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AndrewHickey
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Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums
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July 22, 2012, 03:17:05 AM »
Quote from: JanBerryFarm on July 21, 2012, 10:41:49 PM
One "pretty weird" thing that comes to my mind is the lie that Brian was mentally ill.
This is the second most repellent, ignorant thing I've read on this board, after your own claim that Bruce plays bass 'like a spastic'.
Do you have even the slightest idea what level of effort it would take to fake the various symptoms Brian's had over the decades he's had them? You might as well claim that Stephen Hawking has been faking muscular dystrophy for the last forty years because he's too lazy to walk.
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Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums
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Reply #26 on:
July 22, 2012, 09:37:28 AM »
Quote from: JanBerryFarm on July 21, 2012, 10:41:49 PM
Quote from: mabewa on July 21, 2012, 10:26:12 PM
Are they really lies though, or just half-truths? I mean, it does seem clear that Dave didn't sing as much on record as the other guys, and that was probably at least partially at Brian's behest. The Beach Boys did play their own instruments on the early albums, but the studios guys did more and more as time went on--I've never heard the claim that they didn't play at all on their records, just that they didn't do it as much as many other bands. And Brian saying that he destroyed the masters of Smile--Brian has said some pretty weird stuff over the years--my impression is that he hasn't been lying as much as being affected by mental illness. Perhaps he actually thought he had destroyed the Smile master tapes at one time.
Sounds reasonable...
IF you want to redefine a lie as just 'pretty weird stuff'.
One "pretty weird" thing that comes to my mind is the lie that Brian was mentally ill.
Brian is a super intelligent trickster....very good at putting up walls and barriers when he deems them needed. Now he's old, he no longer needs to pretend to be 'crazy'... he just 'gets tired'. The perfect dodge, because it's true.
Tired of acting crazy.
What a stupid, insensitive post. Hang your head in shame.
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Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums
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Reply #27 on:
July 22, 2012, 10:38:45 AM »
Quote from: The Return of the Son of Mike's Beard on July 22, 2012, 09:37:28 AM
Quote from: JanBerryFarm on July 21, 2012, 10:41:49 PM
Quote from: mabewa on July 21, 2012, 10:26:12 PM
Are they really lies though, or just half-truths? I mean, it does seem clear that Dave didn't sing as much on record as the other guys, and that was probably at least partially at Brian's behest. The Beach Boys did play their own instruments on the early albums, but the studios guys did more and more as time went on--I've never heard the claim that they didn't play at all on their records, just that they didn't do it as much as many other bands. And Brian saying that he destroyed the masters of Smile--Brian has said some pretty weird stuff over the years--my impression is that he hasn't been lying as much as being affected by mental illness. Perhaps he actually thought he had destroyed the Smile master tapes at one time.
Sounds reasonable...
IF you want to redefine a lie as just 'pretty weird stuff'.
One "pretty weird" thing that comes to my mind is the lie that Brian was mentally ill.
Brian is a super intelligent trickster....very good at putting up walls and barriers when he deems them needed. Now he's old, he no longer needs to pretend to be 'crazy'... he just 'gets tired'. The perfect dodge, because it's true.
Tired of acting crazy.
What a stupid, insensitive post. Hang your head in shame.
It's not, and I won't.
Well, maybe,
if
you change your insensitive 'name' and hateful Mike Love bashing stance.
I'm saying Brian Wilson is intelligent and not a sicko. If you object, then
you
are saying he's dumb and mentally ill.
So who's insensitive?
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SMiLE Brian
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Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums
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Reply #28 on:
July 22, 2012, 10:55:05 AM »
Quote from: JanBerryFarm on July 22, 2012, 10:38:45 AM
Quote from: The Return of the Son of Mike's Beard on July 22, 2012, 09:37:28 AM
Quote from: JanBerryFarm on July 21, 2012, 10:41:49 PM
Quote from: mabewa on July 21, 2012, 10:26:12 PM
Are they really lies though, or just half-truths? I mean, it does seem clear that Dave didn't sing as much on record as the other guys, and that was probably at least partially at Brian's behest. The Beach Boys did play their own instruments on the early albums, but the studios guys did more and more as time went on--I've never heard the claim that they didn't play at all on their records, just that they didn't do it as much as many other bands. And Brian saying that he destroyed the masters of Smile--Brian has said some pretty weird stuff over the years--my impression is that he hasn't been lying as much as being affected by mental illness. Perhaps he actually thought he had destroyed the Smile master tapes at one time.
