Go to Man vs Clown for Stephan Love's most recent comments.

[oldsurferdude]

This is without a doubt one of the stupidest threads I've ever had the displeasure of reading with the lion's share of the posts done by (of course) two of the biggest trolls on this board.

Yeah, well you're sittin' here reading it so what's with that? Don't like it, don't read it.

              Troll=anyone who presents a Myke Luhv opinion that THE REAL BEACH BOY( ) doesn't agree with.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

He makes a good point!

But if OSD falls over in the forest and no one's around to hear it: does OSD even exist?

[I. Spaceman]

A troll is whoever a moderator decides is a troll. I'm surprised baiting them is allowed here.

[send me a picture and i'll tell you]

Just stopping by to post a picture of me and Looking Back with Love, taken the day I got it in the mail after purchasing it on ebay, 6 years ago.

I haven't been that happy in a long time.

Yours is bigger than mine, and in this case, that ain't necessarily a good thing:

[ontor pertawst]

Wow, that's pure class.

For some reason it makes me want to glue that label to an NES cartridge. Edit some sprites, rescore the deet doot music and you have...



(You realize, of course - that I'm a hair trigger away from making a fake commercial for this.)

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Don't stop with a fake commercial! Make the whole damn game!!!! 

[ontor pertawst]

If the sprite tables weren't so obnoxious, I'd probably do it! A horrible 8bit fuzzy California Girls loop OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. If you finally beat the game, it just flashes CATCH A WAVE!!! and starts over from the beginning. Endlessly limited replay value for all ages.

[Mike's Beard]

This would make a great game! Might I suggest a few level ideas?

1/ A Super Mario style platform level, where Mike has to make it to the Courthouse on time so he can file his latest lawsuit against Brian, overcoming various obstacles and enemies along the way.

2/ A Rockstar type level, where Mike is on stage and you have to press the correct button combinations to make him chickendance. Make too many mistakes and the crowd will boo you or worse, leave to go see a Brian solo show instead.

3/ A Paperboy type level where Mike is crusin' aound LA in his convertable, throwing copies of every unsold SIP and Looking Back with Love album at shops, record stations, passersby etc... in a vain attempt to convert them into fans. Bonus points given for running over Van Dyke Parks as he is crossing the road.

4/ A Streetfighter II level where Mike has to take on Dennis in a brutal fight to the death.

Only 4 levels is not much value for your buck so I'd welcome anymore ideas from other posters.

[Dove Nested Towers]

The truth lies somewhere between the two extremes being proffered here, and my opinion of him is evolving somewhat. Love's heartfelt comments at the Grammy Museum event were telling, and illuminated the multifaceted nature of his relationship with the group as a whole. He is a ham, which enables him to be comfortable onstage and entertaining, which the audience mostly enjoys, even if many also find his antics smarmy and annoyingly cutesy (the drawn-out opening to Be True to Your School? Insufferable IMO)

 He has also shaped and pushed the band toward his desired, mostly lightweight image relentlessly over the years, away from the progressive direction that the Wilson brothers were fighting for throughout most of the '70s, only reluctantly ceding a degree of hegemony to Brian and Al on the setlist, with these concessions wrested from his iron fist with great effort. He obviously is at least somewhat fond of the deeper cuts, as shown by his reactions to CA Saga's performances and his willing participation in the more serious work during the late '60s- early '70s  (with the exception of most of SMiLE, which he admires but is loathe to give too much credit to because doing so would be admitting both that it was beyond him lyrically and that he made a bad call by playing a significant role in creating a negative environment around the recording of it, two things he is not able to publicly acknowledge), but he is determined to give them as close to an obligatory role in the current tour as he can get away with (witness "It's O.K."s inclusion, a mediocre track at best but fitting his vision of the band's ideal, more commercial image).

There is an element of reactionary revisionism in the relatively recent, almost wholesale embrace of him by many, but some rehabilitation of his image is deserved, reluctant as I am to award it to the main Clean Liver (nothing wrong with that in and of itself, unless it inhibits creativity and progressive songwriting) who, along with Bruce and a now remorseful Al Jardine, steered the band towards becoming a nostalgia act in the mid-to-late '70s and thereafter.

