was Carl known to have done any "hard" drugs? (paging jon)

[dwtherealbb]

Brian (and maybe Dennis also) were known for abusing hard drugs, especially during the 70s. Did Carl do any of that stuff (and by hard I mean cocaine, heroin, speed)? There was a period, if I recall, around Love You/MIU that Carl was thought to be addicted to something (more likely booze).

Lastly, what was it about the Wilson brothers compared to the rest of the group? Al and Mike never really got into that type of stuff, or even soft drugs for that matter (minus Mike's brief pot use in 66-67).

[EgoHanger1966]

Coke for sure. Check out this thread.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?topic=4440.0

[ontor pertawst]

I for one am tired of this whitewashing of history. Al Jardine frequently fumbles lyrics on stage because he's trashed on bath salts and quote can't stop smoking it off tinfoil unquote. Jesus, didn't you guys read that Rolling Stone piece on the tour?

This is why, as we head into the holiday season -- that we all look into our hearts and give generously to the Fund to Keep Al Jardine Clean. Because the next victim... could be you!

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Dalliance with smack in the late 70s as well.

[SMiLE Brian]

I for one am tired of this whitewashing of history. Al Jardine frequently fumbles lyrics on stage because he's trashed on bath salts and quote can't stop smoking it off tinfoil unquote. Jesus, didn't you guys read that Rolling Stone piece on the tour?

This is why, as we head into the holiday season -- that we all look into our hearts and give generously to the Fund to Keep Al Jardine Clean. Because the next victim... could be you!

The loop de loop sessions and drugs involed make the cocaine sessions tame in comparsion.

[ontor pertawst]

At one point, he was reportedly snorting giant lines of wheat germ. Yech.

[petzounds29]

 I think he was smoking sasquatch hair !

[MBE]

Brian (and maybe Dennis also) were known for abusing hard drugs, especially during the 70s. Did Carl do any of that stuff (and by hard I mean cocaine, heroin, speed)? There was a period, if I recall, around Love You/MIU that Carl was thought to be addicted to something (more likely booze).

Lastly, what was it about the Wilson brothers compared to the rest of the group? Al and Mike never really got into that type of stuff, or even soft drugs for that matter (minus Mike's brief pot use in 66-67).

Here is what I gathered. Sources differ but a general picture can be drawn

Brian used speed around Smile, and started coke around late 1968, Carl mentioned he felt Brian became addicted by the So Tough sessions. From 1972-75 and 1977-82 he used hard drugs often including herion at times.

Dennis has been said to have tried herion with Manson once or twice in some stories, in others it wasn't untill new years eve 1977. Cocaine probably started around 1972-73 could be before but I haven't heard anything until then. He got heavy into it by late 1976.

Carl probably got into cocaine around 1970-71  if Jack Rieley is to be trusted. It seems his drug problems were severe by the end of 1976, cocaine and herion. By 1979 he was off the hard stuf. 

Al probably tried pot a few times but beyond that nothing

Mike has said he was into to drinking and pot before TM. As late as 1971 he still did weed though because you can see him take a toke in the Central Park footage.

Bruce cliams to have done nothing.

David had problems with hard drugs for some time I think from the early seventies to mid ninties. on and off.

I just am listing this btw for information purposes. I see no reason to look down on any of them for it.

[The Shift]

I just am listing this btw for information purposes. I see no reason to look down on any of them for it.

Respect those that managed to shake it off and come through in pretty good shape. Even Brian seems to be conquering a good degree of the damage done.

I heard that Al & Bruce used to share a winegum from time to time – they'd keep one in a little Tupperware pot and each take a lick before a gig to get them fired up. They made one wine gum last through the entirety of the 68-72 tours… what a long strange trip that was!

[dwtherealbb]

Lastly, what was it about the Wilson brothers compared to the rest of the group? Al and Mike never really got into that type of stuff, or even soft drugs for that matter (minus Mike's brief pot use in 66-67).

Anyone? Is it possible it was genetic or that it was used to cover up the emotional scars of their father?

[Aum Bop Diddit]

Lastly, what was it about the Wilson brothers compared to the rest of the group? Al and Mike never really got into that type of stuff, or even soft drugs for that matter (minus Mike's brief pot use in 66-67).

Anyone? Is it possible it was genetic or that it was used to cover up the emotional scars of their father?

We're not likely to get into a thoroughly accurate analysis here (or anywhere), but as someone who has some experience and layman's knowledge on this subject it is my opinion that addiction is the result of both nurture and nature as they say.  I cannot quote studies but from what I understand some of us do inherit a biological predisposition.  Add to that a desire to "self-medicate" (in any number of ways -- alcohol, drugs, sex, romance, food, shopping, dissociation and so on) as a result of trauma (which is absolutely what the Wilson brothers experienced) and you have a likely scenario for this type of "sickness."  From there the brain cooperates in creating the addictive pathways.  Breaking the patterns of behavior that are deeply ingrained and still "rewarding" even in the face of horrible consequences is the tough deal in dealing with this problem.

That's a simple take on it and again just my opinion.