Sounds reasonable...
IF you want to redefine a lie as just 'pretty weird stuff'.
One "pretty weird" thing that comes to my mind is the lie that Brian was mentally ill.
Brian is a super intelligent trickster....very good at putting up walls and barriers when he deems them needed. Now he's old, he no longer needs to pretend to be 'crazy'... he just 'gets tired'. The perfect dodge, because it's true.
Tired of acting crazy.
What a stupid, insensitive post. Hang your head in shame.
It's not, and I won't.
Well, maybe,
if
you change your insensitive 'name' and hateful Mike Love bashing stance.
I'm saying Brian Wilson is intelligent and not a sicko. If you object, then
you
are saying he's dumb and metally ill.
So who's insensitive?
Ask Brian to his face if he is faking his mental illness.
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Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums
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Reply #29 on:
July 22, 2012, 11:54:49 AM »
Quote from: JanBerryFarm on July 22, 2012, 10:38:45 AM
Quote from: The Return of the Son of Mike's Beard on July 22, 2012, 09:37:28 AM
Quote from: JanBerryFarm on July 21, 2012, 10:41:49 PM
Quote from: mabewa on July 21, 2012, 10:26:12 PM
Are they really lies though, or just half-truths? I mean, it does seem clear that Dave didn't sing as much on record as the other guys, and that was probably at least partially at Brian's behest. The Beach Boys did play their own instruments on the early albums, but the studios guys did more and more as time went on--I've never heard the claim that they didn't play at all on their records, just that they didn't do it as much as many other bands. And Brian saying that he destroyed the masters of Smile--Brian has said some pretty weird stuff over the years--my impression is that he hasn't been lying as much as being affected by mental illness. Perhaps he actually thought he had destroyed the Smile master tapes at one time.
Sounds reasonable...
IF you want to redefine a lie as just 'pretty weird stuff'.
One "pretty weird" thing that comes to my mind is the lie that Brian was mentally ill.
Brian is a super intelligent trickster....very good at putting up walls and barriers when he deems them needed. Now he's old, he no longer needs to pretend to be 'crazy'... he just 'gets tired'. The perfect dodge, because it's true.
Tired of acting crazy.
What a stupid, insensitive post. Hang your head in shame.
It's not, and I won't.
Well, maybe,
if
you change your insensitive 'name' and hateful Mike Love bashing stance.
I'm saying Brian Wilson is intelligent and not a sicko. If you object, then
you
are saying he's dumb and metally ill.
So who's insensitive?
Well that's easy - you.
You've just dug yourself in deeper by lumping in the terms "sicko" and "dumb" with metally (sic) ill.
And lastly, do please explain how my username is insensitive and hateful towards Mike Love?
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Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums
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Reply #30 on:
July 22, 2012, 12:00:57 PM »
Quote from: SMiLE Brian on July 22, 2012, 10:55:05 AM
Quote from: JanBerryFarm on July 22, 2012, 10:38:45 AM
Quote from: The Return of the Son of Mike's Beard on July 22, 2012, 09:37:28 AM
Quote from: JanBerryFarm on July 21, 2012, 10:41:49 PM
Quote from: mabewa on July 21, 2012, 10:26:12 PM
Are they really lies though, or just half-truths? I mean, it does seem clear that Dave didn't sing as much on record as the other guys, and that was probably at least partially at Brian's behest. The Beach Boys did play their own instruments on the early albums, but the studios guys did more and more as time went on--I've never heard the claim that they didn't play at all on their records, just that they didn't do it as much as many other bands. And Brian saying that he destroyed the masters of Smile--Brian has said some pretty weird stuff over the years--my impression is that he hasn't been lying as much as being affected by mental illness. Perhaps he actually thought he had destroyed the Smile master tapes at one time.
Sounds reasonable...
