New Mike Examiner interview

[Nicko1234]

Well, either:
She goes and doesn't care what Mike gets up to,
She doesn't go and doesn't care what Mike gets up to,
She doesn't go, does care but doesn't know what he gets up to or
He gets up to nothing because he's an old man and the rumours are just that.

We can probably discount the third option at least, and which of the other three options it is is their concern and not ours.

She obviously knew what she was getting when she married Dr. Love so she obviously isn't too bothered.

[SMiLE Brian]

When I watched you walk with him
Tears filled my eyes
And when I heard you talk with him
I couldn't stand his lies

And now before he tries it
I hope you realize it, girl

Let him run wild, he don't care, baby
(Let him run)
Let him run wild, he'll find out, baby
(Let him run)
Let him run, run, run, run wild, baby
Guess you know I waited for you, girl

He'll do the same to other girls
That he did to you
Then one day he'll run in to one
That's gonna hurt him too

So before he makes you over
I'm gonna take you over

Let him run wild, he don't care, baby
(Let him run)
Let him run wild, he'll find out, baby
(Let him run)
Let him run, run, run, run wild, baby
Guess you know I waited for you, girl

All the dreams you shared with him
You might as well forget
I know you need a truer love
And that's what you'll get

And now that you don't need him
Well he can have his freedom

Let him run wild, he don't care, baby
(Let him run)
Let him run wild, he'll find out, baby
(Let him run)
Let him run, run, run, run wild, baby

(Let him run)
Let him run, run, run, run wild, baby
(Let him run)
Let him run, run, run, run wild, baby

[Shady]

Chill pills all round?

+1.  Really wish everyone could be cool with everyone else's opinions, regardless of what you may think of them.  It is possible to respectfully disagree with someone without being insulting.  Everybody here would do well to remember that.

Smile Brian is a good friend of mine on this board and yet I completely disagree with his opinion on The Mike and Bruce Show. You can hold a different viewpoint from someone and still respect what they have to say. Some just can't view a Brianless BB's as anything less than sub par. I'm not bothered because Brian is by far the worst live performer out of the bunch. I think as long as M&B put on a good show then they are doing no harm to the legacy. How many 50+ year old bands are still out there in any configuration? Let Mike continue to fly the flag as he has done. Anytime the they can all put their collective baggage aside as they did for the C50 then let's just treat it for what it was - gravy.

But how do you feel about Mike putting an end to the C50 tour and deciding to return to his version of The Beach Boys.

I can't see how anyone feels that was an ok thing to do.

If this had happened say, only 10 years ago I would have been rather vocal that a permanent reunion would have been worth fighting for, but they're all in their 70's now!!!

Honestly how long do you think they could have possibly kept this thing rolling? Sooner or later I'm certain Brian would have jacked it in. That schedule would have broken him eventually. And then certain camps would have had to face the ugly truth that the world at large doesn't care if The Beach Boys features Al Jardine and David Marks in them or not. As long as it has that guy in the baseball cap up front belting out the classic hits then the Beach Boys brand name will always have market value. Mike knows this.

If in a year or two Brian's serious about getting the guys together for another new album Mike will sign up in a flash, but with the same mindset. An agreed timeframe to work within, a resulting spike in mainstream interest and then back to the day job before the whole thing turns into a chore.

Jeff made it pretty clear that the group had to turn down a bunch of dates because Mike had no interest in them. I don't know how the backstage politics were, maybe the wives got involved, nobody can be certain.

The fact is nobody can deny that Mike took his ball and went home when he felt like it. You can say he "fulfilled his obligations" etc, but the point remains, it's not his band.

[Sheriff John Stone]

Thanks for your responses SMiLE Brian, Nicko1234, and AndrewHickey. I admit that I found it curious if Jackie (spelling?) would be concerned what Brian's "people" could do to Mike but wasn't concerned that Mike would be fu--ing every little honey that passed his way.

[AndrewHickey]

The fact is nobody can deny that Mike took his ball and went home when he felt like it. You can say he "fulfilled his obligations" etc, but the point remains, it's not his band.