I gotta also ask: based upon the above quote: as a fan, do you stop at say, say Friends or Sunflower and beyond when it was clearly not just Brian using tools to achieve greatness? Is there a point when you give it up for the other guys as valid artists in their own right even if the output run contrary to your personal tastes? I'm just trying to understand certain points of view which continue to throw me.

I certainly give ML credit as an artist. Believe it or not, I think I see him quite clearly in the totality of who he is. To the extent that he shaped the band's identity contrary to "my personal tastes" (which many share BTW) and away from a more creative direction, and has been a factor in thwarting their full artistic flowering, he is a frustrating figure, but I certainly acknowledge his vital role in the group and see the improbably triumphant and healing aspect of what's going on in these times for the band and their offspring, and fully celebrate that. Why does everything have to be so all or nothing, black or white?

[startBBtoday]

I'm highly sceptical that all [or even any] of the people claiming to be posting there are really the people they claim to be. However, I do have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale- cheap - that might interest some of you.

If someone was going to pretend to be another person posting on a comment section of a website, I think they'd probably pick someone a little more famous than Ambha Love, Stephen Love or Adrian Baker.


People can be a bit more skeptical than necessary on here sometimes. Ambha Love isn't exactly a household name. I'd say its far more unlikely that a pathetic person would pretend to be one of those people, than any one of those completely normal, non-famous people would be posting on that website defending themselves or Mike Love.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

This would make a great game! Might I suggest a few level ideas?

1/ A Super Mario style platform level, where Mike has to make it to the Courthouse on time so he can file his latest lawsuit against Brian, overcoming various obstacles and enemies along the way.

2/ A Rockstar type level, where Mike is on stage and you have to press the correct button combinations to make him chickendance. Make too many mistakes and the crowd will boo you or worse, leave to go see a Brian solo show instead.

3/ A Paperboy type level where Mike is crusin' aound LA in his convertable, throwing copies of every unsold SIP and Looking Back with Love album at shops, record stations, passersby etc... in a vain attempt to convert them into fans. Bonus points given for running over Van Dyke Parks as he is crossing the road.

4/ A Streetfighter II level where Mike has to take on Dennis in a brutal fight to the death.

Only 4 levels is not much value for your buck so I'd welcome anymore ideas from other posters.

It could be kinda like Lounge Lizard Larry where there would be a level where you're Mike gallivanting around his island paradise. As you troll around the landscape style (think Zelda 1) playing field, Mike can dart into Club Kokomo and suddenly a nintendo-style version of She's Got Rhythm will come on as you try and navigating Mike toward various girls to dance with before she leaves with the other guy. The trick would be breaking away, buying the girl and drink and getting the drink back to her before the villainous swain  takes her home!

And then the Mike character could also duck into a roller skating rink where........

[GhostyTMRS]

Alright, I'll bite. Two questions:

1. What is Man vs Clown? I went to the site and it appears to be some guy's blog about random things ( Star Trek, telemarketers, etc.) How would Adrian Baker, Stephen Love and Ambah Love all know about it and why would they hang out on it? It doesn't seem any different than any other person's blog.

2. Furthermore, why would the aforementioned "friends of the Love Doctor" all make a point to sign their names at the end of their posts?

Not for nothing, but I know a guy who kept the members of a Beatles message board hyperventilating for two years because he had everyone convinced he was Neil Aspinall and it was fairly easy to pull off.

[Cam Mott]

I'm highly sceptical that all [or even any] of the people claiming to be posting there are really the people they claim to be. However, I do have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale- cheap - that might interest some of you.

If someone was going to pretend to be another person posting on a comment section of a website, I think they'd probably pick someone a little more famous than Ambha Love, Stephen Love or Adrian Baker.


People can be a bit more skeptical than necessary on here sometimes. Ambha Love isn't exactly a household name. I'd say its far more unlikely that a pathetic person would pretend to be one of those people, than any one of those completely normal, non-famous people would be posting on that website defending themselves or Mike Love.