IF you want to redefine a lie as just 'pretty weird stuff'.
One "pretty weird" thing that comes to my mind is the lie that Brian was mentally ill.
Brian is a super intelligent trickster....very good at putting up walls and barriers when he deems them needed. Now he's old, he no longer needs to pretend to be 'crazy'... he just 'gets tired'. The perfect dodge, because it's true.
Tired of acting crazy.
What a stupid, insensitive post. Hang your head in shame.
It's not, and I won't.
Well, maybe,
if
you change your insensitive 'name' and hateful Mike Love bashing stance.
I'm saying Brian Wilson is intelligent and not a sicko. If you object, then
you
are saying he's dumb and metally ill.
So who's insensitive?
Ask Brian to his face if he is faking his mental illness.
Asking Brian something like
you
suggest would be a certain sign of mental illness.
I guess it really depends on how you define mentally ill.
It's for sure that he's maladjusted. But so are many people leading everyday lives.
Does taking medication define mental illness?
IF so, then half the freakin' nation is mentally ill. Actually, now that I think about it, that's absolutely true.
Ok, you win. Brian and half the nation is mentally ill. They're just not as intelligent as he is.
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Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums
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July 22, 2012, 02:28:13 PM »
Quote from: JanBerryFarm on July 22, 2012, 12:00:57 PM
Quote from: SMiLE Brian on July 22, 2012, 10:55:05 AM
Quote from: JanBerryFarm on July 22, 2012, 10:38:45 AM
Quote from: The Return of the Son of Mike's Beard on July 22, 2012, 09:37:28 AM
Quote from: JanBerryFarm on July 21, 2012, 10:41:49 PM
Quote from: mabewa on July 21, 2012, 10:26:12 PM
Are they really lies though, or just half-truths? I mean, it does seem clear that Dave didn't sing as much on record as the other guys, and that was probably at least partially at Brian's behest. The Beach Boys did play their own instruments on the early albums, but the studios guys did more and more as time went on--I've never heard the claim that they didn't play at all on their records, just that they didn't do it as much as many other bands. And Brian saying that he destroyed the masters of Smile--Brian has said some pretty weird stuff over the years--my impression is that he hasn't been lying as much as being affected by mental illness. Perhaps he actually thought he had destroyed the Smile master tapes at one time.
Sounds reasonable...
IF you want to redefine a lie as just 'pretty weird stuff'.
One "pretty weird" thing that comes to my mind is the lie that Brian was mentally ill.
Brian is a super intelligent trickster....very good at putting up walls and barriers when he deems them needed. Now he's old, he no longer needs to pretend to be 'crazy'... he just 'gets tired'. The perfect dodge, because it's true.
Tired of acting crazy.
What a stupid, insensitive post. Hang your head in shame.
It's not, and I won't.
Well, maybe,
if
you change your insensitive 'name' and hateful Mike Love bashing stance.
I'm saying Brian Wilson is intelligent and not a sicko. If you object, then
you
are saying he's dumb and metally ill.
So who's insensitive?
Ask Brian to his face if he is faking his mental illness.
Asking Brian something like
you
suggest would be a certain sign of mental illness.
I guess it really depends on how you define mentally ill.
It's for sure that he's maladjusted. But so are many people leading everyday lives.
Does taking medication define mental illness?
IF so, then half the freakin' nation is mentally ill. Actually, now that I think about it, that's absolutely true.
Ok, you win. Brian and half the nation is mentally ill. They're just not as intelligent as he is.
You are denying conditions that change the lives of millions of people and make them work harder than you will ever will to be decent human beings. Brian Wilson has struggled and fought through most of his life with his illness, to be creating great albums like TWGMTR is a testiment to his fight and the people helping him in his battle.
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Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums
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July 22, 2012, 03:43:03 PM »
Brian hears voices in his head. If that`s not a sign of mental illness, than I don`t know what is.
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Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums
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July 22, 2012, 04:36:11 PM »
Quote from: Alex on July 22, 2012, 03:43:03 PM
Brian hears voices in his head. If that`s not a sign of mental illness, than I don`t know what is.
I hear voices in my head. Am I mentally ill?