It's as much his band as anyone's, arguably more so. Certainly he's the only member who never quit the band at one time or another.
But no, "the Beach Boys" belong to Mike, Al, Brian and Carl's estate -- who have agreed to let Mike do what he's doing.
And whoever owns "the Beach Boys", if Mike doesn't want to tour with the rest of them, why should he?

[AndrewHickey]

Thanks for your responses SMiLE Brian, Nicko1234, and AndrewHickey. I admit that I found it curious if Jackie (spelling?) would be concerned what Brian's "people" could do to Mike but wasn't concerned that Mike would be fu--ing every little honey that passed his way.

Plenty of people have open relationships.

[Dancing Bear]

If Brian had fulfilled his obligations with the C50 tour and then said "Well, I had a great time, but enough is enough. Now I want to dedicate 2013 to the recording of Pleasure Island, my next rock'n'roll album', I doubt anyone in this board would complain that Brian was letting the rest of the Beach Boys and the fans down.

[Shady]

If Brian had fulfilled his obligations with the C50 tour and then said "Well, I had a great time, but enough is enough. Now I want to dedicate 2013 to the recording of Pleasure Island, my next rock'n'roll album', I doubt anyone in this board would complain that Brian was letting the rest of the Beach Boys and the fans down.

Why would anymore care? He's not going around calling himself The Beach Boys

The fact is nobody can deny that Mike took his ball and went home when he felt like it. You can say he "fulfilled his obligations" etc, but the point remains, it's not his band.

It's as much his band as anyone's, arguably more so. Certainly he's the only member who never quit the band at one time or another.
But no, "the Beach Boys" belong to Mike, Al, Brian and Carl's estate -- who have agreed to let Mike do what he's doing.
And whoever owns "the Beach Boys", if Mike doesn't want to tour with the rest of them, why should he?

It's more Mike's band than Brian's? That's pretty crazy logic.

[SMiLE Brian]

Got to agree with Shady here.

[Sheriff John Stone]

The fact is nobody can deny that Mike took his ball and went home when he felt like it. You can say he "fulfilled his obligations" etc, but the point remains, it's not his band.

It's as much his band as anyone's, arguably more so. Certainly he's the only member who never quit the band at one time or another.
But no, "the Beach Boys" belong to Mike, Al, Brian and Carl's estate -- who have agreed to let Mike do what he's doing.
And whoever owns "the Beach Boys", if Mike doesn't want to tour with the rest of them, why should he?

Well, Shady, your post and Andrew's response shows that we have probably moved beyond the point/stage of dwelling on what happened and why it happened. We have exhausted - I think - every possible reason and theory why the five Beach Boys are not together at this time. Taking a page from the Professor's (is there a capital p) book, should we now concentrate on where we, or more importantly, where THEY should go from here? Basically, what are Mike, Brian, Al, and Davis going to do now - if anything?

[hypehat]

Not that I really enjoy talking about Mike unleashing the love....

I know I think Mike is a punk ass bitch but I would have never have suggested that the main reason The BB's did not stay reunited is because he could not bone increasingly insane (let's face it, they'd have to be) women at the shows. You guys must really hate him....

Dancing Bear, you're damn right I'd be annoyed at BW. But I'd also be annoyed at Brian if video was leaked of him proudly showing off his collection of Nazi memorabilia, and we could make up sh*t all day. We're annoyed at Mike for what he has done, not what he could potentially do.

[AndrewHickey]

It's more Mike's band than Brian's? That's pretty crazy logic.

Not really. Brian has, at a generous estimate, toured with the band for ten out of the fifty-one years it's been going, in total. For huge chunks of the last thirty years he's said, publicly and repeatedly, that he wanted nothing to do with the band and didn't care what they did. He even said in an interview a few years back "Mike Love is the Beach Boys now, and I'm Brian Wilson".

Other than a brief period around 1977, Brian has shown essentially no interest in being a Beach Boy since about 1968. Whatever else you want to say about Mike, that's not true of him.