To me it is exactly the names the impersonating self-ordained "expert" would choose. Obscure enough to satisfy their "experty" ego and fringe enough to seem like reality randomness.

[Mike's Beard]

This would make a great game! Might I suggest a few level ideas?

1/ A Super Mario style platform level, where Mike has to make it to the Courthouse on time so he can file his latest lawsuit against Brian, overcoming various obstacles and enemies along the way.

2/ A Rockstar type level, where Mike is on stage and you have to press the correct button combinations to make him chickendance. Make too many mistakes and the crowd will boo you or worse, leave to go see a Brian solo show instead.

3/ A Paperboy type level where Mike is crusin' aound LA in his convertable, throwing copies of every unsold SIP and Looking Back with Love album at shops, record stations, passersby etc... in a vain attempt to convert them into fans. Bonus points given for running over Van Dyke Parks as he is crossing the road.

4/ A Streetfighter II level where Mike has to take on Dennis in a brutal fight to the death.

Only 4 levels is not much value for your buck so I'd welcome anymore ideas from other posters.

It could be kinda like Lounge Lizard Larry where there would be a level where you're Mike gallivanting around his island paradise. As you troll around the landscape style (think Zelda 1) playing field, Mike can dart into Club Kokomo and suddenly a nintendo-style version of She's Got Rhythm will come on as you try and navigating Mike toward various girls to dance with before she leaves with the other guy. The trick would be breaking away, buying the girl and drink and getting the drink back to her before the villainous swain  takes her home!

And then the Mike character could also duck into a roller skating rink where........

I've just come to the conclusion that I would pay good money for a cd's worth of 1980's nintendo-style Beach Boys tunes.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Kind of strange how a bunch of people "in the know" have popped out of the woodwork in the past couple months. Lorren Daro, Ray Lawlor, now Steve Love.

You can remove the quote marks from Ray - he is who he says he is and he knows that he says he knows.

Not unlike me, come to think of it.  

[GhostyTMRS]

I'm highly sceptical that all [or even any] of the people claiming to be posting there are really the people they claim to be. However, I do have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale- cheap - that might interest some of you.

If someone was going to pretend to be another person posting on a comment section of a website, I think they'd probably pick someone a little more famous than Ambha Love, Stephen Love or Adrian Baker.


People can be a bit more skeptical than necessary on here sometimes. Ambha Love isn't exactly a household name. I'd say its far more unlikely that a pathetic person would pretend to be one of those people, than any one of those completely normal, non-famous people would be posting on that website defending themselves or Mike Love.

To me it is exactly the names the impersonating self-ordained "expert" would choose. Obscure enough to satisfy their "experty" ego and fringe enough to seem like reality randomness.

It would be like if I found some guy's blog bout the TV show "Flipper" and left a comment like "I loved that show. It was so sweet. It used to make me cry." and signed it Brian Wilson. 

[Autotune]

Alright, I'll bite. Two questions:

1. What is Man vs Clown? I went to the site and it appears to be some guy's blog about random things ( Star Trek, telemarketers, etc.) How would Adrian Baker, Stephen Love and Ambah Love all know about it and why would they hang out on it? It doesn't seem any different than any other person's blog.

2. Furthermore, why would the aforementioned "friends of the Love Doctor" all make a point to sign their names at the end of their posts?

Not for nothing, but I know a guy who kept the members of a Beatles message board hyperventilating for two years because he had everyone convinced he was Neil Aspinall and it was fairly easy to pull off.

You, Sir, sound right to me.

I believe oldsurferdude is who he says he is, though.