I experience hunger too, does that mean I'm starving?
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Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums
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July 22, 2012, 05:12:10 PM »
Quote from: JanBerryFarm on July 22, 2012, 04:36:11 PM
I hear voices in my head. Am I mentally ill?
If you put it this way - yes, you probably are.
The extent of the symptom varies, and you may be able to live with it (without any troubles), but it nevertheless is a sign of illness.
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Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums
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July 22, 2012, 06:01:12 PM »
Quote from: Lowbacca on July 22, 2012, 05:12:10 PM
Quote from: JanBerryFarm on July 22, 2012, 04:36:11 PM
I hear voices in my head. Am I mentally ill?
If you put it this way - yes, you probably are.
The extent of the symptom varies, and you may be able to live with it (without any troubles), but it nevertheless is a sign of illness.
For me, it's a sign of being alive.
But, enough already. I already gave in.
What more do you want? My personal collection of Beach Boy coffee mugs?
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Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums
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July 22, 2012, 06:13:06 PM »
Quote from: JanBerryFarm on July 22, 2012, 06:01:12 PM
For me, it's a sign of being alive.
Being ill (of any condition) and being alive are not mutually exclusive, of course.
Whether somebody in the realms of the netherworld might be able to hear voices would have to be discussed. It might not be a conclusive proof of 'being alive' after all.
Made me think of E.A. Poe's
The Facts in the Case of M. Valdemar
.
Quote from: JanBerryFarm on July 22, 2012, 06:01:12 PM
What more do you want? My personal collection of Beach Boy coffee mugs?
I don't eben have a single BBs coffee mug...
Now I'm kind of ashamed of having a
Let It Be
mug on my desk right next to me.
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Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums
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I have a Beach Boys belt buckle around here somewhere, along with a Caribou Ranch drink coaster in the shape of a horseshoe...
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Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums
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Quote from: adamghost on July 23, 2012, 12:53:44 AM
I have a Beach Boys belt buckle around here somewhere, along with a Caribou Ranch drink coaster in the shape of a horseshoe...
What do ya mean, "around here somewhere"?
I'd be wearin' it everywhere, everyday if I had one (the belt buckle)
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As I stated earlier, it's all in how you define mental illness. Brian was diagnosed with Bipolar disorder, which seems to be fairly common, and is also more often than not genetic in origin...and is also aggrivated by recreational drug use. (ring any bells?)
If we're going to call Brian mentally ill, then I suggest that we also start refering to these notable persons who 'suffer' from Bipolar disorder the same way.
It's all a matter of perspective.
Also worth noting a few stats...for U.S. citizenry.
Total number of people with Bipolar disorder - 5.7 MILLION
Total percentage of people wtih Bipolar disorder - 5%
List of people with bipolar disorder -
A
Rigoberto Alpizar
Ryan G. Anderson
Sophie Anderton
Adam Ant
James Hamilton, 3rd Earl of Arran
Disappearance of Iraena Asher
David Attias
Emilie Autumn
B
Maria Bamford
Sid Barnes
Charles Baudelaire
Shelley Beattie
Bruce Beaver
Thomas Lovell Beddoes
Ludwig van Beethoven
Andy Behrman
Max Bemis
Maurice Benard
Edward Benson (bishop)
Mary Kay Bergman
Coenraad van Beuningen
Guillaume Cornelis van Beverloo
Isabella Blow
Ludwig Boltzmann
Graham Bond
Brian Bonsall
Adrian Borland
Paul Boyd (animator)
Dutch Boyd
L. Brent Bozell, Jr.
Russell Brand
Andrea Breth
Jeremy Brett
Don Briscoe
Bobby Brown
Theo Wade Brown
Junie Browning
Frank Bruno
Barney Bubbles
John Buchanan (American politician)
Geoff Bullock
Elbridge Ayer Burbank
C
Northern Calloway
Robert Calvert
Cosmo Campoli
Georg Cantor
James Carr (musician)
Quincy Carter
Jack Cassidy
Dick Cavett
Iris Chang
Akio Chiba
Rosemary Clooney
Kurt Cobain
Cole Resource Center
Neil Cole (politician)
Patricia Cornwell
Robert S. Corrington
Michael Costa (politician)
Sean Costello
William Cotton (missionary)
Vincent Crane
Jim Craven
D
Disco D
Murray Deaker
Swadesh Deepak
D cont.
