night. The BBs version works extremely well for me in every respect.  Just goes to show that the BBs catalog not only contains a lot of diverse music, but a lot of diverse fan (and non-fan) opinion as well.

But having also eagerly anticipated and lived through the release of !5 BO's, I encountered reactions from other similar to yours.  And the reaction to Love You was dramatically worse.  Mona, my favorite track on Love You, is one that many BB fans are not all that fond of.





Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: SamMcK on May 27, 2015, 03:00:34 PM
I fucking love Johnny Carson. "Who's the man that we admire/Johnny Carson is a real live wire"! That is eccentric genius at its best.


Title: Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
Post by: orange22 on May 27, 2015, 03:19:55 PM
Let's not forget the unpopularest (intentional misspelling) of Beach Boys opinions...

"Mike Love is a genius." - Brian Wilson

Brian Wilson is the only person in the world who could make that statement