[hypehat]

Mate, he wanted to record a Beach Boys album pretty much the second Dr. Landy was wrenched away from him.

Like, sure, if you want to qualify 'being a Beach Boy' as 'playing live', Brian hasn't been a Beach Boy since 1964. But back then he hated playing live. He's only been into it for a decade and a bit. Now he wants to play live wit The Beach Boys, but oh no, as his mental problems meant he was unable to play live for vast swathes of the bands career, he shouldn't now? You're smarter than this, man.

[SMiLE Brian]

Hell, he is still sad he couldn't sing on Kokomo.

[Shady]

The fact is nobody can deny that Mike took his ball and went home when he felt like it. You can say he "fulfilled his obligations" etc, but the point remains, it's not his band.

It's as much his band as anyone's, arguably more so. Certainly he's the only member who never quit the band at one time or another.
But no, "the Beach Boys" belong to Mike, Al, Brian and Carl's estate -- who have agreed to let Mike do what he's doing.
And whoever owns "the Beach Boys", if Mike doesn't want to tour with the rest of them, why should he?

It's more Mike's band than Brian's? That's pretty crazy logic.

Not really. Brian has, at a generous estimate, toured with the band for ten out of the fifty-one years it's been going, in total. For huge chunks of the last thirty years he's said, publicly and repeatedly, that he wanted nothing to do with the band and didn't care what they did. He even said in an interview a few years back "Mike Love is the Beach Boys now, and I'm Brian Wilson".

Other than a brief period around 1977, Brian has shown essentially no interest in being a Beach Boy since about 1968. Whatever else you want to say about Mike, that's not true of him.

Well, Shady, your post and Andrew's response shows that we have probably moved beyond the point/stage of dwelling on what happened and why it happened. We have exhausted - I think - every possible reason and theory why the five Beach Boys are not together at this time. Taking a page from the Professor's (is there a capital p) book, should we now concentrate on where we, or more importantly, where THEY should go from here? Basically, what are Mike, Brian, Al, and Davis going to do now - if anything?

I'd love that but the future's bleak, even AGD admits that

[SMiLE Brian]

Mike is no saint in his reasons in touring the BBs non-stop since the beginning of time either. Man had to pay for divorces/alimony, liked the easy money, got all the sex he wanted, and fed his ego. The C50 tour was the first time it was about the "music" for Mike in a long time.

[Shady]

It's more Mike's band than Brian's? That's pretty crazy logic.

Not really. Brian has, at a generous estimate, toured with the band for ten out of the fifty-one years it's been going, in total. For huge chunks of the last thirty years he's said, publicly and repeatedly, that he wanted nothing to do with the band and didn't care what they did. He even said in an interview a few years back "Mike Love is the Beach Boys now, and I'm Brian Wilson".

Other than a brief period around 1977, Brian has shown essentially no interest in being a Beach Boy since about 1968. Whatever else you want to say about Mike, that's not true of him.

Brian's always been a Beach Boy at heart. If was the people around him who wanted a solo career.

Just look at the interview where he was obviously devastated that he wasn't included in the recording of Kokomo.

[Dancing Bear]

If Brian had fulfilled his obligations with the C50 tour and then said "Well, I had a great time, but enough is enough. Now I want to dedicate 2013 to the recording of Pleasure Island, my next rock'n'roll album', I doubt anyone in this board would complain that Brian was letting the rest of the Beach Boys and the fans down.

Why would anymore care? He's not going around calling himself The Beach Boys

Oh wait, then if Mike had dropped out and any use of the Beach Boys name discontinued, it would ne alright?

[SMiLE Brian]

If Brian had fulfilled his obligations with the C50 tour and then said "Well, I had a great time, but enough is enough. Now I want to dedicate 2013 to the recording of Pleasure Island, my next rock'n'roll album', I doubt anyone in this board would complain that Brian was letting the rest of the Beach Boys and the fans down.

Why would anymore care? He's not going around calling himself The Beach Boys

Oh wait, then if Mike had dropped out and any use of the Beach Boys name discontinued, it would ne alright?

Thats been one of my main points for a while. Either they all use it or none at all use it.