Terry Jess Dennis
Mark D. Devlin
Gaetano Donizetti
Mike Doughty
Charmaine Dragun
Richard Dreyfuss
Patty Duke
Tericka Dye
E
Richey Edwards
Mark Eustice
F
Freda du Faur
Wild Man Fischer
Carrie Fisher
F. Scott Fitzgerald
Larry Flynt
Connie Francis
Stephen Fry
Justin Furstenfeld
G
J. R. Gach
Charly García
Alan Garner
Terry Garrity
Paul Gascoigne
Kaye Gibbons
Margaret Gibson (writer)
Mel Gibson
Matthew Good
Jay Gould
Phil Graham
David Granirer
Macy Gray
Graham Greene
Henry Grimes
Ivor Gurney
Letitia Gwynne
H
Linda Hamilton
Darrell Hammond
Robert Hansen
Naveed Afzal Haq
Anthony Hardy
Moss Hart
Mariette Hartley
Alex Hartman
Doug Harvey (ice hockey)
Henrik Havas
Jonathan Hay (footballer)
Peter Hayes (lawyer)
Gregory Hemingway
Drewe Henley
Abbie Hoffman
Marya Hornbacher
Emily Horne
Byron Houston
Brotha Lynch Hung
Julian Huxley
Phyllis Hyman
I
Ike Ibeabuchi
Jack Irons
J
Kay Redfield Jamison
Adam Jasinski
Andrew Johns
Daniel Johnston
Benn Jordan
Helmi Juvonen
K
Sarah Kane
Kerry Katona
Patrick J. Kennedy
K cont.
Kerli
Joseph Kibweteere
Margot Kidder
Morio Kita
Otto Klemperer
John Konrads
Patrick K. Kroupa
L
Debra Lafave
Mary Lamb
Larry Lea
Vivien Leigh
Steve Lieberman
Mary Todd Lincoln
Arthur Lipsett
Joshua Logan
Bernard Loiseau
Earl Long
Demi Lovato
Ris Low
M
Arthur McIntyre (artist)
Kristy McNichol
William Marrufo
Emily Martin (anthropologist)
J. James Marzilli, Jr.
Gavin Maxwell
Chris McKinstry
Burgess Meredith
Edward Mezvinsky
Eric Millegan
Kate Millett
Spike Milligan
Stanley Mitchell
Ben Moody
Charles Mount
John A. Mulheren
Robert Munsch
N
Hisayasu Nagata
O
Graeme Obree
Phil Ochs
Sinéad O'Connor
Bill Oddie
Johnny O'Keefe
Craig Owens (entertainer)
P
Nicola Pagett
Emma Parker Bowles
Jaco Pastorius
Jane Pauley
Ota Pavel
Jimmy Piersall
Derrick Plourde
John William Polidori
Odean Pope
Gail Porter
Emil Leon Post
Heinz Prechter
Charley Pride
Mary Priestley
R
Gabriele Rabel
Dee Dee Ramone
Cornelia Rau
Randy Revelle
James Rhodes (pianist)
Clarence Richeson
Rebecca Riley
Lynn N. Rivers
Rene Rivkin
R
Barret Robbins
Chris Robinson (writer)
Svend Robinson
Mark Rogowski
Michael Roof
Axl Rose
S
Sascha Altman DuBrul
Paul Sharits
Athole Shearer
Sidney Sheldon
Nina Simone
Frank Sinatra
Michael Slater
Tony Slattery
Tim Smith (rugby league)
Phil Spector
Alonzo Spellman
Michelangelo Spensieri
Nancy Spungen
Peter Steele
David Strickland
Michael Strunge
S cont.