[halblaineisgood]

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[dwtherealbb]

Al had a $100 a day cotton habit in the early 70's(and maybe Bruce also). Not hard drugs (HEROIN, Speed, Crack, Blow, Ice) but it was enough to make me wonder what is it with the Wilson brothers that made them??? did it have to do something to do with their genes or their environment or their wealth and their fame(money to afford hard drugs (Heroin, Speed, Cocaine)) or their feelings(pleasant ones, pleasureable ones, unpleasant ones, angry ones etc) the fact that they liked to party,  was it their beliefs or their relationships, was it their musical talent , the fact that they were musicians, or the trivialities of what happened to them from day to day and the fact that they existed, the laws of physics, did these factor in any way as far as contributing to why they did drugs?  What (if any) of the above contributed  to why they infact did do Hard Drugs(and by this I do not mean Mike's brief pot use 66-67) ? (paging Todd )

great imitation.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

We need to keep an eye on Bruce....

I heard through the grapevine that the strain of Obama winning re-election has driven him to consume a record 3 Pacifico's over this past year!

[37!ws]

I'm pretty sure that the infamous "Carl is drunk" concert from 1978 in Australia was actually a product of smack, not drink.

[GuyOnTheBeach]

We need to keep an eye on Bruce....

I heard through the grapevine that the strain of Obama winning re-election has driven him to consume a record 3 Pacifico's over this past year!

Apparently, on the night of the re-election, he was so consumed with rage and disappointment that he got through a whole glass and a half of wine and, remembering his disco remake of "Deirdre" went to his studio to try and work on an updated Dubstep version.
Thankfully, technical difficulties regarding mic placement prevented anything from actually being recorded.

[Quzi]

Question: which Beach Boys song would work best as a dubstep number?!

[dwtherealbb]

Question: which Beach Boys song would work best as a dubstep number?!

anything from Wild Honey.

[SMiLE Brian]

Question: which Beach Boys song would work best as a dubstep number?!

anything from Wild Honey.

Here comes the night....

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

We need to keep an eye on Bruce....

I heard through the grapevine that the strain of Obama winning re-election has driven him to consume a record 3 Pacifico's over this past year!

Apparently, on the night of the re-election, he was so consumed with rage and disappointment that he got through a whole glass and a half of wine and, remembering his disco remake of "Deirdre" went to his studio to try and work on an updated Dubstep version.
Thankfully, technical difficulties regarding mic placement prevented anything from actually being recorded.

We're in luck though! Word is Bruce in Mike are hard at work on a dubstep version of "Deirdre Goes To Kokomo" which should be out in time for X-Mas!

[halblaineisgood]

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[GuyOnTheBeach]

Question: which Beach Boys song would work best as a dubstep number?!

"Johnny Carson", maybe the tag for "Funky Pretty"

We need to keep an eye on Bruce....

I heard through the grapevine that the strain of Obama winning re-election has driven him to consume a record 3 Pacifico's over this past year!

Apparently, on the night of the re-election, he was so consumed with rage and disappointment that he got through a whole glass and a half of wine and, remembering his disco remake of "Deirdre" went to his studio to try and work on an updated Dubstep version.
Thankfully, technical difficulties regarding mic placement prevented anything from actually being recorded.

We're in luck though! Word is Bruce in Mike are hard at work on a dubstep version of "Deirdre Goes To Kokomo" which should be out in time for X-Mas!

Sources say the video is going to be a clip of a whirlpool they found a few miles off the Pacific Coast which is believed to be Dennis spinning in his grave.

[kookadams]

Brian (and maybe Dennis also) were known for abusing hard drugs, especially during the 70s. Did Carl do any of that stuff (and by hard I mean cocaine, heroin, speed)? There was a period, if I recall, around Love You/MIU that Carl was thought to be addicted to something (more likely booze).

Lastly, what was it about the Wilson brothers compared to the rest of the group? Al and Mike never really got into that type of stuff, or even soft drugs for that matter (minus Mike's brief pot use in 66-67).

Here is what I gathered. Sources differ but a general picture can be drawn

Brian used speed around Smile, and started coke around late 1968, Carl mentioned he felt Brian became addicted by the So Tough sessions. From 1972-75 and 1977-82 he used hard drugs often including herion at times.

Dennis has been said to have tried herion with Manson once or twice in some stories, in others it wasn't untill new years eve 1977. Cocaine probably started around 1972-73 could be before but I haven't heard anything until then. He got heavy into it by late 1976.

Carl probably got into cocaine around 1970-71  if Jack Rieley is to be trusted. It seems his drug problems were severe by the end of 1976, cocaine and herion. By 1979 he was off the hard stuf. 

Al probably tried pot a few times but beyond that nothing

Mike has said he was into to drinking and pot before TM. As late as 1971 he still did weed though because you can see him take a toke in the Central Park footage.

Bruce cliams to have done nothing.

David had problems with hard drugs for some time I think from the early seventies to mid ninties. on and off.

I just am listing this btw for information purposes. I see no reason to look down on any of them for it.

When you're a millionaire you can afford all the drugs you want. They got thru it. And may Dennis and Carl RIP. And thank god Brians still here.

[hypehat]

In the drug-free hills of Rishikish, Mike Love (who hid his notorious alcoholism by drinking so much apple juice as to actually get drunk off the fermented fruit) invented PCP after being driven to chemically synthesise his own hair. All PCP in the western world has it's origins from Mike Love's follicles.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]