[Sheriff John Stone]

The fact is nobody can deny that Mike took his ball and went home when he felt like it. You can say he "fulfilled his obligations" etc, but the point remains, it's not his band.

It's as much his band as anyone's, arguably more so. Certainly he's the only member who never quit the band at one time or another.
But no, "the Beach Boys" belong to Mike, Al, Brian and Carl's estate -- who have agreed to let Mike do what he's doing.
And whoever owns "the Beach Boys", if Mike doesn't want to tour with the rest of them, why should he?

It's more Mike's band than Brian's? That's pretty crazy logic.

Not really. Brian has, at a generous estimate, toured with the band for ten out of the fifty-one years it's been going, in total. For huge chunks of the last thirty years he's said, publicly and repeatedly, that he wanted nothing to do with the band and didn't care what they did. He even said in an interview a few years back "Mike Love is the Beach Boys now, and I'm Brian Wilson".

Other than a brief period around 1977, Brian has shown essentially no interest in being a Beach Boy since about 1968. Whatever else you want to say about Mike, that's not true of him.

Well, Shady, your post and Andrew's response shows that we have probably moved beyond the point/stage of dwelling on what happened and why it happened. We have exhausted - I think - every possible reason and theory why the five Beach Boys are not together at this time. Taking a page from the Professor's (is there a capital p) book, should we now concentrate on where we, or more importantly, where THEY should go from here? Basically, what are Mike, Brian, Al, and Davis going to do now - if anything?

I'd love that but the future's bleak, even AGD admits that

I just mean a new thread that focuses on the future of the group (future recording, one-off benefit concert, tour,) instead of rehashing the past (dissolution of C50). Or not...

EDIT: Or....Brian and Al calling for a new vote. How about that Mr. Fung?

[SurfRiderHawaii]

I think Mike and Bruce are simply having a whole lot more fun doing their own thing.  It is what it is, whether some of us like it or not.

[Shady]

If Brian had fulfilled his obligations with the C50 tour and then said "Well, I had a great time, but enough is enough. Now I want to dedicate 2013 to the recording of Pleasure Island, my next rock'n'roll album', I doubt anyone in this board would complain that Brian was letting the rest of the Beach Boys and the fans down.

Why would anymore care? He's not going around calling himself The Beach Boys

Oh wait, then if Mike had dropped out and any use of the Beach Boys name discontinued, it would ne alright?

Nobody would have any reason to complain, bring the name back when the time is right.

[Dancing Bear]

If Brian had fulfilled his obligations with the C50 tour and then said "Well, I had a great time, but enough is enough. Now I want to dedicate 2013 to the recording of Pleasure Island, my next rock'n'roll album', I doubt anyone in this board would complain that Brian was letting the rest of the Beach Boys and the fans down.

Why would anymore care? He's not going around calling himself The Beach Boys

Oh wait, then if Mike had dropped out and any use of the Beach Boys name discontinued, it would ne alright?

Thats been one of my main points for a while. Either they all use it or none at all use it.

Yeah, your points have become clear thousand times a day. I get it, you're not sorry that there won't be more reunion gigs, what pisses you off is that the bad guy got his way in the end. Mike's touring using the Beach Boys name, like he's been doing for 15 years.

[SMiLE Brian]

I think Mike and Bruce are simply having a whole lot more fun doing their own thing.  It is what it is, whether some of us like it or not.

"We're going to have fun,fun, fun until Brian takes the license away"

[Dancing Bear]

If Brian had fulfilled his obligations with the C50 tour and then said "Well, I had a great time, but enough is enough. Now I want to dedicate 2013 to the recording of Pleasure Island, my next rock'n'roll album', I doubt anyone in this board would complain that Brian was letting the rest of the Beach Boys and the fans down.

Why would anymore care? He's not going around calling himself The Beach Boys

Oh wait, then if Mike had dropped out and any use of the Beach Boys name discontinued, it would ne alright?

Nobody would have any reason to complain, bring the name back when the time is right.

Brian, Al and Carl's state would complain.