Poly Styrene
Screaming Lord Sutch
Stuart Sutherland
Larry Sweeney
Roger Sylvester
T
Davinia Taylor
Mackenzie Taylor
Ari Telch
A. S. J. Tessimond
Abbott Handerson Thayer
Ron Thompson
Gene Tierney
Timo Tolkki
Devin Townsend
Nick Traina
Timothy Treadwell
Margaret Trudeau
Patrick Tuohy
Mike Tyson
U
Dimitrius Underwood
V
Luna Vachon
Jean-Claude Van Damme
V cont.
Vincent van Gogh's health
Townes Van Zandt
Joseph Vásquez
Mark Vonnegut
W
Sol Wachtler
Ayelet Waldman
Richard Wallace (scientist)
Mika Waltari
Scott Weiland
Mikey Welsh
Pete Wentz
Norman Wexler
Mark Whitacre
Brian Wilson
Amy Winehouse
Jonathan Winters
Virginia Woolf
James Wright (poet)
Luther Wright
Y
Bert Yancey
Z
Catherine Zeta-Jones
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Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums
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Quote from: JanBerryFarm on July 23, 2012, 11:15:18 AM
As I stated earlier, it's all in how you define mental illness. Brian was diagnosed with Bipolar disorder, which seems to be fairly common, and is also more often than not genetic in origin...and is also aggrivated by recreational drug use. (ring any bells?)
If we're going to call Brian mentally ill, then I suggest that we also start refering to these notable persons who 'suffer' from Bipolar disorder the same way.
It's all a matter of perspective.
Yes, if those people suffer or have suffered from bipolar disorder, they are or were mentally ill. They have a mental illness. That's what being mentally ill means. In fact, just from the ones whose biographies I'm familiar with, I see many people on that list whose lives have been utterly devastated by mental illness.
So your point is?
Oh, I forgot, you don't have one, you're just a troll.
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Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums
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Quote from: AndrewHickey on July 23, 2012, 11:23:19 AM
Quote from: JanBerryFarm on July 23, 2012, 11:15:18 AM
As I stated earlier, it's all in how you define mental illness. Brian was diagnosed with Bipolar disorder, which seems to be fairly common, and is also more often than not genetic in origin...and is also aggrivated by recreational drug use. (ring any bells?)
If we're going to call Brian mentally ill, then I suggest that we also start refering to these notable persons who 'suffer' from Bipolar disorder the same way.
It's all a matter of perspective.
Yes, if those people suffer or have suffered from bipolar disorder, they are or were mentally ill. They have a mental illness.
That's what being mentally ill means.
In fact, just from the ones whose biographies I'm familiar with, I see many people on that list whose lives have been utterly devastated by mental illness.
So your point is?
Oh, I forgot, you don't have one, you're just a troll.
Hmm, yes.
Exactly
what I intended to post just now...
P.S.
Might it be possible that we are totally off-topic?
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Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums
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I'm not part of this discussion.
On topic of Dave: I have been listening to his solo album, I think about you often, and comparing the guitar parts to TWGMTR; it becomes clear that you can recognize his style on several parts of the BB album, such as the bright rhythm accompaniment to the title track, to Spring vacation, and also the plaintive wailing in Summer's Gone. In fact many of Dave's parts sound like his same old parts from Surfin' Safari and Surfer Girl; I can't describe it, as many of you can, I trust, but it's a driving punk, Ramones-style 8th-note plucking.
Anyone can help more with this?
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Quote from: the professor on July 23, 2012, 11:34:59 AM
I'm not part of this discussion.
On topic of Dave: I have been listening to his solo album, I think about you often, and comparing the guitar parts to TWGMTR; it becomes clear that you can recognize his style on several parts of the BB album, such as the bright rhythm accompaniment to the title track, to Spring vacation, and also the plaintive wailing in Summer's Gone. In fact many of Dave's parts sound like his same old parts from Surfin' Safari and Surfer Girl; I can't describe it, as many of you can, I trust, but it's a driving punk, Ramones-style 8th-note plucking.
Anyone can help more with this?
I share your impression(s), but I as well am not able to describe it any better.
Those Marks-sounding bits on TWGMTR don't necessarily have to have been recorded by David Marks, though.
EDIT: Well, obviously not 'recorded' by him at all, but performed and stuff.. you know what I mean.