[KittyKat]

It would be a bit disturbing for some middle-aged guy to pretend to be Ahmba Love, though not impossible, I suppose.  Just creepy.  The blog writer said he got tons of hits from various Mike Love searches.  Some blogs allow the authors to not only see how many hits, but what type of searches resulted in hits.  So, it could be Ahmba, Steven, and Adrian Baker were trolling for info on the 'net using Mike as a search term and wanted to put in their two cents.   It could be them or at least some of them are who they say they are.  Is it true that Jackie Love is part African-American as Ahmba or "Ahmba" said?  I never knew that.  It's slightly interesting, if true.  It also makes me feel a little bad for Ahmba if she really does Google her dad and have to read things like fans who say they'd like to meet her dad and kick him in the testicles until he vomited (one of the posters on the blog) or some of the super-nasty, threatening things said about him on YouTube video comments.

[Autotune]

It would be a bit disturbing for some middle-aged guy to pretend to be Ahmba Love, though not impossible, I suppose.  Just creepy.  The blog writer said he got tons of hits from various Mike Love searches.  Some blogs allow the authors to not only see how many hits, but what type of searches resulted in hits.  So, it could be Ahmba, Steven, and Adrian Baker were trolling for info on the 'net using Mike as a search term and wanted to put in their two cents.   It could be them or at least some of them are who they say they are.  Is it true that Jackie Love is part African-American as Ahmba or "Ahmba" said?  I never knew that.  It's slightly interesting, if true.  It also makes me feel a little bad for Ahmba if she really does Google her dad and have to read things like fans who say they'd like to meet her dad and kick him in the testicles until he vomited (one of the posters on the blog) or some of the super-nasty, threatening things said about him on YouTube video comments.

You know, Jackie's dad is black. Mike said so in the Howard Stern interview of 1992 (he said "black"). So maybe it is Ambha. Who knows. She claims to be 15 years old in 2006, but I hear that she's still in high school. That'd be odd. Besides, there's been plenty of hateful threads on this very board and she has never posted here that I know of (which would make more sense given that this is a fan community and the Clown blog is an idiots community).

It'd be strange, though, for someone like Baker, who people keep talking about on this board to not post here. Same thing for Steve Love. Steve is not much talked about, but his era is.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

She claims to be 15 years old in 2006

No, she doesn't.

[KittyKat]

She claims to be 15 years old in 2006

No, she doesn't.

Ahmba's posts were made in 2011, so 15 would be about right for her age.  Stephen Love's posts were just this week.  The original blog post was in 2006, but it's been attracting comments for years, and the blog master posted a follow-up post, in which he talked about the thousands of blog hits he got for his original entry.  That second post had the comment from someone claiming to be Adrian Baker, who said Jackie Love may have been behind his firing.

BTW, Stephen posted again on that original post just yesterday. He says that he's sorry to see Brian "forced" to be on stage.  He also posted Rocky Pamplin's supposed e-mail address and said Rocky welcomes hearing from fans.  Weird!

[SMiLE Brian]

Who wants to send a Rocky a email telling him how he was an asshole to the BBs in the 1970s.

[Autotune]

She claims to be 15 years old in 2006

No, she doesn't.

Ahmba's posts were made in 2011, so 15 would be about right for her age.  Stephen Love's posts were just this week.  The original blog post was in 2006, but it's been attracting comments for years, and the blog master posted a follow-up post, in which he talked about the thousands of blog hits he got for his original entry.  That second post had the comment from someone claiming to be Adrian Baker, who said Jackie Love may have been behind his firing.

BTW, Stephen posted again on that original post just yesterday. He says that he's sorry to see Brian "forced" to be on stage.  He also posted Rocky Pamplin's supposed e-mail address and said Rocky welcomes hearing from fans.  Weird!

your, Sir, are right! I misremembered Ambha's post as having been written the year of the original post by the blogger.

Why would Steve post Rocky's email? It is beyond bizarre and makes the whole deal lose credibility.

[Doo Dah]

The drama of this band's history is the gift that keeps on giving. Let the ladies have "The Bold and the Beautiful". I've got the Beach Boys!

[Jason]

The drama of this band's history is the gift that keeps on giving. Let the ladies have "The Bold and the Beautiful". I've got the Beach Boys!

"I've got the Beach Boys, and you chicks got the Bold and the Beautiful..."

Weezer FTW!