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July 23, 2012, 07:16:10 PM »
I don't see why they'd go to the trouble of NOT crediting him on the vocals, and then crediting him on guitar if he didn't play.
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July 24, 2012, 02:51:40 AM »
Quote from: adamghost on July 23, 2012, 07:16:10 PM
I don't see why they'd go to the trouble of NOT crediting him on the vocals, and then crediting him on guitar if he didn't play.
I think crediting a
f*ckin' Beach Boy
on a BBs LP for doing something he didn't do is much more understandable than NOT crediting him for something he DID do.
Either way, god only knows what Dave really did on those tracks...
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I won't take up too much time, but JanBerryFarm - you're a sorry excuse for a human being.
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Wow. So I searched for this topic to figure out if that is indeed Dave that sings the main vocal part (the first part of the Unsurpassed Masters tracks) and while the consensus seems to be that it is, the thread derailed into a ridiculous fight about mental illness before we got a definitive answer.
So...on topic...? Dave does the main part in the verses and Carl sings the high part? I'm not talking about Mike's lines (obviously) but the song's primary vocal.
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Quote from: JanBerryFarm on July 23, 2012, 11:15:18 AM
As I stated earlier, it's all in how you define mental illness. Brian was diagnosed with Bipolar disorder, which seems to be fairly common, and is also more often than not genetic in origin...and is also aggrivated by recreational drug use. (ring any bells?)
If we're going to call Brian mentally ill, then I suggest that we also start refering to these notable persons who 'suffer' from Bipolar disorder the same way.
It's all a matter of perspective.
Also worth noting a few stats...for U.S. citizenry.
Total number of people with Bipolar disorder - 5.7 MILLION
Total percentage of people wtih Bipolar disorder - 5%
List of people with bipolar disorder -
A
Rigoberto Alpizar
Ryan G. Anderson
Sophie Anderton
Adam Ant
James Hamilton, 3rd Earl of Arran
Disappearance of Iraena Asher
David Attias
Emilie Autumn
B
Maria Bamford
Sid Barnes
Charles Baudelaire
Shelley Beattie
Bruce Beaver
Thomas Lovell Beddoes
Ludwig van Beethoven
Andy Behrman
Max Bemis
Maurice Benard
Edward Benson (bishop)
Mary Kay Bergman
Coenraad van Beuningen
Guillaume Cornelis van Beverloo
Isabella Blow
Ludwig Boltzmann
Graham Bond
Brian Bonsall
Adrian Borland
Paul Boyd (animator)
Dutch Boyd
L. Brent Bozell, Jr.
Russell Brand
Andrea Breth
Jeremy Brett
Don Briscoe
Bobby Brown
Theo Wade Brown
Junie Browning
Frank Bruno
Barney Bubbles
John Buchanan (American politician)
Geoff Bullock
Elbridge Ayer Burbank
C
Northern Calloway
Robert Calvert
Cosmo Campoli
Georg Cantor
James Carr (musician)
Quincy Carter
Jack Cassidy
Dick Cavett
Iris Chang
Akio Chiba
Rosemary Clooney
Kurt Cobain
Cole Resource Center
Neil Cole (politician)
Patricia Cornwell
Robert S. Corrington
Michael Costa (politician)
Sean Costello
William Cotton (missionary)
Vincent Crane
Jim Craven
D
Disco D
Murray Deaker
Swadesh Deepak
D cont.
Terry Jess Dennis
Mark D. Devlin
Gaetano Donizetti
Mike Doughty
Charmaine Dragun
Richard Dreyfuss
Patty Duke
Tericka Dye
E
Richey Edwards
Mark Eustice
F
Freda du Faur
Wild Man Fischer
Carrie Fisher
F. Scott Fitzgerald
Larry Flynt
Connie Francis
Stephen Fry
Justin Furstenfeld
G
J. R. Gach
Charly García
Alan Garner
Terry Garrity
Paul Gascoigne
Kaye Gibbons
Margaret Gibson (writer)
Mel Gibson
Matthew Good
Jay Gould
Phil Graham
David Granirer
Macy Gray
Graham Greene
Henry Grimes
Ivor Gurney
Letitia Gwynne
H
Linda Hamilton
Darrell Hammond
Robert Hansen
Naveed Afzal Haq
Anthony Hardy
Moss Hart
Mariette Hartley
Alex Hartman
Doug Harvey (ice hockey)
Henrik Havas
Jonathan Hay (footballer)
Peter Hayes (lawyer)
Gregory Hemingway
Drewe Henley
Abbie Hoffman
Marya Hornbacher
Emily Horne
Byron Houston
Brotha Lynch Hung
Julian Huxley
Phyllis Hyman
I
Ike Ibeabuchi
Jack Irons
J
Kay Redfield Jamison
Adam Jasinski
Andrew Johns
Daniel Johnston
Benn Jordan
Helmi Juvonen
K
Sarah Kane
Kerry Katona
Patrick J. Kennedy
K cont.
Kerli
Joseph Kibweteere
Margot Kidder
Morio Kita
Otto Klemperer
John Konrads
Patrick K. Kroupa
L
Debra Lafave
Mary Lamb
Larry Lea
Vivien Leigh
Steve Lieberman
Mary Todd Lincoln
Arthur Lipsett
Joshua Logan
Bernard Loiseau
Earl Long
Demi Lovato
Ris Low
M
Arthur McIntyre (artist)
Kristy McNichol
William Marrufo
Emily Martin (anthropologist)
J. James Marzilli, Jr.
Gavin Maxwell
Chris McKinstry
Burgess Meredith
Edward Mezvinsky
Eric Millegan
Kate Millett
Spike Milligan
Stanley Mitchell
Ben Moody
Charles Mount
John A. Mulheren
Robert Munsch
N
Hisayasu Nagata
O
Graeme Obree
Phil Ochs
Sinéad O'Connor
Bill Oddie
Johnny O'Keefe
Craig Owens (entertainer)
P
Nicola Pagett
Emma Parker Bowles
Jaco Pastorius
Jane Pauley
Ota Pavel
Jimmy Piersall
Derrick Plourde
John William Polidori
Odean Pope
Gail Porter
Emil Leon Post
Heinz Prechter
Charley Pride
Mary Priestley
R
Gabriele Rabel
Dee Dee Ramone
Cornelia Rau
Randy Revelle
James Rhodes (pianist)
Clarence Richeson
Rebecca Riley
Lynn N. Rivers
Rene Rivkin
R
Barret Robbins
Chris Robinson (writer)
Svend Robinson
Mark Rogowski
Michael Roof
Axl Rose
S
Sascha Altman DuBrul
Paul Sharits
Athole Shearer
Sidney Sheldon
Nina Simone
Frank Sinatra
Michael Slater
Tony Slattery
Tim Smith (rugby league)
Phil Spector
Alonzo Spellman
Michelangelo Spensieri
Nancy Spungen
Peter Steele
David Strickland
Michael Strunge
S cont.
Poly Styrene
Screaming Lord Sutch
Stuart Sutherland
Larry Sweeney
Roger Sylvester
T
Davinia Taylor
Mackenzie Taylor
Ari Telch
A. S. J. Tessimond
Abbott Handerson Thayer
Ron Thompson
Gene Tierney
Timo Tolkki
Devin Townsend
Nick Traina
Timothy Treadwell
Margaret Trudeau
Patrick Tuohy
Mike Tyson
U
Dimitrius Underwood
V
Luna Vachon
Jean-Claude Van Damme
V cont.
Vincent van Gogh's health
Townes Van Zandt
Joseph Vásquez
Mark Vonnegut
W
Sol Wachtler
Ayelet Waldman
Richard Wallace (scientist)
Mika Waltari
Scott Weiland
Mikey Welsh
Pete Wentz
Norman Wexler
Mark Whitacre
Brian Wilson
Amy Winehouse
Jonathan Winters
Virginia Woolf
James Wright (poet)
Luther Wright
Y
Bert Yancey
Z
Catherine Zeta-Jones
I'm certain Ray Davies of the Kinks has Bipolar. Syd Barrett may have had it, but we'll never know.
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Quote from: Phoenix on September 23, 2013, 12:44:46 AM
So...on topic...?
I guess not.
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